Why are people getting banned... by Atdit March 11, 2015 at 7:03 PM UTC

Because TS is players to come together when playing Avicus. If you banned of Avicus, your banned of TeamSpeak as well.

I think you shouldn't be banned from TS. Most mods always say that if your appeal email got no answer after resending it we should contact a sr mod or higher directly over skype. What if we don't have skype ? The person should still be able to get on the TS and atleast be able to text a sr mod.

This server provides the players a team-speak server so people who play avicus can communicate to other members.

What would be the point of letting banned users join team-speak as they can't play in-game. Just imagine you join a random mine-craft team-speak server to find that majority of the people who join that ts server are banned. It seems pretty silly right? We allow temp-bans to by-bass this because eventually they will be back on the server. This rule mainly goes towards permanently banned users.

If said player were to appeal. they would be un-banned from ts as-well.

This server provides the players a team-speak server so people who play avicus can communicate to other members.

What would be the point of letting banned users join team-speak as they can't play in-game. Just imagine you join a random mine-craft team-speak server to find that majority of the people who join that ts server are banned. It seems pretty silly right? We allow temp-bans to by-bass this because eventually they will be back on the server. This rule mainly goes towards permanently banned users.

If said player were to appeal. they would be un-banned from ts as-well.

Because TS is players to come together when playing Avicus. If you banned of Avicus, your banned of TeamSpeak as well.

If the players don't get a reply to their appeal emails, then they could use the Support rooms to get help from a moderator+. I never ever saw someone in these support rooms so finally a good reason to keep them. It's also good to discuss their ban with a staff to learn what they did wrong and how they have to change to get unbanned. It also shows the players that the staffs aren't robots, cuz you can talk with them about things like that.

Avicus is Avicus your banned you break one of AVICUS rules then you get banned from both simple try not to break the rules ! Just don't abuse these extras !

Avicus is Avicus your banned you break one of AVICUS rules then you get banned from both simple try not to break the rules ! Just don't abuse these extras !

There's a issue with appeals being answered, so even if the person appeals and it's a valid appeal, they probably wont receive a response quickly, and maybe not at all. 

So it's adding further inefficiency to the system. TS is a separate program all-together. 
What if a player wants to catch up with old friends? People use Avi TS for more than just in-game. Some teams I remember used it to scrim, music room, support (could be regarding appeals) (not that there's ever mods on TS anyways), could be stopping by to say hi, could be playing on other server with Avi friends.

It seems ridiculous that the player would be banned in TS. Obviously this is what the community has wanted for quite a while, maybe we're on to something. Not everyone has Skype.

Avicus TeamSpeak is used primarily for playing on Avicus. Also, since Avicus kinda owns both of those, it would make sense for you to be banned off of both services. I completely agree with this rule.

Avicus TeamSpeak is used primarily for playing on Avicus. Also, since Avicus kinda owns both of those, it would make sense for you to be banned off of both services. I completely agree with this rule.

So then since the forums are a part of Avicus as well, does that mean they should be banned on the forums as well?

I mean if that's the case, im pretty sure you know some banned ppl here who you are friends with. Don't you want them to talk and socialize with you?

@Greg: Its not really my job to look at other Minecraft servers and what they do. Haha.
@Zinteka: I don't make friends with people who get banned. Most I actually dislike for obvious reasons. I think a punishment is a punishment, nothing more and nothing less. Past trouble makers often stir up stuff on the forums and TS, and obviously that isn't good for the community. Its up to the staff to decide whether people get banned off the forums for what they do in-game (I personally think they should be allowed to post on the forums until they start injuring the community).

And if the ban is false? Then they cant appeal it because no everyone uses email and so they use teamspeak to appeal it but they cant do that if their banned can they?

The point is so that people can catch up with old friends. I mean unless you guys want to stop old friends from talking to each other, unban them from TS.

The email should be answered (thats kinda why its there). One of the Admins needs to step up and force the Sr Mods to do appeals, or else there should be no bans without evidence by the moderators. 

So, in theory, if the email is working, then there is no reason for the player to have access to the forums or TeamSpeak. Alternatively, they can use Skype to get hold over any number of Admins/Sr Mods. I used to get numerous requests for help over Skype, and I replied to every one thoroughly. It is up to the staff to respond to appeals, it isn't up to the community to listen and get all riled up over nothing.

