EU: Britain - *OUT! by awesome_apricot June 9, 2016 at 9:06 PM UTC
Simple: in or out?Why?
Debate!
I'm personally opinionated towards out. I cannot agree with a beauracratic unelected superstate that it's turning into.
AstroPizza June 9, 2016 at 9:06 PM UTC
I myself am personally Inbut i rather not have a long debate on it so just going to express my view on the matter.
imryaan June 9, 2016 at 9:06 PM UTC
inHowsie June 9, 2016 at 9:06 PM UTC
I just listened to the yogscast talk about this for three years, without paying attention to what it actually was.English lads, want to explain pros and cons?
Crimson_Aught June 9, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC
Mmm, tasty policy.Idk, I don't live in GB. I wish to see, what will happen, if it is out. Cause it will destroy big plans of big men.
JJTheGuy June 9, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC
Uhhh, In n Out??? It's a great burger place... Didn't know they had them in britianawesome_apricot June 9, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC
I just listened to the yogscast talk about this for three years, without paying attention to what it actually was.
English lads, want to explain pros and cons?
The EU is made of nearly 30 countries - we all abide by the same laws and regulations. This includes free trade, free passing of information and Europian arrest warrants. Not to mention the free movements of people.
Each country has representatives but ultimately is ruled by five unelected beauracrats that we have no say over.
Ultimately the leave campaign want to leave this. They want an Australian styled immigration points policy. They want to take back the rough £350million per week we give into the EU (including the rebate which we have no control over) and create our own laws democratically.
The in side say that if we leave we will struggle to do trade with the rest of the world and that we are safer in Europe on an economical view.
It's very interesting indeed as it decides our future!
Tldr
Leave: control immigration, money and be more democratic
Stay: be safer economically and against threats such as terrorism.
Zintenka June 9, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC
In my most unbiased approach I see it as quite simple:
The EU is made of nearly 30 countries - we all abide by the same laws and regulations. This includes free trade, free passing of information and Europian arrest warrants. Not to mention the free movements of people.
Each country has representatives but ultimately is ruled by five unelected beauracrats that we have no say over.
Ultimately the leave campaign want to leave this. They want an Australian styled immigration points policy. They want to take back the rough £350million per week we give into the EU (including the rebate which we have no control over) and create our own laws democratically.
The in side say that if we leave we will struggle to do trade with the rest of the world and that we are safer in Europe on an economical view.
It's very interesting indeed as it decides our future!
Tldr
Leave: control immigration, money and be more democratic
Stay: be safer economically and against threats such as terrorism.
Hmmm... If they were to leave the EU, then supposedly they encountered an Economic collapse...?
It would like very bad for GB if it were to suddenly look to the EU for economic support - a fair weathered friend.
But then... not being allowed to democratically elect your own laws IS quite unfair. But that is pretty much all the con I can think of this.
It would be better if they had a "Constitution" like the US that protects peoples' rights and whatnot and prevents laws that would harm a country's people. This would make the EU quite popular to be amongst.
Overall, from what I've seen with the benefits... staying In would possess much more pros than cons for Britain.
awesome_apricot June 9, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC
Seems as though both situations have their upsides and downsides...
Hmmm... If they were to leave the EU, then supposedly they encountered an Economic collapse...?
It would like very bad for GB if it were to suddenly look to the EU for economic support - a fair weathered friend.
But then... not being allowed to democratically elect your own laws IS quite unfair. But that is pretty much all the con I can think of this.
It would be better if they had a "Constitution" like the US that protects peoples' rights and whatnot and prevents laws that would harm a country's people. This would make the EU quite popular to be amongst.
Overall, from what I've seen with the benefits... staying In would possess much more pros than cons for Britain.
An economical supercollapse is a naive assumption as we are the 5th largest economy in the world. If the Europeans didn't want to trade with us as a fully independent country they would be silly, we export so much. 80% of the world's economies are outside of the EU, so our trade deals with the US, Asia (China and the UK have a strong bond) would still stand.
Zintenka June 10, 2016 at 12:06 AM UTC
I'm very much only tipping the iceberg of why we should leave
An economical supercollapse is a naive assumption as we are the 5th largest economy in the world. If the Europeans didn't want to trade with us as a fully independent country they would be silly, we export so much. 80% of the world's economies are outside of the EU, so our trade deals with the US, Asia (China and the UK have a strong bond) would still stand.
Anyway, an economic super collapse can most definitely happen to countries and can strike suddenly and without much warning. The Great Depression being an example.
Besides this point, I really cannot see the benefit of leaving the EU besides making your own laws as well as many other things such as more control on money.
Being part of the EU allows for great transportation amongst nations, yes? Well if you leave then looks like that trip to Germany or France will have to be pushed back a few weeks, eh?
Being part of the EU allows for international arrest warrants, correct? This allows for great flexibility in capturing possibly dangerous and crazed individuals.
This would be like leaving NATO. The benefits of staying outweighs the benefits of leaving and you'd be at much greater risk for unanticipated consequences.
DaFrozenBlaze June 10, 2016 at 3:06 AM UTC
inI'm too damn lazy and maybe not too knowledgeable about the topic to give my reasons, but I have a general idea.
joelous June 10, 2016 at 5:06 AM UTC
Wait what happenedSWEET_Johny June 10, 2016 at 5:06 AM UTC
lol what the fuck?Pelpelajax June 10, 2016 at 5:06 AM UTC
Wait what happened
JustBudah June 10, 2016 at 5:06 AM UTC
OutMehrp June 10, 2016 at 5:06 AM UTC
Although there are reasonable points either side, I'm gonna say in because I don't won't our government having less restraints than they already have Cxhasl June 10, 2016 at 5:06 AM UTC
If we could partner with Germany industrial wise then leaving would be the best option.joelous June 10, 2016 at 5:06 AM UTC
On the 23rd of June, Britian is going to vote whether they want to stay in the eu or not
DaFrozenBlaze June 10, 2016 at 6:06 AM UTC
But aren't they like in the middle of Europe?
AstroPizza June 10, 2016 at 6:06 AM UTC
But aren't they like in the middle of Europe?
voidloop June 10, 2016 at 8:06 AM UTC
Me, personally, as an Irish person, I don't really care.But, I do seem to tend a bit to the out side.
piratewithgun June 10, 2016 at 9:06 AM UTC
im voting to stay in because i can see myself moving to germany in the future but as far as business is concerned i think it would be far better to remain in the euLokigh June 10, 2016 at 11:06 AM UTC
We are staying IN or I will shoot someoneMyworld6 June 10, 2016 at 11:06 AM UTC
Out.It's still possible to set up a trade deal with the EU without being part of it. Also, I lost all support for remaining in the EU when the government and BBC started scaremongering.
Myworld6 June 10, 2016 at 12:06 PM UTC
Who said it was an assumption? It was theoretics - a "What if".
Anyway, an economic super collapse can most definitely happen to countries and can strike suddenly and without much warning. The Great Depression being an example.
Besides this point, I really cannot see the benefit of leaving the EU besides making your own laws as well as many other things such as more control on money.
Being part of the EU allows for great transportation amongst nations, yes? Well if you leave then looks like that trip to Germany or France will have to be pushed back a few weeks, eh?
Being part of the EU allows for international arrest warrants, correct? This allows for great flexibility in capturing possibly dangerous and crazed individuals.
This would be like leaving NATO. The benefits of staying outweighs the benefits of leaving and you'd be at much greater risk for unanticipated consequences.
I dobt the consequences of leaving the EU will be as grave as we are being led to believe, unless Cameron doesn't have a back-up plan for a vote that he postponed for so long. If so, he's incompetent and unfit to be prime minister.
