Stereotypes by MLGtino May 29, 2014 at 1:05 AM UTC
Now I don't wanna dart anything too big. No flame please. Let's act like mature children. Just try and hide it please.I want to ask one question:
Do you think that it's a stereotype to say Overcast players are based gods and that Avicus players suck at PvP? Do you think it's true?
I hear this a lot from both Avicus and Overcast players. I just wanted you guys take on it.
Sorry for any flame, I just wanna help settle this a bit.
Zaayk May 29, 2014 at 1:05 AM UTC
Nah, actually, I've played on OCN a couple times, some of them talk about US like gods. :/MustardMan227 May 29, 2014 at 1:05 AM UTC
Nah, actually, I've played on OCN a couple times, some of them talk about US like gods. :/
D00ZiE May 29, 2014 at 1:05 AM UTC
Nah, actually, I've played on OCN a couple times, some of them talk about US like gods. :/
I would agree with the statement that the majority of Avicus players are not as good as the majority of OCN players.
Although I do believe that there are some Avicus players that can hold their own against Overcast players.
Hakkniv May 29, 2014 at 1:05 AM UTC
The best avicus players are just as good as the best OCNrs, but the average Avicus player is much worse.OriginaI May 29, 2014 at 1:05 AM UTC
I could take on one of the best in ocn I thinkmukmukfriend May 29, 2014 at 2:05 AM UTC
Have you seen good avicus people join good ocn teams? Not really. I've seen a lot of good ocn players join good avicus teams.Hakkniv May 29, 2014 at 2:05 AM UTC
^ doesnt mean anything.Phobiaxx May 29, 2014 at 2:05 AM UTC
I just hate sterotypes ^_^ but... we can never know who's better at pvp, because everyday underrated pvpers join each server....... So, we're pretty much equals ^_^mukmukfriend May 29, 2014 at 2:05 AM UTC
To be fair, the only logical way to decide this is to have a double elimination tournament of iron PvP ocn best vs avicus bestBOSS_Turtle98 May 29, 2014 at 2:05 AM UTC
I agree with D00ZIE. My thoughts exactly :pcinammoncroc000 May 29, 2014 at 2:05 AM UTC
I do not think that OCN are these "based Gods" compared to us. I mean, I've played OCN a fair bit, and from what I've seen I don't see any difference.Awarrior May 29, 2014 at 2:05 AM UTC
Avicus was once able to compete against Overcast in terms of player count... But, I gotta admit their average player base is much more better than our's.Personnally, I didnt have any troubles killing them.
One thing to mention: Avicus Ping: 19ms
OCN Ping: 45ms
It made a slight difference in terms of NCP problems when fighting
ctdggd May 29, 2014 at 2:05 AM UTC
I've played a bit on ocn.Overall...
-They arent as good of "pals" as us
-On average, an ocn player is better at pvp than an average avicus player
-over 75% of OCD happen to be "meh" shots (one dude missed me while I was talking at point blank, and very few can hit a moving target.
-No offense, but a ton of their maps are more "shoot TNT at the opponents base. Not a ton of sky bridging.
-most decent avicus players could take on their decent players.
-They have WAY to many maps. Like way to much. Like a ton. Not sure how it helps/hurts pvp, but I wanted to say that.
In the end, ocn has a much bigger player count than avicus (about equal to mczone)
im not trying to diss OCD players
Also anyone notice how in their forums they like rarely talk about us?
LeCobalt May 29, 2014 at 2:05 AM UTC
Both servers have their deficienciesAvicus has both good and eeew maps so does OCN
OCN actually focuses more on PvP when making maps, so gameplay is more challenging on that server
Y0urm0m1 May 29, 2014 at 2:05 AM UTC
I am a below average OCN player and i am not based god sadly :(. I really suck at pvp but in Avicus, they think i am pretty good. In OCN, i am a total scrub.Back on topic- Ya, i gotta admit. From my experience, average OCN players are better than Avicus. (no h8 please. just my experience) but i do not think Avicus people are weaker than OCN people. I think of them as equals. I have seen avicus players like D00zie and gonzo that are boss at pvp.
SpicyTunaRoll9 May 29, 2014 at 2:05 AM UTC
I kinda have to agree with this.Y0urm0m1 May 29, 2014 at 2:05 AM UTC
I've played a bit on ocn.
