First Offense → Player disqualified, Player permanent banned on ALL Avicus services, match loss
Second Offense → Player permanent banned on ALL Avicus services, team disqualified & blacklisted.
The matches can't be changed according to Tazz since they have already been played.
The players that were banned during our games just got banned and we played on. you cant have different rules just because your team is considered "top tier". Your matches should all be counted as losses, he played most/all?
The players that were banned during our games just got banned and we played on. you cant have different rules just because your team is considered "top tier". Your matches should all be counted as losses, he played most/all?
I'm not defending my team whatsoever. I was surprised when I found this out too. I didn't ask for any of this, Tazz just told me it.
A player from The Crazy Beaners was also banned so it makes sense that the matches wouldn't be counted as losses. If TCB and Apollo were both given losses for the matches those players played in it would result in them pretty much being disqualified, since they couldnt regain enough wins. Much as I agree with that it should be counts as a loss, it can't really be changed... they should both be deducted a win each tho.
[17:47:42] Izzy: apollo may have lost if he wasnt playing
[17:47:53] Izzy: if he wasnt cheating the result may have been different
[17:47:56] Izzy: so you cant count it as that
[17:52:20] Izzy: like they might not have won
[17:52:22] Izzy: if he wasnt cheating
[17:52:28] Izzy: so all matches he played = loss
Is it my fault that they officials can't make up their mind? They can't change back now anyway. I agree with you of them being more clear, I do not agree with them having a rule saying that someone cheating in a team will not be dq'd, but that's not in the rule set for this tourney.
We would have beaten Varsity, they only had 6 players.
You can't say that. Its not a matter of if you would/wouldn't have. If you won illegitimately then you cant count it as a win. From an observers perspective the match is always 50/50. Its probable that you would have beaten them but there is also a chance that you wouldnt. You cheated your way through that match, not your whole team, but one of your players, So you cant count it as a legitimate win.
Is it my fault that they officials can't make up their mind? They can't change back now anyway. I agree with you of them being more clear, I do not agree with them having a rule saying that someone cheating in a team will not be dq'd, but that's not in the rule set for this tourney.
It's your fault for having a cheater on your team.
There shouldnt be a cheater on your team in the first place, the point is that the cheater on your team made that rule which can be easily misunderstood have to be enforced.
There shouldnt be a cheater on your team in the first place, the point is that the cheater on your team made that rule which can be easily misunderstood have to be enforced.
How did Ingi make that rule, lol. And yes, I agree. we shouldn't have a cheater on our team. But how could we know? I agree with all of the points that you made except for the ones that we should have lost all the matches which isn't right because the staff didn't make the rule clear.
Tazz banned him after the matches that's why our matches are not counted as a loss
They should. He cheated throughout the tourney therefore the matches should count as loses. who knows if he wasn't cheating that you guys would of won?
They should. He cheated throughout the tourney therefore the matches should count as loses. who knows if he wasn't cheating that you guys would of won?
Have you even read my previous posts? Like get a brain and read them.
How is it their fault for not knowing that Ingigo would decide to hack? That's being unreasonable...
I'll be 100% honest and real here, almost the entire competitive scene knew he wasn't legit, and obviously so, for over half a year. It's 100% their fault that they facilitated someone who's known as a hacker/cheater.
can someone explain to me why he wasn't screenshared? Apart from having "evidence" from an autoclicker detector. Because as we know the Ingibot has been falsely banned before by such mechanisms in place.
They should. He cheated throughout the tourney therefore the matches should count as loses. who knows if he wasn't cheating that you guys would of won?
i doubt that if ingi wasnt autoclicking/another player was playing would've made a difference of 50 points (or in your case us winning over 100 points) lmao, one player can't make that much of a difference
can someone explain to me why he wasn't screenshared? Apart from having "evidence" from an autoclicker detector. Because as we know the Ingibot has been falsely banned before by such mechanisms in place.
There was probably no need for a screenshare as he also got GCheat banned on JD7 which was the same day as this tourney, they practically had a double check by looking at that. If he has been detected by 2 autoclick detectors then its pretty obvious he is cheating.
can someone explain to me why he wasn't screenshared? Apart from having "evidence" from an autoclicker detector. Because as we know the Ingibot has been falsely banned before by such mechanisms in place.
Because we have a 100% method that doesn't require anticheat. It doesn't require a screenshare in the slightest.
IMO both teams should be given one loss, as making all of them losses would be too extreme, but the teams were still cheating so they can't get away without a scar.