Moreover, A new deal would have to negotiated quickly lest Europe suffer an economic backlash. In that case, Britain would be free to make its own demands of Europe, returning power to the country.
Finally, NATO is actually quite dangerous. If Russia had attacked Turkey over the shooting down of one of their pilots, then every country in NATO would have had to get involved, leading to another world war.
Pelpelajax June 10, 2016 at 2:06 PM UTC
But aren't they like in the middle of Europe?
BmB June 10, 2016 at 2:06 PM UTC
People are naive to assume that Britain could function properly outside of the EUThis tiny Island would have to trade ties, the free market the EU offers to us is so incredibly important, America said we would be at the back of the queue to trade with them, China also. We would lose out so heavily on import and export, our economy would most likely not suffer a total collapse but leave us all poorer. Leaving the EU could leave us responsible for potential conflicts and many people would be made redundant.
The EU also regulates our environmental impacts, helps to protect our borders. As a working class family Brit I really hope we don't leave.
The whole idea to leave stems from the racist bigots who are in power, we are no where near as significant a country as people would like to believe.
AstroPizza June 10, 2016 at 2:06 PM UTC
People are naive to assume that Britain could function properly outside of the EU
This tiny Island would have to trade ties, the free market the EU offers to us is so incredibly important, America said we would be at the back of the queue to trade with them, China also. We would lose out so heavily on import and export, our economy would most likely not suffer a total collapse but leave us all poorer. Leaving the EU could leave us responsible for potential conflicts and many people would be made redundant.
The EU also regulates our environmental impacts, helps to protect our borders. As a working class family Brit I really hope we don't leave.
The whole idea to leave stems from the racist bigots who are in power, we are no where near as significant a country as people would like to believe.
Can we just remove the 'Great' in 'Great Britain' people might get the message then.
BmB June 10, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC
+1
Can we just remove the 'Great' in 'Great Britain' people might get the message then.
Legoche June 10, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC
+1
Can we just remove the 'Great' in 'Great Britain' people might get the message then.
Spoookeh June 10, 2016 at 4:06 PM UTC
People are naive to assume that Britain could function properly outside of the EU
This tiny Island would have to trade ties, the free market the EU offers to us is so incredibly important, America said we would be at the back of the queue to trade with them, China also. We would lose out so heavily on import and export, our economy would most likely not suffer a total collapse but leave us all poorer. Leaving the EU could leave us responsible for potential conflicts and many people would be made redundant.
The EU also regulates our environmental impacts, helps to protect our borders. As a working class family Brit I really hope we don't leave.
The whole idea to leave stems from the racist bigots who are in power, we are no where near as significant a country as people would like to believe.
The EU originally began after World War Two to foster economic co-operation, with the idea that coutries which trade together are more likely to avoid going to war with each other. This has changed and it has since grown into a single market mainly for trade and free movement to member countries.
It has since evolved from that, becoming an organisation run by bureaucrats who aren't even elected. Britain is being held back by the EU, they impose so many rules on business and charge billions of pounds a year for membership with nearly nothing in return (Every year because our GDP is going up, they decide to charge Britain more in membership fees).
Education is finding it hard to cope, the NHS is finding it hard to cope and there are currently housing problems in London. Yes many laws contribute to these but the main problem is immigration (860 immigrants enter the UK everyday). I'm not a supporter of UKIP but we need to take back control of our borders and keep these numbers down.
Re-negotiation have very little impacts on these problems so the only real solution I can see is to leave. And no, I'm not particularly naive
DaGoldBrick June 10, 2016 at 4:06 PM UTC
If you happened to watch the debate yesterday on ITV that pretty much settled it to me. The remain campaigners were just throwing punches at the leave side with no real arguments at all. All they attempted was scaremongering.
The EU originally began after World War Two to foster economic co-operation, with the idea that coutries which trade together are more likely to avoid going to war with each other. This has changed and it has since grown into a single market mainly for trade and free movement to member countries.
It has since evolved from that, becoming an organisation run by bureaucrats who aren't even elected. Britain is being held back by the EU, they impose so many rules on business and charge billions of pounds a year for membership with nearly nothing in return (Every year because our GDP is going up, they decide to charge Britain more in membership fees).
Education is finding it hard to cope, the NHS is finding it hard to cope and there are currently housing problems in London. Yes many laws contribute to these but the main problem is immigration (860 immigrants enter the UK everyday). I'm not a supporter of UKIP but we need to take back control of our borders and keep these numbers down.
Re-negotiation have very little impacts on these problems so the only real solution I can see is to leave. And no, I'm not particularly naive
hahaha xd
BmB June 10, 2016 at 5:06 PM UTC
If you happened to watch the debate yesterday on ITV that pretty much settled it to me. The remain campaigners were just throwing punches at the leave side with no real arguments at all. All they attempted was scaremongering.
The EU originally began after World War Two to foster economic co-operation, with the idea that coutries which trade together are more likely to avoid going to war with each other. This has changed and it has since grown into a single market mainly for trade and free movement to member countries.
It has since evolved from that, becoming an organisation run by bureaucrats who aren't even elected. Britain is being held back by the EU, they impose so many rules on business and charge billions of pounds a year for membership with nearly nothing in return (Every year because our GDP is going up, they decide to charge Britain more in membership fees).
Education is finding it hard to cope, the NHS is finding it hard to cope and there are currently housing problems in London. Yes many laws contribute to these but the main problem is immigration (860 immigrants enter the UK everyday). I'm not a supporter of UKIP but we need to take back control of our borders and keep these numbers down.
Re-negotiation have very little impacts on these problems so the only real solution I can see is to leave. And no, I'm not particularly naive
Zintenka June 10, 2016 at 7:06 PM UTC
Not necessarily. European laws mean that the UK can't export terrorists to countries where they would be executed. Even if they are able to do so, it takes years to negotiate the extradition.
I dobt the consequences of leaving the EU will be as grave as we are being led to believe, unless Cameron doesn't have a back-up plan for a vote that he postponed for so long. If so, he's incompetent and unfit to be prime minister.
Moreover, A new deal would have to negotiated quickly lest Europe suffer an economic backlash. In that case, Britain would be free to make its own demands of Europe, returning power to the country.
Finally, NATO is actually quite dangerous. If Russia had attacked Turkey over the shooting down of one of their pilots, then every country in NATO would have had to get involved, leading to another world war.
Why would this be an issue? Wouldn't killing them or imprisoning them within Britain be sufficient? I mean, if the terrorists struck within Britain, they should be imprisoned or executed within Britain.
"I doubt the consequences of leaving the EU will be as grave as we are being led to believe, unless Cameron doesn't have a back-up plan for a vote that he postponed for so long. If so, he's incompetent and unfit to be prime minister."
I know, but I'm saying that the benefits of staying within the EU outweigh the benefits of leaving. Plus, if a dire situation DOES come to pass... you'd have the rest of the EU countries backing and supporting you.
"Moreover, A new deal would have to negotiated quickly lest Europe suffer an economic backlash. In that case, Britain would be free to make its own demands of Europe, returning power to the country."
I agree with this, that's why Britain would better be able to repel an economic backlash with the support of the rest of the countries. Why would they wish to make their own demands of Europe? Wouldn't that be a bit selfish (Unless if it is to be allowed to create it's own laws democratically or control the flow of money that is).
"Finally, NATO is actually quite dangerous. If Russia had attacked Turkey over the shooting down of one of their pilots, then every country in NATO would have had to get involved, leading to another world war."
But Russia didn't attack Turkey because it is part of NATO. Plus, if Russia attacked Turkey it would be instigated by them because Russia shouldn't have been flying those planes so close to them... and Russia does this to many other nations to piss them off and egg them on.
