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Status of the Official Team/Behind The Scenes by PokerFace October 18, 2017 at 5:10 AM UTC

Hi everyone,

I believe the community needs an explanation on everything going on with tournaments and the official team, so this is what this post will be about.

Tournament preparation I would say is almost complete, but things have been running slow, especially with the recent demotions/retirements of 3 officials. Although this should not be an excuse, we are doing the best with what we have to work with.

Battle of Eternity II:

As you may be able to tell by the name, the next tournament will be a TDM tournament. However, due to the recent disbanding of three of the largest teams (Allah, Horizon, PureBlox) we have decided to host this tournament with a 5v5 format to give smaller teams the chance to develop while still attempting to retain the competitive atmosphere Avicus has had in previous tournaments.

The maps will most likely be Crossfire (without scoreboxes), Actrix, and Injustice.

Some of the issues causing us not to have the tournament released yet are:

New Features:

During this time  I have been experimenting with possible new features to enhance the quality of the tournaments. I will give a brief explanation of each of the ones listed below.


As you can see in the picture there is a redstone lamp wall and some levers in the front along with visual representations of the maps. The idea is that when you pull the red lever, the lamps in the back will turn off indicating the map which has been chosen to be banned. The idea for the green lever is that with the help of XML, in chat it will display a message saying which map has been selected. The main purpose of this is to make the veto process more organized to avoid doing the vetos through messages. It also enhances the livestreams.


This is just an example of how a match page with statistics would look like (disregard the names and numbers). As long as there is a stream/chat logs with full evidence of all the pvp encounters, this can definitely be a possibility.

Event Staff Applications:

We have received all applications and are under the process of reviewing them. We should be wrapped up with this in a few days.

Official Promotions:

There definitely will be official promotions, still debating on who to be promoted.

Questions?

If you have a question about something that wasn't addressed, feel free to ask!

poofywoo October 18, 2017 at 6:10 AM UTC

Hype, keep up the cool work and not make the tournament early, as in not 12 pm est thanks

profbananaslug October 18, 2017 at 6:10 AM UTC

u spelled dev_revs and lytei wrong btw

PokerFace October 18, 2017 at 6:10 AM UTC

Hype, keep up the cool work and not make the tournament early, as in not 12 pm est thanks
It will probably be at that hour again.

Tazz October 18, 2017 at 6:10 AM UTC

Hype, keep up the cool work and not make the tournament early, as in not 12 pm est thanks
l o l at time idea

cellish October 18, 2017 at 6:10 AM UTC

hopefully i can appeal before this happens

Spoookeh October 18, 2017 at 8:10 AM UTC

You need to build specific maps if you want 5v5 to work, not use old ones from 8v8

PokerFace October 18, 2017 at 8:10 AM UTC

You need to build specific maps if you want 5v5 to work, not use old ones from 8v8
That's part of what I meant by optimizing the maps for the tournament, but thank you for reminding me.

Seuthy October 18, 2017 at 10:10 AM UTC

you included legoche who has been gone for like 5 months and not me smh

Legoche October 18, 2017 at 10:10 AM UTC

you included legoche who has been gone for like 5 months and not me smh
it’s because I’m better

Diabolicx October 18, 2017 at 2:10 PM UTC

That's good, thanks for the clarifications

Lokigh October 18, 2017 at 3:10 PM UTC

This seems really cool, looking forward to it; nicely done :)

dev_revs October 18, 2017 at 3:10 PM UTC

5v5? Avicus has ran 8v8 for years don’t use a bad excuse of “teams disbanding” those teams didn’t disband they just formed into different teams. You have ZERO maps for 5v5, and the maps you chose are maps from last TDM tournament and are 8v8.. you plan on hosting a tournament with no new maps, a team setup that will not work and we have never used before, Scoreboxes are what made the last tournament interesting and fun,  I hope this is re thought because right now it seems the officials have zero sense of the competeive scene on minecraft.

