ScreenSharing on Public by PSV August 18, 2017 at 2:08 AM UTC
edit- unbanned. Hey, so I was recently banned for reduced kb, which was a false ban because I honestly play legit and someone just took a 54 second recording of me with low ms, not taking a lot of knockback. Basically, the only thing I'd like to bring up is screensharing. Hear me out when I say that an enormous part of the pvp community are HCF players, and on that gamemode all staff are required to at least know the basics of screensharing. Now, I know that the owners don't like the idea of ss'ing because I assume privacy is a big factor. My response to that is TOO BAD. If you refuse to screenshare on HCF you're fucking banned m8.However, I think the server will seriously thrive if we just implement some basic screensharing. It's not even that difficult, because if one staff member acquires knowledge (which is not even that difficult to learn) of it then they can make an instruction manual and share it with the other staff. Also, one thing I must add is that if staff lock this thread, that honestly proves they are scared to advance their server.
Literally a bunch of people using autoclickers or vape could be reading this thread right now and no one could stop them. I hate to say it but fuck it I'm banned: literally anyone could be staff on Avicus. JUST BE RESPONSIBLE AND UR HIRED KIDS. We need a barrier between what makes staff who they are and what makes the players feel like they aren't pvping against a cheater all the time. Anyways, this is probably not going to convince staff at all but it's worth a shot lmao. Maybe I'll get unbanned, but honestly there's no way to prove I'm legit than just telling you and being honest.
also i really don't expect anyone to read that whole thing, but if u did then ur a minecraft gang member
GITHANOS3 August 18, 2017 at 2:08 AM UTC
just appealprofbananaslug August 18, 2017 at 3:08 AM UTC
can we see the videothespina August 18, 2017 at 3:08 AM UTC
im a minecraft gang memberpiratewithgun August 18, 2017 at 6:08 AM UTC
Show me the videocellish August 18, 2017 at 7:08 AM UTC
leak the evidenceOCDs August 18, 2017 at 7:08 AM UTC
this dude is legitNatssumi August 18, 2017 at 8:08 AM UTC
SS'ing you after close the minecraft its not logic , you can edit whatever you want and delete all the proofs , so its not the way to appealXtraMajestical August 18, 2017 at 8:08 AM UTC
PSV, I have tried many times, but the owners dis-approvegyalchester August 18, 2017 at 8:08 AM UTC
Ummm the answer is pretty obvious... JUST DAB ON THEM HATERS_Nathy August 18, 2017 at 8:08 AM UTC
Careful bro you got banned by Shadowolf, he might include you in his next videoLFT August 18, 2017 at 10:08 AM UTC
Screensharing... been brought up so many times and it's not implemented for public matches (competitive matches, tournaments, players can be ss'd). I understand, trust me I do, but I honestly understand the Owners reasons as to why we shouldn't do it.I like the idea of screensharing, however I dont feel it will "advance the server". It's not something that is going to make the network 3x better. You have to keep in mind that now a days, anyone could be cheating, even the WORST players. Plus, the 'basics' of screensharing will not get you anywhere. Some players have been cheating for years and have not been caught on other servers, so why would they get caught here if we only know the basics?
I get what you're trying to say, however I don't think it will get implemented for the public side. But, who knows, maybe the owners will change their mind.
