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Would you be interested in... by Tazz May 31, 2016 at 10:05 PM UTC

Please note, this is probably not going to happen, however I would like to see everyone's opinions.

Well, I was recently presented with a way to have a 99.9% cheat free tournament. Basically, you are required to have something launched in order for you to launch the server. It could be a jar file, which acts as a remote file that tracks statistics and you can only be on the server if you have it open. On the other hand, it could be a launcher where you have to be using something specific to join the tournament server and you can only join it with that. 

I think we can all agree, a lot of people closet cheat. There is no way to catch every cheater, there never will be. A cheater will always beat any form of anticheat in the long run. It will always be like that. I don't think a lot of people would play a tournament with this because it could be potentially dangerous to a person's security, however please take in to account how much this would grow us as a competitive community, and how little cheaters you will be playing with and against.

Remember, this is only a discussion, and nothing here is announcement. Please, don't expect anything out of this if you are for this idea.

Regards

Tazz

Brokennz May 31, 2016 at 10:05 PM UTC

It's a good idea, but why not make an anticheat instead of doing that?
I know that Avicus have an anti-cheat but why not improve it like Badlion or Kohi? I mean, make updates very often.

If your idea can prevent autoclickers, I would say that is the best idea ever.

Tazz May 31, 2016 at 10:05 PM UTC

It's a good idea, but why not make an anticheat instead of doing that?
I know that Avicus have an anti-cheat but why not improve it like Badlion or Kohi? I mean, make updates very often.

If your idea can prevent autoclickers, I would say that is the best idea ever.
Cheaters will always beat anticheat, however a server side anti cheat can only do so much. Whereas a client side anticheat can scan for lots of things. Look at ESEA's (CS:GO PUG Service) anticheat for example. There is little to no cheaters, because it is a client and it looks for cheats by looking at the person's computer. It would prevent most autoclickers by the scans.

JJTheGuy May 31, 2016 at 10:05 PM UTC

It's a good idea, but why not make an anticheat instead of doing that?
I know that Avicus have an anti-cheat but why not improve it like Badlion or Kohi? I mean, make updates very often.

If your idea can prevent autoclickers, I would say that is the best idea ever.
"A cheater will always beat any form of anticheat in the long run."

lgmatias May 31, 2016 at 11:05 PM UTC

is this gonna detect my terabytes of midget porn

Crazy_ June 1, 2016 at 12:06 AM UTC

So would this mean all mods would not work? People that use OF, Toggle sprint, Laby's mod would be forced not to use those?

Posighdun June 1, 2016 at 12:06 AM UTC

So would this mean all mods would not work? People that use OF, Toggle sprint, Laby's mod would be forced not to use those?
No it doesn't stop mods from working. It just tells us if you have any specific and suspicious mods. So you could use all the allowed ones.

pope_panda June 1, 2016 at 12:06 AM UTC

yes

shadowolfyt June 1, 2016 at 12:06 AM UTC

Sounds good!

Bloodoh June 1, 2016 at 12:06 AM UTC

This isnt a rezurrection, its a fucking Minecraft server, theres no fucking need for that programs that you use and they are even a lie. IMO.

Juanooo June 1, 2016 at 3:06 AM UTC

I don't mind though autoclickers would still be a thing since they're non client sided and would not work along this 'client' you're thinking of.

DaFrozenBlaze June 1, 2016 at 3:06 AM UTC

Wasn't this suggested a looong time ago
:))))

PokerFace June 1, 2016 at 5:06 AM UTC

Wasn't this suggested a looong time ago
:))))
"Recently"

Months ago xD.

_Nathy June 1, 2016 at 5:06 AM UTC

+1

Should have been implemented a long time ago

SamuelJacob9 June 1, 2016 at 6:06 AM UTC

wait, so for those that are not participating have to download it too? If we do, -1

Robin_DD_J June 1, 2016 at 6:06 AM UTC

But wouldnt that ruin all teams? :)

Posighdun June 1, 2016 at 6:06 AM UTC

wait, so for those that are not participating have to download it too? If we do, -1
Only people who register and play in the tournament/event.