You know it saddens me to see how in the strawpoll "Yes" is winning.
Lets look at it this way, if you get banned in game why don't you get banned on the forums? Because they're two completely different things. Also players in TeamSpeak don't just go there to play Avicus, me and my friends go on Avicus TeamSpeak but not ONLY for Avicus, we go on other servers like Kohi or Badlion as well. 

Avicus provides other services too like TinyChat and Github so does that mean players who are banned in game  get banned of GitHub and TinyChat? NO it doesn't, so if you're intending to ban someone off TeamSpeak just because they're banned in game you might as well ban them of GitHub and TinyChat.

P.S. I know some people who are banned in game but not banned of TeamSpeak.

Want an example?
ME.

You know it saddens me to see how in the strawpoll "Yes" is winning.
Lets look at it this way, if you get banned in game why don't you get banned on the forums? Because they're two completely different things. Also players in TeamSpeak don't just go there to play Avicus, me and my friends go on Avicus TeamSpeak but not ONLY for Avicus, we go on other servers like Kohi or Badlion as well. 

Avicus provides other services too like TinyChat and Github so does that mean players who are banned in game  get banned of GitHub and TinyChat? NO it doesn't, so if you're intending to ban someone off TeamSpeak just because they're banned in game you might as well ban them of GitHub and TinyChat.

P.S. I know some people who are banned in game but not banned of TeamSpeak.

Want an example?
ME.

Banned, thanks for the report!

No problem, you really think I care?

Forum ban me as well and ban me off of GitHub and TinyChat.
Why don't people who are banned in game get banned off all of Avicus's services?

This is why people from OCN and other servers come here to trash Avicus and give it a bad rep.

Because staff have a bad side to them aswell, wanna know that bad side? 
IGNORANCE.

Thank you for the report! This person has been dealt with! ;)

No problem, is that really all you got from that?

I thought you'd be with me in this one but guess not you've been influenced by your friends and you've gone to the side of ignorance.

A lot of people that are banned contribute things to the forums as well as GitHub regarding forum glitches.  TinyChat is not really an official Avicus service, it's nothing but a simple room some people go in sometimes for fun.  Plug.dj is a program that anybody can come into to listen to music, not even Minecraft players.

TeamSpeak is a place where Avicus players communicate with other Avicus players.  It is centered around the gameplay aspect, as opposed to the subject of listening to music or video facecams.

If you aren't to play in-game, it's essentially pointless to go on TeamSpeak, we've had a pretty hefty track record of banned players coming in and trolling and harassing on TS, and frankly many of us are done with it.

And lastly, who isn't ignorant? We aren't gods, everybody makes mistakes.

Excuse me? i'm 100% against the staff with many things including this topic. Why do you think I have been going against Gill with everything he has said, because getting banned from everything over something that happened ingame which is 50% of the time false and to me its stupid. Now call me ignorant all you want, I'm Greg and like others I have my own opinion like you and everyone else that play this server. People who go to OCN well good for them that's their life choice thank you. #Murica

"If you aren't to play in-game, it's essentially pointless to go on TeamSpeak, we've had a pretty hefty track record of banned players coming in and trolling and harassing on TS, and frankly many of us are done with it."

It's not pointless to go on TeamSpeak if you're not gonna play Avicus, remember how many times you guys would play UHC, was that Avicus? 

Also me and my friends (Tino and Juano) tend to play Kohi a lot while we're in TeamSpeak so we can improve.

Some inactive Avicus players are my friends and the only time I get to see them is on Avicus TeamSpeak.

Not EVERYONE who's been banned has done trolling on TeamSpeak, for example I just got banned off there by YOU and I didn't do any trolling on TeamSpeak after I was banned for "Ban Evasion".

If we didn't ban everyone it would very well be determined as something that's all too common, and that's bias.

And also, just because we don't always play in game doesn't mean we never do it.  In fact, the majority of the time is spent in-game, that's why it's the Avicus TeamSpeak.

Exactly that's what I've been trying to say it's BIAS that everyone is getting banned just because they have been banned in game. If someone starts trolling then just ban them (if they're already banned in game), don't just ban everyone.

I didn't do anything on TeamSpeak after I got banned for "Ban Evasion" so why ban me?

You're not an Avicus player, because you're banned.
The TeamSpeak is a place to connect with Avicus players.

