Replay Mod by DaFrozenBlaze February 13, 2016 at 11:02 AM UTC
Recently, some staff have been using purely replay mod for hacking evidence, specifically safe aura.It apparently has been tested several times and the code has been checked.
Some people say it's reliable, some say it shouldn't be used at all.
So Merp and I did a small test.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKcuEzYGNJk&feature=youtu.be
We realised most of the time, even though the player is not hacking, he still looks like he has safe aura. It's just the replay mod.
It should really only be used for videos and montages, not evidence for hacking. It isn't reliable.
Opinions?
shadowolfyt February 13, 2016 at 11:02 AM UTC
In my opinion the Replay Mods is not something to use to assess and ban hackers. It's very inaccurate I suggest go back to the original process and use a screen recorder and recorded it yourself don't assess your hacking reports on a inaccurate mod.Just my opinion :)
Eteh February 13, 2016 at 11:02 AM UTC
In my opinion, the replay mod is not reliable at all. I agree with what blaze said. Moderators should be well trained enough to detect such hacks.Tazz February 13, 2016 at 12:02 PM UTC
You could just show safe aura normally instead of flicking your mouse every secondTazz February 13, 2016 at 12:02 PM UTC
In my opinion, the replay mod is not reliable at all. I agree with what blaze said. Moderators should be well trained enough to detect such hacks.
DaFrozenBlaze February 13, 2016 at 12:02 PM UTC
You could just show safe aura normally instead of flicking your mouse every second
Tazz February 13, 2016 at 12:02 PM UTC
Um sorry I don't get what you said :/
Stimulating February 13, 2016 at 12:02 PM UTC
Mehrp February 13, 2016 at 12:02 PM UTC
You can't detect smooth aim, trigger, safe aura etc from a third person point of view?
Mehrp February 13, 2016 at 12:02 PM UTC
Tazz February 13, 2016 at 12:02 PM UTC
Its hard enough as it is to detect smooth aim, trigger and safeaura from plugins, and so you'd suggest using a mod intended for cinematics to try and catch them instead? If you see both clips you can see that from my pov it is very jolted whereas on the replay mod its completely smooth, even at 0.1x speed. At 0.1x speed the replay mod gives 60fps output. Hang on a moment, at 0.1x it gives 60fps recording? So either I had 600fps on the build server or somethings wrong. It's the latter. In addition, I do not appreciate your comment above that where you seem to be hackusating. Excuse my lack of understanding with the remark you made as you may not have intended to be hackusating. If you are, however, hackusating then I'm sure you'd agree with me that that's not a good example to be setting as a moderator as you punish people for doing so. Oh and to clarify, in case you really do think I hack, I wasn't using any hack of any type in that video. The mods I had installed were forgecore, bskrpcore (for shaders), better foliage, World edit, the replay mod and forge loader, minecraft coder pack, arrow camera and tabbychat 2. If you do think I was hacking in that video then it shows one of two things: The replay mod is inaccurate or You cannot accurately detect hacks. Either way a change needs to be implemented as I fear players will be falsely banned in the future.
Mehrp February 13, 2016 at 12:02 PM UTC
I never said you were hacking, nor have I ever supported the use of Replay Mod.
I mis-interpreted that statement, then. I apologise.
AtditC February 13, 2016 at 12:02 PM UTC
Replay Mod? Hahahaha xD I hear of this the first time now, and Mods really use this? xDD rip avicus?Vobaseball12 February 13, 2016 at 2:02 PM UTC
If you guys are arguing against 4lextr's ban, which I believe you are, lemme give you a couple of points.1. He was obviously using Anti-Knockback, therefore his ban will stay.
2. Let's say he wasn't using Anti-Knockback, and just SafeAura (like last time). I understand how in your way (flicking your mouse around and clicking) the replay mod gets messed up, but in 4lextr's video he wasn't doing that. He turned around, never got on my hitbox, and still hit me.
If you guys want to talk more about this, we can talk about it on TS.
Also, I have never gotten the arguement of "replay mod is just for cinematics, therefore it can't be used to detect ghost clienters." People complain about hackers, replay mod is a supplement (we don't just use it for everything, just ghost clienters) and we do our jobs.
Stimulating February 13, 2016 at 2:02 PM UTC
Replay Mod? Hahahaha xD I hear of this the first time now, and Mods really use this? xDD rip avicus?
