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Why Team Allah is in the Invitationals by DonaldMyTrump December 7, 2016 at 1:12 PM UTC

Howdy,

The top three records out of group B were
Labradoodles 4-0-1 (4th win assumed because Labradoodles wasn't allowed to play HOME but HOME went win-less otherwise)
Cennet 4-1-0
Team Allah 3-1-1

After the match a member of Labradoodles was told in chat not to log off by Tazz. The player was not frozen. Tazz then moved our player into the screensharing room and was having him download join.me. Tazz at this point said "Ok thanks bye" and our player logged off minecraft. Here's the issue. Our player was being screenshared for an autoclicker and was told he was. Tazz also said "Ok thanks bye" to make it seem like the screensharing was over. Autoclickers can be deleted without closing minecraft so the fact that he closed minecraft is inconsequential to our DQ.

However Tazz justified it anyways claiming that the autoclicker detector had registered him at 31 cps (surprisingly not regularly considering it was an "autoclicker"). Tazz then demanded that our player prove that he could click at 31 cps. When our player only managed 15 cps Tazz took this as him autoclicking. However, as confirmed by ALM former developer the clicks a player has can be packeted due to lag and therefore register as much higher than they actually are and without other proof or a ridiculously high cps on a lagless suspect it does not qualify as evidence. 

When this was brought to their attention, conveniently the officials many of whom are on Team Allah (including Tazz) decided that it was illegal for us to have players who were sharing accounts. We however had asked the refs and officials earlier if we were allowed to do this and were given this response. https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/5tBab5ZhA.png The Officials are just allowing Team Allah through due to bias. If you want to win the tourney try winning group stages Allah.

Note: Some officials, refs and other various staff members have been useful and fair in this process I appreciate these ones and would like to commend them on their efforts to maintain a sense of fairness in these tournaments.
https://gyazo.com/dcc2a4bc97513e2488bee6a0da6ee6b4

DaFrozenBlaze December 7, 2016 at 1:12 PM UTC

Where did you get that screenshot of the message

DonaldMyTrump December 7, 2016 at 1:12 PM UTC

Where did you get that screenshot of the message
A member of my team sent it to me, PieZ does not deny that he said it, but he claims that the ref who asked the question messed up the question so that it said something else. However both PieZ and the ref confirm that it was their mistake not ours that led to this confusion.

DaFrozenBlaze December 7, 2016 at 1:12 PM UTC

A member of my team sent it to me, PieZ does not deny that he said it, but he claims that the ref who asked the question messed up the question so that it said something else. However both PieZ and the ref confirm that it was their mistake not ours that led to this confusion.
That message is in referee chat, so none of your team members are supposed to see that

SnowSX3 December 7, 2016 at 1:12 PM UTC

Wouldn't it be more beneficial to bring this to the Officials/Senior Staff directly?
Not sure what a bunch of regulars can do in this situation.

pope_panda December 7, 2016 at 2:12 PM UTC

"i dont care about this server"

Tazz December 7, 2016 at 2:12 PM UTC

Tazz at this point said "Ok thanks bye" and our player logged off minecraft. 

Incorrect. You have your order of events wrong lol, this is the main reason he is banned and you are dqed. It came to my attention that he had logged off, and he had - 2 minutes ago. At this time, I was telling Pie to ban him, because he had logged off which comes under refusing to screenshare, and also failure to follow an officials instruction. Your argument that autoclickers can be deleted is true, yes, however it does have something to do with his ban. Not sure if you know zac, but autoclickers are actually in clients as well, which he could have been using. Please stop changing the situation and story, you weren't there :)

DonaldMyTrump December 7, 2016 at 2:12 PM UTC

Wouldn't it be more beneficial to bring this to the Officials/Senior Staff directly?
Not sure what a bunch of regulars can do in this situation.
They've been ignoring it for a while now. I told them about it when it happened. I am making it public to pressure them into acting.

DonaldMyTrump December 7, 2016 at 2:12 PM UTC

Tazz at this point said "Ok thanks bye" and our player logged off minecraft. 

Incorrect. You have your order of events wrong lol, this is the main reason he is banned and you are dqed. It came to my attention that he had logged off, and he had - 2 minutes ago. At this time, I was telling Pie to ban him, because he had logged off which comes under refusing to screenshare, and also failure to follow an officials instruction. Your argument that autoclickers can be deleted is true, yes, however it does have something to do with his ban. Not sure if you know zac, but autoclickers are actually in clients as well, which he could have been using. Please stop changing the situation and story, you weren't there :)
You're right, I wasn't there. But luckily you were, someone who has nothing to gain from us being DQ'd and is completely trustworthy right? Lol the fact that someone who gets into invitationals if we get DQ'd did the ss in the first place should be enough to reverse this decision. The only reason we're DQ'd is because you can't win a tourney without cheating.

Bloodoh December 7, 2016 at 2:12 PM UTC

Its impossible to fight the bias XD

Tazz December 7, 2016 at 2:12 PM UTC

You're right, I wasn't there. But luckily you were, someone who has nothing to gain from us being DQ'd and is completely trustworthy right? Lol the fact that someone who gets into invitationals if we get DQ'd did the ss in the first place should be enough to reverse this decision. The only reason we're DQ'd is because you can't win a tourney without cheating.
No, you're DQed for 3 reasons actually. 1 is a mistake on our behalf, correct, but the rule set still has your answer. Piez's answer could have been taken 2 ways, and you took it as if you could.

