Removal of Censorships by DonaldMyTrump April 10, 2016 at 12:04 PM UTC
Hey, I'm Zac as ya'll probably know. I've dropped this issue for a while but have decided to bring it up again. This is the argument of Anti-Censorship. As those who have followed my arguments on this know I am against censorship in all forms. For the sake of this discussion I will be forming my side into main sections to organize how people address this post.The N-word
The N-word has two forms. I hope that for the sake of adequately explaining my side people will make an exception and allow me to fully quote a source. To show that I do follow the rules even if I disagree with them however I will refer to them as N-word-a and N-word-er when using them in my own content.
"Nigger; a black man with a slavery chain around his neck. Nigga; a black man with a gold chain on his neck."
-Tupac Shakur.
The N-word-er was historically used to oppress the African-American people during their slavery and following periods of discrimination against the minority. It has since been transformed into N-word-a which while not only representative of N-word-er there are key differences. Both however have been used by the Hip Hop movement and other African-American empowering communities to prove the lack of power that word holds over them as a people. While N-word-er was originally purposed to support oppression, it was re-purposed to show the lack of power that words have by overusing and common-izing the word.
Killing of Self/ Self harm
Killing oneself is a terrible and selfish action fueled by a desire for either attention or end of suffering. It has become widely used especially around gaming communities as a go-to insult. However such statements allow for the development of social norms and the throwing off of the great level of pity that normally accompanies such events. Making such events a topic of regular discussion rather than a taboo topic not only encourages people to more openly discuss their emotional and chemical imbalances but also allows for the self pity hope of creating public pity to be destroyed leaving less motivation for such actions to occur.
Satire
Knowing that there are other aspects than the negative connotations that come with these topics; we can open ourselves to a new type of education for ourselves, one designed not only to give us information efficiently but mixed with it's own substance to allow it to hold the attention of the immediate gratification society the new generation is being brought up in. The popularity and effectiveness of this new form of education can be seen throughout popular society. Whether it be the political satire of the Daily Show or the celebrity satire of Katt Williams or even the twitch streamer persona of Brittney Venti, satire is undeniably present and effective at publishing a message and therefore should not be censored as it not only is contrary to the good of the development of society but supports a world of oppression, division and silence.
NovaLikesPvP April 10, 2016 at 12:04 PM UTC
okLegoche April 10, 2016 at 12:04 PM UTC
nohasl April 10, 2016 at 12:04 PM UTC
What do you hope to achieve out of this?DaFrozenBlaze April 10, 2016 at 12:04 PM UTC
Somewhat agree with some points, still a bit meh.DonaldMyTrump April 10, 2016 at 12:04 PM UTC
Since my post takes more than a minute to read and I have multiple negative posts, posted less than a minute after my OP, I would like to request that their posts be removed as they don't relate to the topic as the posters have not cared to educate themselves on the opinions of the opposition.Legoche April 10, 2016 at 12:04 PM UTC
SURPRISE SALAMI
DonaldMyTrump April 10, 2016 at 12:04 PM UTC
SURPRISE SALAMI
SpicyAF April 10, 2016 at 12:04 PM UTC
SURPRISE SALAMI
mustafa April 10, 2016 at 12:04 PM UTC
dem u gimme a sp00kCrimson_Aught April 10, 2016 at 12:04 PM UTC
N-word is racismKYs is exessive rudeness
Satire can be good or rude. I'm not against satire, just don't need to be rude.
DonaldMyTrump April 10, 2016 at 12:04 PM UTC
N-word is racism
KYs is exessive rudeness
Satire can be good or rude. I'm not against satire, just don't need to be rude.
Labeling something racist or rude encourages people to continue to taboo the subjects and give those statements merit as tools of oppression. Only through over-exposure can we degrade those words while acknowledging our history.
Wahiz April 10, 2016 at 12:04 PM UTC
I agree with you for once ^~^ImNotYourTiger April 10, 2016 at 1:04 PM UTC
So your plan is to let the word "Nigga" be used without having it censored?ClubberNugget April 10, 2016 at 1:04 PM UTC
Censorship should be according to the group.If one guy in a group doesn't like someone using the n word, then you should be considerate to stop using it. But if nobody cares, why do you need to stop it.
Same with satire, if someone doesn't like it, shut your yap, but if nobody minds, have at it.
Now I personally think that telling someone to kill themself is a mean and dick move. But if your group doesn't care, why should it be stopped.
Juanooo April 10, 2016 at 1:04 PM UTC
Censorship should be according to the group.
If one guy in a group doesn't like someone using the n word, then you should be considerate to stop using it. But if nobody cares, why do you need to stop it.
Same with satire, if someone doesn't like it, shut your yap, but if nobody minds, have at it.
