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Who did you vote for and why? by Zintenka November 20, 2016 at 8:11 PM UTC

I'll start off; I voted for Hillary because we had no other choice besides the other parties. The other parties had no chance of getting a chance of being POTUS because they don't know how to advertise whatsoever.

So it was in a case of a lesser of two evils for me.

Now, I'm not particularly happy about Trump being elected President and I have many reasons why I am worried, why I have friends who are horrified and why my College will protect undocumented immigrants.

But. He won the Electoral College. So be it.

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I know each of you Trump supporters had your own reservations for voting for Trump. Whether you're a person who is an adult and has suffered from machines taking away your jobs, or you're a guy who is an evangelist and wants the Separation of Church and State to not be viable anymore, you're a dude who wants to be able to say anything you want no matter how much trouble it can cause or you're secretly a member of the Ku Klux Klan... you had your reasons.

However, if you're one of the retards who wrote-in Harambe or Superman. I hope you realize the amount of trouble you put on yourself IF you are among the demographic who will be the most effected.

So I can understand why anyone would listen to a demagogue. After all, I voted for Bernie Sanders.

But what I don't get is why you guys would believe he would fix corruption in Washington?

Why did you guys believe he wasn't part of the Establishment when he is a billionaire who has scammed many people before?

This isn't a salt topic or anything. I just want to know your reasons - if you voted for him?

Plz no lock :c

resepignev November 20, 2016 at 8:11 PM UTC

Angela Merkel, because "wir schaffen das"!

ViceTechnicolour November 20, 2016 at 8:11 PM UTC

Angela Merkel

Zintenka November 20, 2016 at 8:11 PM UTC

Who's that? ._.

Seuthy November 20, 2016 at 8:11 PM UTC

Why do you care?

Numberz_ November 20, 2016 at 8:11 PM UTC

I'm Canadian, but if I was American, I would've voted Trump. He's the candidate that really understood what America needed.

Midnightstorm November 20, 2016 at 8:11 PM UTC

Not old enough, but it would've been this one.

Zintenka November 20, 2016 at 9:11 PM UTC

Why do you care?
Because I voted.

Nice post though, lol

resepignev November 20, 2016 at 9:11 PM UTC

Because I voted.

Nice post though, lol
*voted someone to vote for you

dev_revs November 20, 2016 at 9:11 PM UTC

wasn't the election like 2 weeks ago? you are probably one of the people who didn't have to take their midterm and was crying for two whole days. please lock.

Zintenka November 20, 2016 at 9:11 PM UTC

*voted someone to vote for you
AH!

Yes... the Electoral College lol

HotAndCrunch November 20, 2016 at 9:11 PM UTC

BorisBoris, Boris

Zintenka November 20, 2016 at 9:11 PM UTC

wasn't the election like 2 weeks ago? you are probably one of the people who didn't have to take their midterm and was crying for two whole days. please lock.
Aggressive much?

First of all, I DID take my midterms for college for multiple classes. I had to annotate an essay and define various vocabulary words that you probably don't even know yourself.

I had to do an art project with Vector graphics software called Adobe Illustrator and I had to do a midterm on Art History.

50% of the grade was remembering images' names and using formal vocabulary words to define their characteristics like Representational, Abstract or Hierarchical Scale.

And no, I was not crying. I'm just worried and balking how anyone who wanted POSITIVE change could vote for this guy? 

I have my reservations about Donald Trump and I'm respecting anyone who voted for their candidate. 

I don't call Donald Trump voters racist and my friends who voted for Trump don't call me racists - please respect me the same way I do to you.

SamuelJacob9 November 20, 2016 at 9:11 PM UTC

I'm Aussie and I'm not old enough, but I would've voted Trump.

vladthegreat100 November 20, 2016 at 9:11 PM UTC

Is it too late to vote for Harambr yet?

Zintenka November 20, 2016 at 9:11 PM UTC

@Samuel, @MidnightStorm, @Numberz: You have to explain why, everyone has to do it :P

Zintenka November 20, 2016 at 9:11 PM UTC

Is it too late to vote for Harambr yet?
*Smacks head with a pan*

Yes! Election was a couple of weeks ago you dingus :(

vladthegreat100 November 20, 2016 at 9:11 PM UTC

*Smacks head with a pan*

Yes! Election was a couple of weeks ago you dingus :(
rip.