DaFrozenBlaze June 1, 2016 at 6:06 AM UTC

wait, so for those that are not participating have to download it too? If we do, -1
Why would you need to download if you're not playing anyway

Xuph June 1, 2016 at 6:06 AM UTC

how am I going to play then :(
owait autoclickers don't get detected 

Seriously it seems hard and to implement but if you can, go for it

AstroPizza June 1, 2016 at 6:06 AM UTC

I would like to know the privacy risks first but overall i would be for it.

piratewithgun June 1, 2016 at 7:06 AM UTC

yes

Posighdun June 1, 2016 at 7:06 AM UTC

how am I going to play then :(
owait autoclickers don't get detected 

Seriously it seems hard and to implement but if you can, go for it
There would be something for autoclickers as well. Don't worry, you guys wouldn't be missing out :P

zero9178 June 1, 2016 at 7:06 AM UTC

Yes Pls +1

joelous June 1, 2016 at 7:06 AM UTC

Yes! I would certainly like this, but as stated in the OP, there are some concerns with security. I'd would want to see a full report on how safe it is, because you never know, some people can load rats on it. It can even do damage if an inexperienced developer worked on it. 

Also, it should be compatible with Optifine 1.8-1.9 & some other legal mods, and able to detect irregular files in it (I presume that's the idea though lol).

DaFrozenBlaze June 1, 2016 at 7:06 AM UTC

There would be something for autoclickers as well. Don't worry, you guys wouldn't be missing out :P
Without his autoclicker he can't carry cronus
make the right decisions

Riilo June 1, 2016 at 8:06 AM UTC

no, fuck that. i want great banter when teams get dq'd

joelous June 1, 2016 at 8:06 AM UTC

no, fuck that. i want great banter when teams get dq'd
im sure you'll dq us anywayz so better use it!!

Legoche June 1, 2016 at 9:06 AM UTC

As much as I agree with this it is an invasion of privacy and for what? To play block game...

Numberz_ June 1, 2016 at 9:06 AM UTC

As much as I agree with this it is an invasion of privacy and for what? To play block game...
Competitive block game*

@OP: Needs more information. Not going to install something on to my computer just to play a few games. We wouldn't need this if people read the rules and were honest human beings. I don't see either of those things happening on Avicus though. ;/

Legoche June 1, 2016 at 9:06 AM UTC

Competitive block game*

@OP: Needs more information. Not going to install something on to my computer just to play a few games. We wouldn't need this if people read the rules and were honest human beings. I don't see either of those things happening on Avicus though. ;/
You know what happened with LabyMod ages ago right? They found a way to steal accounts. How can I trust the program?

Numberz_ June 1, 2016 at 9:06 AM UTC

You know what happened with LabyMod ages ago right? They found a way to steal accounts. How can I trust the program?
I meant players on the server following the rules, but that wont happen. Heck I wouldn't trust this program until its proven to be 100℅ safe.

FrozenSolstice June 1, 2016 at 10:06 AM UTC

I agree with what 99 and Lego are saying.

I'd prefer to keep any of these types of programs off of my computer, especially for something as insignificant as a block game tournament.

awesome_apricot June 1, 2016 at 10:06 AM UTC

If it was written by Keenan who I presume when making this website had to follow data and privacy laws, and when you download the client to play the tournament you are abiding to Keenans responsibility of your data and the fact that it would be private, then I would be all for it. Without proper documentation I think a lot of people would be sketchy. 

For instance I wouldnt download and run if there was no statement of "avicus takes responsibility for this product" "it is safe to use this because (insert why here)"

Having said that I think this has been brought up before, and no discredit to Tazz, this idea needs to be implemented, but properly.

To anyone that wouldn't download it and run it with proper legal docs for its use then im sorry to announce to the community that you have something to hide!!