Just an FYI, it's not bias that people are getting banned from being banned in-game, it's part of the rules, and everyone banned in-game is banned on TS.

I'll make this clear for everyone. People should only be banned from TS if they do something unjust on there. If they are banned from avic.us but, comply with TS rules, there is no need to ban them. These rules are basically "reading a book by its cover." Some of you staff judge people by whether or not they're banned in game. So you are saying that people who hack will be rude on TS? I think not. I think it's time to open up to these new ideas and accept that changes need to happen. It's time to broaden your options and look for outside help.

Teamspeak is supplementary to the Avicus itself, so it isn't a totally different "thing".
I don't know about this rule entirely, but I may aswell make a few points FOR the rule.

a) The senior staff want to encourage the use of the support email.
b) Users are discouraged from breaking the rules; knowing that more punishments will follow alongside their main ban.

Now some points AGAINST the rule.

a) If users have the ability to freely join Teamspeak, they can improve their behaviour and prove to the staff that they have improved too. 
b) Why Teamspeak? Why not the Forums and PlugDJ? With this rule implemented, it's somewhat inconsistent and disorganised if you ask me. 

I was the one who gave permission to moderators to ban for it. The reason why is because majority of the staff pleaded that this rule were to be enforced. Maybe there could have been a public discussion on this? I'll admit I punished users on TS who were banned in game (only if this user ranted and troubled staff).

Also, I'm nor for or against this rule - but communities opinions should vary the implementation and enforcement of rules @admins.

havent seen a single banned player not be an ass on ts consistently.

last time i saw you on you were flooding the chat with alts and playing music

Avicus TeamSpeak is used primarily for playing on Avicus. Also, since Avicus kinda owns both of those, it would make sense for you to be banned off of both services. I completely agree with this rule.

Jozzeh, from what I've read from your post. The AGAINST side makes more sense.

Not everyone who is banned will troll on TS. I'm not saying that you are following by the book, but what i have heard that is happening to banned users on TS is just nonsense.

Remember the topic of moderators being robotic? Well, this action has shown that this is being like a robot. 

You guys are too by-the-book.

And frankly, i do not agree with this. I'm not a staff-basher but i call out people when they make the wrong choices or do things that upset the majority of the community.

If you're gonna ban them from TS, why not ban them from the forums and other services as well like OCN? At least that makes sense... but not recommended. 

Seriously, this is like a classroom with one class clown and the teacher punishes the whole class instead. Seriously, it is easy to tell from the bad eggs to the good eggs.

Just spot the eggs that are cracked and leaking! Ergo, ban the ones that are causing trouble as you would with a non-banned user who is causing trouble.

You're not an Avicus player, because you're banned.
The TeamSpeak is a place to connect with Avicus players.

Just an FYI, it's not bias that people are getting banned from being banned in-game, it's part of the rules, and everyone banned in-game is banned on TS.

Lol, I'm just a bystander here, but yall gotta realize something...

"Ivy owns them..."
"Ivy pays for them..."

In the end, NO ONE AT ALL has a say about this here except Kylo/Ivy. They are his servers, and he paid for them. We need HIS call to determine anything further on the subject.

And on that note, I'd like to nicely ask a staff member to lock this thread to prevent further arguments/flame warring until Kylo/Ivy gives us the official say.

LOL so you're saying he isn't a part of the community because he's banned. 

That is complete bullshit and you know it. Being banned in-game does not mean you are not a part of the community. Even if he didn't leave by choice, THIS IS WHY players are leaving Avicus, most likely including me as well at this point. 

Ignorance and comments as such that just aren't well thought-out.  

You act as if people don't use the TS for more than that, they can be playing on another server, Avicus players or not, players should be able to communicate with friends, etc. 

This is the shit that makes me not want to come back. Robotic staff members who always play it by the book. There are always exceptions, learn that.

Lol, I'm just a bystander here, but yall gotta realize something...

"Ivy owns them..."
"Ivy pays for them..."

In the end, NO ONE AT ALL has a say about this here except Kylo/Ivy. They are his servers, and he paid for them. We need HIS call to determine anything further on the subject.

And on that note, I'd like to nicely ask a staff member to lock this thread to prevent further arguments/flame warring until Kylo/Ivy gives us the official say.

LOL so you're saying he isn't a part of the community because he's banned. 

That is complete bullshit and you know it. Being banned in-game does not mean you are not a part of the community. Even if he didn't leave by choice, THIS IS WHY players are leaving Avicus, most likely including me as well at this point. 

