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Replay Mod by DaFrozenBlaze February 13, 2016 at 11:02 AM UTC

Recently, some staff have been using purely replay mod for hacking evidence, specifically safe aura.
It apparently has been tested several times and the code has been checked.
Some people say it's reliable, some say it shouldn't be used at all.
So Merp and I did a small test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKcuEzYGNJk&feature=youtu.be

We realised most of the time, even though the player is not hacking, he still looks like he has safe aura. It's just the replay mod.
It should really only be used for videos and montages, not evidence for hacking. It isn't reliable.
Opinions?

shadowolfyt February 13, 2016 at 11:02 AM UTC

In my opinion the Replay Mods is not something to use to assess and ban hackers. It's very inaccurate I suggest go back to the original process and use a screen recorder and recorded it yourself don't assess your hacking reports on a inaccurate mod.

Just my opinion :)

Eteh February 13, 2016 at 11:02 AM UTC

In my opinion, the replay mod is not reliable at all. I agree with what blaze said. Moderators should be well trained enough to detect such hacks.

Tazz February 13, 2016 at 12:02 PM UTC

You could just show safe aura normally instead of flicking your mouse every second

Tazz February 13, 2016 at 12:02 PM UTC

In my opinion, the replay mod is not reliable at all. I agree with what blaze said. Moderators should be well trained enough to detect such hacks.
You can't detect smooth aim, trigger, safe aura etc from a third person point of view?

DaFrozenBlaze February 13, 2016 at 12:02 PM UTC

You could just show safe aura normally instead of flicking your mouse every second
Um sorry I don't get what you said :/

Tazz February 13, 2016 at 12:02 PM UTC

Um sorry I don't get what you said :/
The mouse is flicking everywhere you could just hit the zombie normally?

Stimulating February 13, 2016 at 12:02 PM UTC

"In both my normal pov and the replay pov make it look like I'm hacking when I'm not"
so he looked like he was hacking either way? 

smooth is pretty hard to detect 3rd person, so is safe aura if they can actually aim and toggle it well.

Mehrp February 13, 2016 at 12:02 PM UTC

You can't detect smooth aim, trigger, safe aura etc from a third person point of view?
Its hard enough as it is to detect smooth aim, trigger and safeaura from plugins, and so you'd suggest using a mod intended for cinematics to try and catch them instead? If you see both clips you can see that from my pov it is very jolted whereas on the replay mod its completely smooth, even at 0.1x speed. At 0.1x speed the replay mod gives 60fps output. Hang on a moment, at 0.1x it gives 60fps recording? So either I had 600fps on the build server or somethings wrong. It's the latter. In addition, I do not appreciate your comment above that where you seem to be hackusating. Excuse my lack of understanding with the remark you made as you may not have intended to be hackusating. If you are, however, hackusating then I'm sure you'd agree with me that that's not a good example to be setting as a moderator as you punish people for doing so. Oh and to clarify, in case you really do think I hack, I wasn't using any hack of any type in that video. The mods I had installed were forgecore, bskrpcore (for shaders), better foliage, World edit, the replay mod and forge loader, minecraft coder pack, arrow camera and tabbychat 2. If you do think  I was hacking in that video then it shows one of two things: The replay mod is inaccurate or You cannot accurately detect hacks. Either way a change needs to be implemented as I fear players will be falsely banned in the future.

Mehrp February 13, 2016 at 12:02 PM UTC

"In both my normal pov and the replay pov make it look like I'm hacking when I'm not"
so he looked like he was hacking either way? 

smooth is pretty hard to detect 3rd person, so is safe aura if they can actually aim and toggle it well.
With the replay mod it makes it look more obvious.

Tazz February 13, 2016 at 12:02 PM UTC

Its hard enough as it is to detect smooth aim, trigger and safeaura from plugins, and so you'd suggest using a mod intended for cinematics to try and catch them instead? If you see both clips you can see that from my pov it is very jolted whereas on the replay mod its completely smooth, even at 0.1x speed. At 0.1x speed the replay mod gives 60fps output. Hang on a moment, at 0.1x it gives 60fps recording? So either I had 600fps on the build server or somethings wrong. It's the latter. In addition, I do not appreciate your comment above that where you seem to be hackusating. Excuse my lack of understanding with the remark you made as you may not have intended to be hackusating. If you are, however, hackusating then I'm sure you'd agree with me that that's not a good example to be setting as a moderator as you punish people for doing so. Oh and to clarify, in case you really do think I hack, I wasn't using any hack of any type in that video. The mods I had installed were forgecore, bskrpcore (for shaders), better foliage, World edit, the replay mod and forge loader, minecraft coder pack, arrow camera and tabbychat 2. If you do think  I was hacking in that video then it shows one of two things: The replay mod is inaccurate or You cannot accurately detect hacks. Either way a change needs to be implemented as I fear players will be falsely banned in the future.
I never said you were hacking, nor have I ever supported the use of Replay Mod.

