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[SUG] League roster sizes by Spoookeh January 4, 2016 at 10:01 AM UTC

I'd like to suggest having the roster sizes for the League Season 2 the max they can be (30) just because it's a league and spans about 12 weeks. Because of this, not everyone will be able to attend and different people will want to play. Leaders might find it difficult to tell players that they won't be able to play for their team for a pretty long time.

Just a suggestion, ty for reading :)

Legoche January 4, 2016 at 10:01 AM UTC

I agree with this, it isn't likely going to happen though and I have already asked Tazz for this before.

DaFrozenBlaze January 4, 2016 at 11:01 AM UTC

I don't see a reason to have a limit in the first place.

Vobaseball12 January 4, 2016 at 12:01 PM UTC

I don't see a problem in raising it.

Pelpelajax January 4, 2016 at 12:01 PM UTC

No point in having large sizes. 30 is ridiculous and difficult to manage for Officials. Too many things to keep track of.

Iron January 4, 2016 at 12:01 PM UTC

No point in having large sizes. 30 is ridiculous and difficult to manage for Officials. Too many things to keep track of.
but officials dont need to track team sizes? not that hard

xMasterSlayer January 4, 2016 at 12:01 PM UTC

I agree have no limit!

Pelpelajax January 4, 2016 at 12:01 PM UTC

but officials dont need to track team sizes? not that hard
They need to track players. In addition, it can and will be very difficult to manage in terms of logistics and organisation.

Iron January 4, 2016 at 12:01 PM UTC

They need to track players. In addition, it can and will be very difficult to manage in terms of logistics and organisation.
I see. However, I know that the officials dont even mind. So I guess your point is invalid?

ImRaging January 4, 2016 at 1:01 PM UTC

Yes please

Pelpelajax January 4, 2016 at 1:01 PM UTC

I see. However, I know that the officials dont even mind. So I guess your point is invalid?
Vobase is the only one who replied. I doubt that the others have put any thought into this yet.

NovaLikesPvP January 4, 2016 at 1:01 PM UTC

25 team limit would be great..

Veopth January 4, 2016 at 2:01 PM UTC

Agree! c: that would be nice

JDKL January 4, 2016 at 4:01 PM UTC

A bit of a raise with the max player limit for the league roster would be great x)

Jahaj January 4, 2016 at 4:01 PM UTC

I think it would be great, as for the thing Pel mentioned, why it be a problem to have 30 people on the roster, as long as only 6-8 showed up during the matches.

Fouled January 4, 2016 at 8:01 PM UTC

I'm up for raising the roster sizes, maybe a little lower than 30 though.

Spoookeh January 4, 2016 at 9:01 PM UTC

Vobase is the only one who replied. I doubt that the others have put any thought into this yet.
I don't really see why it's difficult to manage? Players who aren't on the roster can't join official servers so there wouldn't be a problem.

I just thought it would be nice for your WHOLE roster to be able to play in the League, not tournaments though (:

Pelpelajax January 5, 2016 at 6:01 AM UTC

I don't really see why it's difficult to manage? Players who aren't on the roster can't join official servers so there wouldn't be a problem.

I just thought it would be nice for your WHOLE roster to be able to play in the League, not tournaments though (:
I don't really see why it's difficult to manage?
You don't see everything :)

Dyspa January 5, 2016 at 6:01 AM UTC

I don't really see why it's difficult to manage?
You don't see everything :)
Dude, you were literally one of the worst officials out there at the time. Your word means nothing

Tazz January 5, 2016 at 7:01 AM UTC

Roster sizes are 20. You play with 8. Tbh, I don't care that you have too many players on your roster. If you haven't realized. the sizes for T1 and T2 were 18. Now it is 20.  It's not my fault that you have a gigantic roster when the sizes for the first two tournaments were 18. Furthermore, the ratio for players on field to roster sizes is 2.5. That is very big. I (no, i'm not leaking, this is my opinion) want the roster sizes for tournament 3 to be less than 18.