Overall...
-They arent as good of "pals" as us
-On average, an ocn player is better at pvp than an average avicus player
-over 75% of OCD happen to be "meh" shots (one dude missed me while I was talking at point blank, and very few can hit a moving target.
-No offense, but a ton of their maps are more "shoot TNT at the opponents base. Not a ton of sky bridging.
-most decent avicus players could take on their decent players.
-They have WAY to many maps. Like way to much. Like a ton. Not sure how it helps/hurts pvp, but I wanted to say that.
In the end, ocn has a much bigger player count than avicus (about equal to mczone)
im not trying to diss OCD players
Also anyone notice how in their forums they like rarely talk about us?
For the maps, OCN puts some maps in the rots and the rest are in the repo. (repository) for later use.
mukmukfriend May 29, 2014 at 2:05 AM UTC
I've played a bit on ocn.
Overall...
-They arent as good of "pals" as us
-On average, an ocn player is better at pvp than an average avicus player
-over 75% of OCD happen to be "meh" shots (one dude missed me while I was talking at point blank, and very few can hit a moving target.
-No offense, but a ton of their maps are more "shoot TNT at the opponents base. Not a ton of sky bridging.
-most decent avicus players could take on their decent players.
-They have WAY to many maps. Like way to much. Like a ton. Not sure how it helps/hurts pvp, but I wanted to say that.
In the end, ocn has a much bigger player count than avicus (about equal to mczone)
im not trying to diss OCD players
Also anyone notice how in their forums they like rarely talk about us?
Pigbeard_Pete May 29, 2014 at 3:05 AM UTC
Nah, actually, I've played on OCN a couple times, some of them talk about US like gods. :/
D00ZiE May 29, 2014 at 3:05 AM UTC
IMO avicus randies=ocn randies. Us ocn players went to mczones tournament and we won it after being hackusated to shit.
I unfortunately was not able to take part in the first tourney. But there are a lot of new players since then :P
Pigbeard_Pete May 29, 2014 at 3:05 AM UTC
To be fair, the only logical way to decide this is to have a double elimination tournament of iron PvP ocn best vs avicus best
Pigbeard_Pete May 29, 2014 at 3:05 AM UTC
idk which team I would choose. I'm afraid to choose....kycrafft May 29, 2014 at 3:05 AM UTC
The last tourney didn't bode well with Avicus users...
kycrafft May 29, 2014 at 3:05 AM UTC
But really OCN players on average are a bit (not that much) better to do the learning curve on their server.ImJeezus May 29, 2014 at 3:05 AM UTC
idk which team I would choose. I'm afraid to choose....
Taught myself baby.
Pigbeard_Pete May 29, 2014 at 3:05 AM UTC
Well, I learned how to pvp on OCN.
Taught myself baby.
ImJeezus May 29, 2014 at 3:05 AM UTC
same. thats why my kd on OCN sux assiness
BrickPlaysMC May 29, 2014 at 3:05 AM UTC
Guys I am from OCN, let me answer this question, people who are bad at Avicus usually don't go up against average OCN, but OCN loves rushers and because of that most and a majority of them suck at PVP, I know this from experience I have been on that old server for quite some time.creeper2o2 May 29, 2014 at 3:05 AM UTC
Uh huh:D
ImJeezus May 29, 2014 at 4:05 AM UTC
People try to defend things.OCN defends OCN by saying they are better.
Avicus defends Avicus by saying OCN overrates themselves.
BrickPlaysMC May 29, 2014 at 4:05 AM UTC
TNTTurtles look at my stats when I say they suck at pvp, I mean it. XDBtw OCN Stats not Avicus stats!
ImJeezus May 29, 2014 at 4:05 AM UTC
TNTTurtles look at my stats when I say they suck at pvp, I mean it. XD
Btw OCN Stats not Avicus stats!
It's pvp that matters.
BrickPlaysMC May 29, 2014 at 4:05 AM UTC
Stats don't judge anything.
It's pvp that matters.