Mehrp February 13, 2016 at 12:02 PM UTC

I never said you were hacking, nor have I ever supported the use of Replay Mod.

I mis-interpreted that statement, then. I apologise.

AtditC February 13, 2016 at 12:02 PM UTC

Replay Mod? Hahahaha xD I hear of this the first time now, and Mods really use this? xDD rip avicus?

Vobaseball12 February 13, 2016 at 2:02 PM UTC

If you guys are arguing against 4lextr's ban, which I believe you are, lemme give you a couple of points.

1. He was obviously using Anti-Knockback, therefore his ban will stay.

2. Let's say he wasn't using Anti-Knockback, and just SafeAura (like last time). I understand how in your way (flicking your mouse around and clicking) the replay mod gets messed up, but in 4lextr's video he wasn't doing that. He turned around, never got on my hitbox, and still hit me. 

If you guys want to talk more about this, we can talk about it on TS.

Also, I have never gotten the arguement of "replay mod is just for cinematics, therefore it can't be used to detect ghost clienters." People complain about hackers, replay mod is a supplement (we don't just use it for everything, just ghost clienters) and we do our jobs.

Stimulating February 13, 2016 at 2:02 PM UTC

Replay Mod? Hahahaha xD I hear of this the first time now, and Mods really use this? xDD rip avicus?
From my understanding, OCN mods use this as well. Your point?

DaFrozenBlaze February 13, 2016 at 2:02 PM UTC

If you guys are arguing against 4lextr's ban, which I believe you are, lemme give you a couple of points.

1. He was obviously using Anti-Knockback, therefore his ban will stay.

2. Let's say he wasn't using Anti-Knockback, and just SafeAura (like last time). I understand how in your way (flicking your mouse around and clicking) the replay mod gets messed up, but in 4lextr's video he wasn't doing that. He turned around, never got on my hitbox, and still hit me. 

If you guys want to talk more about this, we can talk about it on TS.

Also, I have never gotten the arguement of "replay mod is just for cinematics, therefore it can't be used to detect ghost clienters." People complain about hackers, replay mod is a supplement (we don't just use it for everything, just ghost clienters) and we do our jobs.
I did not mention his ban at all, I'm not arguing against his ban. I'm arguing against the use of Replay mod as evidence. I must admit the evidence I gave is bad though.

Mykee_Gee February 13, 2016 at 2:02 PM UTC

If you guys are arguing against 4lextr's ban, which I believe you are, lemme give you a couple of points.

1. He was obviously using Anti-Knockback, therefore his ban will stay.

2. Let's say he wasn't using Anti-Knockback, and just SafeAura (like last time). I understand how in your way (flicking your mouse around and clicking) the replay mod gets messed up, but in 4lextr's video he wasn't doing that. He turned around, never got on my hitbox, and still hit me. 

If you guys want to talk more about this, we can talk about it on TS.

Also, I have never gotten the arguement of "replay mod is just for cinematics, therefore it can't be used to detect ghost clienters." People complain about hackers, replay mod is a supplement (we don't just use it for everything, just ghost clienters) and we do our jobs.
Why are you calling players out? 
I don't understand.

Mykee_Gee February 13, 2016 at 2:02 PM UTC

From my understanding, OCN mods use this as well. Your point?
So, moderators on other server use this modification, your point?

ImNotYourTiger February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC

Replay mod is completely unreliable and unstable. A friend of mine (4lextr) got banned of "hacks" when he was one of the best pvpers I've ever met. Staff stated they used the replay mod and it showed he was hacking "for sure" so thus, he would stay banned. I suggest recording instead of replay mods. I've never used the replay mod, so I don't know if there will be a difference, but all I know is the replay mod isn't accurate

Stimulating February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC

So, moderators on other server use this modification, your point?
OCN is a well-established server. Proof that a server as big as OCN is using it to aid with the banning of hackers and cheaters shows the mod is at least semi-reliable. Staff on well-established servers wouldn't use the mod if it wasn't reliable.

Legoche February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC

I think it isn't 100% reliable but it is useful for catching hackers

NovaLikesPvP February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC

-1 Horrible 4 someone who's accused..