_Nathy January 5, 2016 at 7:01 AM UTC

IMO I don't think it matters how many you have on your active roster, so long as 8 turn up to play.

DaFrozenBlaze January 5, 2016 at 8:01 AM UTC

Dude, you were literally one of the worst officials out there at the time. Your word means nothing
No

Coco_stag January 5, 2016 at 8:01 AM UTC

Dude, you were literally one of the worst officials out there at the time. Your word means nothing
That was harsh

DaFrozenBlaze January 5, 2016 at 8:01 AM UTC

I just wanna ask, what's the reason for having a limit in the first place? I'm quite confused right now.

Iron January 5, 2016 at 9:01 AM UTC

Roster sizes are 20. You play with 8. Tbh, I don't care that you have too many players on your roster. If you haven't realized. the sizes for T1 and T2 were 18. Now it is 20.  It's not my fault that you have a gigantic roster when the sizes for the first two tournaments were 18. Furthermore, the ratio for players on field to roster sizes is 2.5. That is very big. I (no, i'm not leaking, this is my opinion) want the roster sizes for tournament 3 to be less than 18.
This is a league yo. Also, that seems really dictator like.. Do you officials not talk with each other? : P two have said it's cool, but you're killing the dream. THE DREAM IS OVER TAZZ ITS OVER!!

HotAndCrunch January 5, 2016 at 10:01 AM UTC

The hardest part of entering a tournament with a limit is telling a member of your team that they cannot play. The simplest way of getting rid of this problem is to remove the limit. The officials need to be more mindful of the teams, and the team leaders. It would be very easy just to increase the player count by 5 or maybe even 10 - a lot easier than telling a player that they cannot play in the league.

Spoookeh January 5, 2016 at 11:01 AM UTC

Roster sizes are 20. You play with 8. Tbh, I don't care that you have too many players on your roster. If you haven't realized. the sizes for T1 and T2 were 18. Now it is 20.  It's not my fault that you have a gigantic roster when the sizes for the first two tournaments were 18. Furthermore, the ratio for players on field to roster sizes is 2.5. That is very big. I (no, i'm not leaking, this is my opinion) want the roster sizes for tournament 3 to be less than 18.
I dont really mind the limit on the tournaments but it's ridiculous for the League, imo that is.

awesome_apricot January 5, 2016 at 1:01 PM UTC

Tournaments need a cap of 18 or so. The league should have a very high cap of say 25-30, due to the nature of games being played weekly or bi weekly, you need back ups for back ups. You can then have maybe 3-4 portions of the seasons which are in effect like transfer windows - but maybe on 3 transfers or so, so teams dont change too much.

Tazz January 5, 2016 at 3:01 PM UTC

This is a league yo. Also, that seems really dictator like.. Do you officials not talk with each other? : P two have said it's cool, but you're killing the dream. THE DREAM IS OVER TAZZ ITS OVER!!
Noono, of course we do. You took it the wrong way. That is what I would personally want xd

ImRaging January 5, 2016 at 3:01 PM UTC

Roster sizes are 20. You play with 8. Tbh, I don't care that you have too many players on your roster. If you haven't realized. the sizes for T1 and T2 were 18. Now it is 20.  It's not my fault that you have a gigantic roster when the sizes for the first two tournaments were 18. Furthermore, the ratio for players on field to roster sizes is 2.5. That is very big. I (no, i'm not leaking, this is my opinion) want the roster sizes for tournament 3 to be less than 18.
But I think if New BC had more than 18 active players you'd want it raised :^)

Tazz January 5, 2016 at 3:01 PM UTC

My point is, you do not need 12 backups. You need to field 6 people, 8 at max. The minimum has a 3.33. ratio. That is very high which I do think you realise. 12 backups is already way too high. If you have 20, active members (unlike myself xd) then you should not have a problem fielding 8. The two most active teams have 10ish players on a matchday.

