Stop complaining about EULA. by FazeOfKnight1 July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
So now I hear everywhere: "EULA'S GONNA MAKE MINECRAFT BAD!1!!!"No. Come on.
All it'll change is the amount of donators. Sure, some servers might crash and burn, but not us. Not most servers. How's it gonna change Avicus? Maybe I can finally use Freezer? Maybe I can finally get some VIP kits?
Look at it from the bright side! Imagine finally getting on Hypixel; and actually winning a HG because some donator idiot doesn't get a horse no more. Imagine getting on Badlion! You can have unlimited ranked matches! Imagine getting on mchg- where you can finally use Kangaroo! Imagine the possibilities. EULA,from my opinion's just gonna make servers more fun- less pay to play and more competitive! It's not like EULA just completely ruined PvP- They didn't ruin any aspect of PvP at all! It's just a change to the rules- nothing else!
EDIT: It also means some spoilt 8 year old can't rek you anymore;)
C'mon guys- cheer up! Be optimists!
Side note: If this is advertising; I will take it down.
Numberz_ July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
EULA Sucks.FazeOfKnight1 July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
EULA Sucks.
JorgeMC July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
That's a really good point never the looked at it like that but this will make it better for the gamers but still the standard of a server might go down. But really good thought.FazeOfKnight1 July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
That's a really good point never the looked at it like that but this will make it better for the gamers but still the standard of a server might go down. But really good thought.
Numberz_ July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
care to explain? just because you're a donor. it'll be more fair. burn the pay to play servers. :D
FazeOfKnight1 July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
I paid because I like the server and the bonus's now because of EULA I will have wasted money.
If you liked the server; you wouldn't mind EULA.
If you donated for the perks; you would hate EULA.
You said you liked the server, but now you apparently 'wasted money'.
Therefore; one part of your statement suggests you like the server; and the other completely disagrees.
Make up your mind.
Numberz_ July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
Your reply doesn't make sense.
If you liked the server; you wouldn't mind EULA.
If you donated for the perks; you would hate EULA.
You said you liked the server, but now you apparently 'wasted money'.
Therefore; one part of your statement suggests you like the server; and the other completely disagrees.
Make up your mind.
fazer153 July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
Yeah but we might have to pay to get on servers after the EULA which just sucks...JorgeMC July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
How have you wasted your money if you love the serverand you are helping it to run better it is not a waste of money at all. Unless you don't like the server and your just doing it for the advantages. So your money is not wasted."I paid cause I like the server". Donating to avicus helps them out a ton. Without donations avicus wouldn't be true. It is not a waste at all. You will also have some cool perks,just it will take away the ones that give a disadvantage to normal users.
FazeOfKnight1 July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
Yeah but we might have to pay to get on servers after the EULA which just sucks...
JorgeMC July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
Don't think they ever said that. 0.0FazeOfKnight1 July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
How have you wasted your money if you love the server
and you are helping it to run better it is not a waste of money at all. Unless you don't like the server and your just doing it for the advantages. So your money is not wasted."I paid cause I like the server". Donating to avicus helps them out a ton. Without donations avicus wouldn't be true. It is not a waste at all. You will also have some cool perks,just it will take away the ones that give a disadvantage to normal users.
Numberz_ July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
wait, when did eula say we have to pay on get on a server? o.O
fazer153 July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
wait, when did eula say we have to pay on get on a server? o.O
FazeOfKnight1 July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
It does that's why I don't like it I would have to pay again. -.-
FazeOfKnight1 July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
It's just one of the ways to get paid after the EULA, i'm not saying we will have to, but we might :/
_DC July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
I see the EULA as mojang turning into a money wh---ing monster. I liked the little community with the nice owner Notch a couple of years ago. Now without Notch and Grumm mojang just care about money I feel.FazeOfKnight1 July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
I see the EULA as mojang turning into a money wh---ing monster. I liked the little community with the nice owner Notch a couple of years ago. Now without Notch and Grumm mojang just care about money I feel.
_DC July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
yeah :/Can I charge for access to my server?
Yes. How players join a server is up to you. Single entrance fees or subscriptions are both allowed.
FazeOfKnight1 July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
yeah :/
Can I charge for access to my server?
Yes. How players join a server is up to you. Single entrance fees or subscriptions are both allowed.
JorgeMC July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
Guys I don't think mojang is trying to ruin the game and force us to pay they are just trying to even it out for the non donorsso they stay and have fun and not getting beaten by guys in op stuff cause of there ranks. They are just trying to make everyone equal.
Numberz_ July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
Guys I don't think mojang is trying to ruin the game and force us to pay they are just trying to even it out for the non donors
so they stay and have fun and not getting beaten by guys in op stuff cause of there ranks. They are just trying to make everyone equal.
MajestysDream July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
How about you donate Emerald or Diamond, then we will see your thoughts on EULA.Numberz_ July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
How about you donate Emerald or Diamond, then we will see your thoughts on EULA.
FazeOfKnight1 July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
How about you donate Emerald or Diamond, then we will see your thoughts on EULA.
Numberz_ July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
Actually; I paid 25 dollars for OCN; I'm fine with that. My thoughts are fine. I'm a nice guy. If it's even, it's good.
FazeOfKnight1 July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
How about you donate Emerald or Diamond, then we will see your thoughts on EULA.
FazeOfKnight1 July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
Then complain about it on OCN then.
1Theodore1 July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
Guys, please stay on-topic and don't start any flame wars.Numberz_ July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
Did I say I would complain? Jeez, people nowadays. Actually, kids.
Numberz_ July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
Guys, please stay on-topic and don't start any flame wars.
MajestysDream July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
Also, if you donated for the perks; I'm sorry, but you're not supporting the server. I can't do anything about that.I am still supporting the server if I donated just for the perks, because the money I donated is being used to run the server, which to me, is supporting the server. However, I did donate because I wasted to help out the server.
FazeOfKnight1 July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
"I paid 25 dollars for OCN" Go back then.
FazeOfKnight1 July 6, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
Also, if you donated for the perks; I'm sorry, but you're not supporting the server. I can't do anything about that.
I am still supporting the server if I donated just for the perks, because the money I donated is being used to run the server, which to me, is supporting the server. However, I did donate because I wasted to help out the server.
Numberz_ July 6, 2014 at 8:07 AM UTC
I would have plenty to argue back with; but I respect Theo and the rules.
