Constructive Comedy and Censorship by DonaldMyTrump October 1, 2015 at 4:10 AM UTC
Greetings fellow avicus player. I am YouCantCMe better known as Zac. I have created this post to express my concern over the two issues presented in the title of this thread. Constructive comedy is comedy that relates to a sensitive topic usually taking the less agreed upon or more radical side as to present that topic in a new light that not only allows recipients of these jokes to take these matters with more grace but also to shine a new light upon these issues. Constructive comedy is often confused with immaturity when in fact it is only by addressing and moving past these issues can we truly put them to rest. Censorship destroys the opportunity for constructive comedy in attempts to ignore these issues until we forget about them, a rather impractical notion. Censorship can also be used correctley to protect people who would feel emotional trauma from experiencing these more offensive types of comedy. However the way to go about this would be by designating a select area where these constructive comedy pieces can be shared without risk of running into more sensitive recipients rather than removing the right to discuss these topics as a whole. Irl these people go to designated shows, clubs or websites to distribute their content to consumers who readily accept it. This same idea should be used in avicus TS as well as the forums. There should be designated sections of TS where users can go to discuss these issues through comedy unhindered. The forums should also ask you permission to show more explicit content, if denied permission certain topics will not be viewable to that specific user but will remain available for others. Thanks for your time.DonaldMyTrump October 1, 2015 at 4:10 AM UTC
Examples of Constructive Comedy reach far and wide, wether it be bringing racial tensions into the spotlight, to the the modern day terror scare or even the capitalist over advertsing and excessive branding of John Cena.JOHN_CENAAAAAAAA October 1, 2015 at 5:10 AM UTC
they had a place for that called 18+ but some mod got butthurt from a 9/11 joke or something so they decided to get rid of it completely. however, they apparently allowed racism again but then this "rule update" makes it illegal again.ok
SnowSX3 October 1, 2015 at 11:10 AM UTC
If you don't like the rules here, go somewhere else.Or, if you want to stay, learn to abide by the rules.
We're not going to let racism and immaturity allowed just because a couple of people are throwing their toys out if their cot because they can't be racist immature idiots.
Spartemex October 1, 2015 at 12:10 PM UTC
As you said, there are places in real life for this. Avicus is a server for people of all ages, - with some exceptions in certain areas - for everyone. We have these rules in place so that most of the people served can have a good time. Not just so that a few can have a good time at the expense of others.NolanDalton October 1, 2015 at 12:10 PM UTC
As you said, there are places in real life for this. Avicus is a server for people of all ages, - with some exceptions in certain areas - for everyone. We have these rules in place so that most of the people served can have a good time. Not just so that a few can have a good time at the expense of others.
DonaldMyTrump October 1, 2015 at 1:10 PM UTC
If you don't like the rules here, go somewhere else.
Or, if you want to stay, learn to abide by the rules.
We're not going to let racism and immaturity allowed just because a couple of people are throwing their toys out if their cot because they can't be racist immature idiots.
2. Please stop harassing me and my friends on the forums.
3. Who is we? You ain't staff, get used to it.
4. You clearly didn't read the whole post please do so, become educated and come back here with a helpful response k thx.
DonaldMyTrump October 1, 2015 at 1:10 PM UTC
As you said, there are places in real life for this. Avicus is a server for people of all ages, - with some exceptions in certain areas - for everyone. We have these rules in place so that most of the people served can have a good time. Not just so that a few can have a good time at the expense of others.
SnowSX3 October 1, 2015 at 1:10 PM UTC
1. First statement made no sense.
2. Please stop harassing me and my friends on the forums.
3. Who is we? You ain't staff, get used to it.
4. You clearly didn't read the whole post please do so, become educated and come back here with a helpful response k thx.
If you believe I am harrassing you, please feel free to send in an online report on the forums, don't forget the evidence.
When I used the term "we" it wasn't in representation of the staff team (because as you said, I'm no longer a staff member) it was in representation of the community.