You weren't there. There are 2 people who were there, piez honestly has nothing do to with allah. He's friends with us yes, but I'm also friends with Jig, and Budah.

DaGoldBrick December 7, 2016 at 3:12 PM UTC

regardless of this if cyclops let me sub me against cennet the combination of me, deltadragon222 and cyclones would've smashed them so yea GG

Legoche December 7, 2016 at 3:12 PM UTC

The fact is, officials shouldn't be allowed to play, and refs for that matter, however, can bias ever be prevented in a community where everybody knows each other well?

Tazz December 7, 2016 at 3:12 PM UTC

The fact is, officials shouldn't be allowed to play, and refs for that matter, however, can bias ever be prevented in a community where everybody knows each other well?
am i wrong or was ginie head of tournaments on bl but still played?

Legoche December 7, 2016 at 3:12 PM UTC

am i wrong or was ginie head of tournaments on bl but still played?
Ginie was in charge of the build UHC tournament which he didn't play

Varicks was in charge of the CTF tourney

dev_revs December 7, 2016 at 4:12 PM UTC

The fact is, officials shouldn't be allowed to play, and refs for that matter, however, can bias ever be prevented in a community where everybody knows each other well?
okay then if the people who manage the tournaments cant play, the people who make the maps cant play.

dev_revs December 7, 2016 at 4:12 PM UTC

Its common sense. Why should players who aren't on the roster be allowed to play? If these tournaments were at some public place, you wouldn't be able to switch accounts or any of that crap. You would play with whoever you had available and is on the roster. It's like two teams switching accounts so they can win one match which benefits.

Legoche December 7, 2016 at 5:12 PM UTC

okay then if the people who manage the tournaments cant play, the people who make the maps cant play.
that makes zero sense, why would you allow an official who DECIDES THE OUTCOME of some matches to play?

_DISTRACTION_ December 7, 2016 at 5:12 PM UTC

Its common sense. Why should players who aren't on the roster be allowed to play? If these tournaments were at some public place, you wouldn't be able to switch accounts or any of that crap. You would play with whoever you had available and is on the roster. It's like two teams switching accounts so they can win one match which benefits.
That is undeniable. However, the event staff gave the Labradoodles an answer that strongly implied that such actions are allowed, so the team cannot be fully held responsible.

AtditC December 7, 2016 at 5:12 PM UTC

The fact is, officials shouldn't be allowed to play, and refs for that matter, however, can bias ever be prevented in a community where everybody knows each other well?
+1

BmB December 7, 2016 at 6:12 PM UTC

A damnnn shame, a real damn shame.

BmB December 7, 2016 at 6:12 PM UTC

Now listen pussies, don't complain about being hard done by the tournament.
Tourney 1, DQ'ed because of 1 player using togglesneak that had poor and unspecified rules.
Tourney 2 broken map with no FUCKING BOUNDARIES NICE ONE AVICUS that loses a game and is not punished in a final

lgmatias December 7, 2016 at 6:12 PM UTC

You're right, I wasn't there. But luckily you were, someone who has nothing to gain from us being DQ'd and is completely trustworthy right? Lol the fact that someone who gets into invitationals if we get DQ'd did the ss in the first place should be enough to reverse this decision. The only reason we're DQ'd is because you can't win a tourney without cheating.
who on my team cheats just curiou

Tazz December 7, 2016 at 6:12 PM UTC

Now listen pussies, don't complain about being hard done by the tournament.
Tourney 1, DQ'ed because of 1 player using togglesneak that had poor and unspecified rules.
Tourney 2 broken map with no FUCKING BOUNDARIES NICE ONE AVICUS that loses a game and is not punished in a final
its sad really :c

Axhal December 7, 2016 at 7:12 PM UTC

so can i get unbanned lolololol

DonaldMyTrump December 7, 2016 at 7:12 PM UTC

regardless of this if cyclops let me sub me against cennet the combination of me, deltadragon222 and cyclones would've smashed them so yea GG
If you beat cennet we'd still be in?

DonaldMyTrump December 7, 2016 at 7:12 PM UTC

who on my team cheats just curiou
Tazz cheats... thats the point of the thread

DonaldMyTrump December 7, 2016 at 7:12 PM UTC

Now listen pussies, don't complain about being hard done by the tournament.
Tourney 1, DQ'ed because of 1 player using togglesneak that had poor and unspecified rules.
Tourney 2 broken map with no FUCKING BOUNDARIES NICE ONE AVICUS that loses a game and is not punished in a final
At least you actually had someone using togglesneak. We got DQ'd for eliminating allah

DonaldMyTrump December 7, 2016 at 7:12 PM UTC

Its common sense. Why should players who aren't on the roster be allowed to play? If these tournaments were at some public place, you wouldn't be able to switch accounts or any of that crap. You would play with whoever you had available and is on the roster. It's like two teams switching accounts so they can win one match which benefits.
Even Tazz admits the account thing was a mistake of theirs, so idk why you're arguing that point. Anyways, its common sense that the account must be pre-registered not the actual person. It is a reasonable rule but when we're told its allowed by tourney staff it is also reasonable that we wouldn't follow it.