Tazz January 5, 2016 at 3:01 PM UTC

The hardest part of entering a tournament with a limit is telling a member of your team that they cannot play. The simplest way of getting rid of this problem is to remove the limit. The officials need to be more mindful of the teams, and the team leaders. It would be very easy just to increase the player count by 5 or maybe even 10 - a lot easier than telling a player that they cannot play in the league.
You shouldn't have such a high roster number in the first place. 20 is way too big in itself.

HotAndCrunch January 5, 2016 at 3:01 PM UTC

You shouldn't have such a high roster number in the first place. 20 is way too big in itself.
if there is a roster limit to 30 then the tournament roster limit should be 30. Also T1 abd T2 were about 4 or 5 matches 
max. The League is 13 matches.

Tazz January 5, 2016 at 3:01 PM UTC

if there is a roster limit to 30 then the tournament roster limit should be 30. Also T1 abd T2 were about 4 or 5 matches 
max. The League is 13 matches.
I really have no idea how you can think that, or why there is a limit on a roster. The roster limit should be unlimited, however please give me a valid reason as to why the tournament roster limit should be 30.

Tazz January 5, 2016 at 4:01 PM UTC

But I think if New BC had more than 18 active players you'd want it raised :^)
Cool! :)

JDKL January 5, 2016 at 4:01 PM UTC

I really have no idea how you can think that, or why there is a limit on a roster. The roster limit should be unlimited, however please give me a valid reason as to why the tournament roster limit should be 30.
It should be 30 because it is a league, not a tournament. In a league, everyone is meant to play and participate for the team. I'd understand why the tournament roster for an actual tournament might not be 30 but this is not the case. All the players in the team should be able to play in matches and feel part of team. How'd you like it if you were excused from a league because of another player? You may think it is a tournament but because of the layout of this, it is a league.

Tazz January 5, 2016 at 4:01 PM UTC

It should be 30 because it is a league, not a tournament. In a league, everyone is meant to play and participate for the team. I'd understand why the tournament roster for an actual tournament might not be 30 but this is not the case. All the players in the team should be able to play in matches and feel part of team. How'd you like it if you were excused from a league because of another player? You may think it is a tournament but because of the layout of this, it is a league.
If I was excused then I would go and find another team and improve? Like I said above, people shouldn't have more than 20 people in their team who are active and who play, because they know that they will have to 'excuse' them for the tournament.

JDKL January 5, 2016 at 4:01 PM UTC

If I was excused then I would go and find another team and improve? Like I said above, people shouldn't have more than 20 people in their team who are active and who play, because they know that they will have to 'excuse' them for the tournament.
What is the point of making team leaders' excuse players? As I said, it is a league, not a tournament.

Iron January 5, 2016 at 4:01 PM UTC

If I was excused then I would go and find another team and improve? Like I said above, people shouldn't have more than 20 people in their team who are active and who play, because they know that they will have to 'excuse' them for the tournament.
But we arent OCN. Why cant we try and implement new player caps? They are trying 5v5, why dont we try making it higher? Having more people on field would be SO MUCH more interesting than the current 8v8. What people are suggesting, is that you make the LEAGUE either 30 or 25 players because its a League.... In a tournament sure, let the roster be 18. Its a tournament, you only take your best players (thats how it works). Also, you are allowed to have more than 18/20 players. A team is supposed to be your friends, so what if you have more than 20? As long as you have fun as a group its still a team. Having to tell people to stop playing and leave is terrible. You would know this. The fact that Avicus has larger teams than OCN is one thing, however, we have so many fewer teams. Making a team on Avicus is not easy. If all the excess on apollo was to leave that would be 4 players.... What if they can't find any friends to play with, because they are all on Apollo?