MajestysDream July 6, 2014 at 8:07 AM UTC
It's alright to express your mind. But alright. Let's stop before this gets out of hand.FazeOfKnight1 July 6, 2014 at 8:07 AM UTC
Ok sorry if that was rude. But I DON'T LIKE EULA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FazeOfKnight1 July 6, 2014 at 8:07 AM UTC
It's alright to express your mind. But alright. Let's stop before this gets out of hand.
Numberz_ July 6, 2014 at 8:07 AM UTC
Aha it's fine; I still respect you as a nice guy. You just don't like the money wh*ring company:) The whole point of this was to make people be optimists about stuff
ViolentBoo July 6, 2014 at 8:07 AM UTC
This is why Eula suckshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNdXHLzU4zA
FazeOfKnight1 July 6, 2014 at 8:07 AM UTC
Mojang is ruining their own creation.
ViolentBoo July 6, 2014 at 8:07 AM UTC
This is why Eula suckshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNdXHLzU4zA
dodgerXyz July 6, 2014 at 8:07 AM UTC
Donations are what keep servers running, without donations a server will die. Its not like IvyCode has unlimited money. Most donations he gets are put back into the server. Fhe EULA is making it so most servers that rely on donatins will stop.FazeOfKnight1 July 6, 2014 at 8:07 AM UTC
Donations are what keep servers running, without donations a server will die. Its not like IvyCode has unlimited money. Most donations he gets are put back into the server. Fhe EULA is making it so most servers that rely on donatins will stop.
Howsie July 6, 2014 at 9:07 AM UTC
'Look at it from the bright side! Imagine finally getting on Hypixel; and actually winning a HG because some donator idiot doesn't get a horse no more. Imagine getting on Badlion! You can have unlimited ranked matches! Imagine getting on mchg- where you can finally use Kangaroo! Imagine the possibilities.'Imagine not going on any of those servers because they wont be able to pay for their servers.
ChaoticTacticHD July 6, 2014 at 9:07 AM UTC
You see... Not everyone has money to spend online. Many people only have enough money to keep them just in middle class.. Let alone spend on minecraft servers.I say to take down pay to play as it is probobly causing kids to beg and stress out their parents so that they can just play a single video game..
I agree with FazeOfKnight1, burn pay to play!!!
ChaoticTacticHD July 6, 2014 at 9:07 AM UTC
'Look at it from the bright side! Imagine finally getting on Hypixel; and actually winning a HG because some donator idiot doesn't get a horse no more. Imagine getting on Badlion! You can have unlimited ranked matches! Imagine getting on mchg- where you can finally use Kangaroo! Imagine the possibilities.'
Imagine not going on any of those servers because they wont be able to pay for their servers.
NOT everyone has money to spend on servers, and if some server has pay to play...
No ones gonna play on it cos they are probably earning in surplus! Also, just give people who donate money to a minecraft server more perks. To encourage others to donate money.. JEEZ!
Numberz_ July 6, 2014 at 9:07 AM UTC
If you want to play you are going to pay.ImJeezus July 6, 2014 at 9:07 AM UTC
I hate people who just donate for perks. And not for the servers to keep alive. Thats thepoint of donating.FazeOfKnight1 July 6, 2014 at 9:07 AM UTC
I hate people who just donate for perks. And not for the servers to keep alive. Thats thepoint of donating.
FazeOfKnight1 July 6, 2014 at 9:07 AM UTC
'Look at it from the bright side! Imagine finally getting on Hypixel; and actually winning a HG because some donator idiot doesn't get a horse no more. Imagine getting on Badlion! You can have unlimited ranked matches! Imagine getting on mchg- where you can finally use Kangaroo! Imagine the possibilities.'
Imagine not going on any of those servers because they wont be able to pay for their servers.
_BillGates July 6, 2014 at 10:07 AM UTC
EULA is good and bad in some aspects what I think mojang should do is to control the "donations" like HyPixel WTF 125 dolars for a fucking rank!MLGtino July 6, 2014 at 11:07 AM UTC
Im gonna repeat what that one Youtuber (Boogie whatever the hell numbers) said.What this really depended on was how Mojang's took action. They had the option of a surgical approach that would ultimately keep servers up with reasonable donation prices and ideas and shut down servers that could end up "scamming" you of your money.
But no, you have to just shut down all of the servers.
"WHAT ABOUT ME?! THINK ABOUT THE PLAYER!!!!!" ~Francis
MLGtino July 6, 2014 at 11:07 AM UTC
This is why Eula sucks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNdXHLzU4zA
ohiamawesome July 6, 2014 at 11:07 AM UTC
Well, there are good sides and bad sides to the EULA. First of all what Faze mentioned was correct, but then how do the servers earn money? They'll have to close down eventually. But, on the other side, it makes the server more fun. From "Pay to win" to "Play to win"! ;)ParthDarthVader July 6, 2014 at 12:07 PM UTC
Well guys think about it...If the donator ranks go down, then technically buycraft will also have to too. If buycraft doesn't wanna get sued (or something like that) then they will give us ALL out money back.
Jasshan July 6, 2014 at 12:07 PM UTC
Honestly,I think their doing this to promote Minecraft realms.Cause even though creating a mc server is simple most ppl cant do it.With EULA most servers will go down and ppl with money to spend and cant make their own server will just use realms.NewVoltdrive July 6, 2014 at 1:07 PM UTC
Actually, you can get third-party companies to pay the server for in-game advertising. Not sure how effective that would be though.TheMasterClock July 6, 2014 at 1:07 PM UTC
Servers would be dead because Server Owners would need donations so they can keep the server running. After EULA Changes, people get nothing for donating which then nobody would even donate at all because they don't get anything back. After that the servers will be dead. So I really don't like what the Eula is going to do. :(goldenwalrus909 July 6, 2014 at 2:07 PM UTC
I actually totally agree! :DThis will make everything a lot more fair and fun for everyone, even those who don't have enough money to spend it on Minecraft. Although some servers might die, I'm sure it's for the best (:
kycrafft July 6, 2014 at 2:07 PM UTC
I actually totally agree! :D
This will make everything a lot more fair and fun for everyone, even those who don't have enough money to spend it on Minecraft. Although some servers might die, I'm sure it's for the best (:
the hell are any servers going get enough donations anyways now? They might become pay2play which is stupider than pay2win.