Tazz August 18, 2017 at 10:08 AM UTC
Legit 5 people can ss here and only 1 is staff or somethingKylo says screensharing breaks the tos so it isn't happening
Zeusy August 18, 2017 at 10:08 AM UTC
Legit 5 people can ss here and only 1 is staff or something
Kylo says screensharing breaks the tos so it isn't happening
Czco August 18, 2017 at 11:08 AM UTC
Add public screen sharing its really not to hard to get the mods to learn, plus people say that to many people get ban a day to screen share them all but most of obvious people own up to hacking as they couldn't care less about the server, but as many people say its been brought up loads so i don't see why this thread will help but good luck!PSV August 18, 2017 at 11:08 AM UTC
SS'ing you after close the minecraft its not logic , you can edit whatever you want and delete all the proofs , so its not the way to appeal
Wahiz August 18, 2017 at 12:08 PM UTC
No point in this thread tbhzero9178 August 18, 2017 at 1:08 PM UTC
Legit 5 people can ss here and only 1 is staff or something
Kylo says screensharing breaks the tos so it isn't happening
Xuph August 18, 2017 at 2:08 PM UTC
One thing I never understood is how the fuck does it invade privacypeople that know what they're doing when ssing, get to the minecraft folder through the in game functionality of going into the resource pack folder in the resource pack menu. That eliminates any need of a process from opening a desktop and having to type the app data thing. I'm quite certain that people don't keep their credit card number or download porn to their minecraft folder, so I don't see how it's a problem or invades privacy in any way
SnowSX3 August 18, 2017 at 2:08 PM UTC
We need a barrier between what makes staff who they are and what makes the players feel like they aren't pvping against a cheater all the time.What would this barrier consist of?
You mention how anyone can be staff and how nothing separating staff and players is a bad thing.
I'm curious as to why you think that?
Cow_Man06 August 18, 2017 at 9:08 PM UTC
I support screen sharing but saying "honestly proves they are scared to advance their server" is one of the dumbest things ever to say.PSV August 18, 2017 at 11:08 PM UTC
I support screen sharing but saying "honestly proves they are scared to advance their server" is one of the dumbest things ever to say.
Cow_Man06 August 19, 2017 at 12:08 AM UTC
it's cool u disagree, but it's honestly true at this point. i just want staff to try out new things which could attract others to the server.
Wahiz August 19, 2017 at 8:08 PM UTC
it's cool u disagree, but it's honestly true at this point. i just want staff to try out new things which could attract others to the server.
Rombeyy August 19, 2017 at 8:08 PM UTC
dont even try, i spended 2 weeks arguing with the staff and they keep being in the same dumb position, plus most of them dont even know what ss is or what you are suppoasted to dopinksheps August 19, 2017 at 9:08 PM UTC
"Leak the clip and get demoted from banned"-
pinksheps August 19, 2017 at 9:08 PM UTC
wait how do we know there is actual evidence of his bani bet shadow got gg10ed and ez ban
dev_revs August 19, 2017 at 10:08 PM UTC
wait how do we know there is actual evidence of his ban
i bet shadow got gg10ed and ez ban
LFT August 19, 2017 at 10:08 PM UTC
dont even try, i spended 2 weeks arguing with the staff and they keep being in the same dumb position, plus most of them dont even know what ss is or what you are suppoasted to do
We're not being ignorant or 'in the same dumb position', we're being logical. It makes more sense to have screenshares happen on the competitive side more then public side. Yes, players do closet cheat on public, however players also want to win a tournament. So, they will cheat to do so. It's like going for a Citadel or EOTW cap, you try to find new ways of cheating the system, whether it's freezing your mc, cobwebbing yourself or even using anti-kb. You will do ANYTHING to win.
PSV August 19, 2017 at 11:08 PM UTC
Don't think majority of the people that bring up screensharing actually know how to do it. There are only a few 'good' people at screensharing, and that is Vykz, and ItzTekk Both of which, have been doing it for years and have client developers working with their server owners to find clients a lot easier. Everyone believes that screensharing is something easy, it's really not. Players that have cheated for a while actually know how to get away from these 'basic' screenshares. It is something that would take to much time, and there are only 1-2 people on the staff team that know how to screenshare, which I believe are Spoookeh and Myself.
We're not being ignorant or 'in the same dumb position', we're being logical. It makes more sense to have screenshares happen on the competitive side more then public side. Yes, players do closet cheat on public, however players also want to win a tournament. So, they will cheat to do so. It's like going for a Citadel or EOTW cap, you try to find new ways of cheating the system, whether it's freezing your mc, cobwebbing yourself or even using anti-kb. You will do ANYTHING to win.
