Are Staff Equal?
by
KiroV2
August 8, 2015 at 12:08 AM UTC
This goes out to everyone out there playing on Avicus who have experienced difficulties with staff. Should staff be respected by force or should they be treated the same as every human should be?
Everybody should be respected equally. And just do you know, you don't have to like someone to respect him. I don't like a lot of the staff, but I don't disrespect them. Forced respect obviously doesn't exist on Avicus if you take a look at the community's posts. And it's a good thing they do what they do. <3
I am having trouble comprehending what you're trying to say, however staff are no different than regulars, they're just regulars with a few more commands, that follow the same rules as a regular.
Treated as a same fucking human being. (Sorry for Profanity) Yesterday I saw a Sr Mod not only play soundboards & ban evade but then tell us not to tell the admin who banend him on ts that he was ban evading (regardless if it was a 5 minute ban) and it never got appealed. Then that same day I saw that same Admin playing a soundboard of a mexican speaking (I believe it was from one of those mexican vines, not 100% sure tho). If a regular member would have done that they would have been 1. Moved and then proceeded to be kicked/banned and or muted on the teamspeak for playing soundboards. 2. Banned for a probable longer/permanent time for ban evading, but of course it was 5 minutes again. And then also saying not to tell the Admin!?
No Names will be named but that is not any sort of behaviour any staff members should do. Especially for being Sr Mod and Admin.
I am having trouble comprehending what you're trying to say, however staff are no different than regulars, they're just regulars with a few more commands, that follow the same rules as a regular.
Treated as a same fucking human being. (Sorry for Profanity) Yesterday I saw a Sr Mod not only play soundboards & ban evade but then tell us not to tell the admin who banend him on ts that he was ban evading (regardless if it was a 5 minute ban) and it never got appealed. Then that same day I saw that same Admin playing a soundboard of a mexican speaking (I believe it was from one of those mexican vines, not 100% sure tho). If a regular member would have done that they would have been 1. Moved and then proceeded to be kicked/banned and or muted on the teamspeak for playing soundboards. 2. Banned for a probable longer/permanent time for ban evading, but of course it was 5 minutes again. And then also saying not to tell the Admin!?
No Names will be named but that is not any sort of behaviour any staff members should do. Especially for being Sr Mod and Admin.
I agree with you. I have been recently kicked for team grief when i was only trying to help out. They did not even give me a warn when i just get kicked. I accidentally blocked the obi when Snow the Mod. was trying to mine it. He clearly saw i wasn't going to mine the obi. I was trying to defend so the other team would not enter there obi and get it back to there control.
Ok, one misconception; Everyone, well, majority of players here believe that being a staff member is a job. No, it's a volunteer job - meaning all staff members are expected to withstand hatred no matter what extent.
Therefore, with that logic, staff members should be respected and hated depending on the situation.
Most of what I'm seeing here is people salty either about A)they got demoted B)They disagree with a punishment they got
I'm not salty cause I was demoted. The admins that demoted me are no longer there. What I am salty about is that Sr Staff and Admins broke the rules and got no type of punishment except a 5 minute ban for "harassment". That is why I'm salty. So don't be calling me salty for a reason that I'm not.
Please do not try to avoid the subject. You know what i mean. Thank you for understanding my point.
His post is completely relevant to the topic. This post, created by you, should be solely meant for discussion over the topic, not shaming another person over a valid action.
If you want this topic to remain the way it is (serving it's purpose as a regular discussion), I advise that you do not bring up another other private subject here. If you have a problem with a staff member or have another issue, feel free to email [email protected].
I'm not salty cause I was demoted. The admins that demoted me are no longer there. What I am salty about is that Sr Staff and Admins broke the rules and got no type of punishment except a 5 minute ban for "harassment". That is why I'm salty. So don't be calling me salty for a reason that I'm not.
Most of what I'm seeing Is what I said. I didn't say all of what I'm seeing
I'm not salty cause I was demoted. The admins that demoted me are no longer there. What I am salty about is that Sr Staff and Admins broke the rules and got no type of punishment except a 5 minute ban for "harassment". That is why I'm salty. So don't be calling me salty for a reason that I'm not.
I was banned by Peachy for "harassment" because I called Friends a bad show. It was a joke ban. Peachy let me get on my phone to get back on because he was too lazy to remove it. I logged on to get banned again by Auratix_ for "ban evading."
Most of what I'm seeing Is what I said. I didn't say all of what I'm seeing
All you see is 2 mods (Snow & DaBader), a guy who isn't happy about his punishment, you and me who is a demoted staff member... There is no one else who you could be referring to.
I was banned by Peachy for "harassment" because I called Friends a bad show. It was a joke ban. Peachy let me get on my phone to get back on because he was too lazy to remove it. I logged on to get banned again by Auratix_ for "ban evading."
Seemed pretty legit since you got banned for ban evading, sorry about that. But I do still have my two other points.
His post is completely relevant to the topic. This post, created by you, should be solely meant for discussion over the topic, not shaming another person over a valid action.
If you want this topic to remain the way it is (serving it's purpose as a regular discussion), I advise that you do not bring up another other private subject here. If you have a problem with a staff member or have another issue, feel free to email [email protected].