DonaldMyTrump December 7, 2016 at 7:12 PM UTC

No, you're DQed for 3 reasons actually. 1 is a mistake on our behalf, correct, but the rule set still has your answer. Piez's answer could have been taken 2 ways, and you took it as if you could.

You weren't there. There are 2 people who were there, piez honestly has nothing do to with allah. He's friends with us yes, but I'm also friends with Jig, and Budah.
Lol PieZ disagrees with you doing it too. The second he banned Axhal he poked me saying "I only did the ban"

The second way being I have an account registered but I want to play on my friend's account? I think that excuse is a bit ridiculous there is one way to understand it given our question.

PieZ is on the team lol. Not like Jig or Budah.

DaGoldBrick December 7, 2016 at 7:12 PM UTC

If you beat cennet we'd still be in?
The title of the post is why Team Allah is in the invitationals, not why labradoodles isn't in.

If we beat cennet (which we would have, we didn't have 3 of our best players there and our leader wasn't there either) we would still be in.

Also apparently sosastyle or w/e his name is, is a known cheater on OCN

Tazz December 7, 2016 at 7:12 PM UTC

Lol PieZ disagrees with you doing it too. The second he banned Axhal he poked me saying "I only did the ban"

The second way being I have an account registered but I want to play on my friend's account? I think that excuse is a bit ridiculous there is one way to understand it given our question.

PieZ is on the team lol. Not like Jig or Budah.
But nothing affects him lol. He's not on the roster, why wouid be care.

Pelpelajax December 7, 2016 at 7:12 PM UTC

The fact is, officials shouldn't be allowed to play, and refs for that matter, however, can bias ever be prevented in a community where everybody knows each other well?
Always supported this, but the fact is that barely anyone apart from a few people will be committed to solely officiating or reffing a tournament. No one cares enough anymore.

dev_revs December 7, 2016 at 7:12 PM UTC

that makes zero sense, why would you allow an official who DECIDES THE OUTCOME of some matches to play?
Why allow the people who make the maps ahead of time play? They basically know everything about them before everyone else.

Tazz December 7, 2016 at 7:12 PM UTC

Always supported this, but the fact is that barely anyone apart from a few people will be committed to solely officiating or reffing a tournament. No one cares enough anymore.
You're the one who gave me and sli official :o)

Pelpelajax December 7, 2016 at 7:12 PM UTC

You're the one who gave me and sli official :o)
Sli was promoted to be in charge of maps, and you seemed dedicated. But then all you cared about was playing, even when we had no one on to run match day.

Edit: Not saying you were a bad choice, iirc you did help a lot internally.

Tazz December 7, 2016 at 8:12 PM UTC

Sli was promoted to be in charge of maps, and you seemed dedicated. But then all you cared about was playing, even when we had no one on to run match day.

Edit: Not saying you were a bad choice, iirc you did help a lot internally.
literally said when i got promoted i would play and you were fine with it

Pelpelajax December 7, 2016 at 8:12 PM UTC

literally said when i got promoted i would play and you were fine with it
Yes, but you would not be involved in any decision making. Now you are, and you are playing too.

Tazz December 7, 2016 at 8:12 PM UTC

Yes, but you would not be involved in any decision making. Now you are, and you are playing too.
we have like 4 officials i have to make decisions

Pelpelajax December 7, 2016 at 8:12 PM UTC

we have like 4 officials i have to make decisions
Then there is something wrong with the way you run the Official team. Any event staff playing should not be involved in any decision making. I understand that you have little other choices, but this really shouldn't be the way you run tournaments.

ImRaging December 7, 2016 at 8:12 PM UTC

Why allow the people who make the maps ahead of time play? They basically know everything about them before everyone else.
Because map knowledge is something everyone can have, officials deciding whether a team gets dq'd is not

DonaldMyTrump December 7, 2016 at 8:12 PM UTC

The title of the post is why Team Allah is in the invitationals, not why labradoodles isn't in.

If we beat cennet (which we would have, we didn't have 3 of our best players there and our leader wasn't there either) we would still be in.

Also apparently sosastyle or w/e his name is, is a known cheater on OCN
No lol the only people who thinks he hacks are yirang. Ever wonder why he's not banned on ocn? Or do you just think avicus staff are so damn good at detecting hacks they caught him in a few hours?

rememes December 7, 2016 at 8:12 PM UTC

listen mate this is what u gotta do
lose ur team 2 tourneys
become official
lick some other team
join them
lick a bit more
win





well take a look at that, seriously infinite tourney wins and i don't know what to say!

JustBudah December 7, 2016 at 9:12 PM UTC

Awh zaceroni :(

DonaldMyTrump December 7, 2016 at 9:12 PM UTC

Why allow the people who make the maps ahead of time play? They basically know everything about them before everyone else.
Map making and knowing how to play it are very different things. A map maker usually will only have a basic idea of how the map will be played and one that everyone else can match by simply viewing the map.