I don't see how you thought I was considering myself as part of the staff team because as you can see, I have retired from that position.
I did take the time to read your post before commenting.
DonaldMyTrump October 1, 2015 at 1:10 PM UTC
My apologies, I forgot one word in that first statement, I have since edited it appropriately. It does beg the question however how you were unable to understand the point of that first staement, regardless if it was missing a word or not. Considering that is was a fairly simple statement to interpret.
If you believe I am harrassing you, please feel free to send in an online report on the forums, don't forget the evidence.
When I used the term "we" it wasn't in representation of the staff team (because as you said, I'm no longer a staff member) it was in representation of the community.
I don't see how you thought I was considering myself as part of the staff team because as you can see, I have retired from that position.
I did take the time to read your post before commenting.
The community can't stop me only staff can nor are you a spokesperson for them. Refer to your opinions as just your own not those of the community.
You are harassing me just like you did as mod, and I have sent in several reports to no avail.
I did understand your statement despite the missing word but I choose to ignore petty jabs so I didn't address it further.
SnowSX3 October 1, 2015 at 2:10 PM UTC
You clearly didn't read as in my post I make it clear the point is not racism it is bringing these issues in today's society into the light.
The community can't stop me only staff can nor are you a spokesperson for them. Refer to your opinions as just your own not those of the community.
You are harassing me just like you did as mod, and I have sent in several reports to no avail.
I did understand your statement despite the missing word but I choose to ignore petty jabs so I didn't address it further.
It's quite puzzling how you contradicted yourself twice...
Also, If you send those reports with legitimate evidence, I'm positive that they'll be more of a success than your previous attempts. Considering I don't aim to harass people, it will be interesting to see the evidence you provide during the appeal process should the report go through.
But I'm going off on a tangent, lets talk about "constructive comedy" shall we?
I don't see this being accepted on Avicus for a number of reasons. Firstly, the estimated demographic of the players on Avicus is approximately 12-18 give or take.
Now, the majority of people who play on Avicus are above making light of serious situations. Considering people are not even interested in talking about serious events in a comedic fashion, I don't see your proposed idea being accepted within a Minecraft gaming community that's geared towards kids.
People here simply have more respect than you about serious situations and because they show respect about these situations, your idea won't gel well with a Minecraft gaming community.
DonaldMyTrump October 1, 2015 at 2:10 PM UTC
If you chose not to address it further, why did you address it further by responding with "first statement makes no sense"? This quote is also inaccurate considering you just said "I did understand your statement despite missing a word"
It's quite puzzling how you contradicted yourself twice...
Also, If you send those reports with legitimate evidence, I'm positive that they'll be more of a success than your previous attempts. Considering I don't aim to harass people, it will be interesting to see the evidence you provide during the appeal process should the report go through.
But I'm going off on a tangent, lets talk about "constructive comedy" shall we?
I don't see this being accepted on Avicus for a number of reasons. Firstly, the estimated demographic of the players on Avicus is approximately 12-18 give or take.
Now, the majority of people who play on Avicus are above making light of serious situations. Considering people are not even interested in talking about serious events in a comedic fashion, I don't see your proposed idea being accepted within a Minecraft gaming community that's geared towards kids.
People here simply have more respect than you about serious situations and because they show respect about these situations, your idea won't gel well with a Minecraft gaming community.
At no point did I contradict myself, you must be confused.
I send in multiple reports with evidence often times it is ignored or gets replied to saying that its not enough.
The community of avicus is geared towards many age groups. As clearly shown by there being sn 18+ chat. Although it is subjective and others are allowed to join the topics discussed there are meant to be discussed with people 18 years or older.
Some people are interested in talking about sensitive topics in a comedic fashion, you just like to project your own views upon the entire community. Please stop speaking for the community just speak for yourself.
Itsameekizzii October 1, 2015 at 2:10 PM UTC
Please lock this.DonaldMyTrump October 1, 2015 at 3:10 PM UTC
Please lock this.