Ignorance and comments as such that just aren't well thought-out.  

You act as if people don't use the TS for more than that, they can be playing on another server, Avicus players or not, players should be able to communicate with friends, etc. 

This is the shit that makes me not want to come back. Robotic staff members who always play it by the book. There are always exceptions, learn that.

Players and community are two different things.

Players are banned from the server because THEY broke the rules and THEY can do the time in return.  If they're not willing to comply with our rules, they shouldn't be able to play on the server.

Also, by the book? Message me privately and maybe we'll see what "books" we go by.

LOL so you're saying he isn't a part of the community because he's banned. 

That is complete bullshit and you know it. Being banned in-game does not mean you are not a part of the community. Even if he didn't leave by choice, THIS IS WHY players are leaving Avicus, most likely including me as well at this point. 

Ignorance and comments as such that just aren't well thought-out.  

You act as if people don't use the TS for more than that, they can be playing on another server, Avicus players or not, players should be able to communicate with friends, etc. 

This is the shit that makes me not want to come back. Robotic staff members who always play it by the book. There are always exceptions, learn that.

you left leave just like the rest of you people who say your leaving we have a big party the you come and try and be part of the community when you left your said your leaving so leave honestly

Books as in Holes by Louis Sachar?

Why am I not banned on the forums?

Players and community are two different things.

Players are banned from the server because THEY broke the rules and THEY can do the time in return.  If they're not willing to comply with our rules, they shouldn't be able to play on the server.

Also, by the book? Message me privately and maybe we'll see what "books" we go by.

@Juano and Tino

If they're breaking our rules, and we ban them, thus barring them from using our in-game service, why would we want them to keep using our services in general? I don't think that if someone wants to disgrace the server by disregarding our rules and requirements that they should be able to use our communication server that we gracefully allow players to use.

TL:DR Players who broke our rules shouldn't be using our services, they can use Skype.

Also, I don't know why banned players aren't banned from the forums either!

@Juano and Tino

If they're breaking our rules, and we ban them, thus barring them from using our in-game service, why would we want them to keep using our services in general? I don't think that if someone wants to disgrace the server by disregarding our rules and requirements that they should be able to use our communication server that we gracefully allow players to use.

TL:DR Players who broke our rules shouldn't be using our services, they can use Skype.

Also, I don't know why banned players aren't banned from the forums either!

To stay in touch with friends..
This is a community and friends are made here, one example is Eric which I think is banned off TS for being banned from the server. He had tons of friends that spent time with him and he lost them, I doubt he has all their Skype accounts so he lost contact with some of them which is sad. Also, if he keeps a casual atmosphere now, I don't see the reason on banning him as attitude an MC clients are not related at all. Maybe he can't play Avicus anymore but let him talk with his friends at least, there is no trouble with that right? Emmy even said he just bans people that keep asking for an appeal, those kind of people should be banned but not the kind of people like Eric as they don't make any type of trouble. Last thing to remind you, not everyone gets on TS to play Avicus so people who were banned from there for being banned off the MC server should be unbanned now for reasons stated above.

+This isn't going anywhere unless a Sr comes in so, ye.

Don't get me wrong, Eric's a great guy, and he's a good friend of mine.  Not every banned player is that way though, as a matter of fact many are the opposite. I'd love to see some of the banned players on TS, but I uphold the rule and support it strongly. If we were to let Eric stay, then that would be a problem commonly known as bias, which you guys love to get onto us about anyways.

It wouldn't be bias if players banned from avicus weren't banned from TS.

Don't get me wrong, Eric's a great guy, and he's a good friend of mine.  Not every banned player is that way though, as a matter of fact many are the opposite. I'd love to see some of the banned players on TS, but I uphold the rule and support it strongly. If we were to let Eric stay, then that would be a problem commonly known as bias, which you guys love to get onto us about anyways.

Why can't people just play the damn game? 

When Avicus bans someone, they practically have nothing to do with that player anymore. It isn't their responsibility. If they go hack or swear on another server, why should we care? So if this person isn't doing anything bad on the Teamspeak, it's not our responsibility to ban them. That's like banning someone in game then banning them on the forums. It doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. If they want to still be part of our community, why the hell not? 