This isn't a problem with one staff. It is with most of the staff. Who believe they have superiority over regular minecraft players and we need less of those staff. It is the same exact problem with the police dealing with racism. When it comes to an Officer or a regular person. Who do you believe has more control over the other? The Officer am i right? It is the same with with staff and a regular minecraft player.
In addition to this. When there is a problem with staff and a regular player, and if there are more staff in the lobby or game. The other staff have the right to step in to help, but what side do they mostly choose? The staffs position. They less likely choose the player with less power. Want to know why? I'm just going to tell you. You do not want to break the friendship with other staff and you also do not want to start a conflict with another player with superior power.
This isn't a problem with one staff. It is with most of the staff. Who believe they have superiority over regular minecraft players and we need less of those staff. It is the same exact problem with the police dealing with racism. When it comes to an Officer or a regular person. Who do you believe has more control over the other? The Officer am i right? It is the same with with staff and a regular minecraft player.
In addition to this. When there is a problem with staff and a regular player, and if there are more staff in the lobby or game. The other staff have the right to step in to help, but what side do they mostly choose? The staffs position. They less likely choose the player with less power. Want to know why? I'm just going to tell you. You do not want to break the friendship with other staff and you also do not want to start a conflict with another player with superior power.
They usually side with the other staff because the other staff is correct and/or has a better point.
This isn't a problem with one staff. It is with most of the staff. Who believe they have superiority over regular minecraft players and we need less of those staff. It is the same exact problem with the police dealing with racism. When it comes to an Officer or a regular person. Who do you believe has more control over the other? The Officer am i right? It is the same with with staff and a regular minecraft player.
In addition to this. When there is a problem with staff and a regular player, and if there are more staff in the lobby or game. The other staff have the right to step in to help, but what side do they mostly choose? The staffs position. They less likely choose the player with less power. Want to know why? I'm just going to tell you. You do not want to break the friendship with other staff and you also do not want to start a conflict with another player with superior power.
"You do not want to break friendship with other staff"
You talk as if the community isn't ever bias. Trust me, if you're friend was arguing with a mod, you sure as hell would help him out. If a random is arguing with a mod, you won't care. He isn't your friend.
Also, you didn't answer me. Was this post just made because of your kick? That's what it looks like as of now, even though the comments on this thread bring up some relevant opinions.
I agree with you. I have been recently kicked for team grief when i was only trying to help out. They did not even give me a warn when i just get kicked. I accidentally blocked the obi when Snow the Mod. was trying to mine it. He clearly saw i wasn't going to mine the obi. I was trying to defend so the other team would not enter there obi and get it back to there control.
This reply literally has no relevance to vlads post or the thread itself
Im not saying i love every staff member and yes staff members do sometimes do assert their power and position, maybe in what we'd consider a negative way
but at the same time your school teacher will tell you to stop talking in class a few times, maybe a few times when it wasnt you, maybe after a while youll get sent out. If you punch a kid in the playground youll get suspended and dont be surpised if you do.
what im trying to say is yes staff members at times can be dicks, so what, anyone that knows me knows that i can be a total dick and i bet everyone here has been a dickhead at some stage as well.
The thing is staff members dont have to be staff members, if they wanted they could just leave. They've made a commitment to the rest of you players out there to help you and make the servers a better place. So they get angry at you for a petty reason, whoopdee do, they also banned that fly hacked a minute ago and that kill aura kid that was shredding your precious kd.
So can you stop just focusing on the negatives. "Snow kicked me for something stupid = Bad mod?" what about the 3 hours Snow's been doing nothing but server hopping to spectate ppl who've been reported. And maybe 10 or so hackers he's banned, and the 10 ppl he's told to calm down and maybe theres a bug on one of the servers he's trying to fix. I'm not seeing you creating a topic over all the good things.
Ok, one misconception; Everyone, well, majority of players here believe that being a staff member is a job. No, it's a volunteer job - meaning all staff members are expected to withstand hatred no matter what extent.
Therefore, with that logic, staff members should be respected and hated depending on the situation.
"You do not want to break friendship with other staff"
You talk as if the community isn't ever bias. Trust me, if you're friend was arguing with a mod, you sure as hell would help him out. If a random is arguing with a mod, you won't care. He isn't your friend.
Also, you didn't answer me. Was this post just made because of your kick? That's what it looks like as of now, even though the comments on this thread bring up some relevant opinions.
Im not saying i love every staff member and yes staff members do sometimes do assert their power and position, maybe in what we'd consider a negative way
but at the same time your school teacher will tell you to stop talking in class a few times, maybe a few times when it wasnt you, maybe after a while youll get sent out. If you punch a kid in the playground youll get suspended and dont be surpised if you do.
what im trying to say is yes staff members at times can be dicks, so what, anyone that knows me knows that i can be a total dick and i bet everyone here has been a dickhead at some stage as well.
The thing is staff members dont have to be staff members, if they wanted they could just leave. They've made a commitment to the rest of you players out there to help you and make the servers a better place. So they get angry at you for a petty reason, whoopdee do, they also banned that fly hacked a minute ago and that kill aura kid that was shredding your precious kd.