Zegita June 1, 2016 at 10:06 AM UTC

i'm up for this 100% but you have to test this beforehand because like some other people said it could be sketchy and they can run risk of having their privacy leaked etc. if you can do that then I'll happily download it :)

ImRaging June 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM UTC

well apollo is screwed!


in all seriousness tho:

1)surely you wouldnt be able to detect autoclickers     edit:nvm read sessps post
2)depends what else shows up other than clients and other privacy risks

other than that im for it

Tazz June 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM UTC

well apollo is screwed!


in all seriousness tho:

1)surely you wouldnt be able to detect autoclickers     edit:nvm read sessps post
2)depends what else shows up other than clients and other privacy risks

other than that im for it
1) Yes
2) Nothing would

awesome_apricot June 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM UTC

1) Yes
2) Nothing would
You're right.

If it is written well by someone who knows what they're doing without having a separate agenda then noone should have anything to worry about..

Apart from being caught.

Yes. I'm calling yall out

Tazz June 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM UTC

You're right.

If it is written well by someone who knows what they're doing without having a separate agenda then noone should have anything to worry about..

Apart from being caught.

Yes. I'm calling yall out
+1

BmB June 1, 2016 at 12:06 PM UTC

This isnt a rezurrection, its a fucking Minecraft server, theres no fucking need for that programs that you use and they are even a lie. IMO.
because you hack...

LFT June 1, 2016 at 12:06 PM UTC

Nice idea, now how would this work because say I have huzini on my computer but I'm not using it. Will it be detected or no?

joelous June 1, 2016 at 12:06 PM UTC

Nice idea, now how would this work because say I have huzini on my computer but I'm not using it. Will it be detected or no?
It would probably only scan the profile you're using

Posighdun June 1, 2016 at 12:06 PM UTC

Nice idea, now how would this work because say I have huzini on my computer but I'm not using it. Will it be detected or no?
No. It would only detect it if you were using it.

Stimulating June 1, 2016 at 1:06 PM UTC

It would probably only scan the profile you're using
Issue is it wouldn't pick up injection and USB clients then, which is why it functions otherwise.

Tazz June 1, 2016 at 1:06 PM UTC

Issue is it wouldn't pick up injection and USB clients then, which is why it functions otherwise.
Yes it would.

Indicado June 1, 2016 at 2:06 PM UTC

yessssssssss

DaGoldBrick June 1, 2016 at 2:06 PM UTC

I agree with what 99 and Lego are saying.

I'd prefer to keep any of these types of programs off of my computer, especially for something as insignificant as a block game tournament.
If it's so insignificant then don't play it?

Also what stops you from uninstalling the program after the tourny?

emilizzle June 1, 2016 at 2:06 PM UTC

If it's so insignificant then don't play it?

Also what stops you from uninstalling the program after the tourny?
dude if it can get in your file system it can get in your rule 34 files

gg

DaGoldBrick June 1, 2016 at 2:06 PM UTC

dude if it can get in your file system it can get in your rule 34 files

gg
too bad rule 34 is online dumbo

emilizzle June 1, 2016 at 2:06 PM UTC

too bad rule 34 is online dumbo
did you uploaded ur maps on dropbox?

share download link pls

LFT June 1, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC

No. It would only detect it if you were using it.
Ok because I have an autoclicker and huzini on my computer but I don't care to use them ever :P.

Stimulating June 1, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC

Yes it would.
If it only checked the profile you were on and nothing else? Don't think it would, but I could be mistaken.

JustBudah June 1, 2016 at 4:06 PM UTC

Yes please

dev_revs June 1, 2016 at 5:06 PM UTC

Would it be implemented before the official tourney?