They deserved it.
Crimson_Aught June 10, 2016 at 7:06 PM UTC
"Not necessarily. European laws mean that the UK can't export terrorists to countries where they would be executed. Even if they are able to do so, it takes years to negotiate the extradition."
Why would this be an issue? Wouldn't killing them or imprisoning them within Britain be sufficient? I mean, if the terrorists struck within Britain, they should be imprisoned or executed within Britain.
"I doubt the consequences of leaving the EU will be as grave as we are being led to believe, unless Cameron doesn't have a back-up plan for a vote that he postponed for so long. If so, he's incompetent and unfit to be prime minister."
I know, but I'm saying that the benefits of staying within the EU outweigh the benefits of leaving. Plus, if a dire situation DOES come to pass... you'd have the rest of the EU countries backing and supporting you.
"Moreover, A new deal would have to negotiated quickly lest Europe suffer an economic backlash. In that case, Britain would be free to make its own demands of Europe, returning power to the country."
I agree with this, that's why Britain would better be able to repel an economic backlash with the support of the rest of the countries. Why would they wish to make their own demands of Europe? Wouldn't that be a bit selfish (Unless if it is to be allowed to create it's own laws democratically or control the flow of money that is).
"Finally, NATO is actually quite dangerous. If Russia had attacked Turkey over the shooting down of one of their pilots, then every country in NATO would have had to get involved, leading to another world war."
But Russia didn't attack Turkey because it is part of NATO. Plus, if Russia attacked Turkey it would be instigated by them because Russia shouldn't have been flying those planes so close to them... and Russia does this to many other nations to piss them off and egg them on.
They deserved it.
Zintenka June 10, 2016 at 7:06 PM UTC
Don't touch Russia pls..
If you keep annoying a lion, eventually it will give chase.
Spoookeh June 10, 2016 at 9:06 PM UTC
so how many immigrants do you know?
The point is there are lots of people coming into this country nowadays to take advantage of our housing, health and education systems.
Jahaj June 10, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC
This is a great topic to discuss in the NEW #news channel in the Community Slack! Join now!Also I'd like to see them stay in.
RIP_Avicus June 10, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC
In. Anyone who says otherwise can go be racist and uninformed elsewhere.awesome_apricot June 10, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC
In. Anyone who says otherwise can go be racist and uninformed elsewhere.
Can you name the leaders of the EU? Did you elect them? Do you understanf the power they hold? Do you agree that Britains say is nearly always outvoted by 28-2 or 27-3? We are not listened to in the EU, we are just bystanders of the United States of Europe that is being created. Why is this bad? Democracy is not practiced within this state.
The point of democracy is to vote in who we want and don't. If I don't like the tories I vote against them, if I don't like labour I vote against them, to stop them from making policies and laws I don't agree with.
In Europe we have no say whatsoever and this is not democracy!
I have one problem with the free movement of people and that is stresses on housing and public services. I'm not a racist and will not accept you calling me one. I'm pretty much a socialist to be frank but I do believe in democracy.
RIP_Avicus June 10, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC
Fuck off if you're going to call me a racist if I want to leave the EU!
Can you name the leaders of the EU? Did you elect them? Do you understanf the power they hold? Do you agree that Britains say is nearly always outvoted by 28-2 or 27-3? We are not listened to in the EU, we are just bystanders of the United States of Europe that is being created. Why is this bad? Democracy is not practiced within this state.
The point of democracy is to vote in who we want and don't. If I don't like the tories I vote against them, if I don't like labour I vote against them, to stop them from making policies and laws I don't agree with.
In Europe we have no say whatsoever and this is not democracy!
I have one problem with the free movement of people and that is stresses on housing and public services. I'm not a racist and will not accept you calling me one. I'm pretty much a socialist to be frank but I do believe in democracy.
We vote for MEPs, MEPs vote for the EU president. The council president was voted for by the head of states, in our case, David Cameron. And migrants don't put a strain on anything. Last year, migrants brought in a net gain of something like £8billion. The real problem with money is with the tories being violently corrupt. Get Google, Amazon, Starbucks, McDonalds and Fiat to pay their taxes, and see where that leaves us.
DaGoldBrick June 10, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC
A few, I don't know an exact number.
The point is there are lots of people coming into this country nowadays to take advantage of our housing, health and education systems.
awesome_apricot June 10, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC
We vote for MEPs, MEPs vote for the EU president. The council president was voted for by the head of states, in our case, David Cameron. And migrants don't put a strain on anything. Last year, migrants brought in a net gain of something like £8billion. The real problem with money is with the tories being violently corrupt. Get Google, Amazon, Starbucks, McDonalds and Fiat to pay their taxes, and see where that leaves us.
YEP! Great!
They vote for the leaders o for EU.
YEP! Great!
Wait.. Hang on a second.
When voting for Jean Claude Juncker there was one massive fucking problem.
He was the only name on the ballot paper (source: Huffington post)
Democracy!
Zintenka June 10, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC
We vote for our MEPs.
YEP! Great!
They vote for the leaders o for EU.
YEP! Great!
Wait.. Hang on a second.
When voting for Jean Claude Juncker there was one massive fucking problem.
He was the only name on the ballot paper (source: Huffington post)
Democracy!
@Oscar: To call someone a racist for disagreeing with you is impractical and I do not blame apricot for responding in kind.
awesome_apricot June 10, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC
Examples of where this is such a big issue to the UK? More immigrants = more labour = more output = more economic growth = better standard of living for losers like bmb and the rest of the country
I fully understand this. I would do the same, I do not blame them, they are trying to help themselves and make a better life for themselves and their families so fair fucking does!
But, to maintain our economic growth and power we cannot afford wages to be lowered on average.
awesome_apricot June 10, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC
Please read this to know where I stand.http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/9514608.html?edition=uk
RIP_Avicus June 10, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC
If there is a few things that I disagree with is the EU officials having control over who is elected in Britain and the bureaucratic mess.
@Oscar: To call someone a racist for disagreeing with you is impractical and I do not blame apricot for responding in kind.
awesome_apricot June 10, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC
I didn't specifically target him. I just find one of the main bases for the leave campaign is exploiting the fear of other cultures that many people have. Many leave campaigners may not believe that, but by voting leave with people like Farage, Johnson and Gove, you're voting for it. Farage and Trump have both been very clever in exploiting this.
Myworld6 June 11, 2016 at 6:06 PM UTC
@Oscar: As Zintenka and Apricot said, that's hardly fair. I despise racism and any other form of malicious discrimination, but claiming that because I want the UK to leave the EU is down to me being racist is narrow-minded and incorrect. Just so you know, Tony Blair, a known war criminal, is campaigning for Britain to remain. If I'm racist by wanting to vote for something that I believe is in Britain's best interests, then everyone who votes for remain is supporting a war criminal and therefore they're being hypocrites unto themselves, considering that most of them despise Blair.@Zintenka: "I mean, if the terrorists struck within Britain, they should be imprisoned or executed within Britain."
Britain isn't allowed to execute prisoners. The UN and EU forced its members to accept every human rights law, and as a result Britain was forced to abolish the death penalty. It doesn't matter whether a terrorist assassinates the Queen or a terrorist detonates bombs throughout London (7/7 being a good example of this), capital punishment is not an available punishment during a trial.
"Plus, if a dire situation DOES come to pass... you'd have the rest of the EU countries backing and supporting you."
Frankly, at the moment the only countries in central Europe that are able to aid the UK in an economic crisis are France and Germany. Countries like Greece and Italy have taken out so many loans and, in Greece's case, have never paid them back.