So can you stop just focusing on the negatives. "Snow kicked me for something stupid = Bad mod?" what about the 3 hours Snow's been doing nothing but server hopping to spectate ppl who've been reported. And maybe 10 or so hackers he's banned, and the 10 ppl he's told to calm down and maybe theres a bug on one of the servers he's trying to fix. I'm not seeing you creating a topic over all the good things.
That commitment came with them to not be over the rules. But there have been higher up staff members breaking those rules. That is the difference with teachers, they won't break rules but they will make mistakes when someone may not be legitimately breaking the rules. But I do agree, you break a rule you should get punished, no questions asked xd. You shouldn't be shaming staff on that part unless it legit is wrongful and it happened multiple times.
Im not saying i love every staff member and yes staff members do sometimes do assert their power and position, maybe in what we'd consider a negative way
but at the same time your school teacher will tell you to stop talking in class a few times, maybe a few times when it wasnt you, maybe after a while youll get sent out. If you punch a kid in the playground youll get suspended and dont be surpised if you do.
what im trying to say is yes staff members at times can be dicks, so what, anyone that knows me knows that i can be a total dick and i bet everyone here has been a dickhead at some stage as well.
The thing is staff members dont have to be staff members, if they wanted they could just leave. They've made a commitment to the rest of you players out there to help you and make the servers a better place. So they get angry at you for a petty reason, whoopdee do, they also banned that fly hacked a minute ago and that kill aura kid that was shredding your precious kd.
So can you stop just focusing on the negatives. "Snow kicked me for something stupid = Bad mod?" what about the 3 hours Snow's been doing nothing but server hopping to spectate ppl who've been reported. And maybe 10 or so hackers he's banned, and the 10 ppl he's told to calm down and maybe theres a bug on one of the servers he's trying to fix. I'm not seeing you creating a topic over all the good things.
It does not seem that they are helping other players. They just mention /report or say do not hacksute.
"You do not want to break friendship with other staff"
You talk as if the community isn't ever bias. Trust me, if you're friend was arguing with a mod, you sure as hell would help him out. If a random is arguing with a mod, you won't care. He isn't your friend.
Also, you didn't answer me. Was this post just made because of your kick? That's what it looks like as of now, even though the comments on this thread bring up some relevant opinions.
Sorry my keyboard is broken. My spelling will be off by a little.
Im not saying i love every staff member and yes staff members do sometimes do assert their power and position, maybe in what we'd consider a negative way
but at the same time your school teacher will tell you to stop talking in class a few times, maybe a few times when it wasnt you, maybe after a while youll get sent out. If you punch a kid in the playground youll get suspended and dont be surpised if you do.
what im trying to say is yes staff members at times can be dicks, so what, anyone that knows me knows that i can be a total dick and i bet everyone here has been a dickhead at some stage as well.
The thing is staff members dont have to be staff members, if they wanted they could just leave. They've made a commitment to the rest of you players out there to help you and make the servers a better place. So they get angry at you for a petty reason, whoopdee do, they also banned that fly hacked a minute ago and that kill aura kid that was shredding your precious kd.
So can you stop just focusing on the negatives. "Snow kicked me for something stupid = Bad mod?" what about the 3 hours Snow's been doing nothing but server hopping to spectate ppl who've been reported. And maybe 10 or so hackers he's banned, and the 10 ppl he's told to calm down and maybe theres a bug on one of the servers he's trying to fix. I'm not seeing you creating a topic over all the good things.
I 100% Agree. You think all the staff do are get in biased arguments or situations with players? The staff side with each other in many cases cause the other staff have a better point. I am also tired of people complaining about "biased" staff. leyva26, you got what? A kick? So one monument lost, so like 10 credits down the drain? Who cares. I understand that a in some cases staff have gotten above the rules but it's the past few of those staff members are even still staff.
Im not saying i love every staff member and yes staff members do sometimes do assert their power and position, maybe in what we'd consider a negative way
but at the same time your school teacher will tell you to stop talking in class a few times, maybe a few times when it wasnt you, maybe after a while youll get sent out. If you punch a kid in the playground youll get suspended and dont be surpised if you do.
what im trying to say is yes staff members at times can be dicks, so what, anyone that knows me knows that i can be a total dick and i bet everyone here has been a dickhead at some stage as well.
The thing is staff members dont have to be staff members, if they wanted they could just leave. They've made a commitment to the rest of you players out there to help you and make the servers a better place. So they get angry at you for a petty reason, whoopdee do, they also banned that fly hacked a minute ago and that kill aura kid that was shredding your precious kd.
So can you stop just focusing on the negatives. "Snow kicked me for something stupid = Bad mod?" what about the 3 hours Snow's been doing nothing but server hopping to spectate ppl who've been reported. And maybe 10 or so hackers he's banned, and the 10 ppl he's told to calm down and maybe theres a bug on one of the servers he's trying to fix. I'm not seeing you creating a topic over all the good things.
There are no positives. Only Admins and higher focus on plugins. Below that is to most likely help the community.
It seems your infractions involve hating on the staff. Maybe just play the game and not talk about them? I mean I'm sure they got better things to do than worry about your feelings of them in-game.