Patrikano October 18, 2017 at 3:10 PM UTC

5v5? Avicus has ran 8v8 for years don’t use a bad excuse of “teams disbanding” those teams didn’t disband they just formed into different teams. You have ZERO maps for 5v5, and the maps you chose are maps from last TDM tournament and are 8v8.. you plan on hosting a tournament with no new maps, a team setup that will not work and we have never used before, Scoreboxes are what made the last tournament interesting and fun,  I hope this is re thought because right now it seems the officials have zero sense of the competeive scene on minecraft.
Got to agree on this with you. Avicus always was 8v8 so what reason is there to make it a 5v5? Because some teams disbanded and became new teams??? Not much sense in that.

Also wasn’t there a vote on what gamemode we want the next tournament to be? TDM definitely wasn’t one of the top 3, so why are we doing TDM? If you want to improve the competitive side of Avicus, why not listen to what we want?

Also, a big part of tournaments are the new maps that come with a new tournament. So what’s the point of playing the same old maps as before?

Theugh +1 to the cool idea about match info.

ImRaging October 18, 2017 at 4:10 PM UTC

Maybe instead of taking the easy way out and making avicus 5v5 because of a few teams disbanding

fucking advertise

get your fucking team together and organised

and  try and encourage people to come again

if you go down this road, more people will leave avicus

tbh its probably too late because people failed to advertise in the past so GL with that

scoreboxes are what made tdm good or it is just fucking stale

and dont listen to the people saying good work because this isn't. The only good decision thats been made in the past like what 3 months or whatever is the match ban shit that most people dont give a flying fuck about anyway. People that are saying 'gj' are either delusional or they have no experience or aren't involved in the competitive scene at all.

FIX


YOUR


SHIT

dev_revs October 18, 2017 at 4:10 PM UTC

Maybe instead of taking the easy way out and making avicus 5v5 because of a few teams disbanding

fucking advertise

get your fucking team together and organised

and  try and encourage people to come again

if you go down this road, more people will leave avicus

tbh its probably too late because people failed to advertise in the past so GL with that

scoreboxes are what made tdm good or it is just fucking stale

and dont listen to the people saying good work because this isn't. The only good decision thats been made in the past like what 3 months or whatever is the match ban shit that most people dont give a flying fuck about anyway. People that are saying 'gj' are either delusional or they have no experience or aren't involved in the competitive scene at all.

FIX


YOUR


SHIT
+1

Nachooo_ October 18, 2017 at 4:10 PM UTC

Got to agree on this with you. Avicus always was 8v8 so what reason is there to make it a 5v5? Because some teams disbanded and became new teams??? Not much sense in that.

Also wasn’t there a vote on what gamemode we want the next tournament to be? TDM definitely wasn’t one of the top 3, so why are we doing TDM? If you want to improve the competitive side of Avicus, why not listen to what we want?

Also, a big part of tournaments are the new maps that come with a new tournament. So what’s the point of playing the same old maps as before?

Theugh +1 to the cool idea about match info.
Agree with you

LFT October 18, 2017 at 4:10 PM UTC

Here comes my thoughts boys:

Gamemode:
We specifically held a vote for the COMMUNITY to decide the gamemode, which was DTM/C. I can understand why you'd switch the gamemode as it wouldn't play well in a 5v5 scenario, however it should have been brought up with the community on what they want to do. It should have gone Tournament 7 (DTM/C, 8v8), Tournament 8 or Mini Event I (TDM, 5v5), then from there decipher what direction you want the tournaments to go into. Also, I know I was the one to suggest switching to 5v5, however I didn't expect it to be implemented into the first tournament. I also don't think the reason 'The top 3 teams disbanded' is a good enough reason to switch the gamemode and players on field for a tournament.

Maps:
As stated by  Spoookeh &  dev_revs, Avicus currently has ZERO 5v5 maps, and using 8v8 maps in a 5v5 scenario is horrible. I even said when I was Official, to make NEW maps if we wanted to do a 5v5 tournament.