DaFrozenBlaze February 13, 2016 at 2:02 PM UTC
If you guys are arguing against 4lextr's ban, which I believe you are, lemme give you a couple of points.
1. He was obviously using Anti-Knockback, therefore his ban will stay.
2. Let's say he wasn't using Anti-Knockback, and just SafeAura (like last time). I understand how in your way (flicking your mouse around and clicking) the replay mod gets messed up, but in 4lextr's video he wasn't doing that. He turned around, never got on my hitbox, and still hit me.
If you guys want to talk more about this, we can talk about it on TS.
Also, I have never gotten the arguement of "replay mod is just for cinematics, therefore it can't be used to detect ghost clienters." People complain about hackers, replay mod is a supplement (we don't just use it for everything, just ghost clienters) and we do our jobs.
Mykee_Gee February 13, 2016 at 2:02 PM UTC
If you guys are arguing against 4lextr's ban, which I believe you are, lemme give you a couple of points.
1. He was obviously using Anti-Knockback, therefore his ban will stay.
2. Let's say he wasn't using Anti-Knockback, and just SafeAura (like last time). I understand how in your way (flicking your mouse around and clicking) the replay mod gets messed up, but in 4lextr's video he wasn't doing that. He turned around, never got on my hitbox, and still hit me.
If you guys want to talk more about this, we can talk about it on TS.
Also, I have never gotten the arguement of "replay mod is just for cinematics, therefore it can't be used to detect ghost clienters." People complain about hackers, replay mod is a supplement (we don't just use it for everything, just ghost clienters) and we do our jobs.
I don't understand.
Mykee_Gee February 13, 2016 at 2:02 PM UTC
From my understanding, OCN mods use this as well. Your point?
ImNotYourTiger February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC
Replay mod is completely unreliable and unstable. A friend of mine (4lextr) got banned of "hacks" when he was one of the best pvpers I've ever met. Staff stated they used the replay mod and it showed he was hacking "for sure" so thus, he would stay banned. I suggest recording instead of replay mods. I've never used the replay mod, so I don't know if there will be a difference, but all I know is the replay mod isn't accurateStimulating February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC
So, moderators on other server use this modification, your point?
Legoche February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC
I think it isn't 100% reliable but it is useful for catching hackersNovaLikesPvP February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC
-1 Horrible 4 someone who's accused..DaFrozenBlaze February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC
Replay mod is best for checking KB, others maybe but not as reliable. Also note I didn't say this mod cannot detect hacks, I'm saying it's not reliable. When it's not reliable, things happen.PieZ February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC
I think it isn't 100% reliable but it is useful for catching hackers
And if you know what minecraft hits look like all were plain as day legit. We do not ban people off of one stupid thing in the replay mod, we ban when there is 100% propf
DaFrozenBlaze February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC
-1 Horrible 4 someone who's accused..
NovaLikesPvP February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC
What do you mean?
DaFrozenBlaze February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC
Seeing Some1's POV w/ Replay Mod is not the same as the real player has, I experimented that lol.
PieZ February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC
Ok let's stop this childish argument right here. Blaze, who was recording may I ask?NovaLikesPvP February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC
@PieZ : ShouDi bans..@Frozen : ^
@Mykee_Gee : U mad?
steven5703 February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC
There's a replay feature in OBS... mods should just use that. Its not even that laggy.DaFrozenBlaze February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC
Ok let's stop this childish argument right here. Blaze, who was recording may I ask?
PieZ February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC
Why do you need to know?
DaFrozenBlaze February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC
There is a certain bug with the replay mod about aiming. It depends who records the video
PieZ February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC
Merp
DaFrozenBlaze February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC
Was merp the one hitting the guys?
NovaLikesPvP February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC
Was merp the one hitting the guys?
Stimulating February 13, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC
@PieZ : ShouDi bans..
@Frozen : ^
@Mykee_Gee : U mad?
So you're saying that's legit?
NovaLikesPvP February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv75pGGQMgY
So you're saying that's legit?
xNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
Still find it hilarious you banned 4lextrStimulating February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
Idk, it was replay mod.