SnowSX3 August 19, 2017 at 11:08 PM UTC
LFT i'm sorry but you're wrong. There are not only a few good screensharers. Basically all staff on Arcane, PotPvP, MineHQ, Ultra, ThePark, Velt, PvPLounge, Valux, etc know how to screen share well because there are manuals on how to find different clients that people like Vykz create and share with the other staff. Also, Vykz and Tekk are pretty good but not the best at ss'ing. I'd say the best screensharers are Phrasing and Tene. Also, some people don't have a team and can't get on one, so pub is their only way to play avic and so it means just as much to them as a tourney would mean to tourney players. Therefore, they cheat.
PSV August 19, 2017 at 11:08 PM UTC
LFT is referring to the staff team on Avicus.
SnowSX3 August 19, 2017 at 11:08 PM UTC
Wow Snow, I didn't know Vykz and ItzTekk were on the Avicus staff team.
"there are only 1-2 people on the staff team that know how to screenshare,"
Sorry for the confusion.
PSV August 19, 2017 at 11:08 PM UTC
I was referencing this bit
"there are only 1-2 people on the staff team that know how to screenshare,"
Sorry for the confusion.
Wahiz August 20, 2017 at 12:08 AM UTC
It's okay kind sir.
Seuthy ?
LFT August 20, 2017 at 12:08 PM UTC
LFT i'm sorry but you're wrong. There are not only a few good screensharers. Basically all staff on Arcane, PotPvP, MineHQ, Ultra, ThePark, Velt, PvPLounge, Valux, etc know how to screen share well because there are manuals on how to find different clients that people like Vykz create and share with the other staff. Also, Vykz and Tekk are pretty good but not the best at ss'ing. I'd say the best screensharers are Phrasing and Tene. Also, some people don't have a team and can't get on one, so pub is their only way to play avic and so it means just as much to them as a tourney would mean to tourney players. Therefore, they cheat.
I dont care about who is who is the best screensharer anyways, I was using it as an example to prove it's not as easy as you're making it out to be. I've played HCF for 4 years and have been staff on several servers, including Badlion and Kohi.Even with that experience, I still don't know how to find a lot of things.
PieZ August 20, 2017 at 6:08 PM UTC
No one has a say if screen share happens on a public server except one person. The staff aren't scared of doing it same with the person that does not want it.iDiamondPorkchop August 22, 2017 at 6:08 PM UTC
lol psv u got bannedWahiz August 22, 2017 at 7:08 PM UTC
lol psv u got banned
iDiamondPorkchop August 22, 2017 at 8:08 PM UTC
You've got 4 bans though
PSV August 22, 2017 at 9:08 PM UTC
you're not relevant tho. also that's the joke, psv always jokes ab my bans and he got banned now LOL
Clickn August 22, 2017 at 10:08 PM UTC
We can probably skid Cheatsmasher or get it and then catch dem pesky closet cheaters with it,yeah, theres alot of closet cheaters around, and I believe we should screenshare, I dont think we should do it in like Public, but rather in Scrims and Official Tournaments. Its quite easy to screenshare a person, just follow Tenebrous's techniques and bam, u get em, U CANT ESCAPE TENEBROUS
RATTLEWARRIOR August 23, 2017 at 2:08 AM UTC
I love how me PSV and finesse all got banned by shadowolfyt. He's finding my friends and having these Junior mods get them bannedPSV August 23, 2017 at 4:08 AM UTC
I love how me PSV and finesse all got banned by shadowolfyt. He's finding my friends and having these Junior mods get them banned
RATTLEWARRIOR August 23, 2017 at 5:08 AM UTC
Although I don't cheat, I can see how Shadow was doing his job even if I am a legit player. He's a chill guy if you actually get to exchange words with him. As for your ban, that was just you being stupid so don't blame it on him because any staff member would have banned you.