Legoche December 7, 2016 at 9:12 PM UTC

No lol the only people who thinks he hacks are yirang. Ever wonder why he's not banned on ocn? Or do you just think avicus staff are so damn good at detecting hacks they caught him in a few hours?
I think he hacks

im not in yirang

medal please

DonaldMyTrump December 7, 2016 at 9:12 PM UTC

Awh zaceroni :(
Ik, is sad ;-; plz donate to find cure

Legoche December 7, 2016 at 9:12 PM UTC

listen mate this is what u gotta do
lose ur team 2 tourneys
become official
lick some other team
join them
lick a bit more
win





well take a look at that, seriously infinite tourney wins and i don't know what to say!
This simple life hack trick will win you every tournament!

DonaldMyTrump December 7, 2016 at 9:12 PM UTC

I think he hacks

im not in yirang

medal please
got me. il just comit nao

Aphelion December 7, 2016 at 9:12 PM UTC

It's just pixels. Fuck me. *sigh*

DonaldMyTrump December 7, 2016 at 9:12 PM UTC

listen mate this is what u gotta do
lose ur team 2 tourneys
become official
lick some other team
join them
lick a bit more
win





well take a look at that, seriously infinite tourney wins and i don't know what to say!
do u cal it tazz method if so you're missing the use rank to try and won tourney stage

_DISTRACTION_ December 7, 2016 at 9:12 PM UTC

The title of the post is why Team Allah is in the invitationals, not why labradoodles isn't in.

If we beat cennet (which we would have, we didn't have 3 of our best players there and our leader wasn't there either) we would still be in.

Also apparently sosastyle or w/e his name is, is a known cheater on OCN
"Also apparently sosastyle or w/e his name is, is a known cheater on OCN"

Hm, where'd you get that from?

DonaldMyTrump December 7, 2016 at 9:12 PM UTC

It's just pixels. Fuck me. *sigh*
post this on any other thread. just as relevant

GrapeSmoothie December 7, 2016 at 10:12 PM UTC

Then there is something wrong with the way you run the Official team. Any event staff playing should not be involved in any decision making. I understand that you have little other choices, but this really shouldn't be the way you run tournaments.
hi pel <3

_Nathy December 7, 2016 at 10:12 PM UTC

Ok Ok, this doesn't need to get complicated....

1. Officials got an indication that someone was cheating. That CPS detector isn't accurate, but at the same time, it does give an indication of who could be sketchy.
2. Tazz isn't 100% sure that the guy is hacking, so he decides to play it safe and screenshare him.
3. Guy logs off, clearly breaking screenshare rules
4. Guy gets banned

I have no clue where the "Tazz biased the desicion to get into invitationals" attitude came from. Your player clearly disobeyed an official, regardless of what team he is on. I'm not on Allah, I don't give a fuck if they make it or not, but your player clearly broke the rules.

"If they aren't banned on OCN, they don't cheat" attitude - Nice meme

I don't even know why there is a debate over this, this isn't a conflict of interest, this is a clear rule infringement.....

SnowSX3 December 7, 2016 at 10:12 PM UTC

Wait.. Officials and Refs are allowed to play in the tournament?

That doesn't make any sense, they run the tournament, that'll lead to bias if they play.

I thought we talked about this problem after the 1st tournament, isn't this tournament number 4?

DaGoldBrick December 7, 2016 at 10:12 PM UTC

No lol the only people who thinks he hacks are yirang. Ever wonder why he's not banned on ocn? Or do you just think avicus staff are so damn good at detecting hacks they caught him in a few hours?
OCN isn't exactly known for catching closet cheaters lol

Not hard to get away with cheating at all on OCN - darkinferno link

dev_revs December 7, 2016 at 11:12 PM UTC

No lol the only people who thinks he hacks are yirang. Ever wonder why he's not banned on ocn? Or do you just think avicus staff are so damn good at detecting hacks they caught him in a few hours?
because ocn doesn't give a damn if people hack

dev_revs December 7, 2016 at 11:12 PM UTC

Wait.. Officials and Refs are allowed to play in the tournament?

That doesn't make any sense, they run the tournament, that'll lead to bias if they play.

I thought we talked about this problem after the 1st tournament, isn't this tournament number 4?
Just talked about this in slack. They ones playing wouldn't have to make the decisions if all 8 officials were active. Only two were online at this time.. that is the main problem which was discussed.

MrDogPT December 7, 2016 at 11:12 PM UTC

Peace no beef

DonaldMyTrump December 8, 2016 at 12:12 AM UTC

Ok Ok, this doesn't need to get complicated....

1. Officials got an indication that someone was cheating. That CPS detector isn't accurate, but at the same time, it does give an indication of who could be sketchy.
2. Tazz isn't 100% sure that the guy is hacking, so he decides to play it safe and screenshare him.
3. Guy logs off, clearly breaking screenshare rules
4. Guy gets banned

I have no clue where the "Tazz biased the desicion to get into invitationals" attitude came from. Your player clearly disobeyed an official, regardless of what team he is on. I'm not on Allah, I don't give a fuck if they make it or not, but your player clearly broke the rules.

"If they aren't banned on OCN, they don't cheat" attitude - Nice meme

I don't even know why there is a debate over this, this isn't a conflict of interest, this is a clear rule infringement.....
Ok Ok, this doesn't need to get complicated....