HotAndCrunch January 5, 2016 at 4:01 PM UTC

But we arent OCN. Why cant we try and implement new player caps? They are trying 5v5, why dont we try making it higher? Having more people on field would be SO MUCH more interesting than the current 8v8. What people are suggesting, is that you make the LEAGUE either 30 or 25 players because its a League.... In a tournament sure, let the roster be 18. Its a tournament, you only take your best players (thats how it works). Also, you are allowed to have more than 18/20 players. A team is supposed to be your friends, so what if you have more than 20? As long as you have fun as a group its still a team. Having to tell people to stop playing and leave is terrible. You would know this. The fact that Avicus has larger teams than OCN is one thing, however, we have so many fewer teams. Making a team on Avicus is not easy. If all the excess on apollo was to leave that would be 4 players.... What if they can't find any friends to play with, because they are all on Apollo?
Apollo Friends

ImRaging January 5, 2016 at 4:01 PM UTC

I think that the fact that the league is over such a long period of time compared to the tournaments, means that I should be raised. People in a tourney are picked because they're the best in your team. You play a couple of matches over 2-3 weeks and then its over. With a league it disables people to play competitively over a long period of time.

Tazz January 5, 2016 at 5:01 PM UTC

But we arent OCN. Why cant we try and implement new player caps? They are trying 5v5, why dont we try making it higher? Having more people on field would be SO MUCH more interesting than the current 8v8. What people are suggesting, is that you make the LEAGUE either 30 or 25 players because its a League.... In a tournament sure, let the roster be 18. Its a tournament, you only take your best players (thats how it works). Also, you are allowed to have more than 18/20 players. A team is supposed to be your friends, so what if you have more than 20? As long as you have fun as a group its still a team. Having to tell people to stop playing and leave is terrible. You would know this. The fact that Avicus has larger teams than OCN is one thing, however, we have so many fewer teams. Making a team on Avicus is not easy. If all the excess on apollo was to leave that would be 4 players.... What if they can't find any friends to play with, because they are all on Apollo?
The fact that Avicus has larger teams than OCN is one thing, however, we have so many fewer teams. 

If we upped the count then there would be less. We currently have what, 10 teams? I want to lower it to 8v8 with 16-18, but if I did that then people would complain that people have to leave. However, that would make making teams a lot easier, and we could probably get 16 team tournaments instead of 8, like last tournament which is pathetic. 

What if they can't find any friends to play with, because they are all on Apollo?

Then they can make a team together or something? They could maybe take some members from Apollo.



Legoche January 5, 2016 at 6:01 PM UTC

Apollo Friends
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FRIENDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

lgmatias January 6, 2016 at 6:01 AM UTC

Roster sizes are 20. You play with 8. Tbh, I don't care that you have too many players on your roster. If you haven't realized. the sizes for T1 and T2 were 18. Now it is 20.  It's not my fault that you have a gigantic roster when the sizes for the first two tournaments were 18. Furthermore, the ratio for players on field to roster sizes is 2.5. That is very big. I (no, i'm not leaking, this is my opinion) want the roster sizes for tournament 3 to be less than 18.
This

Dyspa January 6, 2016 at 6:01 AM UTC

I say we make the next tourney 5v5 or a 6v6, we'd get more teams.

DaFrozenBlaze January 6, 2016 at 11:01 AM UTC

I say we make the next tourney 5v5 or a 6v6, we'd get more teams.
How does that work?

Legoche January 6, 2016 at 3:01 PM UTC

Please Avicus, don't copy OCN and go 5v5, at least see how it works out for OCN first...

Tazz January 6, 2016 at 3:01 PM UTC

Please Avicus, don't copy OCN and go 5v5, at least see how it works out for OCN first...
Although team sizes may decrease, we will not go anywhere as low as 5v5.

DaFrozenBlaze January 6, 2016 at 3:01 PM UTC

Please Avicus, don't copy OCN and go 5v5, at least see how it works out for OCN first...
Avicus doesn't currently have maps to support 5v5s / 6v6s anyway. Even if it would happen, it would take a while.