The problem I have is that some people act different around mods. I hate it. Don't treat me like a king, because I'm not. Don't treat mods or anyone like trash either.
What I'm saying is that don't treat mods any differently than you would other players, please.
I 100% Agree. You think all the staff do are get in biased arguments or situations with players? The staff side with each other in many cases cause the other staff have a better point. I am also tired of people complaining about "biased" staff. leyva26, you got what? A kick? So one monument lost, so like 10 credits down the drain? Who cares. I understand that a in some cases staff have gotten above the rules but it's the past few of those staff members are even still staff.
Nah it was 150 some credits. I believe so. By the way. Why would i risk my life in minecraft to get to the monument. To just grief and let no one get it? Or help defend. I was trying to defend since no one else was tp doing that duty. I took it into my own hands.
It seems your infractions involve hating on the staff. Maybe just play the game and not talk about them? I mean I'm sure they got better things to do than worry about your feelings of them in-game.
Nah it was 150 some credits. I believe so. By the way. Why would i risk my life in minecraft to get to the monument. To just grief and let no one get it? Or help defend. I was trying to defend since no one else was tp doing that duty. I took it into my own hands.
It doesn't matter how many credits you lost you have and emerald rank, how long would it take you to get those back? 20 minutes tops, and "Risking your Minecraft life" IT IS A GAME.
It doesn't matter how many credits you lost you have and emerald rank, how long would it take you to get those back? 20 minutes tops, and "Risking your Minecraft life" IT IS A GAME.
You misunderstood me. Please do not make it into a negative discussion. Please and thank you :)
Nah it was 150 some credits. I believe so. By the way. Why would i risk my life in minecraft to get to the monument. To just grief and let no one get it? Or help defend. I was trying to defend since no one else was tp doing that duty. I took it into my own hands.
Why would i risk my life in minecraft to get to the monument.
I never said you did, what I'm saying most of your infractions had to do with you most likely telling a mod that they aren't kings and they suck. Just play the game instead is what I'm saying.
I die countless times while trying to get to the monument in DTM, but my K/D is still positive. I don't really understand what you said...
On Topic, I feel that Staff members are just like regulars, as what Snow said. All of us are humans, we make mistakes sometimes. It takes time to amend it.
Seemed pretty legit since you got banned for ban evading, sorry about that. But I do still have my two other points.
Well, I honestly am completely unsure about the admin and mexican music thing.
But regarding my music playing, that is completely my bad. I asked people in the channel in advanced if they were okay and assumed everyone said yes, but I guess not. I will admit to my wronging on that, will not happen again.
I die countless times while trying to get to the monument in DTM, but my K/D is still positive. I don't really understand what you said...
On Topic, I feel that Staff members are just like regulars, as what Snow said. All of us are humans, we make mistakes sometimes. It takes time to amend it.
You misunderstood me. Please do not make it into a negative discussion. Please and thank you :)
It was a completely viable and legitiment answer to a topic that you worked into this thread. I don't see how he misunderstood you; the answer was fine.
If avicus had no staff the chats would be awful there would be hackers everywhere, with staff that doesn't happen.
^ A postive
If avicus had no players there wouldn't be avicus.
I can not understand what you mean here. It was just a simple question and I was just agreeing with other players. This is what i mean. People make situations into a big deal. Including myself. Yes like I did right now. But people do really need to control the way they look toward things. Including staff. Also we need to be less bias on choosing sides when a staff is trying to punish a player. The staff should at least give a warning first. Not an automatic kick. That is unbelievable. Maybe the player may take it into consideration if the staff was at least trying to comply with the player. For example, Say if the player were trying to block the entrance to something important. The staff saw what the player and just kicked him. At least let the player explain why he or she blocked the entrance to the important thing. In addition, staff need to stop assuming things and let players explain the situation and then the staff and player can work things out. This will dramatically increase the respect of a player to a staff. It would also help people in life to make better decisions and not do them again. If the staff and player were to comply together there would no conflict and peace. This is a really important message. Please read and thank you. :) I hope this really changes things' up a bit with the community. :)
Well, I honestly am completely unsure about the admin and mexican music thing.
But regarding my music playing, that is completely my bad. I asked people in the channel in advanced if they were okay and assumed everyone said yes, but I guess not. I will admit to my wronging on that, will not happen again.
You were gone with the admin and the mexican stuff. But thanks for understanding ^_^
I can not understand what you mean here. It was just a simple question and I was just agreeing with other players. This is what i mean. People make situations into a big deal. Including myself. Yes like I did right now. But people do really need to control the way they look toward things. Including staff. Also we need to be less bias on choosing sides when a staff is trying to punish a player. The staff should at least give a warning first. Not an automatic kick. That is unbelievable. Maybe the player may take it into consideration if the staff was at least trying to comply with the player. For example, Say if the player were trying to block the entrance to something important. The staff saw what the player and just kicked him. At least let the player explain why he or she blocked the entrance to the important thing. In addition, staff need to stop assuming things and let players explain the situation and then the staff and player can work things out. This will dramatically increase the respect of a player to a staff. It would also help people in life to make better decisions and not do them again. If the staff and player were to comply together there would no conflict and peace. This is a really important message. Please read and thank you. :) I hope this really changes things' up a bit with the community. :)
I'm going to go ahead and give my honest opinion as a staff member.