I assume by this you mean we don't have to acknowledge any of the details but if you read the post there is an explanation as to where the Tazz bias comes from and how our player didn't disobey officials but was mislead by Tazz.

"If they aren't banned on OCN, they don't cheat" attitude - Nice meme

Context is important, I sent this to DGB because he said he was a well known hacker on ocn but is only banned here. DGB has a history of false bans here making his faith in avicus staff all of a sudden very shocking.

I don't even know why there is a debate over this, this isn't a conflict of interest, this is a clear rule infringement.....

Yes, well you clearly haven't read the full post or you would know why there is a debate over it

DonaldMyTrump December 8, 2016 at 12:12 AM UTC

OCN isn't exactly known for catching closet cheaters lol

Not hard to get away with cheating at all on OCN - darkinferno link
avicus staff are really accurate with their infractions from what you've seen though?

DonaldMyTrump December 8, 2016 at 1:12 AM UTC

because ocn doesn't give a damn if people hack
lol ok

Xuph December 8, 2016 at 5:12 AM UTC

okay then if the people who manage the tournaments cant play, the people who make the maps cant play.
what the fuck lol? how does that even make any sense
could come up with the same argument saying youre media and you shouldnt be allowed toi play
makes no sense as well

we dont try to hide some secret shit in our maps like you probably think, if you study and practice the map well enough before the tourney trust me youd know exactly what i know and maybe even more than the creator of the map

DonaldMyTrump December 8, 2016 at 6:12 AM UTC

Let's drop the map making part of this before mods use it as an excuse to archive this.

Pelpelajax December 8, 2016 at 6:12 AM UTC

Just talked about this in slack. They ones playing wouldn't have to make the decisions if all 8 officials were active. Only two were online at this time.. that is the main problem which was discussed.
Then you postpone the decision, and wait for more to get online. It's really simple.

Tazz December 8, 2016 at 7:12 AM UTC

Ok Ok, this doesn't need to get complicated....

1. Officials got an indication that someone was cheating. That CPS detector isn't accurate, but at the same time, it does give an indication of who could be sketchy.
2. Tazz isn't 100% sure that the guy is hacking, so he decides to play it safe and screenshare him.
3. Guy logs off, clearly breaking screenshare rules
4. Guy gets banned

I have no clue where the "Tazz biased the desicion to get into invitationals" attitude came from. Your player clearly disobeyed an official, regardless of what team he is on. I'm not on Allah, I don't give a fuck if they make it or not, but your player clearly broke the rules.

"If they aren't banned on OCN, they don't cheat" attitude - Nice meme

I don't even know why there is a debate over this, this isn't a conflict of interest, this is a clear rule infringement.....
For someone to set it off 5 times in 5 minutes who is not lagging when being spectated, it is accurate.

DaGoldBrick December 8, 2016 at 8:12 AM UTC

avicus staff are really accurate with their infractions from what you've seen though?
tru but the guy refused to screenshare

whilst tazz is slightly retarded it seems like BS that sosastyle was told ok bye considering he was in ts for 10 mins

Goodnighht December 8, 2016 at 1:12 PM UTC

I'm not totally sure where you got bias from... He was asked to ss and left. The only thing that I kind of understand is when Tazz says "bye" you can probably take that as "Okay, you're clean.", but in all honesty, if you know that if you leave in the middle of the ss, before they have even looked at anything... I would have at least asked. At least say something like "We're done?" then wait for a response. The fact that he just left almost is enough to say that he wanted to leave because he had a client somewhere, or that he was nervous. It's not normal for someone to ask to ss you then just say "Okay, you're good, thanks." That doesn't make much sense at all...

Tazz December 8, 2016 at 3:12 PM UTC

I'll explain the 'OK thanks bye' shit when I get home lol.

Stimulating December 8, 2016 at 3:12 PM UTC

Not replying to anyone in specific, this is going to be general.

The standard (in terms of rules) for competitive PvP servers is if you log out of Minecraft when asked to ss, you get banned. The fact is that though (if I got the person right, this is off the small amount of posts I've read) I doubt Sosa cheats, clients with built-in autoclickers are a reality as well. Closing MC = instant ban on ANY server that supports screensharing, everyone knows that. You can't blame anyone else but the player who didn't think before acting. I won't speculate about whether the given player was in fact cheating or not, but still breaking the rules should deserve punishment. The match the player left in should've been replayed saying that. There is no solid evidence of that player cheating at all. ALM saying the autoclicker detector was wrong sometimes renders the little evidence that was there useless. Moving on, last tournament account sharing was also illegal and led to UbeR being DQ'd. I don't know about the grey area here because I don't think Axhal would have even played on that account during the tournament, but I could be wrong. I mean, if no one outside the registered players were playing in that match given the circumstances I explained, just either replay the match or let it go. 