Map Veto System:
Been in the works for roughly 2 tournaments, so hopefully its finished by this one.

Advanced Statistic Tracking:
Its a cool concept, but is it really necessary?

Official Promotions:
Don't promote any of the Refs or Streamers (no offense to any of you guys). There is ONLY 1 person capable of being an Official from the event-staff team and that is  dev_revs. I know, crazy right? But, hes the only one who has actually proven themselves capable of doing their job and showing their willingness to help. As well as, all of the GOOD referees have only been a Ref for ONE tournament and its too early for a promotion. I would personally look at community members and see who actually is willing to give feedback, suggestions and overall try to help the Official team out from a player standpoint.

profbananaslug October 18, 2017 at 6:10 PM UTC

Here comes my thoughts boys:

Gamemode:
We specifically held a vote for the COMMUNITY to decide the gamemode, which was DTM/C. I can understand why you'd switch the gamemode as it wouldn't play well in a 5v5 scenario, however it should have been brought up with the community on what they want to do. It should have gone Tournament 7 (DTM/C, 8v8), Tournament 8 or Mini Event I (TDM, 5v5), then from there decipher what direction you want the tournaments to go into. Also, I know I was the one to suggest switching to 5v5, however I didn't expect it to be implemented into the first tournament. I also don't think the reason 'The top 3 teams disbanded' is a good enough reason to switch the gamemode and players on field for a tournament.

Maps:
As stated by  Spoookeh &  dev_revs, Avicus currently has ZERO 5v5 maps, and using 8v8 maps in a 5v5 scenario is horrible. I even said when I was Official, to make NEW maps if we wanted to do a 5v5 tournament.

Map Veto System:
Been in the works for roughly 2 tournaments, so hopefully its finished by this one.

Advanced Statistic Tracking:
Its a cool concept, but is it really necessary?

Official Promotions:
Don't promote any of the Refs or Streamers (no offense to any of you guys). There is ONLY 1 person capable of being an Official from the event-staff team and that is  dev_revs. I know, crazy right? But, hes the only one who has actually proven themselves capable of doing their job and showing their willingness to help. As well as, all of the GOOD referees have only been a Ref for ONE tournament and its too early for a promotion. I would personally look at community members and see who actually is willing to give feedback, suggestions and overall try to help the Official team out from a player standpoint.
#promoterevon ?!

Okiba October 18, 2017 at 7:10 PM UTC

even in examples im throwing

zicuri October 18, 2017 at 7:10 PM UTC

Mess

Xuph October 18, 2017 at 7:10 PM UTC

ProfessorUtonium October 18, 2017 at 8:10 PM UTC

even in examples im throwing
stop throwing

PokerFace October 18, 2017 at 9:10 PM UTC

I don't understand why you guys think this is such a bad idea. First of all, this is an extra tournament. We still have plans to have a "big tournament" with 8v8 as that is when most people are on school break. Second of all, if you guys like competition, don't you want more teams? 5v5 matches would allow for smaller teams to participate and bigger teams to create multiple teams. As long as the maps are edited to suit a 5v5 match, this shouldn't be a problem right?

So far, I have not heard of any reasons that prove that this 5v5 format for one tournament that wasn't even supposed to happen will negate the competitive scene on Avicus.

I will be making a separate post for a poll later on.

dev_revs October 18, 2017 at 9:10 PM UTC

I don't understand why you guys think this is such a bad idea. First of all, this is an extra tournament. We still have plans to have a "big tournament" with 8v8 as that is when most people are on school break. Second of all, if you guys like competition, don't you want more teams? 5v5 matches would allow for smaller teams to participate and bigger teams to create multiple teams. As long as the maps are edited to suit a 5v5 match, this shouldn't be a problem right?