FazeOfKnight1 July 6, 2014 at 2:07 PM UTC
No Avicus...noooooooooo
the hell are any servers going get enough donations anyways now? They might become pay2play which is stupider than pay2win.
KooDaLord July 6, 2014 at 3:07 PM UTC
This does mean LOTS of big servers will go down. People buy ranks for in game perks, not much cosmetically. Now people will not be donating as much, meaning servers will lose money and close. I own a network, and we are dealing with the EULA now, and it's really a pain.Pinkyice003 July 6, 2014 at 3:07 PM UTC
I agree I hate the new EULA. Mojang is just getting plain greedy. And because of that a lot of servers are gonna shut down due to not enough donations.goldenwalrus909 July 6, 2014 at 4:07 PM UTC
I see your point, but I'm sure if this becomes a problem when the new EULA comes out, Mojang will fix it..Like, if tons of big servers go down because they can't get enough money, then Mojang will address and fix the issue or just make the EULA tell people that donations with perks are allowed.
Personally, I don't think it's that big of a deal because if Mojang realizes that Minecraft is starting so suck, they'll fix it.
_Gill July 6, 2014 at 6:07 PM UTC
Haha. This post is funny in my opinion. The fact that you think the EULA change is a good thing because no one will have perks is an interesting idea. It is good for players who are not allowed to donate or are not willing to donate in the short term, but in the long term when servers start closing, you will be screwed. Let me bring these arguments up to prove to you how flawed your concept is.A) Would you ever donate to a game server for absurdly nothing?
B) How do you expect any server to run with 0 income to actually maintain the server? Servers can cost up to thousands of dollars a month.
C) Would you prefer to have servers like Avicus where donators have a small xp boost, or would you rather pay to get into the server?
These are just a few thoughts i had, i literally came up with this topic in less than 2 minutes.
Now, in my opinion and from what I've heard and seen about the EULA enforcement is that you will not be able to donate for any advantages in-game. You can only get purely cosmetic items (besides capes). I can guarantee no large server network can support their own servers (thousands of dollars) with extremely few donations. This will lead to more servers closing down, and the quality of minecraft in general decreasing.
These are just my views on this topic.
Penguin102002 July 6, 2014 at 6:07 PM UTC
what the heck is happening!!!TheOpAmerican July 6, 2014 at 6:07 PM UTC
Avicus (or any large server in general) needs those spoiled rich kids who rek you with their OP donor stuff o-oImJeezus July 6, 2014 at 10:07 PM UTC
Im tired of this.To people complaining about the EULA. Grow up.
Im tired of people just going ape shit because the EULA is going to "ruin" minecraft. 1st the game can't die due to the fact of how much sales it gets a day. 1 Sale = 27 bucks. Over 15 million sales = $4042500.00. Do you think a game can die off due to one god damn update? No. I understand a lot of servers are going to shut down but, take a chill pill. It's not the end of the world, if you hate the new mc, just buy or find another game on Steam or the internet to play. There probably will be some servers to play also, like it was a long time ago in minecraft. Just grow up and take it.
ImJeezus July 6, 2014 at 10:07 PM UTC
No Avicus...noooooooooo
the hell are any servers going get enough donations anyways now? They might become pay2play which is stupider than pay2win.
And I rather not get destroyed by 12 year olds who have allowed use to a credit card to waste all their god damn parent's money for a video game, like a membership of Club Penguin.
MajestysDream July 6, 2014 at 11:07 PM UTC
Stop complaining about all the donors getting all their donor perks. Life is not fair..FazeOfKnight1 July 7, 2014 at 12:07 AM UTC
Heh; discuss. If there's any flames, I'll close it.Y0urm0m1 July 7, 2014 at 12:07 AM UTC
Okay first off, here are 2 links to clear things up about the EULA. Read it carfully.https://mojang.com/2014/06/lets-talk-server-monetisation/
https://mojang.com/2014/06/lets-talk-server-monetisation-the-follow-up-qa/
The EULA is actually GOOD because it avoids those pay2win servers. They did this to prevent scamming in minecraft. I have been on a server where you pay 500 us dollars for a god rank which allowes you to do almost anything. That server was so corrupt. The EULA bascialy says that you cannot make players pay real money for in game gameplay advantage's. The 2 link will explain it.
For those of you who say it ruins Avicus?
The EULA allows donating. It just won't allow xp boosts, grenades, stuff like that. Read in the links above. Stop complaining that you wont get your perks or something. You DONATED because you wanted to help the server, not to get some dumb perks. REEMEMBER THAT. I mean, isn't it ridiculous that a child or teen will pay like 50-100 bucks, on some gameplay advantages? Seems like a scam. Like i said, the EULA is good because it prevent's scamming. So whoever is complaining about donor perks being removed stop whining about your perks donators because you only donated to help the server
TheOpAmerican July 7, 2014 at 1:07 AM UTC
Is choosing your team against the eula o-oImJeezus July 7, 2014 at 1:07 AM UTC
Is choosing your team against the eula o-o
Numberz_ July 7, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
You people don't get it THE SERVER IS GOING TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!PieZ July 7, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
the amount of lack of knowledge is funny.mojang did it for a reason that isn't for money. Actully you would be surpised on how flexable they are with stuff. this had to happen as people were easilly getting scammed( More to come when I have a computer)
The_Detonator_ July 7, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
Okay first off, here are 2 links to clear things up about the EULA. Read it carfully.
https://mojang.com/2014/06/lets-talk-server-monetisation/
https://mojang.com/2014/06/lets-talk-server-monetisation-the-follow-up-qa/
The EULA is actually GOOD because it avoids those pay2win servers. They did this to prevent scamming in minecraft. I have been on a server where you pay 500 us dollars for a god rank which allowes you to do almost anything. That server was so corrupt. The EULA bascialy says that you cannot make players pay real money for in game gameplay advantage's. The 2 link will explain it.
For those of you who say it ruins Avicus?
The EULA allows donating. It just won't allow xp boosts, grenades, stuff like that. Read in the links above. Stop complaining that you wont get your perks or something. You DONATED because you wanted to help the server, not to get some dumb perks. REEMEMBER THAT. I mean, isn't it ridiculous that a child or teen will pay like 50-100 bucks, on some gameplay advantages? Seems like a scam. Like i said, the EULA is good because it prevent's scamming. So whoever is complaining about donor perks being removed stop whining about your perks donators because you only donated to help the server
Y0urm0m1 July 7, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
Im sorry, who forced you to play on that server and hence, forced you to pay that 500 dollars for a rank?