"Why would they wish to make their own demands of Europe? Wouldn't that be a bit selfish?"
No more selfish than Francois Hollande threatening to remove all border security if the UK leaves the EU. If they truly respect us as an equal, they wouldn't resort to threatening us.
"and Russia does this to many other nations to piss them off and egg them on...They deserved it."
Perhaps, but footage has revealed that Turkey has been supplying Daesh with supplies, one of which Russia promptly bombed. Contrary to popular Western views (no offence intended), Russia are far less willing to start a world war than countries like America, who immediately condemned Russia.
BmB June 12, 2016 at 7:06 PM UTC
Examples of where this is such a big issue to the UK? More immigrants = more labour = more output = more economic growth = better standard of living for losers like bmb and the rest of the country
BmB June 12, 2016 at 7:06 PM UTC
Please read this to know where I stand.
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/9514608.html?edition=uk
pretty reliable ngl :^)
awesome_apricot June 12, 2016 at 7:06 PM UTC
A twitter post on the fucking huffington news.
pretty reliable ngl :^)
awesome_apricot June 23, 2016 at 9:06 PM UTC
Drum roll please..........Zintenka June 23, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC
Drum roll please..........
voidloop June 23, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC
What option won? Out?
Crimson_Aught June 23, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC
You won't out, don't worry :Dfelipu_feliu June 23, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC
In!i'm not from Europe but with a few friends we are planning to go to study abroad to Europe this summer (Chilean summer) all to different countries (A friend got England, another friend got France and I am going to Finland) but after that we are planning to travel around Europe for a while and the guy that is going to England told me it would be easier for him if England is IN the EU
gg
ElementalAssasin June 24, 2016 at 1:06 AM UTC
Everyone in britain should just move to Canada honestly u still have a grip on us and free health :)DaGoldBrick June 24, 2016 at 1:06 AM UTC
you're the asian one friend
Myworld6 June 24, 2016 at 1:06 AM UTC
Everyone in britain should just move to Canada honestly u still have a grip on us and free health :)
ElementalAssasin June 24, 2016 at 1:06 AM UTC
Yes! Take me with you!
awesome_apricot June 24, 2016 at 2:06 AM UTC
Well it's 3-20am and all the leading pollsters are suggesting Britain will leave...Still a lot of votes to be counted.
awesome_apricot June 24, 2016 at 3:06 AM UTC
4-30am.Britain will leave the EU at this rate.
leave is winning by approximately 500,000votes. Around 10million to 9.5million.
Quite astonishing.
This will go to the wire.
awesome_apricot June 24, 2016 at 3:06 AM UTC
BREAKING!! Holy shit!!4-40am.
ITV HAVE OFFICIALLY CALLED A LEAVE WIN, WITH AN 80% CHANCE OF LEAVE TO WIN.
Check ITV twitter!
Confirmation to follow!!
awesome_apricot June 24, 2016 at 3:06 AM UTC
4-44amCONFIRMATION FROM THE BBC.
Britain will leave the EU.
I hope they don't fucking get it wrong.
This is one of the biggest days in the history of our time.
Numberz_ June 24, 2016 at 4:06 AM UTC
gg leaverekt EU
AstroPizza June 24, 2016 at 4:06 AM UTC
I hope our government stables the pound asap10% drop so far
Numberz_ June 24, 2016 at 4:06 AM UTC
I hope our government stables the pound asap
10% drop so far
flyofff June 24, 2016 at 5:06 AM UTC
RipUK2k16Maybe USA/Canadia/England a new group??
Spoookeh June 24, 2016 at 6:06 AM UTC
well, rip eu...Tazz June 24, 2016 at 6:06 AM UTC
rip in pieceMehrp June 24, 2016 at 6:06 AM UTC
Rip eu_Nathy June 24, 2016 at 6:06 AM UTC
Hopefully British leaders can get it right, if they don't this could get ugly.JDKL June 24, 2016 at 6:06 AM UTC
rip euMyworld6 June 24, 2016 at 7:06 AM UTC
4-44am
CONFIRMATION FROM THE BBC.
Britain will leave the EU.
I hope they don't fucking get it wrong.
This is one of the biggest days in the history of our time.
The pound is the lowest in 36 years, and David Cameron has resigned; the worst two things that could happen as a result.
GalaxyBen June 24, 2016 at 8:06 AM UTC
Oh dear, Britain left the Euro Union!Am I the only one who thinks this is a good thing?
Crimson_Aught June 24, 2016 at 8:06 AM UTC
OMFG, I JUST WOKE UP, READ THIS AND FLEW AWAY FROM MY BAD TO OTHER ROOM WITH TV, I AM FUCKING WONDERED. 48,1% for in and 51,9% for outGgwp Europe. It is the event of the century.
Myworld6 June 24, 2016 at 8:06 AM UTC
Oh dear, Britain left the Euro Union!
Am I the only one who thinks this is a good thing?
Britain has lost billions of dollars worth of ,oney in a few minutes.
Our FTSE has dropped by 8.7 pc.
Oh, and now we're technically poorer than France.
Short-term, it's not good. Long-term, it's potentially good.
_Nathy June 24, 2016 at 9:06 AM UTC
Well David Cameron had to resign,I like how our maths class just stopped to watch the results come in
If you have any spare money, convert it into pounds then convert it back again in 6 months, free money :)
Myworld6 June 24, 2016 at 9:06 AM UTC
Well David Cameron had to resign,
I like how our maths class just stopped to watch the results come in
If you have any spare money, convert it into pounds then convert it back again in 6 months, free money :)
#BorisToDowningStreet
Crimson_Aught June 24, 2016 at 9:06 AM UTC
He didn't have to, and he shouldn't. Britain needs a strong leader more than ever right now.
#BorisToDowningStreet
Robin_DD_J June 24, 2016 at 9:06 AM UTC
lmfao enjoy ur time BritainMyworld6 June 24, 2016 at 9:06 AM UTC
He just doesn't want to negotiate with EU about exit. 2 years for negotiations with bureaucrats - it is hard. So his resignation doesn't show him strong leader :/
Pelpelajax June 24, 2016 at 10:06 AM UTC
xd have fun britainDaFrozenBlaze June 24, 2016 at 10:06 AM UTC
Rip EUfelipu_feliu June 24, 2016 at 11:06 AM UTC
this is a gg guysgg
SpicyAF June 24, 2016 at 12:06 PM UTC
just because im a fucking dumbass, i dont understand how this affects the economics at all lolNumberz_ June 24, 2016 at 2:06 PM UTC
France and Netherlands apparently want to leave the EU as well.vladthegreat100 June 24, 2016 at 2:06 PM UTC
gg
Myworld6 June 24, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC
gg
DaFrozenBlaze June 24, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC
gg
awesome_apricot June 24, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC
We're probably screwed.
The pound is the lowest in 36 years, and David Cameron has resigned; the worst two things that could happen as a result.
So basically we have to hit a recession 10x worse than the collapse in 2008 to even feel as bad as that.
We survived two world wars.
David Cameron resigning is a fucking good thing, and I have respect for him for that.
He wouldn't have been able to negotiate deals. He's not good enough.
BmB June 24, 2016 at 4:06 PM UTC
We have 10x the amount in funds than we did in 2008 when we had our biggest ever recession, approximately £250billion by the bank of england to bail out anything that goes to bad..
So basically we have to hit a recession 10x worse than the collapse in 2008 to even feel as bad as that.
We survived two world wars.
David Cameron resigning is a fucking good thing, and I have respect for him for that.
He wouldn't have been able to negotiate deals. He's not good enough.
"We survived 2 world wars" What the fuck is that meant to mean they were both 70 + years back and we got our asses saved by America both times.