I'm Canadian tho, so as long as exportation's and importations stay the same, I'll be fine, because America is Canada's main importers and exporters.

Legoche November 20, 2016 at 9:11 PM UTC

I voted for haramb3

Sevoo November 20, 2016 at 9:11 PM UTC

Is it too late to vote for Harambr yet?
pretty sure like 15k people voted for him LOL

shadowolfyt November 20, 2016 at 9:11 PM UTC

I'm Aussie and I would've voted for Harambe probably because I'm Austrailian and the election doesn't effect me.

Crimson_Aught November 20, 2016 at 10:11 PM UTC

For Putin, if he gonna be a president again :D the forth time :DDD No alternative ;-;

Zintenka November 20, 2016 at 10:11 PM UTC

Everyone's forgetting the WHY... part.

WHY are you voting for your candidate. Don't tell me that you're just voting for the one who looks the best :(

SnowSX3 November 20, 2016 at 10:11 PM UTC

If I was American I wouldn't have voted.
No-one trusts Hillary to lead a country and Trump's fucked in the head.

One is a wealthy, corrupt, businessman.
The other is a wealthy, corrupt, politician.

It was a lose-lose scenario. gg america

ImRaging November 20, 2016 at 10:11 PM UTC

i voted for pusyidone because i want dictatorship

vladthegreat100 November 20, 2016 at 10:11 PM UTC

i voted for pusyidone because i want dictatorship
pusyidone sounds like a great candidate!

Lead me to the ballets and I'll vote!

Zintenka November 20, 2016 at 10:11 PM UTC

If I was American I wouldn't have voted.
No-one trusts Hillary to lead a country and Trump's fucked in the head.

One is a wealthy, corrupt, businessman.
The other is a wealthy, corrupt, politician.

It was a lose-lose scenario. gg america
I considered this possibility but my family said that I have to vote otherwise I wouldn't be doing my civic duty and I'd be one of the reasons why all the bad things happen in America.

And I can understand their reasoning. People who decided not to vote for president could've voted for senators and congressmen that would repeal bills that would've made millions suffer and pass bills that would pursue scientific research and help those who are suffering.

These decisions are paramount if you want to have people who you want to vote for bills that will end wars or bring about economic change as well as social change.

And remember, make sure that it's GOOD CHANGE. Not just CHANGE as some Trump supporters want.

I also don't get people who say "It doesn't matter who your president is, it's not that serious". Considering that the president is the one who is the commander in chief of the MILITARY and has a lot of power... I feel that people like this don't really know what they're talking about.

Remember the War on Drugs and how much it effected a lot of demographics and increased drug related violence by OVER 9000%? We wouldn't have such a big problem with illegal immigration if we didn't criminalize drugs and cause a civil war in Mexico with the Government and the Cartels.

People escape to America to run from the violence. Just look at the images of some of the horrors down there... Hell, I'd run across the border MYSELF if I were them.

And it's low information voters, short-sighted voters and voters who don't take this seriously that eventually allow people who make or support these laws into power.

TheMasterClock November 20, 2016 at 10:11 PM UTC

jill stein bc i met her in atlanta and she lit asf

SnowSX3 November 20, 2016 at 11:11 PM UTC

I considered this possibility but my family said that I have to vote otherwise I wouldn't be doing my civic duty and I'd be one of the reasons why all the bad things happen in America.

And I can understand their reasoning. People who decided not to vote for president could've voted for senators and congressmen that would repeal bills that would've made millions suffer and pass bills that would pursue scientific research and help those who are suffering.

These decisions are paramount if you want to have people who you want to vote for bills that will end wars or bring about economic change as well as social change.

And remember, make sure that it's GOOD CHANGE. Not just CHANGE as some Trump supporters want.

I also don't get people who say "It doesn't matter who your president is, it's not that serious". Considering that the president is the one who is the commander in chief of the MILITARY and has a lot of power... I feel that people like this don't really know what they're talking about.