When I have nothing better to do in class ^^^

Tazz December 8, 2016 at 3:12 PM UTC

I'll explain the 'OK thanks bye' shit when I get home lol.
Lol. The 'ok thanks bye' is literally irrelevant. We were in the room for probably 9 minutes. Around the 5th, someone poked me saying that Axhal had logged off. At this stage I checked, and I msged PieZ telling him to ban him. I asked Axhal why he logged off. He said he had to so he could download join.me - which is complete bullshit by the way lmao. I said he'd be getting banned, piez banned him, I said 'ok thanks bye'. He still wasn't on join.me, about 9 minutes after I sent him the link, which is fishy in itself lmao.

dev_revs December 8, 2016 at 4:12 PM UTC

what the fuck lol? how does that even make any sense
could come up with the same argument saying youre media and you shouldnt be allowed toi play
makes no sense as well

we dont try to hide some secret shit in our maps like you probably think, if you study and practice the map well enough before the tourney trust me youd know exactly what i know and maybe even more than the creator of the map
well no, you see that's when the ignorance comes in play.
Officials make game decisions so people think they shouldn't be able to play
Map makers make the maps so they know flaws and cons about the maps, higher advantage some people think
Medias stream the matches so we cant play??? wow much logic. 

I'm not against map makers playing, nor am I against officials. But an argument can be made about map makers too.

felipu_feliu December 8, 2016 at 4:12 PM UTC

welcome to avicus my boi, the officials didn't accept my team neither on the tourney cuz we are beaners

make this server fair again

Tazz December 8, 2016 at 4:12 PM UTC

welcome to avicus my boi, the officials didn't accept my team neither on the tourney cuz we are beaners

make this server fair again
l o l

Xuph December 8, 2016 at 4:12 PM UTC

well no, you see that's when the ignorance comes in play.
Officials make game decisions so people think they shouldn't be able to play
Map makers make the maps so they know flaws and cons about the maps, higher advantage some people think
Medias stream the matches so we cant play??? wow much logic. 

I'm not against map makers playing, nor am I against officials. But an argument can be made about map makers too.
Can be made but it would make no sense since officials take decisions about what they think and you can analyse the map and get strats exactly like i can, you get the map on scrim servers before the tourney so you could analyze it and do whatever and break every single block if you think were hiding some shit lolo

Legoche December 8, 2016 at 4:12 PM UTC

Can be made but it would make no sense since officials take decisions about what they think and you can analyse the map and get strats exactly like i can, you get the map on scrim servers before the tourney so you could analyze it and do whatever and break every single block if you think were hiding some shit lolo
who cares????
SEUTHS UNBANNED

Xuph December 8, 2016 at 5:12 PM UTC

who cares????
SEUTHS UNBANNED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0pWiV9fI2w

Juanooo December 8, 2016 at 6:12 PM UTC

And then they say they don't give af about the server..

DonaldMyTrump December 8, 2016 at 6:12 PM UTC

tru but the guy refused to screenshare

whilst tazz is slightly retarded it seems like BS that sosastyle was told ok bye considering he was in ts for 10 mins
Sosa is a retard too it took him 10 minutes to download join.me and the thing is Tazz still screenshared him after all this hoping to catch him autoclicking.

DonaldMyTrump December 8, 2016 at 6:12 PM UTC

I'm not totally sure where you got bias from... He was asked to ss and left. The only thing that I kind of understand is when Tazz says "bye" you can probably take that as "Okay, you're clean.", but in all honesty, if you know that if you leave in the middle of the ss, before they have even looked at anything... I would have at least asked. At least say something like "We're done?" then wait for a response. The fact that he just left almost is enough to say that he wanted to leave because he had a client somewhere, or that he was nervous. It's not normal for someone to ask to ss you then just say "Okay, you're good, thanks." That doesn't make much sense at all...
He did say "Um ok? bye" to no response.

DonaldMyTrump December 8, 2016 at 6:12 PM UTC

Lol. The 'ok thanks bye' is literally irrelevant. We were in the room for probably 9 minutes. Around the 5th, someone poked me saying that Axhal had logged off. At this stage I checked, and I msged PieZ telling him to ban him. I asked Axhal why he logged off. He said he had to so he could download join.me - which is complete bullshit by the way lmao. I said he'd be getting banned, piez banned him, I said 'ok thanks bye'. He still wasn't on join.me, about 9 minutes after I sent him the link, which is fishy in itself lmao.
lol sosa is fishy for not being on join.me in 10 minutes, clearly justified ban and DQ

DonaldMyTrump December 8, 2016 at 6:12 PM UTC

Not replying to anyone in specific, this is going to be general.

The standard (in terms of rules) for competitive PvP servers is if you log out of Minecraft when asked to ss, you get banned. The fact is that though (if I got the person right, this is off the small amount of posts I've read) I doubt Sosa cheats, clients with built-in autoclickers are a reality as well. Closing MC = instant ban on ANY server that supports screensharing, everyone knows that. You can't blame anyone else but the player who didn't think before acting. I won't speculate about whether the given player was in fact cheating or not, but still breaking the rules should deserve punishment. The match the player left in should've been replayed saying that. There is no solid evidence of that player cheating at all. ALM saying the autoclicker detector was wrong sometimes renders the little evidence that was there useless. Moving on, last tournament account sharing was also illegal and led to UbeR being DQ'd. I don't know about the grey area here because I don't think Axhal would have even played on that account during the tournament, but I could be wrong. I mean, if no one outside the registered players were playing in that match given the circumstances I explained, just either replay the match or let it go. 