Staff are not equal to normal players. Simple as that.
Who's fault is this? The staff. I think all the staff have ways we can all change and improve. All of us. I am definitely one who needs to make massive improvements. It all comes down to every staff member. We need to change. I definitely want to talk to this with the other sr staff+ and see how we can change. I feel like we are the main start of the issue and we need to talk and make change in order to be closer to the community and be a more respectable staff team.
I can not understand what you mean here. It was just a simple question and I was just agreeing with other players. This is what i mean. People make situations into a big deal. Including myself. Yes like I did right now. But people do really need to control the way they look toward things. Including staff. Also we need to be less bias on choosing sides when a staff is trying to punish a player. The staff should at least give a warning first. Not an automatic kick. That is unbelievable. Maybe the player may take it into consideration if the staff was at least trying to comply with the player. For example, Say if the player were trying to block the entrance to something important. The staff saw what the player and just kicked him. At least let the player explain why he or she blocked the entrance to the important thing. In addition, staff need to stop assuming things and let players explain the situation and then the staff and player can work things out. This will dramatically increase the respect of a player to a staff. It would also help people in life to make better decisions and not do them again. If the staff and player were to comply together there would no conflict and peace. This is a really important message. Please read and thank you. :) I hope this really changes things' up a bit with the community. :)
I was a staff member for 5 months I know the rules it is an instant kick for monument blocking end of story. Before you say the reason I side with the staff was because I was staff, I'm not. I was demoted I did something wrong and received my punishment just like everyone else.
I was a staff member for 5 months I know the rules it is an instant kick for monument blocking end of story. Before you say the reason I side with the staff was because I was staff, I'm not. I was demoted I did something wrong and received my punishment just like everyone else.
This is what i mean. Staff want the final word and that's it. You have had the experience so you still believe you need the final word. Maybe this is why you got demoted.
I'm going to go ahead and give my honest opinion as a staff member.
Staff are not equal to normal players. Simple as that.
Who's fault is this? The staff. I think all the staff have ways we can all change and improve. All of us. I am definitely one who needs to make massive improvements. It all comes down to every staff member. We need to change. I definitely want to talk to this with the other sr staff+ and see how we can change. I feel like we are the main start of the issue and we need to talk and make change in order to be closer to the community and be a more respectable staff team.
I agree with you.
This could also dramatically increase the community into a positive one.
I can not understand what you mean here. It was just a simple question and I was just agreeing with other players. This is what i mean. People make situations into a big deal. Including myself. Yes like I did right now. But people do really need to control the way they look toward things. Including staff. Also we need to be less bias on choosing sides when a staff is trying to punish a player. The staff should at least give a warning first. Not an automatic kick. That is unbelievable. Maybe the player may take it into consideration if the staff was at least trying to comply with the player. For example, Say if the player were trying to block the entrance to something important. The staff saw what the player and just kicked him. At least let the player explain why he or she blocked the entrance to the important thing. In addition, staff need to stop assuming things and let players explain the situation and then the staff and player can work things out. This will dramatically increase the respect of a player to a staff. It would also help people in life to make better decisions and not do them again. If the staff and player were to comply together there would no conflict and peace. This is a really important message. Please read and thank you. :) I hope this really changes things' up a bit with the community. :)
I have already explained why I kicked you. We have already had this conversation. There is no need to involve the public in a private matter. My Skype's SnowSX3. Add me there if you have any more questions.
This is what i mean. Staff want the final word and that's it. You have had the experience so you still believe you need the final word. Maybe this is why you got demoted.
I was demoted for how inactive I was and an event that occurred a few weeks ago. I admit I didn't do my job and I received my punishment that's it.
I have already explained why I kicked you. We have already had this conversation. There is no need to involve the public in a private matter. My Skype's SnowSX3. Add me there if you have any more questions.
I would only want to talk to someone with more sense of manners. But thank you for trying to help me. :)
This is what i mean. Staff want the final word and that's it. You have had the experience so you still believe you need the final word. Maybe this is why you got demoted.
If you really want to talk to an upper staff member about something my skype is doctapop.
Okay, thank you. I will try to notify you soon as possible. Maybe not today nor tomorrow. I have to go to a Marine Drill. You can check for yourself at TustinYoungmarines.org.
I would only want to talk to someone with more sense of manners. But thank you for trying to help me. :)
"I would only want to talk to someone with more sense of manners." Bringing someone's demotion into this topic, and thinking somebody is a bad mod because of what you believe is a mistake?
I was banned by Peachy for "harassment" because I called Friends a bad show. It was a joke ban. Peachy let me get on my phone to get back on because he was too lazy to remove it. I logged on to get banned again by Auratix_ for "ban evading."
A prime example of immaturity within the staff team involving those who are deemed to be more mature and worthy to keep running a server. Grow up, guys.
A prime example of immaturity within the staff team involving those who are deemed to be more mature and worthy to keep running a server. Grow up, guys.
I do not need to grow up in fact. I am going at a really good pace on growing up.