So far, I have not heard of any reasons that prove that this 5v5 format for one tournament that wasn't even supposed to happen will negate the competitive scene on Avicus.

I will be making a separate post for a poll later on.
So far, I have not heard of any reasons that prove that this 5v5 format for one tournament that wasn't even supposed to happen will negate the competitive scene on Avicus.

you obviously have not read over any of the comments on this thread, or in discord.

PokerFace October 18, 2017 at 9:10 PM UTC

So far, I have not heard of any reasons that prove that this 5v5 format for one tournament that wasn't even supposed to happen will negate the competitive scene on Avicus.

you obviously have not read over any of the comments on this thread, or in discord.
I read over all of them. For example, the reason of "not having 5v5 maps". That is true, but we will be editing the maps to suit 5v5 so it would work out. List them down for me then.

KojaCola October 18, 2017 at 9:10 PM UTC

I like the veto system and the analytical statistics system, so +1 for that. 

I feel like the only way a 5v5 tournament would work would be if we made 5v5 versions of maps, but that would take a LONG time and time is of the essence. I think for this tournament we should keep it 7v7 or 8v8 and use the community poll which was announced a while back. 

For the next tournament, it might be good to make it a 6v6 CFTH or TDM and have special maps made for the occasion. This would take a lot of early planning, but I think you guys can pull it off. 

So basically, listen to the community (aka the poll) and keep it 7v7 or 8v8.

ytilauxesomoh October 18, 2017 at 10:10 PM UTC

For PureBlox to disband on avicus wouldnt it first have had to existed???

The team is bulldogs scumbag

EDJM9 October 19, 2017 at 12:10 AM UTC

Organization is key

Tazz October 19, 2017 at 4:10 PM UTC

All teams have disbanded for a reason(s), find the reason and then fix that instead of ignoring issues that are killing the scene

Acceqted October 20, 2017 at 8:10 PM UTC

Here comes my thoughts boys:

Gamemode:
We specifically held a vote for the COMMUNITY to decide the gamemode, which was DTM/C. I can understand why you'd switch the gamemode as it wouldn't play well in a 5v5 scenario, however it should have been brought up with the community on what they want to do. It should have gone Tournament 7 (DTM/C, 8v8), Tournament 8 or Mini Event I (TDM, 5v5), then from there decipher what direction you want the tournaments to go into. Also, I know I was the one to suggest switching to 5v5, however I didn't expect it to be implemented into the first tournament. I also don't think the reason 'The top 3 teams disbanded' is a good enough reason to switch the gamemode and players on field for a tournament.

Maps:
As stated by  Spoookeh &  dev_revs, Avicus currently has ZERO 5v5 maps, and using 8v8 maps in a 5v5 scenario is horrible. I even said when I was Official, to make NEW maps if we wanted to do a 5v5 tournament.

Map Veto System:
Been in the works for roughly 2 tournaments, so hopefully its finished by this one.

Advanced Statistic Tracking:
Its a cool concept, but is it really necessary?

Official Promotions:
Don't promote any of the Refs or Streamers (no offense to any of you guys). There is ONLY 1 person capable of being an Official from the event-staff team and that is  dev_revs. I know, crazy right? But, hes the only one who has actually proven themselves capable of doing their job and showing their willingness to help. As well as, all of the GOOD referees have only been a Ref for ONE tournament and its too early for a promotion. I would personally look at community members and see who actually is willing to give feedback, suggestions and overall try to help the Official team out from a player standpoint.
Maybe if they didn't demote me I could fill a spot

Seuthy October 21, 2017 at 11:10 PM UTC

it’s because I’m better
u came back to the forums just to reply to that HM

GrapeSmoothie October 22, 2017 at 8:10 PM UTC

don't disappoint me

Legoche October 23, 2017 at 8:10 PM UTC

u came back to the forums just to reply to that HM
I actually did mate

ImRaging October 24, 2017 at 10:10 AM UTC

don't disappoint me
prepare to be disappointed