TheOpAmerican May 29, 2014 at 4:05 AM UTC
I just went on OCN and played whatever their version of nebula was.Just being honest, but I think the average avicus pvp'er is better than the average ocn pvp'er.
in other words, it was "eZ"
Y0urm0m1 May 29, 2014 at 4:05 AM UTC
Guys I am from OCN, let me answer this question, people who are bad at Avicus usually don't go up against average OCN, but OCN loves rushers and because of that most and a majority of them suck at PVP, I know this from experience I have been on that old server for quite some time.
Another thing: OCN sucks at pvp?
BOSS_Turtle98 May 29, 2014 at 4:05 AM UTC
I just went on OCN and played whatever their version of nebula was.
Just being honest, but I think the average avicus pvp'er is better than the average ocn pvp'er.
in other words, it was "eZ"
TheOpAmerican May 29, 2014 at 4:05 AM UTC
From what I played against, Avicus is much more tougher.dodgerXyz May 29, 2014 at 4:05 AM UTC
Since OCN has a larger community/ player rate, they are naturally going to have better players, then, since Avicus is smaller it will have less. Also the perks of being on a larger server is that you face a lot more pvp styles than a smaller server. This doesn't mean that you can't have an elite smaller server. It's chances of "good" to "bad" player ratio will probably be smaller.Pigbeard_Pete May 29, 2014 at 4:05 AM UTC
From what I played against, Avicus is much more tougher.
ImJeezus May 29, 2014 at 4:05 AM UTC
Since OCN has a larger community/ player rate, they are naturally going to have better players, then, since Avicus is smaller it will have less. Also the perks of being on a larger server is that you face a lot more pvp styles than a smaller server. This doesn't mean that you can't have an elite smaller server. It's chances of "good" to "bad" player ratio will probably be smaller.
TemporaryBan May 29, 2014 at 5:05 AM UTC
From the looks of this topic most people are saying that the Average OCN player is better, saying that OCN has a bigger player base then us. we have "less" players to choose from for our average therefor our average would be lower.mukmukfriend May 29, 2014 at 5:05 AM UTC
From the looks of this topic most people are saying that the Average OCN player is better, saying that OCN has a bigger player base then us. we have "less" players to choose from for our average therefor our average would be lower.
dodgerXyz May 29, 2014 at 6:05 AM UTC
That is not true. Servers with more players tend to be usually worse due to having a better chance of vsing bad pvpers. Bad pvpers = no inproovment
Shadowbladz May 29, 2014 at 9:05 AM UTC
OCN would win a cannon war.OCN would win a bow war.
Sword wise pretty tied.
Shadowbladz May 29, 2014 at 9:05 AM UTC
Also, a lot of people are pointing out good OCN come here and get into good teams or make their own.Lots of these players come from "invitational" teams, which means their team is in the top 16 skill wise generally.
Of course they're going to do well here, they do well on OCN already.
Jerseys May 29, 2014 at 11:05 AM UTC
The people who say their god's on avicus and OCN, they just rubbish.Pigbeard_Pete June 1, 2014 at 8:06 AM UTC
Well, today, as most of us know, OCN was hacked and was shut down. In the absence of OCN, hundreds of regulars scrambled to Avicus for their daily dose of PvP. Playing today, I noticed the regulars and I also noticed the steady dropping of my KDR which was 4.2 this morning. These two events may well be connected, does this say something about Avicus and OCN players?ayy June 1, 2014 at 8:06 AM UTC
Nah, actually, I've played on OCN a couple times, some of them talk about US like gods. :/
Pigbeard_Pete June 1, 2014 at 8:06 AM UTC
Wait what
Zintenka June 1, 2014 at 8:06 AM UTC
I am both an OCN and Avicus Veteran. I play on both servers equally. But here's what I got to say: OCN has a large variety of maps with a large diversity of gamemodes.Plus a very high player count. These contribute to a higher chance of good as well as bad players.
Avicore on the other hand, has a lower variety of gamemodes and complete mistrust of TNT (Disappointed) plus smaller maps and player count. This, unfortunately, makes Avicore have a lower chance of elite pvpers and a higher chance of garbo pvpers. Plus, lets not forget that ping and hardware contribute to these equations as well.