Remember the War on Drugs and how much it effected a lot of demographics and increased drug related violence by OVER 9000%? We wouldn't have such a big problem with illegal immigration if we didn't criminalize drugs and cause a civil war in Mexico with the Government and the Cartels.

People escape to America to run from the violence. Just look at the images of some of the horrors down there... Hell, I'd run across the border MYSELF if I were them.

And it's low information voters, short-sighted voters and voters who don't take this seriously that eventually allow people who make or support these laws into power.
Your family saying that you'd be one of the reasons why all bad things happen in America if you don't vote is a horrifying thing to read.

Everyone has the right to vote, but everyone also has the right not to vote.

Saying stuff like that to people who may not want to vote is very selfish and pretty stupid imo.

BoldAndBrash November 20, 2016 at 11:11 PM UTC

I personally don't like either of them nor can I vote, but wouldn't it be a good thing if undocumented immigrants are being deported? They are not here legally and aren't paying taxes. They're just taking up jobs and homes that could belong to people that are here legally.

Zintenka November 20, 2016 at 11:11 PM UTC

I personally don't like either of them nor can I vote, but wouldn't it be a good thing if undocumented immigrants are being deported? They are not here legally and aren't paying taxes. They're just taking up jobs and homes that could belong to people that are here legally.
I agree with this, but the moral outcome is too great. It would be better if we made the immigration system much less of a hassle, ended the War on Drugs (Which directly caused all of this mess), and make sure companies do not ignore American citizens who are qualified over Illegals who may be qualified as well.

Outright deportation is just... ugh. Bad. I'd better recommend keeping a close eye on illegals and making sure citizens and legals are put first over illegals.

Zintenka November 20, 2016 at 11:11 PM UTC

jill stein bc i met her in atlanta and she lit asf
If she better advertised herself like Bernie then yes. So much yes.

Zintenka November 20, 2016 at 11:11 PM UTC

Your family saying that you'd be one of the reasons why all bad things happen in America if you don't vote is a horrifying thing to read.

Everyone has the right to vote, but everyone also has the right not to vote.

Saying stuff like that to people who may not want to vote is very selfish and pretty stupid imo.
It is pretty awful but it's true when the system of government is a Democracy. Just think about it... if you didn't vote and you just watched while you let say... Hitler become President over Mussolini... you did a country a disservice while a dictator comes along and does what he basically does.

It's awful to say but it's true... unfortunately.

In Athens, if someone didn't go vote on things then if guards saw you they'd come along and whip you with red painted whips to show everyone that you didn't vote.

If everyone banded together and decided not to vote then the country would quickly collapse. It's a preference but I feel that it should be mandatory.

If to avoid situations such as this... and ABOLISH THE DAMN EC!

SnowSX3 November 20, 2016 at 11:11 PM UTC

It is pretty awful but it's true when the system of government is a Democracy. Just think about it... if you didn't vote and you just watched while you let say... Hitler become President over Mussolini... you did a country a disservice while a dictator comes along and does what he basically does.

It's awful to say but it's true... unfortunately.

In Athens, if someone didn't go vote on things then if guards saw you they'd come along and whip you with red painted whips to show everyone that you didn't vote.

If everyone banded together and decided not to vote then the country would quickly collapse. It's a preference but I feel that it should be mandatory.

If to avoid situations such as this... and ABOLISH THE DAMN EC!
Hitler pumped propaganda into Germany's ears. For the majority of them, when Hitler first got elected, they saw it as a good thing because they had no idea what was to follow.

We're also not in a time where you would get whipped for not voting. 

And I'm not saying that if massive groups of people were not to vote that no consequences would come of it.

I'm just saying if you chose not to vote, that it's ok. You're not doing a disservice to your country.
If you were, then voting would be mandatory.

profbananaslug November 21, 2016 at 12:11 AM UTC

It is pretty awful but it's true when the system of government is a Democracy. Just think about it... if you didn't vote and you just watched while you let say... Hitler become President over Mussolini... you did a country a disservice while a dictator comes along and does what he basically does.

It's awful to say but it's true... unfortunately.

In Athens, if someone didn't go vote on things then if guards saw you they'd come along and whip you with red painted whips to show everyone that you didn't vote.