When I have nothing better to do in class ^^^
Yes, the issue I have is not with Sosa being banned for leaving. The problem I have is that the screenshare was botched purposely by an official who directly stands to benefit from us being DQed. As far as the account sharing goes, we were told by event staff we were allowed to do it and therefore that is not our fault.

DonaldMyTrump December 8, 2016 at 6:12 PM UTC

welcome to avicus my boi, the officials didn't accept my team neither on the tourney cuz we are beaners

make this server fair again
Racists and cheaters... ;-;

Stimulating December 8, 2016 at 6:12 PM UTC

Yes, the issue I have is not with Sosa being banned for leaving. The problem I have is that the screenshare was botched purposely by an official who directly stands to benefit from us being DQed. As far as the account sharing goes, we were told by event staff we were allowed to do it and therefore that is not our fault.
If you have evidence of that then send it, because last event I know it wasn't.

AstroPizza December 8, 2016 at 7:12 PM UTC

I can agree i don't like the idea of an official who was playing conducting the screen share.

Even if you want to trust and believe and officials are not bias it's still abit controversial and general and should be a no-go.

Officials decision at the end of the day but they should 100% learn from this even if they themselves think they can justify it. If there's too much outcry - like this. Then there's certainly something to be improved on , i think  we can all agree.

Tazz December 8, 2016 at 7:12 PM UTC

He did say "Um ok? bye" to no response.
Lol. The 'ok thanks bye' is literally irrelevant. We were in the room for probably 9 minutes. Around the 5th, someone poked me saying that Axhal had logged off. At this stage I checked, and I msged PieZ telling him to ban him. I asked Axhal why he logged off. He said he had to so he could download join.me - which is complete bullshit by the way lmao. I said he'd be getting banned, piez banned him, I said 'ok thanks bye'. He still wasn't on join.me, about 9 minutes after I sent him the link, which is fishy in itself lmao.

Tazz December 8, 2016 at 7:12 PM UTC

lol sosa is fishy for not being on join.me in 10 minutes, clearly justified ban and DQ
not what i said is it bud

DonaldMyTrump December 8, 2016 at 7:12 PM UTC

If you have evidence of that then send it, because last event I know it wasn't.
https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/5tBab5ZhA.png

Tazz December 8, 2016 at 7:12 PM UTC

Yes, the issue I have is not with Sosa being banned for leaving. The problem I have is that the screenshare was botched purposely by an official who directly stands to benefit from us being DQed. As far as the account sharing goes, we were told by event staff we were allowed to do it and therefore that is not our fault.
botched purposely by a mod 

?????????????????????

Tazz December 8, 2016 at 7:12 PM UTC

If you have evidence of that then send it, because last event I know it wasn't.
Yes, there is evidence of that KIND of being said. It isn't allowed. Piez worded the question incorrectly, which can be taken two ways, as in if both accounts are registered (which piez meant) or the account that will be played on is registered.

faht December 8, 2016 at 7:12 PM UTC

lol tazz just quit

rememes December 8, 2016 at 8:12 PM UTC

Yes, there is evidence of that KIND of being said. It isn't allowed. Piez worded the question incorrectly, which can be taken two ways, as in if both accounts are registered (which piez meant) or the account that will be played on is registered.
Tazz your pov was first person against a team that beat you (i think im correct i dont watch tms anymore neither do i play)
the fact that you were then allowed to judge the player after LOSING isnt correct, your mindset even if you dont admit it, will be bias towards thinking that he hacked because he just beat you.
Instead of tazz doing it there should be other officials ready to look at him without tazz's input, as he would add bias to it. Even if he means it or not.

Tazz December 8, 2016 at 8:12 PM UTC

Tazz your pov was first person against a team that beat you (i think im correct i dont watch tms anymore neither do i play)
the fact that you were then allowed to judge the player after LOSING isnt correct, your mindset even if you dont admit it, will be bias towards thinking that he hacked because he just beat you.
Instead of tazz doing it there should be other officials ready to look at him without tazz's input, as he would add bias to it. Even if he means it or not.
remy wtf u talking about lol

we drew to them second game

after 4th game i ssed him cos he set off like 5 alerts in the 5 minutes i was on?

LOSING lol

pov was first person lol

Tazz December 8, 2016 at 8:12 PM UTC

lol tazz just quit
love u jive

Goodnighht December 8, 2016 at 8:12 PM UTC

Tazz your pov was first person against a team that beat you (i think im correct i dont watch tms anymore neither do i play)
the fact that you were then allowed to judge the player after LOSING isnt correct, your mindset even if you dont admit it, will be bias towards thinking that he hacked because he just beat you.
Instead of tazz doing it there should be other officials ready to look at him without tazz's input, as he would add bias to it. Even if he means it or not.
This is true but if someone leaves a ss it's an automatic ban and their team gets DQ'd. That's what happened. There's no bias. I don't understand what everyone is talking about...

faht December 8, 2016 at 8:12 PM UTC

love u jive
it's all ur fault ://

Tazz December 8, 2016 at 8:12 PM UTC

it's all ur fault ://
ikr im so bias for banning someone who dced before a ss:c

Legoche December 8, 2016 at 8:12 PM UTC

ikr im so bias for banning someone who dced before a ss:c

Juanooo December 8, 2016 at 8:12 PM UTC

ikr im so bias for banning someone who dced before a ss:c
We could quickly resolve this by replacing whatever team got DQ'd by TCB gg