"I would only want to talk to someone with more sense of manners." Bringing someone's demotion into this topic, and thinking somebody is a bad mod because of what you believe is a mistake?
Let me put it this way. I need a higher rank than a mod who does not assume. Who does comply to what i say. Lastly, who will not be in such a negative tone.
Let me put it this way. I need a higher rank than a mod who does not assume. Who does comply to what i say. Lastly, who will not be in such a negative tone.
No one has been negative to you unless it was a response on an insult, as in bringing up my demotion.
This is what i mean. Staff want the final word and that's it. You have had the experience so you still believe you need the final word. Maybe this is why you got demoted.
That's actually kind of disrespectful to Venomous considering you don't actually know what he was demoted for. You also just believe that all the staff continue to act high and mighty after their demotions (wanting a final word). I don't see much evidence to back up your claims. I've been on the staff team, yet I'm not in it to say the last word, I'm in it to justify. If that comes down to me having the last word, that's what it comes down to. If it doesn't, that's what it comes down to.
Let me put it this way. I need a higher rank than a mod who does not assume. Who does comply to what i say. Lastly, who will not be in such a negative tone.
That's actually kind of disrespectful to Venomous considering you don't actually know what he was demoted for. You also just believe that all the staff continue to act high and mighty after their demotions (wanting a final word). I don't see much evidence to back up your claims. I've been on the staff team, yet I'm not in it to say the last word, I'm in it to justify. If that comes down to me having the last word, that's what it comes down to. If it doesn't, that's what it comes down to.
Just to add on to what my said: Many staff after their demotions have left avicus and haven't looked back.
Therefore, since you were not 100% sure, it is logical that you assumed, no? Thereby proving my point.
My point is mostly irrelevant to the OP, but you can't call the staff out for something that you are doing (to a larger extent that any of the staff in this thread so far), whilst trying to argue against the staff.
This thread is quite funny to read if I'm honest :c but all I have to say is , stop looking at the past and focus on improving now. If I get involved in this flame I will cri
This thread is quite funny to read if I'm honest :c but all I have to say is , stop looking at the past and focus on improving now. If I get involved in this flame I will cri
Therefore, since you were not 100% sure, it is logical that you assumed, no? Thereby proving my point.
My point is mostly irrelevant to the OP, but you can't call the staff out for something that you are doing (to a larger extent that any of the staff in this thread so far), whilst trying to argue against the staff.
Uhh no. I did not assume. I am saying that could have been one of the reasons.
I have already explained why I kicked you. We have already had this conversation. There is no need to involve the public in a private matter. My Skype's SnowSX3. Add me there if you have any more questions.
This is not only referring to you. To all staff out there too.
I'm going to bring up a point here. No, staff are not treated equally all the time in terms of punishments, and that's a problem that needs to be fixed (if a staff member is legitimately breaking the rules). However, every time someone sees a staff members messing or joking around, they come to the conclusion that the staff member is bad, and is breaking the rules. @Vlad IIRC I was playing the Spanish dialogue in the Music Room (not in a regular chat) and people didn't complain. In fact, they seemed to enjoy it. I don't see how that, in any way, is breaking the rules. I guess the issue with Pop was cleared up, but I'll leave you to that. Anyways, what some people fail to realize is that we are playing a game. People come here to have a laugh and enjoy playing minecraft together. Staff members are a group of people who make sure everything is going smoothly so that everyone can enjoy their experiences on the server. This doesn't mean staff members have to always seem unapproachable and distant all the time. When any member of the staff teams finds themselves in a serious situation, they need to be mature, understanding, and somewhat assertive. However, on TeamSpeak, where most people are there to enjoy their time playing, it's completely fine for everyone to be relaxed, in addition to joking and generally having a good time.
I'm going to bring up a point here. No, staff are not treated equally all the time in terms of punishments, and that's a problem that needs to be fixed (if a staff member is legitimately breaking the rules). However, every time someone sees a staff members messing or joking around, they come to the conclusion that the staff member is bad, and is breaking the rules. @Vlad IIRC I was playing the Spanish dialogue in the Music Room (not in a regular chat) and people didn't complain. In fact, they seemed to enjoy it. I don't see how that, in any way, is breaking the rules. I guess the issue with Pop was cleared up, but I'll leave you to that. Anyways, what some people fail to realize is that we are playing a game. People come here to have a laugh and enjoy playing minecraft together. Staff members are a group of people who make sure everything is going smoothly so that everyone can enjoy their experiences on the server. This doesn't mean staff members have to always seem unapproachable and distant all the time. When any member of the staff teams finds themselves in a serious situation, they need to be mature, understanding, and somewhat assertive. However, on TeamSpeak, where most people are there to enjoy their time playing, it's completely fine for everyone to be relaxed, in addition to joking and generally having a good time.
This is what i mean. Staff want the final word and that's it. You have had the experience so you still believe you need the final word. Maybe this is why you got demoted.
The staff are trying to deal with the problem, and it really is common sense for you not to troll other players, build in front of spawn, block people breaking monuments etc. Also, for every player that has a good excuse for doing something that would normally not be allowed, there are 2 others that are just trolling for a laugh and won't stop unless you kick them. In addition, if a staff member were to ask you why you were doing it and then you had to respond back, that would dramatically increase the amount of time it would take to deal with a report, and less reports could be dealt with, which in turn will let more people get away with things that are punishable.