0V3R_P0W3R June 1, 2014 at 9:06 AM UTC
I play OCN a lot, and i think doing kills on avicus is TOO EASY, not all are bad, but a lot of players here are not so good on PvPParthDarthVader June 1, 2014 at 12:06 PM UTC
You guys say that an average pvper on Avicus has no chance against the average player on OCN. My KD on OCN proves that.Once it comes back up: oc.tc/FrankenRavi
cdog911 June 1, 2014 at 3:06 PM UTC
Having been on OCN for over 2 years, I honestly say that the overall level of PvP has gone down a bit. I'm not the best at PvP but I can hold my own on either server. Plus there are so many different aspects of PvP, its hard to tell who's better at PvP. For example, on OCNs destroy and nostalgia servers, we have some of if not the best cannoners in the game, while Avicus(as far as I've seen doesnt have any cannoning maps). I think it would be pretty even other than that.aagrant99 June 1, 2014 at 3:06 PM UTC
I am going to miss project Ares.mustacheman28105 June 1, 2014 at 3:06 PM UTC
I am going to miss project Ares.
kycrafft June 1, 2014 at 3:06 PM UTC
Having been on OCN for over 2 years, I honestly say that the overall level of PvP has gone down a bit. I'm not the best at PvP but I can hold my own on either server. Plus there are so many different aspects of PvP, its hard to tell who's better at PvP. For example, on OCNs destroy and nostalgia servers, we have some of if not the best cannoners in the game, while Avicus(as far as I've seen doesnt have any cannoning maps). I think it would be pretty even other than that.
I pretty good myself. I can make a chaos :3
mustacheman28105 June 1, 2014 at 3:06 PM UTC
I understand that you guys have much more experience cannoning.
I pretty good myself. I can make a chaos :3
kycrafft June 1, 2014 at 3:06 PM UTC
Pppffffff, chaos n00b have do you oven kno wut a whiskey canon is m8?
Shadowbladz June 1, 2014 at 3:06 PM UTC
Pffff I know how to make all types of cannons it's just that they just end up turning into chaos' one way or another.
Kidding :P
mustacheman28105 June 2, 2014 at 1:06 AM UTC
If you can't cannon I lose 50% of my respect for you.
Kidding :P
also kidding :P
BrickPlaysMC June 4, 2014 at 8:06 AM UTC
. OCN does not love rushers. You know, people that usually rush are there just to play the game. Your basically saying that "playing the game" is bad. To stop "rushing" it is just simple defending. and also, OCN does not love rushers. Who ever said that? IF you have a problem about rushing, just deal with it.
Another thing: OCN sucks at pvp?
_CubeRoot June 4, 2014 at 9:06 AM UTC
I think you and I have different views on rushing, see I KNOW they love rushing, the gameplay is alway made unenjoyable when one player just runs straight for the core to break it within two minutes of the game, although at some times it can be fun because I love defending so it becomes a kill feed, Avicus maps don't allow players to rush as quickly as oc.tc, because mostly the maps have larger void gaps, etc. That is my definition of rushing, is that yours? Because it does not seem to be, I did not say ALL of OCN sucks at pvp, I'd say a majority, a multitude if you will.
Your comment on a multitude of OCN players sucking at PVP? Well... Your stats show otherwise.
At the time of writing:
OCN Stats:
Kills: 9509
Deaths: 3545
K/D: 2.282 (3DP)
Avicus Stats:
Kills: 1201
Deaths: 312
K/D: 3.849 (3DP)
Granted, you have spent more time on OCN, but your K/D ratio shows that you did not get as many kills on OCN players as you did on Avicus players and your K/D dropped by ~1.6, a very large number for K/D drop between two servers. Either your gameplay style changes drastically between the servers, or Avicus players are easier to beat than OCN players. The latter seems more realistic to me.
I do agree with D00ZiE though. Average OCN players are better than average Avicus players. I don't know many good Avicus players, but I would think there's some Avicus players who would still manage to survive against OCN's best.
build_high June 4, 2014 at 10:06 AM UTC
I have played on OCN a bit and they don't "love rushing" as some have said. Anyways on avicore I always rush and there are many like me who always goes for the monuments and get them almost every game. This significantly lowers some peoples K/DR and lowers the quality of our PvP. Also OCN have different game modes to us, so they use different PvP styles on different maps making it hard to properly compare pvp.Zedther June 4, 2014 at 10:06 AM UTC
yeah those Avicus players are really bad at PVPPumpkination June 4, 2014 at 10:06 AM UTC
Meh, it might be because avicus is younger and is really easy to use for new players,some avicus players are gods though, and they stand up with most OCN gods too.