Ok so i found this HG server with factions and all. You have to pay to be a staff member and if your a superadmin which cost 104 dollars, you can use world edit, fly, gm 1, social spy, spawn ur own stuffz, etc... There was this one guy who paid 500 dollars for op in the server. He was like 12 or 13 if i rememeber.
Cyrus49 July 7, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
care to explain? just because you're a donor. it'll be more fair. burn the pay to play servers. :D
1. HUGE ASS AC SYSTEMS to keep the servers at as specific temp.
2. DDOS protection, it ain't cheap.
3. What's in it for me factor(for the owners) A minecraft server can make a good profit off of donator kits, but not any more.
4. Equipment It's not cheap to replace or power (you electric bill with the ac unit is through the roof.)
Y0urm0m1 July 7, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
You people don't get it THE SERVER IS GOING TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!
Cyrus49 July 7, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
Also ALMOST NOBODY will donate for no perks unless their rolling in cash.FazeOfKnight1 July 7, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
Also ALMOST NOBODY will donate for no perks unless their rolling in cash.
sorry, just had to.
Cyrus49 July 7, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
Haha. This post is funny in my opinion. The fact that you think the EULA change is a good thing because no one will have perks is an interesting idea. It is good for players who are not allowed to donate or are not willing to donate in the short term, but in the long term when servers start closing, you will be screwed. Let me bring these arguments up to prove to you how flawed your concept is.
A) Would you ever donate to a game server for absurdly nothing?
B) How do you expect any server to run with 0 income to actually maintain the server? Servers can cost up to thousands of dollars a month.
C) Would you prefer to have servers like Avicus where donators have a small xp boost, or would you rather pay to get into the server?
These are just a few thoughts i had, i literally came up with this topic in less than 2 minutes.
Now, in my opinion and from what I've heard and seen about the EULA enforcement is that you will not be able to donate for any advantages in-game. You can only get purely cosmetic items (besides capes). I can guarantee no large server network can support their own servers (thousands of dollars) with extremely few donations. This will lead to more servers closing down, and the quality of minecraft in general decreasing.
These are just my views on this topic.
PieZ July 7, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
keeping your fav server alive is a big perk.also it is donating. Not paying for items
The_Detonator_ July 7, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
wot? No no no. You got it all wrong lol xD
Ok so i found this HG server with factions and all. You have to pay to be a staff member and if your a superadmin which cost 104 dollars, you can use world edit, fly, gm 1, social spy, spawn ur own stuffz, etc... There was this one guy who paid 500 dollars for op in the server. He was like 12 or 13 if i rememeber.
Cyrus49 July 7, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
The server ain't gonna die. There could still be perks but Avicus must remove the perks that give an advantage in gameplay. Xp boosts for example and grenades. Hats and pets are fine. I don't see any problem with the EULA. It is actually benefitng minecraft for a change because there are so many pay to win servers. Yes, people can still donate. Just cause some perks are removed, doesn't mean people won't donate anymore. People DONATE because they DONATED their money to help the server, not to get silly perks. So calm down
Y0urm0m1 July 7, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
Also ALMOST NOBODY will donate for no perks unless their rolling in cash.
do·nateˈdōnāt,dōˈnāt/verb
- give (money or goods) for a good cause, for example to a charity.
You don't NEED Perks to donate. You donate because in your heart and mind, you want to support the server by donating. Just cause you donate, doesn't mean you expect and rewards or perks.
Quote from StaticsFalutz
StaticFaultz Replied to 99250's post from June 20, 2014 at 03:57 PMThere is a difference between donating and purchasing. Some people think they're purchasing it so that they can purchase the rank; the "perks" that come along with it. But really, you donate because it is a donation. You want to keep the server running and get the developers to keep developing for it and improving the way the server works.
Y0urm0m1 July 7, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
Well, that's his choice. My point was that no one forced you to play there, and no one forced you to pay there.
PKBeam July 7, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
The server is not going to die, all that happens is that some of the "donators" start whining like the jerks they are, and then leave.Almost every server with "donator" gives them an advantage over other players, usually a huge one. That's unfair to the people who don't want to or can't donate AND to Mojang. Whether you like it or not, people are making money off of someone else's game.
Stop complaining about losing money. For every person who lost cash on this server, there will be at least one more somewhere that got scammed. Be thankful you weren't one of those people.
And I can see some people saying Mojang are doing this for the cash. justification/10
You can't justify hating the EULA by making out Mojang to be money thieves because:
1. Mojang wouldn't even make a cent from implementing this, they'd just stop others from making cash.
2. If they wanted to be jerks/make cash, they'd file a lawsuit for people making money AT ALL from servers, but they aren't.
3. Regardless, it still doesn't justify your hating the EULA.
As a side note, if you'd even thought about what you were doing when you donated, you'd probably figure out that the server is making money off of Mojang's game and you could use some of the common sense you were given and figure out that that's illegal.
carrie_may July 7, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
that's why we hate the EULA cause the owners who bought the realms will pay for like every month or sometimes after 6 months annnnd they can't just pay it all by themselves cause it's gonna be just a waste of money for them. donations are for to keep the server running and also paying for the realms. if EULA affected some big or popular servers, there's a big chance they'll shut down because the owner doesn't have a benefit from it and he/she can't pay all be him/herself. there's more cons than pros in EULA.MajestysDream July 7, 2014 at 3:07 AM UTC
Stop saying specific servers aren't going to die. You don't know that.Kels July 7, 2014 at 3:07 AM UTC
There are pros and cons to the EULA:Pros:
- Stops younger children from stealing credit cards from their own parents and using to buy ranks costing $200 (Example)
- Enforces the "everyone gets shit" rules to alot of servers
- Stops hate emails from parents complaining about losing money worth for a block game
- Every player will be balanced in any aspect of minecraft
- Little things that don't add to gameplay such as pets will still be around for donating
Cons:
- People who own large pay to win servers will lose the chance to gain the money for the server
There are not many cons to this that i could think of (even though my con statement is a broad topic), there sin't much to hate about this EULA. Yes, it's frustrating for people who donated for countless servers to a block game, but there's still tweaking to go around. Besides, the EULA has been around for many years, they just haven't enforced the EULA we're all complaining about. They've been talking about this subject anyway, so don't be bitching about this.