Glitchaye October 1, 2015 at 3:10 PM UTC
Please make this happen. Players should decide if they want a more "mature" ts or forum. It should be a players choice what content they wish to view.Itsameekizzii October 1, 2015 at 4:10 PM UTC
No. I am breaking no rules, insulting no one nor am I doing anything inappropriate. I am simply having a reasonable conversation.
DonaldMyTrump October 1, 2015 at 4:10 PM UTC
No, but when you argue with people it gets nowhere, we need to de-escalate.
ClubberNugget October 1, 2015 at 5:10 PM UTC
I feel the rule shouldn't be no or yes, i think that it depends on the consent of the group.If the entire group in the 18+ chat is okay with joking about serious topics, then go for it, who gives a crap?
Now if your in the group and you make a joke and a guy in the chat doesn't like it, i think that the group should be considerate about it.
Like joking around about 9/11 when a guy in the chat was a victim or was related to a victim of 9/11, then it may be insensitive to joke about it.
Now you may think, oh, the offended guy should just leave the chat, well maybe he is talking with friends and doesn't want to leave the chat? Then the guy can ask to stop the 9/11 jokes, simple, now its up to the group if they are mature enough to consent to that request, if they are not, then the offended guy can leave and talk to other people. I don't think this is a matter to be defined by one set of rules, i think the users of TS should decide if they are all okay with constructive comedy.
Now if they abuse someone because they know they don't like it, then that's a different story, but it seems the goal of the post is not to harass people with constructive comedy so i see no problem with it as long as the group consents to it.
DonaldMyTrump October 1, 2015 at 5:10 PM UTC
I feel the rule shouldn't be no or yes, i think that it depends on the consent of the group.
If the entire group in the 18+ chat is okay with joking about serious topics, then go for it, who gives a crap?
Now if your in the group and you make a joke and a guy in the chat doesn't like it, i think that the group should be considerate about it.
Like joking around about 9/11 when a guy in the chat was a victim or was related to a victim of 9/11, then it may be insensitive to joke about it.
Now you may think, oh, the offended guy should just leave the chat, well maybe he is talking with friends and doesn't want to leave the chat? Then the guy can ask to stop the 9/11 jokes, simple, now its up to the group if they are mature enough to consent to that request, if they are not, then the offended guy can leave and talk to other people. I don't think this is a matter to be defined by one set of rules, i think the users of TS should decide if they are all okay with constructive comedy.
Now if they abuse someone because they know they don't like it, then that's a different story, but it seems the goal of the post is not to harass people with constructive comedy so i see no problem with it as long as the group consents to it.
Iron October 1, 2015 at 6:10 PM UTC
I think the best solution would just let 18+ have no restrictions. Pretty much what _noice said. If someone joins the chat knowing they could get offended its not the fault of the people who were already in the chat. So therefore, I don't see anything wrong with that :PSnowSX3 October 1, 2015 at 9:10 PM UTC
https://avicus.net/forums/32495e92aLets take this recent topic for example.
Why would anyone want to bring a comedic view to something so tragic?
This is why I think this idea won't work.
Because it seems that only a select few (literally under a dozen people) are even interested in implementing this let alone actually wanting this.
DonaldMyTrump October 1, 2015 at 9:10 PM UTC
Memichael
pop
ari
cole
iron
lance
merlin
zeusy
zegita
broker
pedroh
Just off the top of my head there is full dozen not "literally under a dozen"
Now that I've proven you wrong again please leave you are against freely expressing humor, we get it. You have not contributed a thing to this discussion.
vladthegreat100 October 1, 2015 at 11:10 PM UTC
https://avicus.net/forums/32495e92a
Lets take this recent topic for example.
Why would anyone want to bring a comedic view to something so tragic?
This is why I think this idea won't work.
Because it seems that only a select few (literally under a dozen people) are even interested in implementing this let alone actually wanting this.
If you are gonna joke around for that kind of topic at least your bringing the mood up for other people and thinking on the bright side instead of crying that 15+ people died.