There was probably no need for a screenshare as he also got GCheat banned on JD7 which was the same day as this tourney, they practically had a double check by looking at that. If he has been detected by 2 autoclick detectors then its pretty obvious he is cheating.
We simply can't use another minecraft server's ban on him as evidence.
IMO both teams should be given one loss, as making all of them losses would be too extreme, but the teams were still cheating so they can't get away without a scar.
There was probably no need for a screenshare as he also got GCheat banned on JD7 which was the same day as this tourney, they practically had a double check by looking at that. If he has been detected by 2 autoclick detectors then its pretty obvious he is cheating.
I'll be 100% honest and real here, almost the entire competitive scene knew he wasn't legit, and obviously so, for over half a year. It's 100% their fault that they facilitated someone who's known as a hacker/cheater.
I'll be 100% honest and real here:
1) So many people client these days that it's hard af to tell who is and who isn't hacking (and dont give me any of that 'oh but its so obvious' shit). This means that so many people call a person/ a group of people out that it's hard to know if they're being serious or they're just salty. From OUR point of view it just looks like everyone is being salty that a team that shouldn't be good is quite good.
2) Please explain to me why WE should know of anyone that he was hacking. We hardly ever see eachother pvp. Ingi plays frontlines, so only maybe 1 or 2 people see him fighting, a match. Secondly, for a case like Max (bloodoh) he plays defence, which NOBODY ever goes to see unless they're supplying them.
If you can come up with a reason why we should've (not couldve, shouldve) known he was hacking, i'd be glad to hear it.
We're not denying that he was hacking, but it isn't our fault
IMO both teams should be given one loss, as making all of them losses would be too extreme, but the teams were still cheating so they can't get away without a scar.
No, all of the matches that were cheated in should be given as a win to the team that were opposing the cheaters
I'll be 100% honest and real here, almost the entire competitive scene knew he wasn't legit, and obviously so, for over half a year. It's 100% their fault that they facilitated someone who's known as a hacker/cheater.
That doesn't matter. (@eteh) It's your fault if one player in your team is hacking, either if you know or if you don't.
There was probably no need for a screenshare as he also got GCheat banned on JD7 which was the same day as this tourney, they practically had a double check by looking at that. If he has been detected by 2 autoclick detectors then its pretty obvious he is cheating.
Deleted this for reasons
I can't be arsed with it
Ingi can't be arsed with it.
tldr ingi is legit but i cannot be bothered to use my skills in englishness to defend this
Ok, first off, you guys do not understand the rule set. The rule set states that the match the player is banned will be made a loss, not every match he played on. However, he was banned after matches so we can not make him lose one particular match. I believe we have came to a conclusion so wait a minute so I can finalise it.
Ok, first off, you guys do not understand the rule set. The rule set states that the match the player is banned will be made a loss, not every match he played on. However, he was banned after matches so we can not make him lose one particular match. I believe we have came to a conclusion so wait a minute so I can finalise it.
1) So many people client these days that it's hard af to tell who is and who isn't hacking (and dont give me any of that 'oh but its so obvious' shit). This means that so many people call a person/ a group of people out that it's hard to know if they're being serious or they're just salty. From OUR point of view it just looks like everyone is being salty that a team that shouldn't be good is quite good.
2) Please explain to me why WE should know of anyone that he was hacking. We hardly ever see eachother pvp. Ingi plays frontlines, so only maybe 1 or 2 people see him fighting, a match. Secondly, for a case like Max (bloodoh) he plays defence, which NOBODY ever goes to see unless they're supplying them.
If you can come up with a reason why we should've (not couldve, shouldve) known he was hacking, i'd be glad to hear it.
We're not denying that he was hacking, but it isn't our fault
The thing is the method that was more than likely used to detect autoclicker is 100% accurate. He also got GCheated, which probably isn't a coincidence.
The officials have come to the conclusion from the evidence of the bans that Apollo will lose their match against Varsity, and The Crazy Beaners will lose their match against Team Allah. However, on the latter, Team Allah already won the match so nothing is changing there. We came to this conclusion by timing the evidence that we have for respective players and timing that to the match they were playing at time that the evidence was created.
IMO both teams should be given one loss, as making all of them losses would be too extreme, but the teams were still cheating so they can't get away without a scar.
The thing is the method that was more than likely used to detect autoclicker is 100% accurate. He also got GCheated, which probably isn't a coincidence.
we found out 10minutes before we started playing that he was banned on JD7...
Locking this seen as the 'issue' has been sorted out and only more arguments will come from this.
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