DaFrozenBlaze February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC

Replay mod is best for checking KB, others maybe but not as reliable. Also note I didn't say this mod cannot detect hacks, I'm saying it's not reliable. When it's not reliable, things happen.

PieZ February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC

I think it isn't 100% reliable but it is useful for catching hackers
This.
And if you know what minecraft hits look like all were plain as day legit. We do not ban people off of one stupid thing in the replay mod, we ban when there is 100% propf

DaFrozenBlaze February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC

-1 Horrible 4 someone who's accused..
What do you mean?

NovaLikesPvP February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC

What do you mean?
Seeing Some1's POV w/ Replay Mod is not the same as the real player has, I experimented that lol.

DaFrozenBlaze February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC

Seeing Some1's POV w/ Replay Mod is not the same as the real player has, I experimented that lol.
Yes that's what I am not every sure about. That's why I said it isn't reliable, but can be used to a slight extent to backup other evidences. As long as this isn't the only evidence used for a ban I'm fine.

PieZ February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC

Ok let's stop this childish argument right here. Blaze, who was recording may I ask?

NovaLikesPvP February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC

@PieZ : ShouDi bans..
@Frozen : ^
@Mykee_Gee : U mad?

steven5703 February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC

There's a replay feature in OBS... mods should just use that. Its not even that laggy.

DaFrozenBlaze February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC

Ok let's stop this childish argument right here. Blaze, who was recording may I ask?
Why do you need to know?

PieZ February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC

Why do you need to know?
There is a certain bug with the replay mod about aiming. It depends who records the video

DaFrozenBlaze February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC

There is a certain bug with the replay mod about aiming. It depends who records the video
Merp

PieZ February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC

Merp
Was merp the one hitting the guys?

DaFrozenBlaze February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC

Was merp the one hitting the guys?
He was the one hitting the zombies. The entire video is his POV.

NovaLikesPvP February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC

Was merp the one hitting the guys?
ShouDi didn't hack :(

Stimulating February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC

@PieZ : ShouDi bans..
@Frozen : ^
@Mykee_Gee : U mad?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv75pGGQMgY 
So you're saying that's legit?

NovaLikesPvP February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv75pGGQMgY 
So you're saying that's legit?
Idk, it was replay mod.

xNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

Still find it hilarious you banned 4lextr

Stimulating February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

Idk, it was replay mod.
That's normal recording, look at chat, ShouDi killed him

Stimulating February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

Still find it hilarious you banned 4lextr
He was literally using anti-kb, there really wasn't much doubt at all

PieZ February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

He was the one hitting the zombies. The entire video is his POV.
There is a glitch if you record yourself. The head is never exactly where the player is. Now this should not be a problem if you are not reporting yourself. We also are changing ways we catch cheaters so if this caused fear we apologize but do not worry because we have more. We only use replay if we are 100% sure someone is cheating.

steven5703 February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

oh no my friend got banned. since he was my friend, that must mean he wasnt hacking, right????

xNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

He was literally using anti-kb, there really wasn't much doubt at all
HAHA OK

Stimulating February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

HAHA OK
Have you even bothered to look at the evidence? Just wondering, since you seem so sure of your judgement.

Vobaseball12 February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

HAHA OK
I showed it to you....

DaFrozenBlaze February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

There is a glitch if you record yourself. The head is never exactly where the player is. Now this should not be a problem if you are not reporting yourself. We also are changing ways we catch cheaters so if this caused fear we apologize but do not worry because we have more. We only use replay if we are 100% sure someone is cheating.
Thanks for clarifying. I just hope noone gets falsely banned for this, but as you said you only use this if you are 100% sure so it's fine. :)

xNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

He was literally using anti-kb, there really wasn't much doubt at all
It's sometimes depends on people's interent though like ingigo's internet. He takes less kb than everyone. 

And also didnt you screenshare 4lextr? And wasn't he clean?

xNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

Have you even bothered to look at the evidence? Just wondering, since you seem so sure of your judgement.
I have seen the evidence actually and I'm 110% sure he doesn't hack

Vobaseball12 February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

It's sometimes depends on people's interent though like ingigo's internet. He takes less kb than everyone. 

And also didnt you screenshare 4lextr? And wasn't he clean?
So your internet allows you to take no knock back at all, and that's including delayed.....?

We never screen shared 4lextr as it wasn't necessary.

xNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

So your internet allows you to take no knock back at all, and that's including delayed.....?

We never screen shared 4lextr as it wasn't necessary.
So there's no way possible that he can't prove to you he doesn't hack?