We all die at some point in our life, yes its sad their life had to end earlier than expected, but why stay and cry when you can move on and joke about it as it was nothing.
A lot comedians are depressed, and what do they use to try and counter act that depression? Comedy, and a lot of those times they use racist remarks or remarks from shootings, but they change that into comedic remarks, to not only please themselves but to please the crowd too and whoever was affected about it.
I am 100% on this cause.
BoldAndBrash October 1, 2015 at 11:10 PM UTC
tbh I agree with zac.
If you are gonna joke around for that kind of topic at least your bringing the mood up for other people and thinking on the bright side instead of crying that 15+ people died.
We all die at some point in our life, yes its sad their life had to end earlier than expected, but why stay and cry when you can move on and joke about it as it was nothing.
A lot comedians are depressed, and what do they use to try and counter act that depression? Comedy, and a lot of those times they use racist remarks or remarks from shootings, but they change that into comedic remarks, to not only please themselves but to please the crowd too and whoever was affected about it.
I am 100% on this cause.
Anyways, I believe that it shouldn't really be allowed in any channel. It's just not mature and respectful to make racist/sexist/etc. remarks even if everybody is fine with it. I dunno, just me probably. :p
PokerFace October 1, 2015 at 11:10 PM UTC
If you really want to be saying these type of things, you should take it to a different Teamspeak server or just have a Skype call.This is just going to bring a bad name to Avicus.
JOHN_CENAAAAAAAA October 1, 2015 at 11:10 PM UTC
If you really want to be saying these type of things, you should take it to a different Teamspeak server or just have a Skype call.
This is just going to bring a bad name to Avicus.
avicus has a LOT of things that make it have worse of a name than an 18+ channel on teamspeak
PokerFace October 1, 2015 at 11:10 PM UTC
uhh
avicus has a LOT of things that make it have worse of a name than an 18+ channel on teamspeak
JOHN_CENAAAAAAAA October 2, 2015 at 12:10 AM UTC
What I'm saying is that just because it is 18+, doesn't mean it's a free for all room. It gives you a freedom, but to some extent. Joking about serious topics is not something that people would want to hear or discuss about.
PokerFace October 2, 2015 at 12:10 AM UTC
as of right now it is basically indifferent from the cursing allowed channels
Spartemex October 2, 2015 at 12:10 AM UTC
For the record, what I have seen in 18+ was not your so called "Constructive Comedy" it was just offensive, and hateful. Why should we have a channel, where the only point is to offend certain groups? If you guys want to do that, take it to skype, but this is not what Avicus is for.jracer15 October 2, 2015 at 1:10 AM UTC
Just because its 18+ doesn't make saying racist, sexist, etc. remarks any better, older people get in trouble for saying stuff like that all the time. I understand what he means and also like using laughs to touch on sensitive topics. It should be used in a way to cheer someone up or brighten a bad situation, not make fun of an issue because even if there is or isn't someone who might be hurt by it, its just wrong to do as a person.JOHN_CENAAAAAAAA October 2, 2015 at 2:10 AM UTC
Just because its 18+ doesn't make saying racist, sexist, etc. remarks any better, older people get in trouble for saying stuff like that all the time. I understand what he means and also like using laughs to touch on sensitive topics. It should be used in a way to cheer someone up or brighten a bad situation, not make fun of an issue because even if there is or isn't someone who might be hurt by it, its just wrong to do as a person.
here is the current rule on the 18+ channel as of me posting it.
SnowSX3 October 2, 2015 at 2:10 AM UTC
here is the current rule on the 18+ channel as of me posting it.
ffs xD
JOHN_CENAAAAAAAA October 2, 2015 at 2:10 AM UTC
omg just use Skype and you don't have to worry about any of this
ffs xD
Spartemex October 2, 2015 at 12:10 PM UTC
here is the current rule on the 18+ channel as of me posting it.