DonaldMyTrump December 8, 2016 at 8:12 PM UTC

This is true but if someone leaves a ss it's an automatic ban and their team gets DQ'd. That's what happened. There's no bias. I don't understand what everyone is talking about...
He botched the SS though... You just appear to be content at ignoring this for whatever reason though and over simplifying it to: player leaves ss so ban

DonaldMyTrump December 8, 2016 at 8:12 PM UTC

We could quickly resolve this by replacing whatever team got DQ'd by TCB gg
I agree, TCB subs in for us and I'm down for a DQ felipu babe

DonaldMyTrump December 8, 2016 at 9:12 PM UTC

ikr im so bias for banning someone who dced before a ss:c
No, you're biased for:
-taking the SS in the first place
-botching it and banning anyways
-trying to come up with an alternate reason to DQ us
-being official and playing in a tourney that you continue to work on
-Screensharing Sosa after he disconnected from minecraft and then declaring that since he can't click 31 cps he was using an autoclicker
:)

Tazz December 8, 2016 at 9:12 PM UTC

No, you're biased for:
-taking the SS in the first place
-botching it and banning anyways
-trying to come up with an alternate reason to DQ us
-being official and playing in a tourney that you continue to work on
-Screensharing Sosa after he disconnected from minecraft and then declaring that since he can't click 31 cps he was using an autoclicker
:)
-taking the SS in the first place
was asked to by my fellow official

-botching it and banning anyways
you've still failed to tell me how I 'botched' the screenshare

-trying to come up with an alternate reason to DQ us
all are valid reasons actually

-being official and playing in a tourney that you continue to work on
that itself doesn't make me bias

-Screensharing Sosa after he disconnected from minecraft and then declaring that since he can't click 31 cps he was using an autoclicker
actually the screenshare was quite irrelevant, just wanted to see if he could actually click anywhere around 18+. nowhere was I testing for 31.

ill add a smiley face here too 
:)

voidloop December 8, 2016 at 9:12 PM UTC

tazz can't ss

Tazz December 8, 2016 at 9:12 PM UTC

tazz can't ss
u were the one 2 weeks ago saying only me and nathy can ss

explain please

DonaldMyTrump December 8, 2016 at 9:12 PM UTC

-taking the SS in the first place
was asked to by my fellow official

-botching it and banning anyways
you've still failed to tell me how I 'botched' the screenshare

-trying to come up with an alternate reason to DQ us
all are valid reasons actually

-being official and playing in a tourney that you continue to work on
that itself doesn't make me bias

-Screensharing Sosa after he disconnected from minecraft and then declaring that since he can't click 31 cps he was using an autoclicker
actually the screenshare was quite irrelevant, just wanted to see if he could actually click anywhere around 18+. nowhere was I testing for 31.

ill add a smiley face here too 
:)
was asked to by my fellow official
cool so you and that official both messed up

you've still failed to tell me how I 'botched' the screenshare
Saying "Ok thanks bye", not having him frozen, not giving specific instructions

all are valid reasons actually
lol nope

that itself doesn't make me bias
it does

actually the screenshare was quite irrelevant, just wanted to see if he could actually click anywhere around 18+. nowhere was I testing for 31.
just SSed for shits and giggles right?

:))

voidloop December 8, 2016 at 9:12 PM UTC

u were the one 2 weeks ago saying only me and nathy can ss

explain please
I bet you can't find vape 2.3


lol

Tazz December 8, 2016 at 9:12 PM UTC

was asked to by my fellow official
cool so you and that official both messed up

you've still failed to tell me how I 'botched' the screenshare
Saying "Ok thanks bye", not having him frozen, not giving specific instructions

all are valid reasons actually
lol nope

that itself doesn't make me bias
it does

actually the screenshare was quite irrelevant, just wanted to see if he could actually click anywhere around 18+. nowhere was I testing for 31.
just SSed for shits and giggles right?

:))
Saying "Ok thanks bye", not having him frozen, not giving specific instructions
i've literally replied to you thrice about why i said that are you just taking the piss or ignoring me lol

DonaldMyTrump December 8, 2016 at 9:12 PM UTC

Saying "Ok thanks bye", not having him frozen, not giving specific instructions
i've literally replied to you thrice about why i said that are you just taking the piss or ignoring me lol
I'm not ignoring it, its just not true

FutbolHunter December 8, 2016 at 9:12 PM UTC

Biased Official DQ's labradoodles L-O-L fukin D-E-D

Tazz December 8, 2016 at 9:12 PM UTC

I'm not ignoring it, its just not true
ok tell me YOUR side of events cos i forgot you were there my bad

Goodnighht December 8, 2016 at 9:12 PM UTC

Oh dear Lord... This thread is a bomb waiting to explode if it hasn't already. 

Zac- I think just based on what you clearly didn't read, or are ignoring the point of this thread is to hate on Tazz.

Tazz- You probably shouldn't have taken the ss, but I think you realize that now.

I'm going to lock this because it's going to become a flame war, and the post is pretty much directed at a specific person to hurt/effect them in some way.

Locking...