Now I personally think that telling someone to kill themself is a mean and dick move. But if your group doesn't care, why should it be stopped.
You're basically saying we should stop doing/saying such things for the sake of people being bothered by it, correct? According to your example, none of those people had a solid base to back up their opinions so in all honesty, censorship here should be a thing as long as the group of people who are against it provide a somewhat decent point of view over the situation to prove the opposite. Saying 'no' is not enough.
Iron April 10, 2016 at 2:04 PM UTC
This is a minecraft server for teenagers, yes most understand racism and such but that doesn't mean that individuals won't be offended or hurt by suggestive comments. Satire provokes unnecessary arguments and hence can be incredibly harmful. The use of the N word is highly derogatory and has the same connotations as using terms such as "Paki" or "Jigaboo." Assuming that just because it doesnt end with "er" is an incredibly stupid argument as it is the exact same term just spoken in slang. Also, saying "Nigga" in a rap song is HIGHLY different then saying "Nigger" to someone's face. Again this is not a server for toxic and rude people, its for people to actually have fun and not be plagued with rude and offensive terms.Myworld6 April 10, 2016 at 2:04 PM UTC
Satire breaks down barriers it shouldn't be limited to serve the feelings of individuals under the guise of rudeness.
Labeling something racist or rude encourages people to continue to taboo the subjects and give those statements merit as tools of oppression. Only through over-exposure can we degrade those words while acknowledging our history.
Also, while it's true that the N-word could have its effectiveness removed in society, telling someone to commit suicide should never be allowed. Using such a grave and significant term so flippantly is a terrible thing to do. Thus, I don't believe that people who commit suicide are seeking attention. More often than not, it's the media who publicise this information as if they have any right to, and as such people begin to believe that, "oh, he committed suicide because he wanted to be famous" or, "she's just thinking of herself". Some people feel that they don't have a choice, and if the removal of censorship were to occur, I believe that this rather ignorant viewpoint must be addressed and removed.
piratewithgun April 10, 2016 at 2:04 PM UTC
whats the point of killing yourself for attention if youre gunna be dead anyway?_Jupiter April 10, 2016 at 5:04 PM UTC
There's a thin line between satire and blatant rudeness and disrespect. No one deserves to be a victim of abuse, and while the idea of removing the effectiveness of these words/phrases in society is something that I whole-heartedly support, the sad truth is that it will never happen. Humanity has always used words that are intended to insult, and even if these words and phrases were removed, new words would inevitably be used in their place.
Also, while it's true that the N-word could have its effectiveness removed in society, telling someone to commit suicide should never be allowed. Using such a grave and significant term so flippantly is a terrible thing to do. Thus, I don't believe that people who commit suicide are seeking attention. More often than not, it's the media who publicise this information as if they have any right to, and as such people begin to believe that, "oh, he committed suicide because he wanted to be famous" or, "she's just thinking of herself". Some people feel that they don't have a choice, and if the removal of censorship were to occur, I believe that this rather ignorant viewpoint must be addressed and removed.
PieZ April 10, 2016 at 5:04 PM UTC
If you are going to disagree with the op. I would suggest doing it in a way that does not cause flame war. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and we should respect that.DaGoldBrick April 10, 2016 at 5:04 PM UTC
If you are going to disagree with the op. I would suggest doing it in a way that does not cause flame war. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and we should respect that.
DonaldMyTrump April 10, 2016 at 7:04 PM UTC
This is a minecraft server for teenagers, yes most understand racism and such but that doesn't mean that individuals won't be offended or hurt by suggestive comments. Satire provokes unnecessary arguments and hence can be incredibly harmful. The use of the N word is highly derogatory and has the same connotations as using terms such as "Paki" or "Jigaboo." Assuming that just because it doesnt end with "er" is an incredibly stupid argument as it is the exact same term just spoken in slang. Also, saying "Nigga" in a rap song is HIGHLY different then saying "Nigger" to someone's face. Again this is not a server for toxic and rude people, its for people to actually have fun and not be plagued with rude and offensive terms.
The server can be fun without staff running around trying to make everyone happy. I think that nigger and nigga should both be allowed, continuing to censor it just gives the word more power and increases the animosity around it. Censoring the word undoes the work of those who want to remove the word's power and in turn empower those it profiles.
DonaldMyTrump April 10, 2016 at 7:04 PM UTC
There's a thin line between satire and blatant rudeness and disrespect. No one deserves to be a victim of abuse, and while the idea of removing the effectiveness of these words/phrases in society is something that I whole-heartedly support, the sad truth is that it will never happen. Humanity has always used words that are intended to insult, and even if these words and phrases were removed, new words would inevitably be used in their place.