DaFrozenBlaze June 1, 2016 at 5:06 PM UTC

Would it be implemented before the official tourney?
Check slack

kiwi654321 June 1, 2016 at 7:06 PM UTC

But wouldnt that ruin all teams? :)
fk off nerd

rememes June 1, 2016 at 7:06 PM UTC

As much as I agree with this it is an invasion of privacy and for what? To play block game...
Then don't hack on the block game in the first place mate

Bloodoh June 1, 2016 at 7:06 PM UTC

because you hack...
sure

Myworld6 June 1, 2016 at 8:06 PM UTC

Depends on how it affects our privacy, as Pizza says. I'm against it until I know more.

BmB June 1, 2016 at 9:06 PM UTC

sure
you're banned for hacks retard

PokerFace June 1, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC

Why do you keep repeating "This will probably not happen"?

DaFrozenBlaze June 1, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC

Why do you keep repeating "This will probably not happen"?
Because it probably won't

Spoookeh June 1, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC

you're banned for hacks retard
There's no need to bring that here.

Stay on topic or leave this post please.

ioioy June 2, 2016 at 10:06 AM UTC

If it was a global competitive client I'd do it, but because it's just avicus, I don't really want to as it has no other uses especially since there's 2 days before the tourney.. If ocn and badlion gathered to use it too, I'd do it.

DaFrozenBlaze June 2, 2016 at 10:06 AM UTC

If it was a global competitive client I'd do it, but because it's just avicus, I don't really want to as it has no other uses especially since there's 2 days before the tourney.. If ocn and badlion gathered to use it too, I'd do it.
It was never intended to be used for the tourney even if it was decided to be used. And not like it's going to be used at all.

Stimulating June 2, 2016 at 7:06 PM UTC

I personally would because it'd be nice to be able to play one tm without cheaters/hackers. 

I wouldn't care, but others do

awesome_apricot June 3, 2016 at 1:06 PM UTC

legit this could be the difference between good tournaments in the future and bad ones. If you got this program to be absolutely ace, we would be 10 steps ahead of other networks in terms of having block game tournaments, and could pave the way the future of mineman pvp...

I actually think this is such a good idea so please please please set the future for PvP, it will on make the game fairer!

Tazz July 29, 2016 at 9:07 AM UTC

Let's get some more opinions

Zegita July 29, 2016 at 9:07 AM UTC

Let's get some more opinions
As long as there is no threat to your account/PC using that client then I am honestly all for it. This creates the tournaments to be more fair and anti cheat can only do so much to catch hackers but cannot catch everyone so this is probably the best. If you can also make it so that when you download this client it's easy to dl and there are no complicated steps like optifine used to have 2/3 years ago where you had to delete the meta inf file which took long and now it's just installing simply.

XtraMajestical July 29, 2016 at 9:07 AM UTC

Do it and stop the sneaky buggers using their clients! for tourneys
But belongs if it doesn't mess with other values that could effect the pvp

hasl July 29, 2016 at 10:07 AM UTC

With the tournaments, the organisation is really good, the times, refs, map choices; literally everything except one thing - cheaters. Ever since day one (Tazz using ToggleSneak (not saying it's your fault bro)) there have been issues, and this seems like a really good solution, I'm up for giving it a go!

Will this be compatible with LabyMod, Forge, Optifine etc.?

Zegita July 29, 2016 at 10:07 AM UTC

With the tournaments, the organisation is really good, the times, refs, map choices; literally everything except one thing - cheaters. Ever since day one (Tazz using ToggleSneak (not saying it's your fault bro)) there have been issues, and this seems like a really good solution, I'm up for giving it a go!

Will this be compatible with LabyMod, Forge, Optifine etc.?
Yup it will read the first two pages

Tazz July 29, 2016 at 10:07 AM UTC

With the tournaments, the organisation is really good, the times, refs, map choices; literally everything except one thing - cheaters. Ever since day one (Tazz using ToggleSneak (not saying it's your fault bro)) there have been issues, and this seems like a really good solution, I'm up for giving it a go!

Will this be compatible with LabyMod, Forge, Optifine etc.?
I don't even know how it would work TBH, there's a few options but mods and laby would be allowed yes.

STEYN2G July 29, 2016 at 1:07 PM UTC

I don't see how this can invade any privacy, if people call a document in a minecraft folder privacy than they really need to get a life.