PSV August 23, 2017 at 5:08 AM UTC
Ik it's the appealing part tho
RATTLEWARRIOR August 23, 2017 at 2:08 PM UTC
Shadow has been chill about my appeal as well. Things are getting resolved quickly.
Wahiz August 23, 2017 at 2:08 PM UTC
I wanna see the evidenceLFT August 24, 2017 at 1:08 AM UTC
We can probably skid Cheatsmasher or get it and then catch dem pesky closet cheaters with it,
yeah, theres alot of closet cheaters around, and I believe we should screenshare, I dont think we should do it in like Public, but rather in Scrims and Official Tournaments. Its quite easy to screenshare a person, just follow Tenebrous's techniques and bam, u get em, U CANT ESCAPE TENEBROUS
dev_revs August 24, 2017 at 1:08 AM UTC
I love how me PSV and finesse all got banned by shadowolfyt. He's finding my friends and having these Junior mods get them banned
RATTLEWARRIOR August 24, 2017 at 1:08 AM UTC
that's because shadow is the scapegoat for all the other mods who don't want to do the dirty work.
shadowolfyt August 24, 2017 at 2:08 AM UTC
Alright, I’m going to clear up what you have all said and then we are done with this topic, no more talking about it, it’s already more off topic than it actually is.
“I believe we should screenshare, I dont think we should do it in like Public, but rather in Scrims and Official Tournaments.”
We do Screenshare on Avicus as me, LFT and many staff members have explained. We only Screenshare in OFFICIAL events, there is no need to screen share on Scrim servers and public. Keenan (one of the owners of Avicus) has made it quite clear that he does not want screen sharing implemented into his network, as it violates the user's privacy.
“I love how me PSV and finesse all got banned by shadowolfyt. He's finding my friends and having these Junior mods get them banned”
This is incorrect, us as a staff team voted for all of these punishments, I have just been the person to take the go ahead and punish them. I don’t mind what toxicity or hate comes my way because I would rather take the heat and not the rest of the team.
“that's because shadow is the scapegoat for all the other mods who don't want to do the dirty work.”
This statement is not true, our team does a great job at what it does. The Moderators have the ability and can do it, but as I stated before, I don’t mind what toxicity or hate comes my way because I would rather take the heat and not the rest of the team.
I care about this community and this staff team and as a team, some of us must make sacrifices to advance and move on, I myself do that for this team.
“I think the reason I can't use email is because shadow uses my email to monitor my forum posts”
Okay, the last thing I want to clear up here. 1, I don’t have access to [email protected] so I don’t even know if you email them or not. 2, in no way shape or form can I use your email (even if I knew what it was) to monitor your forum posts.
Guys, I really hope this has cleared up this off topic conversation. If you have any further comments, please feel free to message me on Discord (shadowolf#9212).
All other comments that are off topic to the Screen sharing topic from this point will be archived.
Thanks.
Xuph August 24, 2017 at 12:08 PM UTC
Can a mod or senior staff refer to my comment from page 1 please and explain how by what I said screen sharing invades privacy.Tazz August 24, 2017 at 1:08 PM UTC
Don't think majority of the people that bring up screensharing actually know how to do it. There are only a few 'good' people at screensharing, and that is Vykz, and ItzTekk Both of which, have been doing it for years and have client developers working with their server owners to find clients a lot easier. Everyone believes that screensharing is something easy, it's really not. Players that have cheated for a while actually know how to get away from these 'basic' screenshares. It is something that would take to much time, and there are only 1-2 people on the staff team that know how to screenshare, which I believe are Spoookeh and Myself.
We're not being ignorant or 'in the same dumb position', we're being logical. It makes more sense to have screenshares happen on the competitive side more then public side. Yes, players do closet cheat on public, however players also want to win a tournament. So, they will cheat to do so. It's like going for a Citadel or EOTW cap, you try to find new ways of cheating the system, whether it's freezing your mc, cobwebbing yourself or even using anti-kb. You will do ANYTHING to win.