I'm going to bring up a point here. No, staff are not treated equally all the time in terms of punishments, and that's a problem that needs to be fixed (if a staff member is legitimately breaking the rules). However, every time someone sees a staff members messing or joking around, they come to the conclusion that the staff member is bad, and is breaking the rules. @Vlad IIRC I was playing the Spanish dialogue in the Music Room (not in a regular chat) and people didn't complain. In fact, they seemed to enjoy it. I don't see how that, in any way, is breaking the rules. I guess the issue with Pop was cleared up, but I'll leave you to that. Anyways, what some people fail to realize is that we are playing a game. People come here to have a laugh and enjoy playing minecraft together. Staff members are a group of people who make sure everything is going smoothly so that everyone can enjoy their experiences on the server. This doesn't mean staff members have to always seem unapproachable and distant all the time. When any member of the staff teams finds themselves in a serious situation, they need to be mature, understanding, and somewhat assertive. However, on TeamSpeak, where most people are there to enjoy their time playing, it's completely fine for everyone to be relaxed, in addition to joking and generally having a good time.
Sorry to interrupt. But in your opinion. Should staff assume a player was doing something bad?
This isn't a problem with one staff. It is with most of the staff. Who believe they have superiority over regular minecraft players and we need less of those staff. It is the same exact problem with the police dealing with racism. When it comes to an Officer or a regular person. Who do you believe has more control over the other? The Officer am i right? It is the same with with staff and a regular minecraft player.
In addition to this. When there is a problem with staff and a regular player, and if there are more staff in the lobby or game. The other staff have the right to step in to help, but what side do they mostly choose? The staffs position. They less likely choose the player with less power. Want to know why? I'm just going to tell you. You do not want to break the friendship with other staff and you also do not want to start a conflict with another player with superior power.
Staff are meant to enforce rules over players, making the server a safe and friendly environment to play on. They cannot, in any circumstances control other players, even if the player is breaking a rule (if they are, and even after being warned, they choose to continue, a punishment is issued, but even then, nobody is controlled) In the comparison you made with officers, the officers cannot show superiority. They are not above the law, they choose to enforce it, and to be a good role model, they themselves must follow those rules and regulations, otherwise they are fired (demoted if looking at this in a minecraft point of view) We are not above any other player, as we are all equal beings who are meant to help the reputation of the server, not obliterate it. I think maintaining a carefree attitude as a mod or any staff member in fact, is important. I try to always be friendly in a way that any other non staff member will talk to their friend online. Only then do I show strictness, when it is required to help maintain a high quality environment. Other than that, I joke around and have fun with other players. This responsibility as a mod is something that someone volunteers for, as long as they are fulfilling their duties, they can still be great community members as long as they aren't breaking rules themselves. (This is my honest opinion, nobody has forced me to say this if you think that way. :P ) Btw, sorry for bad sentence structure, it's 6 am and I haven't slept :P ~kammy
EDIT: While reading through these posts, it seems that based on the judgment of one staff member, all of them are now tyrants. If one of them messes up, I'm certain talking to them in a mature manner would help resolve the issue. Unfortunately, the route that people keep taking is the one where a mountain is made out of a molehill. Grudges are held, and frustration builds up. Is this seriously necessary when there is a much better option? It honestly concerns me...
Staff are meant to enforce rules over players, making the server a safe and friendly environment to play on. They cannot, in any circumstances control other players, even if the player is breaking a rule (if they are, and even after being warned, they choose to continue, a punishment is issued, but even then, nobody is controlled) In the comparison you made with officers, the officers cannot show superiority. They are not above the law, they choose to enforce it, and to be a good role model, they themselves must follow those rules and regulations, otherwise they are fired (demoted if looking at this in a minecraft point of view) We are not above any other player, as we are all equal beings who are meant to help the reputation of the server, not obliterate it. I think maintaining a carefree attitude as a mod or any staff member in fact, is important. I try to always be friendly in a way that any other non staff member will talk to their friend online. Only then do I show strictness, when it is required to help maintain a high quality environment. Other than that, I joke around and have fun with other players. This responsibility as a mod is something that someone volunteers for, as long as they are fulfilling their duties, they can still be great community members as long as they aren't breaking rules themselves. (This is my honest opinion, nobody has forced me to say this if you think that way. :P ) Btw, sorry for bad sentence structure, it's 6 am and I haven't slept :P ~kammy
EDIT: While reading through these posts, it seems that based on the judgment of one staff member, all of them are now tyrants. If one of them messes up, I'm certain talking to them in a mature manner would help resolve the issue. Unfortunately, the route that people keep taking is the one where a mountain is made out of a molehill. Grudges are held, and frustration builds up. Is this seriously necessary when there is a much better option? It honestly concerns me...
Clap Clap Clap. Mod of the century. We need more Mod's like you. I like how you mentioned. Show strictness if required. "required" Not all Mod's are like that. Many think they have more power than others.
I cant right now because i am done playing on Avicus for today. But maybe tomorrow. How does that sound. I have witness it myself, but you want to know so ill try to take screenshots.