But the average player....blocking monuments as a defence, gosh I hate it ;-;
Also I cant really compare, as on avicus I get around a 400-600 ping connection for some reason, so I can never tell if someone is good or is a ping warrior :P
Pumpkination June 4, 2014 at 10:06 AM UTC
Avicus was once able to compete against Overcast in terms of player count... But, I gotta admit their average player base is much more better than our's.
Personnally, I didnt have any troubles killing them.
One thing to mention: Avicus Ping: 19ms
OCN Ping: 45ms
It made a slight difference in terms of NCP problems when fighting
D00ZiE June 4, 2014 at 11:06 AM UTC
yeah those Avicus players are really bad at PVP
But honestly I don't believe that PvP K/D is a good reflection of the level of play for each server. I go on TeamSpeak pretty constantly and a lot of the time whenever we catch somebody combat loging they are from OCN. Now I'm not saying that ALL OCN players combat log, I'm just saying that there is that level of play that all OCN players feel like they have to live up to (this leads to combat logging to achieve a good K/D).
Yung_Metro June 4, 2014 at 11:06 AM UTC
I agree pf76. Avicus has not nearly been up as long as OCN. I also find it is much easier to get kills on OCN than Avicus.MLGtino June 4, 2014 at 11:06 AM UTC
The thing is that OCN has been up for like... 2 years? Their highest ranked player (Leap_) has about 100000 kills. We've only been up for 8 months and some players like me and Sunrise728 are at 60000 kills (actually he's over 60000 now).Thats not saying much about PvP since its of course Avicus, but it definitely shows dedication and determination.
cdog911 June 4, 2014 at 2:06 PM UTC
The thing is that OCN has been up for like... 2 years? Their highest ranked player (Leap_) has about 100000 kills. We've only been up for 8 months and some players like me and Sunrise728 are at 60000 kills (actually he's over 60000 now).
Thats not saying much about PvP since its of course Avicus, but it definitely shows dedication and determination.
NewVoltdrive June 4, 2014 at 2:06 PM UTC
I think the average Avicus player is equal to the average OCN player.But, I think the best Avicus players are worse than the best OCN players.
Basically, I think the curve is steeper for OCN than Avicus.
Lieutenantpants June 4, 2014 at 3:06 PM UTC
Gameplay differs between the two networks quite a bit and I don't think it's fair to compare players from either based on skill in their specialty.Y0urm0m1 June 4, 2014 at 5:06 PM UTC
It depends on what type of pvp. There is the regular pvp (sword combat) and bow pvp, and best of all (HUEueue) cannon pvp.D00ZiE June 4, 2014 at 5:06 PM UTC
I think the average Avicus player is equal to the average OCN player.
But, I think the best Avicus players are worse than the best OCN players.
Basically, I think the curve is steeper for OCN than Avicus.
The average OCN player is better than the average Aviucs player.
The best on Avicus are just as good as the best on OCN.
ImJeezus June 4, 2014 at 9:06 PM UTC
The thing is that OCN has been up for like... 2 years? Their highest ranked player (Leap_) has about 100000 kills. We've only been up for 8 months and some players like me and Sunrise728 are at 60000 kills (actually he's over 60000 now).
Thats not saying much about PvP since its of course Avicus, but it definitely shows dedication and determination.
Average Overcast Regular is usually older than the Average Avicus Regular, meaning we deal with more stuff IRL usually.
Not to mention how much playing time you guys have already.
NewVoltdrive June 4, 2014 at 9:06 PM UTC
Your statement is opposite if the truth.
The average OCN player is better than the average Aviucs player.
The best on Avicus are just as good as the best on OCN.
mr_penguin_12 June 4, 2014 at 9:06 PM UTC
It depends, some ocn players are op like i can't hit them op......but some ocn player are ezz. Here on avicus im just an average player i don't have tooo much difficulty killing players. And i get reallly annoyed by their bow spamming -_- it isn't fair........ocn....ctdggd June 9, 2014 at 8:06 PM UTC
bow spamming is fair.i do it
its easy to dodge, especially if you make a quick wall and strafe.
or do it 2 the one doing it 2 u!