Also, while it's true that the N-word could have its effectiveness removed in society, telling someone to commit suicide should never be allowed. Using such a grave and significant term so flippantly is a terrible thing to do. Thus, I don't believe that people who commit suicide are seeking attention. More often than not, it's the media who publicise this information as if they have any right to, and as such people begin to believe that, "oh, he committed suicide because he wanted to be famous" or, "she's just thinking of herself". Some people feel that they don't have a choice, and if the removal of censorship were to occur, I believe that this rather ignorant viewpoint must be addressed and removed.
In a society more connected than ever it foolish to assume we cant eliminate derogatory terms' effectiveness. It is also overly pessimistic to not try.
DonaldMyTrump April 10, 2016 at 7:04 PM UTC
So your plan is to let the word "Nigga" be used without having it censored?
DonaldMyTrump April 10, 2016 at 8:04 PM UTC
whats the point of killing yourself for attention if youre gunna be dead anyway?
awesome_apricot April 10, 2016 at 8:04 PM UTC
In a recent study men's most popular methods of suicide (gunshot, jumping off a building, hanging self, etc...) was accredited with recieving their positions for it's gore and the attention it brought. Suicide and self harm are attention seeking devices
In a society more connected than ever it foolish to assume we cant eliminate derogatory terms' effectiveness. It is also overly pessimistic to not try.
FrozenSolstice April 10, 2016 at 8:04 PM UTC
All properly functioning humans have a desire for social acceptance to help us work as a unit. This instinct can overwhelm us and cause us to end our lives thinking in our deaths that we will be remembered in a way that grants us social acceptance. Look at news coverage of a child who kills themselves after bullying. Everyone says the kid was nice or sweet but had issues adjusting, despite the positive feedback on the child they were bullied. The way media glorifies and reveres people who kill themselves teaches youth suicide is almost heroic. It's shit but it plays to our instincts.
Moving along, what exactly do you want to achieve out of this topic? If it's cancelling the censorship on the topics you listed earlier, I do have quite the problem with that.
Myworld6 April 10, 2016 at 8:04 PM UTC
In a recent study men's most popular methods of suicide (gunshot, jumping off a building, hanging self, etc...) was accredited with recieving their positions for it's gore and the attention it brought. Suicide and self harm are attention seeking devices
In a society more connected than ever it foolish to assume we cant eliminate derogatory terms' effectiveness. It is also overly pessimistic to not try.
There are other ways to eliminate the effectiveness of derogatory terms. I highly doubt that if it was acceptable to say these words that people would be happy to wait an immeasurable amount of time for a term to become ineffective.
DonaldMyTrump April 10, 2016 at 8:04 PM UTC
The society we live in is theoretically connected more than ever, however I feel more lonely texting than with someone. Strange huh? A screen doesn't actually build relationships? Who'd have guessed it?
Numberz_ April 10, 2016 at 8:04 PM UTC
Racism and encouragement of self harm should never be allowed under any circumstance. Satire is fine if it doesn't involve the use of any inappropriate or racist language.DonaldMyTrump April 10, 2016 at 8:04 PM UTC
I've never seen suicide glorified.
Moving along, what exactly do you want to achieve out of this topic? If it's cancelling the censorship on the topics you listed earlier, I do have quite the problem with that.
Yup. Go ahead have a problem, I expect people will.
SnowSX3 April 10, 2016 at 8:04 PM UTC
I like how Zac actually thinks that censorship on Avicus is going to chance xDCertain words, images, phrases etc. are censored for a reason.
It's to protect people.
In terms of Avicus, the player base ranges from approx. 12-18
Meaning that most of the community are classified as kids.
Thing is, the majority of people don't share the same opinion as Zac for obvious reasons.
Zac wants the words nigga and nigger to be allowed and references the historical backgrounds of these words, however, the reason why these words will never be allowed to say is because when someone says it, it's normally used as a derogatory and disrespectful manner.
Most people refer to these words as harmful and very rarely refer to them in a historical sense.
Regardless of personal opinion, nothing will change because..well..common sense xD
Could you imagine Avicus actually allowing this lol
/endrant
crawls back into the dark cave of inactivity
ImNotYourTiger April 10, 2016 at 8:04 PM UTC
All properly functioning humans have a desire for social acceptance to help us work as a unit. This instinct can overwhelm us and cause us to end our lives thinking in our deaths that we will be remembered in a way that grants us social acceptance. Look at news coverage of a child who kills themselves after bullying. Everyone says the kid was nice or sweet but had issues adjusting, despite the positive feedback on the child they were bullied. The way media glorifies and reveres people who kill themselves teaches youth suicide is almost heroic. It's shit but it plays to our instincts.
AtditC April 10, 2016 at 9:04 PM UTC
lock plz, thx.i dont even read the text, i just see who posted it and then i already know it's shit xDD