Clap Clap Clap. Mod of the century. We need more Mod's like you. I like how you mentioned. Show strictness if required. "required" Not all Mod's are like that. Many think they have more power than others.
Strictness isn't necessarily something you choose to do. I'm strict not because I want to be a powerful jackass, I do it because I truly don't want a player to repeat something they did wrong.
If a staff sees a someone placing a block down somewhere there not suppose to. Say if it lead to the obi. Should the staff assume that it is team grief?
Strictness isn't necessarily something you choose to do. I'm strict not because I want to be a powerful jackass, I do it because I truly don't want a player to repeat something they did wrong.
Fire and Fire does not work. Never fixes any situation. It is better for the Mod. to stay calm on situations they do not need to be strict.
If a staff sees a someone placing a block down somewhere there not suppose to. Say if it lead to the obi. Should the staff assume that it is team grief?
This discssion has pretty much ended. Again, my Skype's SnowSX3 if you wish to talk about why I punished you.
Strict as a matter of fact means to enforce something to others who will not listen. This could teach them not to do it in the future or can teach anyone else that is there listening to the conversation.
Strict as a matter of fact means to enforce something to others who will not listen. This could teach them not to do it in the future or can teach anyone else that is there listening to the conversation.
You just proved my point. Nothing in your comment had anything to do with flaming. :P
Okay, this post has gone way off topic, but from what I've read it's pretty much a complaint about your kick.
I said this before, but there is no way we can tell whether you monument blocked intentionally. Therefore Snow had to make an overall call, and decide on what to do.
Moderating is much like reffing a game. You have to make many calls, and sometimes you can't tell what happened exactly. Therefore you make an educated decision on whether to call it or not. They will not always make the right call, and this is unavoidable. It will always happen.
Okay, this post has gone way off topic, but from what I've read it's pretty much a complaint about your kick.
I said this before, but there is no way we can tell whether you monument blocked intentionally. Therefore Snow had to make an overall call, and decide on what to do.
Moderating is much like reffing a game. You have to make many calls, and sometimes you can't tell what happened exactly. Therefore you make an educated decision on whether to call it or not. They will not always make the right call, and this is unavoidable. It will always happen.
No. Not about my kick. I mentioned it plenty of times.
I have already explained why I kicked you. We have already had this conversation. There is no need to involve the public in a private matter. My Skype's SnowSX3. Add me there if you have any more questions.
oh lol, this guy's still complaining about that kick?
Okay, this post has gone way off topic, but from what I've read it's pretty much a complaint about your kick.
I said this before, but there is no way we can tell whether you monument blocked intentionally. Therefore Snow had to make an overall call, and decide on what to do.
Moderating is much like reffing a game. You have to make many calls, and sometimes you can't tell what happened exactly. Therefore you make an educated decision on whether to call it or not. They will not always make the right call, and this is unavoidable. It will always happen.
No. Not about my kick. I mentioned it plenty of times.
Being a mod or staff means more prioritizing to who is on top. The admins are on the top and are the most influential to new players. That being said you get respect from them and their helpers(mods) by following the rules. If you break a rule, you will not get a lot of respect and that is in a motion that can be kick, warn, ban, etc. If a higher up is seen as disrespectful to the player base in one or more ways they will loose their respect and get a demotion or on avicus a spank in the bottom. If a higher up doesn't act as a leader during this time the player base will see him/her unfit as a leader and will want someone who has the characteristics. Everyone reacts to different character traits. I can act like a goof ball and silly and not many people will care. A mod or higher up does that? He/she will be treated as unfit for the position. I literally just quoted the Mods v Player base section in another server. What that is saying is no. Mods are praised higher from the start if new players come onto the server while donators can be generalized by new players as the best pvpers.Everyone gets a start at being introduced and later you will be socialized by the way you act on Avicus services such as the server, forums, ts. It might not look fair but it is. Different elements get thrown into the way and boom, people are praised higher
I can slowly see the staff team actually improving, the last few days, I have seen more reports getting noticed, more quicker, and I can see less moderators being biased. So just stop. I want to thank you, the moderators for putting your time and effort on the server, even though the journey was rough before, it is becoming smoother. I do not want you guys to stop improving but if you can keep on improving staff like this, I can see Avicus having more players, also you will need to sort issues like Block Lag. I don't want to sugarcoat this, just improve, have fun, and if you need anything from me, any help or advice, contact me ^.^
Hmm, dude, just stop eh ^.^ Being a nice guy and all, could you just stop and admit to the fact that you were monument blocking eh ^.^ Not trying to be mean, I don't like being mean :c
I can slowly see the staff team actually improving, the last few days, I have seen more reports getting noticed, more quicker, and I can see less moderators being biased. So just stop. I want to thank you, the moderators for putting your time and effort on the server, even though the journey was rough before, it is becoming smoother. I do not want you guys to stop improving but if you can keep on improving staff like this, I can see Avicus having more players, also you will need to sort issues like Block Lag. I don't want to sugarcoat this, just improve, have fun, and if you need anything from me, any help or advice, contact me ^.^
Ok im going to lock this because it has gone way off topic.
locking...
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