Tazz August 24, 2017 at 1:08 PM UTC
We can probably skid Cheatsmasher or get it and then catch dem pesky closet cheaters with it,
yeah, theres alot of closet cheaters around, and I believe we should screenshare, I dont think we should do it in like Public, but rather in Scrims and Official Tournaments. Its quite easy to screenshare a person, just follow Tenebrous's techniques and bam, u get em, U CANT ESCAPE TENEBROUS
Cheatsmasher won't catch anything now lol it's like 2 years old
Why would we have to skid it it's released hello?
Myworld6 August 24, 2017 at 11:08 PM UTC
Can a mod or senior staff refer to my comment from page 1 please and explain how by what I said screen sharing invades privacy.
When screensharing is requested, the suspect is given a choice; either submit to SSing, or be banned from the server. In forcing the suspect to engage in something they are willing to do, they are acting under duress, something which is classified as a crime under US law. In forcing someone to give consent for their privacy to be invaded (be it minor or major as the case may be), the one carrying out the screensharing is violating the law and therefore is subject to criminal charges should they be caught or reported.
Now, you may be wondering why anyone would bother reporting such a minor violation (if you view it as minor). Regardless of how minor or major the violation, doing so is a crime, and can still be punished, be it by a fine or disciplinary action.
It's been a while since I left the team and the server as a whole so I'm not sure exactly how accurate my interpretation of this is, but I think this is more or less the gist of it.
LFT August 25, 2017 at 1:08 AM UTC
ItzTekk? no way he still plays? do you mean Tene?
Xuph August 25, 2017 at 1:08 AM UTC
Not a mod anymore, but this is pretty much the basis for not allowing screensharing:
When screensharing is requested, the suspect is given a choice; either submit to SSing, or be banned from the server. In forcing the suspect to engage in something they are willing to do, they are acting under duress, something which is classified as a crime under US law. In forcing someone to give consent for their privacy to be invaded (be it minor or major as the case may be), the one carrying out the screensharing is violating the law and therefore is subject to criminal charges should they be caught or reported.
Now, you may be wondering why anyone would bother reporting such a minor violation (if you view it as minor). Regardless of how minor or major the violation, doing so is a crime, and can still be punished, be it by a fine or disciplinary action.
It's been a while since I left the team and the server as a whole so I'm not sure exactly how accurate my interpretation of this is, but I think this is more or less the gist of it.
i get it that it's technically by law not allowed but:
1. As I said you do not invade privacy because you go to the minecraft folder through in game functionality, there is no invading privacy in an in game folder.
2. Also as I said there has been no incident involving law regarding screen sharing so
PSV August 25, 2017 at 5:08 AM UTC
Yet still all servers hosted in America do it, and there has never been any single incident with law involved regarding screen sharing on online Lego.
i get it that it's technically by law not allowed but:
1. As I said you do not invade privacy because you go to the minecraft folder through in game functionality, there is no invading privacy in an in game folder.
2. Also as I said there has been no incident involving law regarding screen sharing so
Myworld6 August 25, 2017 at 10:08 AM UTC
Yet still all servers hosted in America do it, and there has never been any single incident with law involved regarding screen sharing on online Lego.
i get it that it's technically by law not allowed but:
1. As I said you do not invade privacy because you go to the minecraft folder through in game functionality, there is no invading privacy in an in game folder.