If everyone banded together and decided not to vote then the country would quickly collapse. It's a preference but I feel that it should be mandatory.

If to avoid situations such as this... and ABOLISH THE DAMN EC!

Zintenka November 21, 2016 at 12:11 AM UTC

#1: Me and Snow aren't in argument.

#2: Me and Snow are friends.

#3: That law is stupid because the analogy sort of fits. Hillary and Trump were seen as two evils and Hitler and Mussolini are evil men. it's just that Hitler was much more evil.

#4: By using this Law as a response you are trying to steer the conversation off flow and purposely throw it off... so I'm kindly asking you to mind your own business please.

Juanooo November 21, 2016 at 12:11 AM UTC

mfw someone makes a post about presidential elections on a minecraft forum full of 12 year olds

PosteGamer November 21, 2016 at 12:11 AM UTC

Yo vote a Macri porque pensaba que un cambio SI era posible

Zintenka November 21, 2016 at 12:11 AM UTC

mfw someone makes a post about presidential elections on a minecraft forum full of 12 year olds
mfw someone tries to be funny by stating something that is obviously not funny.

Glitchaye November 21, 2016 at 1:11 AM UTC

mfw someone tries to be funny by stating something that is obviously not funny.
but hes right you know, i doubt lots of users here really fully grasp what both parties want.

Zintenka November 21, 2016 at 2:11 AM UTC

but hes right you know, i doubt lots of users here really fully grasp what both parties want.
From what I've seen, some of them do. 

And if they're of age and they really don't know who they're voting for then that's such a damn shame tbh...

Juanooo November 21, 2016 at 2:11 AM UTC

From what I've seen, some of them do. 

And if they're of age and they really don't know who they're voting for then that's such a damn shame tbh...
never intended it to be funny, was just stating the truth

profbananaslug November 21, 2016 at 2:11 AM UTC

#1: Me and Snow aren't in argument.

#2: Me and Snow are friends.

#3: That law is stupid because the analogy sort of fits. Hillary and Trump were seen as two evils and Hitler and Mussolini are evil men. it's just that Hitler was much more evil.

#4: By using this Law as a response you are trying to steer the conversation off flow and purposely throw it off... so I'm kindly asking you to mind your own business please.
i dunno, it just seemed like you two were arguing about whether or not people should vote. i suppose you'd probably prefer to call it something a little gentler like a debate, but either way there's no "debating" that you were involved in a discourse involving two opposing viewpoints. 

your whole "analogy" is also pretty bizarre and ill-fitting for the situation, and frankly doesn't make much sense. hitler and mussolini were both fascists, so no matter who anyone voted for a "... a dictator comes along and does what he basically does." in fact, now that i look at it, what you said may in fact support snow's point because whether you vote or not, a fascist dictator is going to get into office, so why vote? also, in what election would two candidates from the same party be running against each other? was it an 1860 us presidential election deal-io?

anyhow, all this leads me to believe that you only used the "analogy" so you could say trump is hitler, in which case i feel perfectly justified bring up godwin's law because it was created to combat ludicrous comparisons such as the one you made.

Zintenka November 21, 2016 at 2:11 AM UTC

i dunno, it just seemed like you two were arguing about whether or not people should vote. i suppose you'd probably prefer to call it something a little gentler like a debate, but either way there's no "debating" that you were involved in a discourse involving two opposing viewpoints. 

your whole "analogy" is also pretty bizarre and ill-fitting for the situation, and frankly doesn't make much sense. hitler and mussolini were both fascists, so no matter who anyone voted for a "... a dictator comes along and does what he basically does." in fact, now that i look at it, what you said may in fact support snow's point because whether you vote or not, a fascist dictator is going to get into office, so why vote? also, in what election would two candidates from the same party be running against each other? was it an 1860 us presidential election deal-io?

anyhow, all this leads me to believe that you only used the "analogy" so you could say trump is hitler, in which case i feel perfectly justified bring up godwin's law because it was created to combat ludicrous comparisons such as the one you made.
The analogy fits because if you look at their history, their backgrounds and their policies...

They're really similar. They've both flip-flopped on issues (Glad Trump abandoned the Wall idea), they've both been involved with various scandals and many other similarities.