Iron October 2, 2015 at 12:10 PM UTC
Am I allowed to insult my own race? I dont even know ts anymore..JOHN_CENAAAAAAAA October 2, 2015 at 1:10 PM UTC
Those are in addition to the rules stated at the rules page here on the website. Those rules state you may not provoke or insult a group of people.
BmB October 2, 2015 at 3:10 PM UTC
Your comedy isn't constructive, it's just obnoxious and racist.Glitchaye October 2, 2015 at 4:10 PM UTC
Your comedy isn't constructive, it's just obnoxious and racist.
DonaldMyTrump October 2, 2015 at 5:10 PM UTC
Your comedy isn't constructive, it's just obnoxious and racist.
FrozenSolstice October 2, 2015 at 6:10 PM UTC
Eh. I disagree with this.By labelling it "constructive comedy" doesn't really take away from the fact that youre being racist or sexist. Some of the things you say are actually quite disturbing, Zac.
There needs to be limits on the 18+ chat. As people mentioned earlier, Skype is a good place to have "constructive comedy" sessions.
Iron October 2, 2015 at 8:10 PM UTC
I dont get it. The regulars on Teamspeak are the ones being affected. By making all of these stupid policies, etc.. You are just pushing back the main playerbase of Teamspeak.jracer15 October 2, 2015 at 10:10 PM UTC
Trying to make light of a shitty issue and saying something offensive in hopes of some laughs are two different things. I hear black jokes all the time and some can be funny and some can't. Its all about crossing a line and if people are constantly saying you do, you may want to think about what you say, of course you may have someone that gets too sensitive but usually thats not the case_Jupiter October 2, 2015 at 10:10 PM UTC
I'm really confused by this. Turning 18 does not give you some magic pass to start being racist and/or sexist. Also there's a really, really, really fine line between funny and offensive, and imo that would get crossed all the time. Making fun of serious issues just turns you into somebody who looks immature.Iron October 2, 2015 at 10:10 PM UTC
I'm really confused by this. Turning 18 does not give you some magic pass to start being racist and/or sexist. Also there's a really, really, really fine line between funny and offensive, and imo that would get crossed all the time. Making fun of serious issues just turns you into somebody who looks immature.
_Jupiter October 2, 2015 at 10:10 PM UTC
We arent talking about being 18. (Use TS too understand the issue). The point Zac is trying to make is that the TS community can generally make jokes etc about common events and issues in the world. Recently we have been getting punished for making jokes that have been tolerated for years. Like honestly, you cant say anything to a friend without getting punished. For example I was almost kicked from a channel just for saying the word 'nigger' not in a bad way, just to explain something.
jracer15 October 2, 2015 at 11:10 PM UTC
We arent talking about being 18. (Use TS too understand the issue). The point Zac is trying to make is that the TS community can generally make jokes etc about common events and issues in the world. Recently we have been getting punished for making jokes that have been tolerated for years. Like honestly, you cant say anything to a friend without getting punished. For example I was almost kicked from a channel just for saying the word 'nigger' not in a bad way, just to explain something.
ShiftieNiftie October 2, 2015 at 11:10 PM UTC
I'm really confused by this. Turning 18 does not give you some magic pass to start being racist and/or sexist. Also there's a really, really, really fine line between funny and offensive, and imo that would get crossed all the time. Making fun of serious issues just turns you into somebody who looks immature.
KroolPencil
:)
_Jupiter October 3, 2015 at 4:10 AM UTC
Totally agree , Amanitagirl please preach it!
KroolPencil
:)
AtditC October 3, 2015 at 7:10 AM UTC
This is complete bullshit.You should be nowhere allowed to be offensive on Avicus. The 18+ channel is basically bullshit too but now this?
It's 100% clear that they only want make this server dead.
DonaldMyTrump October 3, 2015 at 12:10 PM UTC
This is complete bullshit.
You should be nowhere allowed to be offensive on Avicus. The 18+ channel is basically bullshit too but now this?
It's 100% clear that they only want make this server dead.