Besides, autoclicking will indeed be a thing with or without this, but if you guys do this it's obviously gonna reduce the amount of hackers, so saying there will be autoclickers is no valid argument against having this new ''launcher''.

Recently started playing a bit of avicus, and this kind of stuff makes me impressed as a new player here.

Indicado July 29, 2016 at 2:07 PM UTC

why not

lgmatias July 29, 2016 at 3:07 PM UTC

Let's get some more opinions
I really like this idea. Please do this. PLEASE

Sevoo July 29, 2016 at 3:07 PM UTC

yes

ImRaging July 29, 2016 at 4:07 PM UTC

If you can code it please do

rockymma July 29, 2016 at 6:07 PM UTC

Creating a client-side AntiCheat measure to help assist the process of detecting cheaters is certainly possible, most popular eSports have something like this. The ideal solution would be to have a combination of both client-side and server-side measures, being able to go more in-depth with the client solution but also being able to regulate public matches and such with server-side ones. 

However, it would require a competent individual with a solid understanding of what they're working on in order to effectively implement something like this. It's important to design a system that minimizes the amount of "point of entries" that would grant any 3rd party the ability to manipulate payload data, or modify it in any way that renders it ineffective.

Legoche July 29, 2016 at 9:07 PM UTC

I am uneasy on the idea, especially since it could allow people to see  personal files. Even if it was fully trusted, if Avicus were to be hacked surely it would allow for hundreds of players files to be leaked?

Tazz July 29, 2016 at 9:07 PM UTC

I am uneasy on the idea, especially since it could allow people to see  personal files. Even if it was fully trusted, if Avicus were to be hacked surely it would allow for hundreds of players files to be leaked?
How would Avicus being hacked do anything?

Xuph July 29, 2016 at 9:07 PM UTC

I dont know why you all think its so unsecure, i see this like a version that you choose exactly like forge or optifine but youd had to have a certain mod or version installed, avicus iant associated in any way with the data of your pc in thjs solution imo, it just makes sure you cant connect with clients. If what i think is right then it doesn't prevent people from using injection clients or autoclickers

Legoche July 29, 2016 at 9:07 PM UTC

How would Avicus being hacked do anything?
depends in how it was coded but it could allow hackers to access users files?

Tazz July 29, 2016 at 9:07 PM UTC

I dont know why you all think its so unsecure, i see this like a version that you choose exactly like forge or optifine but youd had to have a certain mod or version installed, avicus iant associated in any way with the data of your pc in thjs solution imo, it just makes sure you cant connect with clients. If what i think is right then it doesn't prevent people from using injection clients or autoclickers
I highly doubt it would be like that because it wouldn't get autoclickers or injection clients as you say, only prevent version clients and forge clients.

Tazz July 29, 2016 at 9:07 PM UTC

depends in how it was coded but it could allow hackers to access users files?
I don't know as I wouldn't be coding it, but they would only have what is checked I suppose, and that's only if it records it in to a logs folder.

Xuph July 29, 2016 at 9:07 PM UTC

I highly doubt it would be like that because it wouldn't get autoclickers or injection clients as you say, only prevent version clients and forge clients.
But still i believe it will be something along the lines of a mod or a version, and it wont have any association with the data on your pc, and wont send it to avicus even if avicus gets hacked

Tazz July 29, 2016 at 9:07 PM UTC

But still i believe it will be something along the lines of a mod or a version, and it wont have any association with the data on your pc, and wont send it to avicus even if avicus gets hacked
It would be pointless as a mod or version.

Xuph July 29, 2016 at 9:07 PM UTC

It would be pointless as a mod or version.
Else its actually insecure lmao

Tazz July 29, 2016 at 9:07 PM UTC

Else its actually insecure lmao
Not at all lol, scanning open programmes, jvm memory, your .minecraft, clicks etc is not insecure. Only information leading to identification of cheats would be stored lol.