Now if you have a player who has banned for ddosing/ddos threats, why the hell would you NOT ban them off TS? You run the risk of them hitting innocent players offline. If they're spamming the chat with key loggers or porn, (and we're talking regulars by the way) why keep them on the TS? There are people who want to communicate with each other and there are those individuals that like to troll the living shit out of everyone they can. You can determine the difference.

In all honesty I don't really care about this at all. People should just be able to play the game. ITS A BLOCK GAME. If they want to keep communicating with their friends when banned, so be it. I don't understand why it's such a big deal.

That is true, but it's the rules, I didn't make them.

I'm pretty sure I heard you saying: "I'll ban Eric the next time I see him around" without being sarcastic, but I don't want to get off topic so, IMO, the best way to solve this is making a testing process (Unban TS people) just so they have a 2nd chance and prove the staff wrong about themselves, maybe, there are more good people around there.

Note!: People that have been banned for DDoS threats or DDoS should't be unbanned, well, you know why and it's pretty obvious.

We need any one who is higher than a moderator or senior moderator to deal with this....

As stated above players who were banned shouldn't be banned from everywhere else lest they cause more trouble. 

However, those who were banned for infractions dealing with IPs or DDoSing should be banned from everywhere including forums as they may chose to attack the website.

Straightened, I know that you are just following orders but you have to realize when a rule made goes against what many believe and is clearly from today's standards impractical and unethical.

Your statement, "I'd love to see some of the banned players on TS, but I uphold the rule and support it strongly." sounds heavily robotic and sort of detached and it is confusing :/

So you would love to see banned ppl on TS but you support it strongly? Which point of view are you on? It is confusing....

Anyway, I get the part of you trying to uphold the rule but you need to understand that this rule is unreasonable.

I don't think you understand my point.

I like a lot of players, even the banned ones.

That being said, I agree with the rule and I support it strongly, no "roboticness" intended. And I feel that it's reasonable to an extent. Does it need modified and maybe some exceptions/regulations? Definately, that's why I agreed with Juano's statement.

However, it's something that was put in for a good reason.  People who are removed from our services are removed from our services, and that's that.  You break our rules, you get the punishment, you mess with the bull and you get the horns, it's the same thing. 

We aren't hosting the TS server to support people who broke rules and got themselves banned from our server, that's the bottom line.

I get what you're saying but it doesnt make any sense that they be allowed on the forums if that is the case.

The rule in the first place is impractical as many banned users want a way to connect with their friends (If they do not want Skype or their computer cannot support you cannot blame them) by putting this rule into place, it limits communal relations between friends and will--in the long run--be a negative impact on the server.

As players wander the server and notice some things about the way Avicus runs stuff... they will turn away and search for something better...

This is one of the reasons why more people prefer OCN over us. With OCN, when they say that you're banned from all services it means all services including the forums.

It may be even worse but atleast it makes sense and will force people to try to make up for mistakes wrought in the past should they be banned.

I can attest to this as i was banned from OCN 2 years ago and after 5 months of being banned, i learned my lesson and now im a good boy :)

Surely if one is banned from TS, should they not be banned from forums? 

And if they are kept on the forums, should they not be allowed on TS?

Now, I myself was thinking of leaving for awhile now but I want to hold off and see what "Nise" update has in store. 

The phrase "In dark times, the eye begins to see the truth..." definitely works here.

I know, I think they should be banned from the forums as well.

I'm confused on your viewpoints now.

If you're banned in-game, you should be banned on the forums and TS.  I'm also supportive to modifications and rearrangements on the rule.

I'm confused on why everyone's getting so salty over it, you just gotta follow the rules.

We salty because, these rules in particular regarding bans on TS are unjust.

Well, that's your opinion.

Isn't it yours too?
You said you support rearrangements to the rules.

I do, but I believe that it should still center around; If you're banned off the Avicus Network, you shouldn't be able to use our services.
Exceptions? Regulations? The staff's open to suggestions, not insults.

We salty because, these rules in particular regarding bans on TS are unjust.

I'm pretty sure I heard you saying: "I'll ban Eric the next time I see him around" without being sarcastic, but I don't want to get off topic so, IMO, the best way to solve this is making a testing process (Unban TS people) just so they have a 2nd chance and prove the staff wrong about themselves, maybe, there are more good people around there.

Note!: People that have been banned for DDoS threats or DDoS should't be unbanned, well, you know why and it's pretty obvious.