AtditC October 3, 2015 at 12:10 PM UTC
Wait, sorry I'm not quite sure which side of this lil debate you're on: the yes be bad boiz in 18+ or the DONT HURT MEH FEELZ side?
DonaldMyTrump October 3, 2015 at 3:10 PM UTC
I'm on the don't hurt me side :)
AtditC October 3, 2015 at 3:10 PM UTC
Ah well in that case, avicus has allowed people to speak their minds freely in the past, I'm not asking for people who make these jokes to take over TS and say anything anywhere, but give them sanctuary to speak about this stuff away from most people while still retaining the sense of a community and making use of the avicus provided service. So while I just want to be able to speak my mind and make jokes in peace, you want to remove my right to do that and force me off an avicus service because you don't like it... Who really is killing the server?
steven5703 October 3, 2015 at 4:10 PM UTC
...the guy which is using the f-word in each second sentence is killing the server.
AtditC October 3, 2015 at 5:10 PM UTC
I really don't think that zac alone is killing the server...
but I don't kill it or do I?
Emmaye October 3, 2015 at 5:10 PM UTC
Teamspeak is starting to become a hug box itself to be honest.Spartemex October 3, 2015 at 5:10 PM UTC
Ah well in that case, avicus has allowed people to speak their minds freely in the past, I'm not asking for people who make these jokes to take over TS and say anything anywhere, but give them sanctuary to speak about this stuff away from most people while still retaining the sense of a community and making use of the avicus provided service. So while I just want to be able to speak my mind and make jokes in peace, you want to remove my right to do that and force me off an avicus service because you don't like it... Who really is killing the server?
FrozenSolstice October 3, 2015 at 5:10 PM UTC
I don't see why your conversations can't be done over Skype.DonaldMyTrump October 3, 2015 at 8:10 PM UTC
I don't see why your conversations can't be done over Skype.
DonaldMyTrump October 3, 2015 at 8:10 PM UTC
In the past, we had the same rule, and people were fine with it, but then some people started pushing the rules, and turned it in to a problem we need to address.
Numberz_ October 3, 2015 at 8:10 PM UTC
lol.JOHN_CENAAAAAAAA October 3, 2015 at 8:10 PM UTC
lol.
SnowSX3 October 3, 2015 at 9:10 PM UTC
Please stop spamming the forums with microposts.
JOHN_CENAAAAAAAA October 3, 2015 at 9:10 PM UTC
Stop throwing stones in glass houses.
SnowSX3 October 3, 2015 at 9:10 PM UTC
i was trying to imitate my role model, you!
FrozenSolstice October 3, 2015 at 10:10 PM UTC
I don't see why people who don't want to participate in these conversations can't restrain themselves from entering the 18+ channel. It goes both ways.
I guess I'm confused at the effort you're going to so you can implement this rule when you can already have the time of your life on Skype.
DonaldMyTrump October 3, 2015 at 10:10 PM UTC
Not really. If people don't want to join 18+ channels in TS because you guys are there doing "constructive comedy", you're restricting other Avicus members from using the TS Channel. Skype is a place where you can freely chat about whatever without putting others at risk of hearing what you have to say.
I guess I'm confused at the effort you're going to so you can implement this rule when you can already have the time of your life on Skype.
SnowSX3 October 3, 2015 at 10:10 PM UTC
Ok but some people are offended by curse words does that mean noone should curse?
FrozenSolstice October 3, 2015 at 11:10 PM UTC
Ok but some people are offended by curse words does that mean noone should curse?
Im talking about more high impact subjects, such as rape, racism, homophobia and sexist comments.
Essentially, what you're doing is like this;
You're in a public place with many different people around you. You and your friends suddenly decide to talk about a sensitive subject. Someone tells you to stop, and you tell them to leave. People don't have to leave the area just because you want to talk about a certain subject. Imagine Skype as a private house. You could go there with your friends and chat about random shit instead of putting the public in a silly situation.
Get my point?