THE_FUSA July 7, 2014 at 3:07 AM UTC
- FINALLY, FAIRNESS IS HERE!!! Ahem.
- You donated to keep the sever RUNNING, not for perks!
- People who actually care and aren't spoiled will still donate and help the servers. This is your chance for redemption. Be one of those people! (Srry if this is considered advert)
Eklip_Z July 7, 2014 at 3:07 AM UTC
Most servers that have over 50,000 registered users (considered popular servers,) have around $5,000 of monthly charge. $5,000 is a lot of money and if the amount of donations drop because the perks aren't as good then that server is bound to be shut down pretty quickly.ParthDarthVader July 7, 2014 at 4:07 AM UTC
I thought they added the "Multiplayer" button for a reason.Titan16 July 7, 2014 at 4:07 AM UTC
I realized something. It seems that most donors that replied said they hated the EULA, and most non-donors said they thought it was a good thing. Guys, its not a bad thing. Taking away perks, who cares? All perks do is give you an unfair advantage in a game, and if you do win I honestly wouldn't call it legit. I paid for Gold on Avicus. But I didn't pay for perks. I paid because I wanted the server to grow and improve, and knowing that I made an impact towards the server growing and improving and watching it become amazing, I'd get the feeling that I helped. Another reason I became a Moderator.ImJeezus July 7, 2014 at 4:07 AM UTC
Most servers that have over 50,000 registered users (considered popular servers,) have around $5,000 of monthly charge. $5,000 is a lot of money and if the amount of donations drop because the perks aren't as good then that server is bound to be shut down pretty quickly.
Yes, hosting a server costs a lot of money, but that does not mean the server is 100% chance of death.
FazeOfKnight1 July 7, 2014 at 4:07 AM UTC
I realized something. It seems that most donors that replied said they hated the EULA, and most non-donors said they thought it was a good thing. Guys, its not a bad thing. Taking away perks, who cares? All perks do is give you an unfair advantage in a game, and if you do win I honestly wouldn't call it legit. I paid for Gold on Avicus. But I didn't pay for perks. I paid because I wanted the server to grow and improve, and knowing that I made an impact towards the server growing and improving and watching it become amazing, I'd get the feeling that I helped. Another reason I became a Moderator.
AndrewJKim July 7, 2014 at 4:07 AM UTC
Well, I hafta disagree with you. :P Players may go like "Huh, it's fine. Not like it's going to effect me that much" but server owners use the donations for their server prices. That is their main way in paying for the servers. Huge servers like this will hardly get any donations from cosmetic items. I have a server (Don't reply asking for ip) and so far, the donations have been used on the server prices, but never on anything else. If I stop getting donations, I will not get enough for the server, and it can shutdown. This is how server owners see of it, but this can be different. Some players donate for the love of it, and some donate just because they want to look better in the cosmetic items. Also, this has happened with the youtube recording minecraft footage stuff things if you didn't know.Titan16 July 7, 2014 at 5:07 AM UTC
Well, I hafta disagree with you. :P Players may go like "Huh, it's fine. Not like it's going to effect me that much" but server owners use the donations for their server prices. That is their main way in paying for the servers. Huge servers like this will hardly get any donations from cosmetic items. I have a server (Don't reply asking for ip) and so far, the donations have been used on the server prices, but never on anything else. If I stop getting donations, I will not get enough for the server, and it can shutdown. This is how server owners see of it, but this can be different. Some players donate for the love of it, and some donate just because they want to look better in the cosmetic items. Also, this has happened with the youtube recording minecraft footage stuff things if you didn't know.
The_Detonator_ July 7, 2014 at 6:07 AM UTC
I realized something. It seems that most donors that replied said they hated the EULA, and most non-donors said they thought it was a good thing. Guys, its not a bad thing. Taking away perks, who cares? All perks do is give you an unfair advantage in a game, and if you do win I honestly wouldn't call it legit. I paid for Gold on Avicus. But I didn't pay for perks. I paid because I wanted the server to grow and improve, and knowing that I made an impact towards the server growing and improving and watching it become amazing, I'd get the feeling that I helped. Another reason I became a Moderator.
PKBeam July 7, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
But Amba, I feel my point still stands as a fairly legit argument, as well as yours. But all they would do is force unfair advantages out of ranks, not take them away completely. They would allow servers for example to have ranks that give you an advantage, but give you a fair disadvantage as well, such as a strength buff but weaker armor in a kit, to keep it fair while still allowing servers to recieve money to stay up and running.
Unless they REALLY like one aspect of a rank/kit, they're not going to bother buying it.
FazeOfKnight1 July 7, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
Not everyone has that mindset. Least of all 9-13 year old kids.
Shoto_ July 7, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
I hate the EULA, but I also hate P2W. Advertisements might be necessary on the website.TotallyTotle July 7, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
I'm not sure if someone has said this but FazeofKnight your not looking at it from a servers perspective, if you have no donor ranks how are you going to keep the server or expand your server. You can't, because it all costs money, like the DDoS protection and actually buying the servers.Shoto_ July 7, 2014 at 8:07 AM UTC
Welcome the Nike advertisements in the hub, the Target advertisements in chat, and the ads in the forums.Aanszo July 7, 2014 at 8:07 AM UTC
Well it sounds like you guys aren't really trying to help Avicus by donating. I donated to help Avicus and get the perks. If the EULA takes away my rank sure I will be pissed, but at least Avicus will still be up and running thanks to the money that we, donors, paid. That's why we are called "Donators", we donate to the server so it can run properly. :PTotallyTotle July 7, 2014 at 9:07 AM UTC
RIP AvicusRIP Minecraft
RIP Loads of peoples jobs
NewVoltdrive July 7, 2014 at 12:07 PM UTC
I'd argue with you guys, but you obviously not getting the point.So when the servers shut down, I'll put in my haha's to whoever said that the EULA was a good thing.
ParthDarthVader July 7, 2014 at 1:07 PM UTC
I'd argue with you guys, but you obviously not getting the point.
So when the servers shut down, I'll put in my haha's to whoever said that the EULA was a good thing.
at the same time, ill be saying my last wishes to minecraft. singleplayer is kinda boring.....thats why they added the "Multiplayer" button in the first place...just in my opinion.