So Boris Johnson is gonna be better than Cameron?
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Spoookeh June 24, 2016 at 5:06 PM UTC
Apricot no we don't because things are priced so differently from 2008 everything is more expensive now and the population is significantly bigger.
"We survived 2 world wars" What the fuck is that meant to mean they were both 70 + years back and we got our asses saved by America both times.
So Boris Johnson is gonna be better than Cameron?
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Myworld6 June 24, 2016 at 5:06 PM UTC
We have 10x the amount in funds than we did in 2008 when we had our biggest ever recession, approximately £250billion by the bank of england to bail out anything that goes to bad..
So basically we have to hit a recession 10x worse than the collapse in 2008 to even feel as bad as that.
We survived two world wars.
David Cameron resigning is a fucking good thing, and I have respect for him for that.
He wouldn't have been able to negotiate deals. He's not good enough.
A: www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-admits-wont-extra-8271594. That's all I'm saying. The leave voters supported a conman and a liar, and screwed over Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland. Scotland voted to stay, and so did Northern Irelend. Considering that in a few hours we lost roughly £125 billion, I'm not optimistic.
"approximately £250billion by the bank of england to bail out anything that goes to bad.." - Tell that to Germany when hyperinflation started. Money that has no value is useless.
B: So far, our currency has dropped dramatically. That's bad enough.
C: No offence, but that's preposterous. For one, we had working industries (steel, cars, etc.). In World War One and Two, we also had the BRITISH EMPIRE. We do NOT have a British Empire now. Besides, Britain was bordering on bankruptcy after both of those wars. This time, Britain is taking everyone else with it.
For another, we had the USSR, the USA, Canada, Australia, etc. Each of the Allies supported each other during the wars. They did NOT rely solely on themselves for the war effort. In fact, Britain was receiving supplies from the USA for most of the war, even before the Americans got involved.
D: I find that funny, considering that Cameron warned voters countless times of the dangers of leaving the EU. But no, it's all about "sovereignty" and "immigrants taking our jobs". He's a far better leader than Nigel "I didn't promise anything" Farage, Boris Johnson, or bloody Michael Gove!
DaGoldBrick June 24, 2016 at 5:06 PM UTC
Just because someone has a different opinion to you doesn't mean they're a "thick piece of shit"
There's a chance this will go positively but I'm 100% sure this will turn out to be dogshit. Have fun backing up "too bureaucratic" whilst our currency falls to shit XD
felipu_feliu June 24, 2016 at 5:06 PM UTC
Guys britain is fucked, accept it.come to Chile the next best country in the world
awesome_apricot June 24, 2016 at 5:06 PM UTC
y'all just butthurtto spooks and bmb don't worry he's just a peabrain
DGB mhm cba to reply
felipu chile is a lie it's not even chilly there it's warm
Ihze June 24, 2016 at 5:06 PM UTC
Does this mean we are no longer in europeDelajore June 24, 2016 at 5:06 PM UTC
ALL THE REMAIN SIDE DO IS RACE BAIT.I'M DISGUSTED AT CAMERON AND CORBYN.
LIBERTY IS RISING
LIBERTY IS RISING
Myworld6 June 24, 2016 at 5:06 PM UTC
y'all just butthurt
to spooks and bmb don't worry he's just a peabrain
DGB mhm cba to reply
felipu chile is a lie it's not even chilly there it's warm
We're speaking sense.
Ihze June 24, 2016 at 5:06 PM UTC
ALL THE REMAIN SIDE DO IS RACE BAIT.
I'M DISGUSTED AT CAMERON AND CORBYN.
LIBERTY IS RISING
LIBERTY IS RISING
DaGoldBrick June 24, 2016 at 5:06 PM UTC
y'all just butthurt
to spooks and bmb don't worry he's just a peabrain
DGB mhm cba to reply
felipu chile is a lie it's not even chilly there it's warm
so u decide, "let me not respond"
-lord
Delajore June 24, 2016 at 5:06 PM UTC
THE POUND IS RISING AND SO IS LIBERTYDelajore June 24, 2016 at 6:06 PM UTC
AT LEAST WE GOT RID OF THE IMMIGRANTS STEALING OUR JOBS AND BENEFITS.ImRaging June 24, 2016 at 6:06 PM UTC
Lol ripmight not leave if a different party comes to power in a 9 months or so but i doubt it
Myworld6 June 24, 2016 at 6:06 PM UTC
AT LEAST WE GOT RID OF THE IMMIGRANTS STEALING OUR JOBS AND BENEFITS.
Pelpelajax June 24, 2016 at 7:06 PM UTC
y'all just butthurt
to spooks and bmb don't worry he's just a peabrain
DGB mhm cba to reply
felipu chile is a lie it's not even chilly there it's warm
ElementalAssasin June 24, 2016 at 8:06 PM UTC
Well rip britain no point of arguing now to stay or not stay since majority voted leave now its time to say britain is fuckedPelpelajax June 24, 2016 at 8:06 PM UTC
Well rip britain no point of arguing now to stay or not stay since majority voted leave now its time to say britain is fucked
Myworld6 June 24, 2016 at 9:06 PM UTC
Hardly a majority tbf.
I swear to God, if they vote leave again, we'll lost NI and Scotland, as well as leave people in countries like Greece starving. I wonder how their "independence" tastes when it's tainted with blood.
JoeVC June 24, 2016 at 9:06 PM UTC
Happy Independence Day everyone-This is a joke.
awesome_apricot June 24, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC
when u barely know what bureaucracy is and can't back up any of the shit u say
so u decide, "let me not respond"
-lord
They elect the president.
But they can only vote for one as there's only one on the ballot paper.
BEAURACRATS.
awesome_apricot June 24, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC
Indeed. Fingers crossed for a second referendum.
I swear to God, if they vote leave again, we'll lost NI and Scotland, as well as leave people in countries like Greece starving. I wonder how their "independence" tastes when it's tainted with blood.
And can we just clarify that the EU was and is becoming a superstate. I know I wouldn't want to nationally identify as European as this would reduce competition in markets, and also has less chance of change if indefinitely needed.
Numberz_ June 24, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC
Does this mean we are no longer in europe
awesome_apricot June 24, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC
Final two points.One. Some people have hit what they perceive as rock bottom. They see no better. They have no future within the EU and want change to change this. For example our fishing industry has been royally fucked. What about steel? You'd vote to leave. Low paid labour etc. Many are fed up of being led by Brussels.
Two. What's done is done. As much as you will disagree with the decision the likelihood is that the Hungarians, Dutch, French, Italians and Polish will all have referendums too, and possibly leave. We won't be the only ones leaving. So back the country, get behind it and let us move forward.
Let's not all get depressed and fight each other.
Divide and conqure. Rings a few bells...
JDKL June 24, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC
I believe another referendum for Scotland is coming soon due to them wanting to stay in the EU.awesome_apricot June 24, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC
I believe another referendum for Scotland is coming soon due to them wanting to stay in the EU.
JDKL June 24, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC
Nope. They'd have to take the Euro and I doubt they would want that. Sturgeon is a mug. She lost fair and square last time bur hadn't stopped bitching and moaning since
Myworld6 June 24, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC
Sorry but Greece Portugal Italy are all in the EU. Where's their financial stability? It was the German banks that fucked them in the first place.
And can we just clarify that the EU was and is becoming a superstate. I know I wouldn't want to nationally identify as European as this would reduce competition in markets, and also has less chance of change if indefinitely needed.
If we don't have another referendum and stay, there won't be a UK! NI and Scotland will leave.