Just that social wise, Hillary never stated that she'd interrogate and/or kill the families of suspected or known terrorists.

I am horrified with what Trump will do with Habeus Corpus...

profbananaslug November 21, 2016 at 3:11 AM UTC

The analogy fits because if you look at their history, their backgrounds and their policies...

They're really similar. They've both flip-flopped on issues (Glad Trump abandoned the Wall idea), they've both been involved with various scandals and many other similarities.

Just that social wise, Hillary never stated that she'd interrogate and/or kill the families of suspected or known terrorists.

I am horrified with what Trump will do with Habeus Corpus...
1. flip-flopped on issues
2. involved in scandals

these two descriptors can be applied to almost every politician

MasterProX November 21, 2016 at 3:11 AM UTC

From what I've seen, some of them do. 

And if they're of age and they really don't know who they're voting for then that's such a damn shame tbh...
"People who (a) are actively involved in the Avicus community, (b) live in the United States, (c) are eligible/registered voters, (d) are politically knowledgeable enough to cast informed votes, and (e) have the resources, interest, and/or motivation to actually participate in presidential elections" is an extremely narrow demographic that comprises hardly anyone among those who still frequent this website.

I voted for Hillary not necessarily because I support her — or any of her actions, or policies, or the corruption she sows — but because I don't despise her as much as Trump; and, while Trump may perhaps be more representative of the modern American populace in his sleaze, general animosity, and inability to reason rationally, I disagree with virtually everything he stands for. I acknowledge the decision not to vote as a political message, though not as a valid option because, although the people have the choice not to select a candidate, the government doesn't.

SnowSX3 November 21, 2016 at 4:11 AM UTC

i dunno, it just seemed like you two were arguing about whether or not people should vote. i suppose you'd probably prefer to call it something a little gentler like a debate, but either way there's no "debating" that you were involved in a discourse involving two opposing viewpoints. 

your whole "analogy" is also pretty bizarre and ill-fitting for the situation, and frankly doesn't make much sense. hitler and mussolini were both fascists, so no matter who anyone voted for a "... a dictator comes along and does what he basically does." in fact, now that i look at it, what you said may in fact support snow's point because whether you vote or not, a fascist dictator is going to get into office, so why vote? also, in what election would two candidates from the same party be running against each other? was it an 1860 us presidential election deal-io?

anyhow, all this leads me to believe that you only used the "analogy" so you could say trump is hitler, in which case i feel perfectly justified bring up godwin's law because it was created to combat ludicrous comparisons such as the one you made.
lol calm down mate we were just talking xD

flyofff November 21, 2016 at 4:11 AM UTC

Hillary of course. She's not the best but still better than trump. Why would I support someone who doesn't even act like a president?

DaFrozenBlaze November 21, 2016 at 4:11 AM UTC

bernie sanders

Murphh November 21, 2016 at 3:11 PM UTC

I voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary, but he lost, so I voted for Hillary in the main election. For me, this wasn't even a choice. I vote for party (Democrat) because their politics align closer to my values.  I wish our country could get on board with a true multi-party system (more than 2 dominating), but that seems unlikely in the near future. I am more left-leaning by nature and would have voted for a different party/candidate if that seemed viable. Both Jill Stein and Gary Johnson were not viable candidates in my opinion.

Moving forward, this presidency could really put the 'checks and balances' of our legislative, judicial, and executive branches to the test. The topics that I am concerned personally about are education, health care, gun policy, treatment of minorities (non-white male), foreign policy, and supreme court appointments. I know that 'actions speak louder than words', but some of his words were really un-American and nothing that I believe in.

Zintenka November 22, 2016 at 2:11 AM UTC

I voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary, but he lost, so I voted for Hillary in the main election. For me, this wasn't even a choice. I vote for party (Democrat) because their politics align closer to my values.  I wish our country could get on board with a true multi-party system (more than 2 dominating), but that seems unlikely in the near future. I am more left-leaning by nature and would have voted for a different party/candidate if that seemed viable. Both Jill Stein and Gary Johnson were not viable candidates in my opinion.