ImJeezus July 7, 2014 at 3:07 PM UTC
I'd argue with you guys, but you obviously not getting the point.
So when the servers shut down, I'll put in my haha's to whoever said that the EULA was a good thing.
PieZ July 7, 2014 at 3:07 PM UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnSx_Zk8A7oBest video I seen on this subject. I would suggest everyone watch it because it goes over both sides of mojang and the community
NewVoltdrive July 7, 2014 at 4:07 PM UTC
If servers shut down, and minecraft is "ruined", boo hoo, find another game on steam or the internet
31778 July 7, 2014 at 4:07 PM UTC
https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/mojang-change-your-eula#shareY0urm0m1 July 7, 2014 at 6:07 PM UTC
Oh my some people aren't getting the point of the EULA. Again 2 links to explain it -.-Okay first off, here are 2 links to clear things up about the EULA. Read it carfully.
https://mojang.com/2014/06/lets-talk-server-monetisation/
https://mojang.com/2014/06/lets-talk-server-monetisation-the-follow-up-qa/
Read them. Mojang DID NOT SAY there would be no more donator ranks. YOU CAN STILL DONATE!!!!!!! It's just that donator ranks cannot have perks that give them an advantage in gameplay. xp boosts for example and kit's that you get from donator ranks give an advantage. Read the 2 links for more clarification.
The server can still runn by donating. If you say "Oh, people ain't going to donate cuz we will have no perks', your just plain dumb. Donating is something you give in order to beenefit the community. you don't expect something in return. Those people who say they need perks to donate, you are being selfish and not thinking about others. That's the whole point of donating, it is so to help the server, not to get sillly perks. So stop complaining people. So what if there is no perks? If i was allowed to donate, i would donate for avicus and ocn. i don't care if there is perks or not because i get because the one perk that matters most: is keeping the server alive up and running and help the server devolp to become more fun
LeCobalt July 7, 2014 at 6:07 PM UTC
EULA will shut down many servers due to the lack of resources to maintain the server. It could stop Avicus if donation were prohibitedY0urm0m1 July 7, 2014 at 6:07 PM UTC
EULA will shut down many servers due to the lack of resources to maintain the server. It could stop Avicus if donation were prohibited
LeCobalt July 7, 2014 at 7:07 PM UTC
read the 2 links i just said.
Y0urm0m1 July 7, 2014 at 7:07 PM UTC
Read what I said again, EULA could shutdown servers IF all donations were to be taken away. The proposed EULA is only to limit donations.
Edit: besides, all servers have until august to comply with the EULA. If avicus complies by taking away the advatage perks, no donations would be taken away
iDiamondPorkchop July 7, 2014 at 7:07 PM UTC
whats EULAThe_Detonator_ July 7, 2014 at 11:07 PM UTC
whats EULA
Basically that little box that you tick when you buy software.
What you buy is a license to the software, you are the end user, meaning that you have no part in the production chain of the product and are the last person that it gets to. And when you download it, you must sign an agreement.
NewVoltdrive July 7, 2014 at 11:07 PM UTC
why would the EULA stop donations? It clearly said it would not stop donations. It just doesn't want servers scamming other people. You are allowed to donate still. Its just that some perks need to be taken away so gameplay can be fair
Edit: besides, all servers have until august to comply with the EULA. If avicus complies by taking away the advatage perks, no donations would be taken away
NuclearDucky July 7, 2014 at 11:07 PM UTC
Stop complaining about people complainging. c:Kels July 8, 2014 at 12:07 AM UTC
You don't get it. People won't donate if all they get are firework trails and pets. They want real benefits.
Y0urm0m1 July 8, 2014 at 12:07 AM UTC
You don't get it. People won't donate if all they get are firework trails and pets. They want real benefits.
Isn't the biggest benefit is the server being alive and able to be devolped more due to donations? Like i said, you donate only because you want to support the server, not to get some perks. That's called purchasing if they want to get perks. In donating, you don't expect something in return. Actually, you do. What you get in return is the server still up and running and able to make more improvements thanks to these donations. Some people on this thread still do not get this concept of "donating". You think that, you donate, you get some perks. YOU DONT. If you donate to a charity, what do you get in return? Nothing but you are helping to support the charity by donating. Stop whining people. You are making a big fuss about the EULA when its actually trying to help avoid pay2win servers and stop minecraft networks from scamming other people. the EULA has always been there and now people are whining cuz its being enforced? That's ridiclous.
I hope you read the 2 links that give clarification about the EULA and i hope people understand the concept of "donating"
ViolentBoo July 8, 2014 at 1:07 AM UTC
I'm gonna be straight about this. I think Donor ranks are fine. I fucking hate pay to win but on this server it's okay. Here's the thing though, if you are thinking, oh people only donate for the perks and not for the server to stay alive, if everyone got the same stuff if you've donated or not, no one would donate then the server would die.Perks keep the server alive, not donations.
Yum_FriedChicken July 8, 2014 at 1:07 AM UTC
Real benefits for donating eyy?
Isn't the biggest benefit is the server being alive and able to be devolped more due to donations? Like i said, you donate only because you want to support the server, not to get some perks. That's called purchasing if they want to get perks. In donating, you don't expect something in return. Actually, you do. What you get in return is the server still up and running and able to make more improvements thanks to these donations. Some people on this thread still do not get this concept of "donating". You think that, you donate, you get some perks. YOU DONT. If you donate to a charity, what do you get in return? Nothing but you are helping to support the charity by donating. Stop whining people. You are making a big fuss about the EULA when its actually trying to help avoid pay2win servers and stop minecraft networks from scamming other people. the EULA has always been there and now people are whining cuz its being enforced? That's ridiclous.
I hope you read the 2 links that give clarification about the EULA and i hope people understand the concept of "donating"
People want to donate just to see the server grow?
Sorry to be blunt and burst your bubble but literally no people donate just to see the server "grow".
I'm not trying to be rude, but I'm being realistic.
Obviously, people should donate to keep the server alive, but in reality, people just donate for the perks.
Yum_FriedChicken July 8, 2014 at 1:07 AM UTC
I'm gonna be straight about this. I think Donor ranks are fine. I fucking hate pay to win but on this server it's okay. Here's the thing though, if you are thinking, oh people only donate for the perks and not for the server to stay alive, if everyone got the same stuff if you've donated or not, no one would donate then the server would die.