Myworld6 June 24, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC
Nope. They'd have to take the Euro and I doubt they would want that. Sturgeon is a mug. She lost fair and square last time bur hadn't stopped bitching and moaning since
By the way, good luck getting cheap housing for university. That's gone out of the window, thanks to Farage and Johnson.
Zintenka June 24, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC
Jesus Christ...You guys should've stayed... I'm gonna feel sorry for you guys in the coming years...
I knew something was wrong when I heard talk of the coming disunity within the UK... I saw the stock market thing of the pound. And... it literally took a HARD crash.
Some guy linked my Halo Skype group this, I know the situation is really bad and I DO NOT take this as a joke. But this is the only thing that I got:
And I saw this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDp5ngVeB-A
Jesus Christ... You should've voted to STAY!
Zintenka June 24, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC
I think a lesson is to be learned here.Nationalism can only lead to heavy problems.
Myworld6 June 24, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC
Jesus Christ...
You guys should've stayed... I'm gonna feel sorry for you guys in the coming years...
I knew something was wrong when I heard talk of the coming disunity within the UK... I saw the stock market thing of the pound. And... it literally took a HARD crash.
Some guy linked my Halo Skype group this, I know the situation is really bad and I DO NOT take this as a joke. But this is the only thing that I got:
And I saw this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDp5ngVeB-A
Jesus Christ... You should've voted to STAY!
Use your damned heads! Stop worrying about your pathetic pride.
Sign it here: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
It was NOT a clear majority. Another one CAN happen and WILL happen if we have the stones to demand it!
Iron June 24, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC
It's why people need to sign the petition for a second referendum.
Use your damned heads! Stop worrying about your pathetic pride.
Sign it here: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
It was NOT a clear majority. Another one CAN happen and WILL happen if we have the stones to demand it!
Myworld6 June 24, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC
There is no chance of a second referendum. It would destroy Britain. Especially if LEAVE wins again. Not to mention it would also have to happen before the Scottish referendum.
Moreover, according to the UK's constitutional laws, a referendum MUST have a clear majority. 2% is NOT a clear majority.
And Sturgeon won't be able to negotiate an independence vote for months at least. That's enough time to approve a new referendum vote.
Even if you're right, I pray that there are people like me who won't be satisfied until they've tried to fight for their future. We've let the elderly (the majority of which voted for independence) decide our future. How about we decide it for ourselves?
Iron June 24, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC
No, that's the thing. If we leave, Scotland and Northern Ireland will demand independence, dissolving the UK. That WILL destroy BRITAIN.
Moreover, according to the UK's constitutional laws, a referendum MUST have a clear majority. 2% is NOT a clear majority.
And Sturgeon won't be able to negotiate an independence vote for months at least. That's enough time to approve a new referendum vote.
Even if you're right, I pray that there are people like me who won't be satisfied until they've tried to fight for their future. We've let the elderly (the majority of which voted for independence) decide our future. How about we decide it for ourselves?
Myworld6 June 24, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC
Fair enough, either or; the UK is in quite a mess.
DaGoldBrick June 25, 2016 at 12:06 AM UTC
Sorry but Greece Portugal Italy are all in the EU. Where's their financial stability? It was the German banks that fucked them in the first place.
And can we just clarify that the EU was and is becoming a superstate. I know I wouldn't want to nationally identify as European as this would reduce competition in markets, and also has less chance of change if indefinitely needed.
Zintenka June 25, 2016 at 12:06 AM UTC
A member of my Halo Skype group sent this in:
The President of the European Parliament, Martin Schulz, says the EU will not allow the UK to re-join the single market.
The President of the European Parliament, Martin Schulz, says the EU will not allow the UK to re-join the single market.
"Leave is leave", he said. "The UK just decided to leave the European Union and that means also the single market of the European Union. I wonder whether this is a rational decision. It is an emotional one."
Mr Schulz said he respected the decision of the British people, but felt it was the wrong one.
"The UK had lost independence nowhere. The UK is not a part of Schengen, it's not a part of the euro. The UK had a lot of opt-outs… it was the UK insisting always not to be a full-fledged member of the EU.
"The only areas they were a fully-fledged member is the single market and now they cut the links to the single market and look what happens today on the internal markets."
He said Leave campaigners had duped the British public by making false promises.
"Yes, that message that Britain alone would be stronger than together with the other countries of the European Union, this is a fairytale."
Myworld6 June 25, 2016 at 12:06 AM UTC
A member of my Halo Skype group sent this in:
The President of the European Parliament, Martin Schulz, says the EU will not allow the UK to re-join the single market."Leave is leave", he said. "The UK just decided to leave the European Union and that means also the single market of the European Union. I wonder whether this is a rational decision. It is an emotional one."Mr Schulz said he respected the decision of the British people, but felt it was the wrong one."The UK had lost independence nowhere. The UK is not a part of Schengen, it's not a part of the euro. The UK had a lot of opt-outs… it was the UK insisting always not to be a full-fledged member of the EU."The only areas they were a fully-fledged member is the single market and now they cut the links to the single market and look what happens today on the internal markets."He said Leave campaigners had duped the British public by making false promises."Yes, that message that Britain alone would be stronger than together with the other countries of the European Union, this is a fairytale."
Thus, at any point we could revoke the vote, and stay in the EU.
Zintenka June 25, 2016 at 1:06 AM UTC
He's lying. He doesn't have a choice. Until Article 50 is signed, we haven't left the EU.
Thus, at any point we could revoke the vote, and stay in the EU.
ElementalAssasin June 25, 2016 at 1:06 AM UTC
OH FREAK U MADE US INVOLVED WERE JUST PEACEFUL CANADIANS HELP!!!! TRUMP SAVE USZintenka June 25, 2016 at 2:06 AM UTC
OH FREAK U MADE US INVOLVED WERE JUST PEACEFUL CANADIANS HELP!!!! TRUMP SAVE US
steven5703 June 25, 2016 at 4:06 AM UTC
TooSweetSki June 25, 2016 at 4:06 AM UTC
Zintenka June 25, 2016 at 5:06 AM UTC
Zintenka June 25, 2016 at 5:06 AM UTC
The pound's value SHRUNK and scotland is planning on seceding from the UK. These are detrimental things that will effect Britain for years to come.
Besides that, you have friends and players here who live in the UK. This is quite disrespectful I'm afraid.
steven5703 June 25, 2016 at 6:06 AM UTC
Do you really think now's a time to be joking considering the consequences that is going to happen in the coming years for Britain?
The pound's value SHRUNK and scotland is planning on seceding from the UK. These are detrimental things that will effect Britain for years to come.
Besides that, you have friends and players here who live in the UK. This is quite disrespectful I'm afraid.
awesome_apricot June 25, 2016 at 7:06 AM UTC
So we leave. They can't get money. They go into hyperinflation. People are then left starving and dying on the streets. Good independence, there. Kill innocents because of your needless pride.
If we don't have another referendum and stay, there won't be a UK! NI and Scotland will leave.
People will die? What? What the actual fuck. That's the type of scare mongering tactics stay used in the first place.
It's just pathetic, and if you really believe that I feel for you man.
Uni fees and house fees were fucked in the first place if I remember correctly.
One day you will understand.. One day.
DaGoldBrick June 25, 2016 at 9:06 AM UTC
You my friend are deluded.
People will die? What? What the actual fuck. That's the type of scare mongering tactics stay used in the first place.
It's just pathetic, and if you really believe that I feel for you man.
Uni fees and house fees were fucked in the first place if I remember correctly.
One day you will understand.. One day.
But there was no need to put the UK in this position in the first place lol. What was wrong when we were in the EU economically (not gonna ask politically because you literally have 1 dogshit argument for that)?