Moving forward, this presidency could really put the 'checks and balances' of our legislative, judicial, and executive branches to the test. The topics that I am concerned personally about are education, health care, gun policy, treatment of minorities (non-white male), foreign policy, and supreme court appointments. I know that 'actions speak louder than words', but some of his words were really un-American and nothing that I believe in.
Nice detailed reasoning of why you're voting for your candidate; point express clearly.

+1

DaFrozenBlaze November 22, 2016 at 7:11 AM UTC

Nice detailed reasoning of why you're voting for your candidate; point express clearly.

+1
The voting is already over, she actually voted

Zintenka November 23, 2016 at 5:11 AM UTC

The voting is already over, she actually voted
*Fingers wriggle in a strangling motion*

I know! It was just a mess up in grammar! Leave me alone! :(

AtditC November 23, 2016 at 11:11 AM UTC

Hillary of course. She's not the best but still better than trump. Why would I support someone who doesn't even act like a president?
Because Hillary is a corrupt liar?

flyofff November 23, 2016 at 1:11 PM UTC

Because Hillary is a corrupt liar?
Well, I've never said that she's completely true. But better than Trump. All he says is '' I've money, I'm rich. I'm very very rich. So I can make America great again. '' World got sad when Trump won

AtditC November 23, 2016 at 1:11 PM UTC

Well, I've never said that she's completely true. But better than Trump. All he says is '' I've money, I'm rich. I'm very very rich. So I can make America great again. '' World got sad when Trump won
"World got sad when Trump won"

Maybe the part you saw.

XtraMajestical November 23, 2016 at 8:11 PM UTC

I feel that Hilary Clinton was very discrete and i felt due to emails etc she would break certain rules maybe or just be slightly corrupt. Trump.. at-least he is honest about his opinions and we know what to prepare for and expect, despite he is crazy. But overall i wouldn't vote because they are both kinda crazy

Junr November 23, 2016 at 9:11 PM UTC

"World got sad when Trump won"

Maybe the part you saw.
Some Californians got T R I G G E R E D, about Trump's victory.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/calexit-explainer-california-plans-to-secede-20...

He's splitting the country up more than previous Presidents did, which is not good.....

vladthegreat100 November 24, 2016 at 1:11 AM UTC

I feel that Hilary Clinton was very discrete and i felt due to emails etc she would break certain rules maybe or just be slightly corrupt. Trump.. at-least he is honest about his opinions and we know what to prepare for and expect, despite he is crazy. But overall i wouldn't vote because they are both kinda crazy
Donald Trump isn't honest in his opinions at all and you cannot really prepare and expect for what he said.
Here is a list of the Campaign promises he made that Americans would have had to prepare and expect that Trump backed away from:

http://globalnews.ca/news/3083926/donald-trump-broken-campaign-promises-so-far/
 
Don't forget that full wall on the Mexican border is now going majority double fence, minority wall in certain areas.

AtditC November 24, 2016 at 11:11 AM UTC

Some Californians got T R I G G E R E D, about Trump's victory.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/calexit-explainer-california-plans-to-secede-20...

He's splitting the country up more than previous Presidents did, which is not good.....
We'll have a north and a south usa again!

flyofff November 24, 2016 at 7:11 PM UTC

"World got sad when Trump won"

Maybe the part you saw.
The part that I see is the part which is most. As you support trump, what are the things that you like about him?

Myworld6 November 24, 2016 at 9:11 PM UTC

The part that I see is the part which is most. As you support trump, what are the things that you like about him?
https://youtu.be/I5sGBSGInUg.

flyofff November 25, 2016 at 10:11 AM UTC

Whats the reason of trumps wall love?

Myworld6 November 25, 2016 at 3:11 PM UTC

Whats the reason of trumps wall love?
When he was younger, his best friend was the school wall. One day, he came back for his final lesson and found that the wall was being knocked down. Ever since that traumatic day, he's been trying to resurrect his best friend.

flyofff November 26, 2016 at 5:11 AM UTC

When he was younger, his best friend was the school wall. One day, he came back for his final lesson and found that the wall was being knocked down. Ever since that traumatic day, he's been trying to resurrect his best friend.
Now I understand trumps supporters...