Perks keep the server alive, not donations.
Y0urm0m1 July 8, 2014 at 1:07 AM UTC
Is that really what you think?
People want to donate just to see the server grow?
Sorry to be blunt and burst your bubble but literally no people donate just to see the server "grow".
I'm not trying to be rude, but I'm being realistic.
Obviously, people should donate to keep the server alive, but in reality, people just donate for the perks.
then those people are purchasing those perks.
My main point is for people to stop whinging about the EULA. Do you want big servers, scamming and getting moeny from kids? Do you want those dumb pay2win servers? The EULA has always been there. When you got minecraft, YOU signed the EULA. That means you technically agreed to the EULA.
The_Detonator_ July 8, 2014 at 1:07 AM UTC
Obviously, people should donate to keep the server alive, but in reality, people just donate for the perks.
then those people are purchasing those perks.
My main point is for people to stop whinging about the EULA. Do you want big servers, scamming and getting moeny from kids? Do you want those dumb pay2win servers? The EULA has always been there. When you got minecraft, YOU signed the EULA. That means you technically agreed to the EULA.
Kels July 8, 2014 at 1:07 AM UTC
It's not scamming. That would imply that they are not upfront about what they are selling, and possibly misleading. I've never seen a server that does this. Selling a diamond sword for $500 is not scamming. Very few people donate to "keep the server alive", most do it for the perks. And no-one forces anyone to buy $500 ranks, so can you PLEASE stop trying to push the point that there are people scamming kids.
There are definitely people who scam kids in minecraft. It may not be the scam your talking about (even though some servers scam people by forcing them to purchase their "wonderful ranks") but there is definitely scam out there.
To show my point, here are examples of different scams people have done in the past:
Convention Scam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRXXQYJ4hLI
An ingame money scam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eSyfN7JdFk
Now, if this is considered advertisement, I'll remove this part ASAP.
IRL money scam: http://crewniverse.com/forums/index.php?threads/scammed-75-irl-money.15756/
The_Detonator_ July 8, 2014 at 1:07 AM UTC
I definitely agree with most of your post, except for this one line; "so can you PLEASE stop trying to push the point that there are people scamming kids."
There are definitely people who scam kids in minecraft. It may not be the scam your talking about (even though some servers scam people by forcing them to purchase their "wonderful ranks") but there is definitely scam out there.
To show my point, here are examples of different scams people have done in the past:
Convention Scam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRXXQYJ4hLI
An ingame money scam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eSyfN7JdFk
Now, if this is considered advertisement, I'll remove this part ASAP.
IRL money scam: http://crewniverse.com/forums/index.php?threads/scammed-75-irl-money.15756/
NewVoltdrive July 8, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
Donating is the same thing as purchasing in this realm.Cyrus49 July 8, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
PLEASE EXPLAIN how this server will survive only off of donations.gilletteracer74 July 8, 2014 at 12:07 PM UTC
I'd argue with you guys, but you obviously not getting the point.
So when the servers shut down, I'll put in my haha's to whoever said that the EULA was a good thing.
NewVoltdrive July 8, 2014 at 12:07 PM UTC
Re-fricken-tweet. Finally a non donor that understands the full extent of the EULA.
KooDaLord July 8, 2014 at 12:07 PM UTC
A lot of you guys don't seem to understand... The EULA is 100% negative for minecraft networks. Big networks cost LOTS of money to maintain every month. I have a small network and we pay about 100$ a month, now imagine Avicus, actually imagine the Hive :O 99% of players do NOT donate to help the server, they donate for perks, it may not sound nice, but its a fact. When the server doesn't have much to offer for donors, the server doesn't receive as many funds, and has to go down. EULA is not a friendly move from Mojang, to stop pay to win servers, honestly they are being plain greedy. They may have some point to the new EULA, but 90% of it is negative on Minecraft.Kels July 8, 2014 at 3:07 PM UTC
A lot of you guys don't seem to understand... The EULA is 100% negative for minecraft networks. Big networks cost LOTS of money to maintain every month. I have a small network and we pay about 100$ a month, now imagine Avicus, actually imagine the Hive :O 99% of players do NOT donate to help the server, they donate for perks, it may not sound nice, but its a fact. When the server doesn't have much to offer for donors, the server doesn't receive as many funds, and has to go down. EULA is not a friendly move from Mojang, to stop pay to win servers, honestly they are being plain greedy. They may have some point to the new EULA, but 90% of it is negative on Minecraft.
Ok, so I made a strawpoll with about 75% of the donators on hive. Most say that they don't care about perks, they want to have fun on the server. Also, the hive is safe from the EULA because if I recall, there are no perks that will give them an advantage ingame. People will still purchase ranks/perks. Same as OCN. People will still purchase their ranks because the EULA doesn't affect them.
KooDaLord July 8, 2014 at 4:07 PM UTC
I know it's purchasing. It's just the common term now, donating .-.KooDaLord July 8, 2014 at 4:07 PM UTC
None the less, the EULA is purely negative for mine craft servers/networks. I own one so i do know this :cKels July 8, 2014 at 4:07 PM UTC
None the less, the EULA is purely negative for mine craft servers/networks. I own one so i do know this :c
KooDaLord July 8, 2014 at 5:07 PM UTC
I don't give a sheet about perks. I don't have any payed ranks other than avicus Diamond which I bought when it was 20$... I don't care about losing perks. My point is, people like having advantages or perks, thats just how it is. How many people are going to donate for cosmetic things and joining full servers etc? Not nearly as many, people still will, but not as much as before. Servers cost LOADS of money to maintain, and they can't stay up without receiving LOADS or purchases/donations! I personally don't like pay to win, but things like kits, on Akane (my server) each kit would have different items, not more overpowered ones, but different types. These kits were just different style, not better than each other, and donators were able to purchase these kits! Now this isn't really a game changer THAT MUCH, it is but not pay to win, but that isn't allowed in the EULA. Im an experienced server owner, and I know how the EULA affects networks, and it ain't positive...KooDaLord July 8, 2014 at 5:07 PM UTC
And just to add, would you like servers where some people have a slight advantage over others, or no servers at all?PieZ July 8, 2014 at 10:07 PM UTC
If anyone has done their research for once you would know that hypixel has confirmed that they have a plan, So has a lot of other servers. This is business, companies have to change big things sometimes because of the government, this is the same thing. Avicus will have to comply to change and this is a test if they can do it. If they can't well...you know what will happen.PKBeam July 9, 2014 at 12:07 AM UTC
Imagine a small, popular business.Now imagine that business is broke, and it has to get the money it needs to stay open by selling certain things on the black market.