Stimulating February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

It's sometimes depends on people's interent though like ingigo's internet. He takes less kb than everyone. 

And also didnt you screenshare 4lextr? And wasn't he clean?
a) You can literally just use a USB or Injection client and be immune from screenshares. You see leaderboard-level players on Kohi getting off from screenshares who cheat all the time. Also, the staff there are WAY better at screensharing than avicus staff tbh. 

b) You do realize that the only way you take that no kb legit is if you're frozen, which he clearly wasn't. 4lextr was running around freely without taking knockback. 

c) You don't seem to have a very good understanding of knockback. Almost nothing can reduce your vertical kb, but there are a few ways to reduce horizontal knockback. The fact that his kb was zero in vertical and horizontal while running freely without lag means he was clearly hacking. 

EDIT:

d) There is absolutely no need to waste our time on a screenshare when he was using anti-kb 

e) Screensharing isn't a crutch for staff to lean on, which is what everyone views it as and it's why the community whines and complains whenever their friends are blatantly hacking and get banned as a result. "Why didn't you screenshare him?" Maybe because it wasn't needed, maybe because they could've deleted the files by then. There are too many reasons not to

steven5703 February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

So there's no way possible that he can't prove to you he doesn't hack?
Well screensharing isn't reliable anyway

xNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

Tbh most people that aren't mods have disagreed with using the replay mods anyway smh

xNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

a) You can literally just use a USB or Injection client and be immune from screenshares. You see leaderboard-level players on Kohi getting off from screenshares who cheat all the time. Also, the staff there are WAY better at screensharing than avicus staff tbh. 

b) You do realize that the only way you take that no kb legit is if you're frozen, which he clearly wasn't. 4lextr was running around freely without taking knockback. 

c) You don't seem to have a very good understanding of knockback. Almost nothing can reduce your vertical kb, but there are a few ways to reduce horizontal knockback. The fact that his kb was zero in vertical and horizontal while running freely without lag means he was clearly hacking. 

EDIT:

d) There is absolutely no need to waste our time on a screenshare when he was using anti-kb 

e) Screensharing isn't a crutch for staff to lean on, which is what everyone views it as and it's why the community whines and complains whenever their friends are blatantly hacking and get banned as a result. "Why didn't you screenshare him?" Maybe because it wasn't needed, maybe because they could've deleted the files by then. There are too many reasons not to
He kept on running though and then he turned around, he was lagging

Vobaseball12 February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

Tbh most people that aren't mods have disagreed with using the replay mods anyway smh
Because they don't know enough about it.

Vobaseball12 February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

He kept on running though and then he turned around, he was lagging
Then like I just said, if he wasn't hacking, he would have taken delayed KB.

xNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

Because they don't know enough about it.
So you're 100% the replay mod is reliable

Stimulating February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

Tbh most people that aren't mods have disagreed with using the replay mods anyway smh
Because most people are too ignorant and don't bother to do enough research to actually have a meaningful opinion on the matter, therefore complain based off lack of knowledge. 

Not to mention the egos people try to protect

xNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

So is there anyone he can prove that he wasn't hacking? Because he can prove it any way possible

xNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

Yes, if you know what you're looking at.
What do you mean

steven5703 February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

What do you mean
ur mom

xNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

ur mom
Prove it ;)

Vobaseball12 February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

What do you mean
Worded that wrong, sorry. Yes, I believe it's reliable.

xNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC

Worded that wrong, sorry. Yes, I believe it's reliable.
This is the third time asking but is there anyway he can prove he doesn't hack

PieZ February 13, 2016 at 5:02 PM UTC

This is the third time asking but is there anyway he can prove he doesn't hack
It is not really simple
He would need to prove that the replay mod does not produce accurate KB to the extent of not taking any and proving how we was the only one to not take KB when everyone else did.

tomqss February 14, 2016 at 3:02 AM UTC

Replay mod is completely unreliable and unstable. A friend of mine (4lextr) got banned of "hacks" when he was one of the best pvpers I've ever met. Staff stated they used the replay mod and it showed he was hacking "for sure" so thus, he would stay banned. I suggest recording instead of replay mods. I've never used the replay mod, so I don't know if there will be a difference, but all I know is the replay mod isn't accurate
Since when being a good pvper proves you didn't hack once...?

ImNotYourTiger February 14, 2016 at 4:02 AM UTC

Since when being a good pvper proves you didn't hack once...?
I'm saying someone could have mistakened it for hacks, since he's a good Pvper.