DaFrozenBlaze June 25, 2016 at 12:06 PM UTC
Myworld6 June 25, 2016 at 12:06 PM UTC
You my friend are deluded.
People will die? What? What the actual fuck. That's the type of scare mongering tactics stay used in the first place.
It's just pathetic, and if you really believe that I feel for you man.
Uni fees and house fees were fucked in the first place if I remember correctly.
One day you will understand.. One day.
You've clearly never heard of hyperinflation. Try reading before you write. That WILL happen to Greece if the EU collapses.
I'M deluded? I'm not the one ignoring the consequences of leaving while still yapping on about it being our "independence day". Newsflash: The American Independence led to an extended period of racism, slavery, large numbers of deaths and, eventually, a civil war. Your oh-so-mighty Great Britains on't be Britain nymore when Scotland and Northern Ireland leave.
You clearly have no experience if you're foolish enough to believe that this will help housing fees.
Don't you dare patronise me. It's not hard to see that I know far more about this than you, while you...What? Claim to know more than countless businesses, financial experts, and political experts? Yeah, I'm really going to trust you and Nigel Farage (who can't keep his promises) over experts.
Oh, by the way. The majority of leave voters were the elderly 50+). Tells you a lot about the referndum, doesn't it?
Nice talking to you.
Ihze June 25, 2016 at 12:06 PM UTC
it was a joke u ignorant racistMyworld6 June 25, 2016 at 12:06 PM UTC
The economy will recover, I agree on that to an extent, an economy will always recover (unless ur Greece gg).
But there was no need to put the UK in this position in the first place lol. What was wrong when we were in the EU economically (not gonna ask politically because you literally have 1 dogshit argument for that)?
The economy may recover, but it will take a hell of a long time and it will probably never be as strong as it once was.
Pelpelajax June 25, 2016 at 12:06 PM UTC
Lying to get votes :c
Ihze June 25, 2016 at 12:06 PM UTC
Do you really think now's a time to be joking considering the consequences that is going to happen in the coming years for Britain?
The pound's value SHRUNK and scotland is planning on seceding from the UK. These are detrimental things that will effect Britain for years to come.
Besides that, you have friends and players here who live in the UK. This is quite disrespectful I'm afraid.
Crimson_Aught June 25, 2016 at 2:06 PM UTC
Keep calm, don't panic. No one will die. Immigrants won't be sent back. Economic agreements won't be terminated. After shock, everything will come back. Everyone continue live and enjoy life.And since referendum is over, maybe lock it to prevent flame wars and insults.
ElementalAssasin June 25, 2016 at 2:06 PM UTC
Keep calm, don't panic. No one will die. Immigrants won't be sent back. Economic agreements won't be terminated. After shock, everything will come back. Everyone continue live and enjoy life.
And since referendum is over, maybe lock it to prevent flame wars and insults.
awesome_apricot June 25, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC
Yeah, scaremongering. Are you that narrow-minded? They warned that the pound's value would drop, and it did. They warned us that cheaper housing would be harder to come by, and it has.
You've clearly never heard of hyperinflation. Try reading before you write. That WILL happen to Greece if the EU collapses.
I'M deluded? I'm not the one ignoring the consequences of leaving while still yapping on about it being our "independence day". Newsflash: The American Independence led to an extended period of racism, slavery, large numbers of deaths and, eventually, a civil war. Your oh-so-mighty Great Britains on't be Britain nymore when Scotland and Northern Ireland leave.
You clearly have no experience if you're foolish enough to believe that this will help housing fees.
Don't you dare patronise me. It's not hard to see that I know far more about this than you, while you...What? Claim to know more than countless businesses, financial experts, and political experts? Yeah, I'm really going to trust you and Nigel Farage (who can't keep his promises) over experts.
Oh, by the way. The majority of leave voters were the elderly 50+). Tells you a lot about the referndum, doesn't it?
Nice talking to you.
After extensive research, from both of my parents running businesses within the UK and one in France to Morroco and Tunisia I can most likely tell you that I am more qualified to talk about the economy.
House prices are ridiculously high, they will slow off soon whether leaving the EU anyway as we have a housing shortage, therefore more houses which reduces supply and demand and therefore price.
Most elder people are business owners or have a higher paid job and therefore have more of a knowledge on the situation as they know the consequences and the good parts.
It is nice talking to you unless you dont want to talk anymore?
Oh and tk point towards a civil war and death? And why Cannot independence day not refer to leaving the EU? Surely that's what independence means regardless of past events?
I'm not even patronising you you actually intrigue me in the way you present your topics and opinion, because I'm sure one day someone won't like the way you talk to them..
awesome_apricot June 25, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC
The economy will recover, I agree on that to an extent, an economy will always recover (unless ur Greece gg).
But there was no need to put the UK in this position in the first place lol. What was wrong when we were in the EU economically (not gonna ask politically because you literally have 1 dogshit argument for that)?
And the US, Canada and Germany have already come forward asking for trade deals :^)
Crimson_Aught June 25, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC
but Canada is now involved since british influence is still here and our stocks have already been affected due to the uk leaving the eu so now were freaking affected due to some immigrants taking peoples jobs
My last argument: Most of you live not in such tipe of country to complain about it. You know, in my country things are worse. ;-)
awesome_apricot June 25, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC
Lying to get votes :c
I'm very left wing. I hate the bastard.
BUT.
He wasn't part of the official LEAVE campaign.
Therefore he never claimed those, and had the right to deny it as a member of UKIP and an MEP calling for UK independence INDEPENDENTLY.
It's just a hyperdermic needle effect.
awesome_apricot June 25, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC
A Prime Minister resigned. The £ plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground. But then the £ rallied past February levels, and the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4% up on last Friday, its best performance in 4 months. President Obama decided we wouldn't be at the 'back of the queue' after all and that our 'special relationship' was still strong. The French President confirmed the Le Touquet agreement would stay in place. The President of the European Commission stated Brexit negations would be 'orderly' and stressed the UK would continue to be a 'close partner' of the EU. A big bank denied reports it would shift 2,000 staff overseas. The CBI, vehemently anti-Brexit during the referendum campaign, stated British business was resilient and would adapt. Several countries outside the EU stated they wished to begin bi-lateral trade talks with the UK immediately. If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one.Credit to someone I know.
Over and out.
Myworld6 June 25, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC
The pound is at the same value as in February. Recovered nearly already.
After extensive research, from both of my parents running businesses within the UK and one in France to Morroco and Tunisia I can most likely tell you that I am more qualified to talk about the economy.
House prices are ridiculously high, they will slow off soon whether leaving the EU anyway as we have a housing shortage, therefore more houses which reduces supply and demand and therefore price.
Most elder people are business owners or have a higher paid job and therefore have more of a knowledge on the situation as they know the consequences and the good parts.
It is nice talking to you unless you dont want to talk anymore?
Oh and tk point towards a civil war and death? And why Cannot independence day not refer to leaving the EU? Surely that's what independence means regardless of past events?
I'm not even patronising you you actually intrigue me in the way you present your topics and opinion, because I'm sure one day someone won't like the way you talk to them..
Your parents may run companies, but I highly doubt those businesses make them more experienced than people like Richard Branson, who is a billionaire, created a hugely successful company, AND warned AGAINST leaving.
So they know more about the economy and want to limit the younger generations? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-anger-bregret-leave-voters-protest-vote-thought.... Almost all of the people who voted leave conceded that the primary motivation was IMMIGRATION, which has BENEFITED the economy.