2. Also as I said there has been no incident involving law regarding screen sharing so
KojaCola August 25, 2017 at 10:08 AM UTC
Ok here's my view on this:Its pointless to teach all the mods how to screenshare because there are many other good ways to find out if a person is hacking. Mods are trained to ban hackers after getting enough evidence, which means that if you think someone is hacking, just gather evidence, which is a much more harmless way of banning someone. It takes too long to screenshare and if someone has to go, does that mean they will be banned? Languages. During one of the tournaments, different languages came into play which means that it would take longer, or the player being screenshared would not understand what is going on, which is stressful, and unproductive. The aftereffect. Lets say, someone gets screenshared, and they didn't have anything showing them having hacks. They could easily leak the way the screenshare takes place, and could joke about it with other players, making the public screensharing look like an unprofessional joke. Not many screenshares would even take place. Who would we actually screenshare? Avicus regulars? I have never found the need or want the power to screenshare in public, as players who are reported are either blatant or Avicus regulars. In the rare occurance that someone was suspicious but mods couldn't get enough evidence (which is unlikely), then screenshares would be helpful, but I doubt mods have ever faced this. In general, screenshares aren't easy to do, and would take practice, and lots of retraining, which we don't have time for. It's much better for mods to just gather evidence, so that it's easier in appeals and to discuss with other moderators.
Ok thats enough ranting for now
Tazz August 25, 2017 at 12:08 PM UTC
I meant Tene, I just thought of Tekk. Don't really know why haha
imryaan August 25, 2017 at 1:08 PM UTC
Yet still all servers hosted in America do it, and there has never been any single incident with law involved regarding screen sharing on online Lego.
i get it that it's technically by law not allowed but:
1. As I said you do not invade privacy because you go to the minecraft folder through in game functionality, there is no invading privacy in an in game folder.
2. Also as I said there has been no incident involving law regarding screen sharing so
Xuph August 25, 2017 at 1:08 PM UTC
Please do not create or attempt to create jokes, or funny pictures with text, can also be referred to as "memes", about a serious topic like this, which involves the law, and is prohibited by the law of Minnesota.
Thank out in advance.
LFT August 26, 2017 at 11:08 AM UTC
Damn man my boy tekk that's way back 2k14 shit
Wahiz August 26, 2017 at 1:08 PM UTC
Why is this still a thing. It was discussed 100 times alreadyRombeyy August 26, 2017 at 11:08 PM UTC
Ok here's my view on this:
Its pointless to teach all the mods how to screenshare because there are many other good ways to find out if a person is hacking. Mods are trained to ban hackers after getting enough evidence, which means that if you think someone is hacking, just gather evidence, which is a much more harmless way of banning someone. It takes too long to screenshare and if someone has to go, does that mean they will be banned? Languages. During one of the tournaments, different languages came into play which means that it would take longer, or the player being screenshared would not understand what is going on, which is stressful, and unproductive. The aftereffect. Lets say, someone gets screenshared, and they didn't have anything showing them having hacks. They could easily leak the way the screenshare takes place, and could joke about it with other players, making the public screensharing look like an unprofessional joke. Not many screenshares would even take place. Who would we actually screenshare? Avicus regulars? I have never found the need or want the power to screenshare in public, as players who are reported are either blatant or Avicus regulars. In the rare occurance that someone was suspicious but mods couldn't get enough evidence (which is unlikely), then screenshares would be helpful, but I doubt mods have ever faced this. In general, screenshares aren't easy to do, and would take practice, and lots of retraining, which we don't have time for. It's much better for mods to just gather evidence, so that it's easier in appeals and to discuss with other moderators.
Ok thats enough ranting for now
BoldAndBrash August 26, 2017 at 11:08 PM UTC
Damn so many dumb things that I could argue about, but if I do I would get banned
IndigoHawkins August 27, 2017 at 3:08 AM UTC
Minecraft is a pvp machine. Please stop. Stopping will result in an immediate stop. Stop now. By the words of george washington: "Grab them by the hand, i don't even eat cereal" he died on march 4th 1944 when nazi germany built and fabricated jake paul's insane dabbing technique, and according to scientific research.Rombeyy September 8, 2017 at 9:09 PM UTC
If we punished for debating points, you'd be banned by now. You're fine to argue your points, although there isn't much of a point.