Stimulating February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
Still find it hilarious you banned 4lextr
PieZ February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
He was the one hitting the zombies. The entire video is his POV.
steven5703 February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
oh no my friend got banned. since he was my friend, that must mean he wasnt hacking, right????xNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
He was literally using anti-kb, there really wasn't much doubt at all
Stimulating February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
HAHA OK
Vobaseball12 February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
HAHA OK
DaFrozenBlaze February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
There is a glitch if you record yourself. The head is never exactly where the player is. Now this should not be a problem if you are not reporting yourself. We also are changing ways we catch cheaters so if this caused fear we apologize but do not worry because we have more. We only use replay if we are 100% sure someone is cheating.
xNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
He was literally using anti-kb, there really wasn't much doubt at all
And also didnt you screenshare 4lextr? And wasn't he clean?
xNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
Have you even bothered to look at the evidence? Just wondering, since you seem so sure of your judgement.
Vobaseball12 February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
It's sometimes depends on people's interent though like ingigo's internet. He takes less kb than everyone.
And also didnt you screenshare 4lextr? And wasn't he clean?
We never screen shared 4lextr as it wasn't necessary.
xNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
So your internet allows you to take no knock back at all, and that's including delayed.....?
We never screen shared 4lextr as it wasn't necessary.
Stimulating February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
It's sometimes depends on people's interent though like ingigo's internet. He takes less kb than everyone.
And also didnt you screenshare 4lextr? And wasn't he clean?
b) You do realize that the only way you take that no kb legit is if you're frozen, which he clearly wasn't. 4lextr was running around freely without taking knockback.
c) You don't seem to have a very good understanding of knockback. Almost nothing can reduce your vertical kb, but there are a few ways to reduce horizontal knockback. The fact that his kb was zero in vertical and horizontal while running freely without lag means he was clearly hacking.
EDIT:
d) There is absolutely no need to waste our time on a screenshare when he was using anti-kb
e) Screensharing isn't a crutch for staff to lean on, which is what everyone views it as and it's why the community whines and complains whenever their friends are blatantly hacking and get banned as a result. "Why didn't you screenshare him?" Maybe because it wasn't needed, maybe because they could've deleted the files by then. There are too many reasons not to
steven5703 February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
So there's no way possible that he can't prove to you he doesn't hack?
xNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
Tbh most people that aren't mods have disagreed with using the replay mods anyway smhxNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
a) You can literally just use a USB or Injection client and be immune from screenshares. You see leaderboard-level players on Kohi getting off from screenshares who cheat all the time. Also, the staff there are WAY better at screensharing than avicus staff tbh.
b) You do realize that the only way you take that no kb legit is if you're frozen, which he clearly wasn't. 4lextr was running around freely without taking knockback.
c) You don't seem to have a very good understanding of knockback. Almost nothing can reduce your vertical kb, but there are a few ways to reduce horizontal knockback. The fact that his kb was zero in vertical and horizontal while running freely without lag means he was clearly hacking.
EDIT:
d) There is absolutely no need to waste our time on a screenshare when he was using anti-kb
e) Screensharing isn't a crutch for staff to lean on, which is what everyone views it as and it's why the community whines and complains whenever their friends are blatantly hacking and get banned as a result. "Why didn't you screenshare him?" Maybe because it wasn't needed, maybe because they could've deleted the files by then. There are too many reasons not to
Vobaseball12 February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
Tbh most people that aren't mods have disagreed with using the replay mods anyway smh
Vobaseball12 February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
He kept on running though and then he turned around, he was lagging
xNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
Because they don't know enough about it.
Stimulating February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
Tbh most people that aren't mods have disagreed with using the replay mods anyway smh
Not to mention the egos people try to protect
xNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
So is there anyone he can prove that he wasn't hacking? Because he can prove it any way possiblexNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
Yes, if you know what you're looking at.
steven5703 February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
What do you mean
xNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
ur mom
Vobaseball12 February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
What do you mean
xNemoII February 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM UTC
Worded that wrong, sorry. Yes, I believe it's reliable.
PieZ February 13, 2016 at 5:02 PM UTC
This is the third time asking but is there anyway he can prove he doesn't hack
He would need to prove that the replay mod does not produce accurate KB to the extent of not taking any and proving how we was the only one to not take KB when everyone else did.
tomqss February 14, 2016 at 3:02 AM UTC
Replay mod is completely unreliable and unstable. A friend of mine (4lextr) got banned of "hacks" when he was one of the best pvpers I've ever met. Staff stated they used the replay mod and it showed he was hacking "for sure" so thus, he would stay banned. I suggest recording instead of replay mods. I've never used the replay mod, so I don't know if there will be a difference, but all I know is the replay mod isn't accurate
ImNotYourTiger February 14, 2016 at 4:02 AM UTC
Since when being a good pvper proves you didn't hack once...?