I didn't mention civil war. I mentioned this (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683296/Scotland-second-independence-referendum-Brexit-result) and this (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/21/northern-ireland-fear-brexit-conflict-good-fri...). I'm thinking about MORE than just England. We rely on the rest of the U.K as much as they rely on us. If they break away, your glorious independent U.K won't be the U.K anymore.
My point about it being declared an "Independence Day" comes from the fact that people are treating it like a "victory" for the young, when we're the ones who will suffer! I for one wanted to gain experience in other EU countries when I was older. Well, that's never going to happen without a VISA, is it?
"One day you will understand.. One day." That sounds a great deal like you're being patronising. I've been studying the EU for years. I know when it was formed, why it was created, who the original members were, and what led to it turning from the European Common Market to the EU. I know the benefits for leaving, and I know the benefits of staying. I've gone from one to the other, and staying is/was the best option.
By the way, I never insult people when I debate. The only reason I insulted you was because to begin with you claimed I was "deluded" (even though your every point has been rebuffed and disproven) and you then adopted a patronising manner, which indicated that you still do not understand why the young, who will have to clear up after the current generation, are voting to STAY.
Myworld6 June 25, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC
A Prime Minister resigned. The £ plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground. But then the £ rallied past February levels, and the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4% up on last Friday, its best performance in 4 months. President Obama decided we wouldn't be at the 'back of the queue' after all and that our 'special relationship' was still strong. The French President confirmed the Le Touquet agreement would stay in place. The President of the European Commission stated Brexit negations would be 'orderly' and stressed the UK would continue to be a 'close partner' of the EU. A big bank denied reports it would shift 2,000 staff overseas. The CBI, vehemently anti-Brexit during the referendum campaign, stated British business was resilient and would adapt. Several countries outside the EU stated they wished to begin bi-lateral trade talks with the UK immediately. If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one.
Credit to someone I know.
Over and out.
awesome_apricot June 25, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC
Even though it was able to reach the lowest it's ever been in approximately 30 years?
Your parents may run companies, but I highly doubt those businesses make them more experienced than people like Richard Branson, who is a billionaire, created a hugely successful company, AND warned AGAINST leaving.
So they know more about the economy and want to limit the younger generations? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-anger-bregret-leave-voters-protest-vote-thought.... Almost all of the people who voted leave conceded that the primary motivation was IMMIGRATION, which has BENEFITED the economy.
I didn't mention civil war. I mentioned this (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683296/Scotland-second-independence-referendum-Brexit-result) and this (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/21/northern-ireland-fear-brexit-conflict-good-fri...). I'm thinking about MORE than just England. We rely on the rest of the U.K as much as they rely on us. If they break away, your glorious independent U.K won't be the U.K anymore.
My point about it being declared an "Independence Day" comes from the fact that people are treating it like a "victory" for the young, when we're the ones who will suffer! I for one wanted to gain experience in other EU countries when I was older. Well, that's never going to happen without a VISA, is it?
"One day you will understand.. One day." That sounds a great deal like you're being patronising. I've been studying the EU for years. I know when it was formed, why it was created, who the original members were, and what led to it turning from the European Common Market to the EU. I know the benefits for leaving, and I know the benefits of staying. I've gone from one to the other, and staying is/was the best option.
By the way, I never insult people when I debate. The only reason I insulted you was because to begin with you claimed I was "deluded" (even though your every point has been rebuffed and disproven) and you then adopted a patronising manner, which indicated that you still do not understand why the young, who will have to clear up after the current generation, are voting to STAY.
The EU let the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor.
And if you had studied the eu for years then you'd understand that it is a failed experiment of a new US, and mot what it intended to be! If you'd studied the EU for years then you'd know how Un democratic it is. If you'd studied the EU for years you'd realise why the rich wanted us to stay. If you'd studied the EU for years you know our economy is strong enough without supposed support
(which we'd never get look at Italy and Greece). If you'd studied the EU for years you'd understand that the EU doesn't give us financial security (same countries again).
There was even talks of an EU army. You realise how dangerous that would be?
AstroPizza June 25, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC
The pound is at the same value as in February. Recovered nearly already.
After extensive research, from both of my parents running businesses within the UK and one in France to Morroco and Tunisia I can most likely tell you that I am more qualified to talk about the economy.
House prices are ridiculously high, they will slow off soon whether leaving the EU anyway as we have a housing shortage, therefore more houses which reduces supply and demand and therefore price.
Most elder people are business owners or have a higher paid job and therefore have more of a knowledge on the situation as they know the consequences and the good parts.
It is nice talking to you unless you dont want to talk anymore?
Oh and tk point towards a civil war and death? And why Cannot independence day not refer to leaving the EU? Surely that's what independence means regardless of past events?
I'm not even patronising you you actually intrigue me in the way you present your topics and opinion, because I'm sure one day someone won't like the way you talk to them..
Can i ask you to link your sources?
I need something to counter instead of single man claims , just would like something to back up what you're saying.
awesome_apricot June 25, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC
I did say i didn't want to get involved but mr pizza is getting triggered.
Can i ask you to link your sources?
I need something to counter instead of single man claims , just would like something to back up what you're saying.
Myworld6 June 25, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC
You can have my word that they are valid, as I am not going to trawl through each and every article, forum and discussion for the sake of avicus
Myworld6 June 25, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC
The reason why the rich people wanted to stay for a reason.
The EU let the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor.
And if you had studied the eu for years then you'd understand that it is a failed experiment of a new US, and mot what it intended to be! If you'd studied the EU for years then you'd know how Un democratic it is. If you'd studied the EU for years you'd realise why the rich wanted us to stay. If you'd studied the EU for years you know our economy is strong enough without supposed support
(which we'd never get look at Italy and Greece). If you'd studied the EU for years you'd understand that the EU doesn't give us financial security (same countries again).
There was even talks of an EU army. You realise how dangerous that would be?
So we can all be poor together? Great plan! I wonder who will employ the workers, then.
Right, a failed experiment. By leaving, we wiped out 12 years of EU contributions. We lost even more money "that could go to the NHS" by leaving.
So your logic is to leave and cause it to crash? Leave Greece, Spain, Ireland, Poland, etc. poor and without aid? Good way to repay former allies for their help in those world wars you mentioned (Ireland and Poland both fought with the British - The BRITISH, not the ENGLISH, which the leave campaign is threatening to dissolve).
Right, so explain to me why the young want to stay? I'm not rich, nor am I poor. Yet I want to stay, just like 75% of the country's young people.
Our economy wasn't strong before we joined. We've been recovering IN the EU. In the last few years, we've recovered and are still taking loans from the EU. Why? Because we're not strong enough.
No more dangerous than a government that can make their own laws and dismiss the "Human Rights" if they wish. You also forgot the fact that almost every country dismissed it. It was never going to happen.
One more thing: You mocked my belief that people could die. So you don't believe that the Troubles could start again? You don't believe that people in poor EU countries will be starving as they try to find a way to survive?
awesome_apricot June 25, 2016 at 4:06 PM UTC
Sorry but I laughed too hard at this.
Are you suggesting elder people aren't valid to vote?
Myworld6 June 25, 2016 at 4:06 PM UTC
Sorry but I laughed too hard at this.
Are you suggesting elder people aren't valid to vote?
But as you brought it up, I'm of the mind that if they are allowed to vote, then 16-17 year olds should be allowed to as well.
awesome_apricot June 25, 2016 at 4:06 PM UTC
Where on Earth did I suggest that?
But as you brought it up, I'm of the mind that if they are allowed to vote, then 16-17 year olds should be allowed to as well.
If voting made a difference they wouldn't let us do it.
Myworld6 June 25, 2016 at 4:06 PM UTC
At the end of the day.
If voting made a difference they wouldn't let us do it.