Now the government cracks down on selling that certain thing and starts arresting people.
And that is what you have happening here, except Mojang is nicer than the government.
Cyrus49 July 9, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
@KooDaLord Y U NO REPLY !?!jk
Kels July 9, 2014 at 3:07 AM UTC
I don't give a sheet about perks. I don't have any payed ranks other than avicus Diamond which I bought when it was 20$... I don't care about losing perks. My point is, people like having advantages or perks, thats just how it is. How many people are going to donate for cosmetic things and joining full servers etc? Not nearly as many, people still will, but not as much as before. Servers cost LOADS of money to maintain, and they can't stay up without receiving LOADS or purchases/donations! I personally don't like pay to win, but things like kits, on Akane (my server) each kit would have different items, not more overpowered ones, but different types. These kits were just different style, not better than each other, and donators were able to purchase these kits! Now this isn't really a game changer THAT MUCH, it is but not pay to win, but that isn't allowed in the EULA. Im an experienced server owner, and I know how the EULA affects networks, and it ain't positive...
Look at overcast, people there have purchased their ranks based on cosmetic things. More people donated before the raindrop transition.
"and I know how the EULA affects networks, and it ain't positive..."
You don't understand what the Mojang's thought process is of this. Do you work at Mojang? No, if so, you clearly don't understand. I don't work at Mojang, but I know where they are coming at this. Keep in mind, YOU signed the EULA once you officially bought the account. Besides, the EULA that is being released has been around for a long time, but has never been released to the public.
"Servers cost LOADS of money to maintain, and they can't stay up without receiving LOADS or purchases/donations!"
This isn't entirely true. I remember some old popular servers that ran entirely without purchasing/donating anything. This statement is entirely your opinion, and you have no proof to base it off of.
"THAT MUCH, it is but not pay to win, but that isn't allowed in the EULA."
If it's not pay to win, it's allowed in the EULA. The EULA states that anything that gives an advantage over non-premium players is not allowed.
And to answer your question below, your statement doesn't make sense. Here's my POV. I've been playing OCN for 1.5 years now, and for the most part, it's been mainly pay to win free. The staff crew there made sure nothing was pay to win. So I guess having a slight advantage is better, because that's what OCN is basically, and I've enjoyed it for the past 1.5 years. Slight means small in degree, which basically sums up most non pay to win servers. What I don't understand is how you can say basically "pay to win" or no servers. There are alot of non pay to win servers out there, so there are still servers around to play. Besides, welcome to buisness, like the people above me have said. There will be changes you agree and disagree with. Live life to the fullest, and enjoy it as much as you can, and don't cry like a screaming gorrila about this change to a block game you supposedly enjoy.
Cyrus49 July 10, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
"How many people are going to donate for cosmetic things and joining full servers etc? Not nearly as many, people still will, but not as much as before"
Look at overcast, people there have purchased their ranks based on cosmetic things. More people donated before the raindrop transition.
"and I know how the EULA affects networks, and it ain't positive..."
You don't understand what the Mojang's thought process is of this. Do you work at Mojang? No, if so, you clearly don't understand. I don't work at Mojang, but I know where they are coming at this. Keep in mind, YOU signed the EULA once you officially bought the account. Besides, the EULA that is being released has been around for a long time, but has never been released to the public.
"Servers cost LOADS of money to maintain, and they can't stay up without receiving LOADS or purchases/donations!"
This isn't entirely true. I remember some old popular servers that ran entirely without purchasing/donating anything. This statement is entirely your opinion, and you have no proof to base it off of.
"THAT MUCH, it is but not pay to win, but that isn't allowed in the EULA."
If it's not pay to win, it's allowed in the EULA. The EULA states that anything that gives an advantage over non-premium players is not allowed.
And to answer your question below, your statement doesn't make sense. Here's my POV. I've been playing OCN for 1.5 years now, and for the most part, it's been mainly pay to win free. The staff crew there made sure nothing was pay to win. So I guess having a slight advantage is better, because that's what OCN is basically, and I've enjoyed it for the past 1.5 years. Slight means small in degree, which basically sums up most non pay to win servers. What I don't understand is how you can say basically "pay to win" or no servers. There are alot of non pay to win servers out there, so there are still servers around to play. Besides, welcome to buisness, like the people above me have said. There will be changes you agree and disagree with. Live life to the fullest, and enjoy it as much as you can, and don't cry like a screaming gorrila about this change to a block game you supposedly enjoy.
This isn't entirely true. I remember some old popular servers that ran entirely without purchasing/donating anything. This statement is entirely your opinion, and you have no proof to base it off of."
1. How many times will i have to write this until these DA's understand that a server costs a lot of money.
2. AC/electric bill, six bad ass server computers (avicus) and an ac to keep them at a very specific temperature.
3. Internet uplink costs. Avicus has 750Mb/sec(i think)-that's not cheap
4. Staff, some of the owners pay themselves(i hope), and there is a "what's in it for me" factor of owning a server.
"This statement is entirely your opinion, and you have no proof to base it off of."
Read all the posts on a topic -_-
Teckky July 10, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
Firstly let me say all the information I am about to state has been told to me privately by a Mojang Developer (Grumm).The EULA does effect all servers "Pay To Win" or not. If somebody donates and receives different items (not better than default ones) but different ones, it is still not allowed since it effects gameplay.
Boosters & Selling in game currency for hard cash is not allowed.
Servers are not allowed to sell things that effect gameplay (period, fullstop).
KooDaLord July 10, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
Cels, do you run a network? Do you know how much it costs to maintain? If there are servers that get no donations, and remain online, then the owners have another income supporting it. The majority, LARGE majority of server stay alive from donations. And its not only pay to win that it stops. If the default kit has a stone sword, and lets say the premium kit has a stone sword and a random wood sword added to their inventory, that is against the EULA. Most of YOUR points are invalid.Cyrus49 July 10, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
Cels, do you run a network? Do you know how much it costs to maintain? If there are servers that get no donations, and remain online, then the owners have another income supporting it. The majority, LARGE majority of server stay alive from donations. And its not only pay to win that it stops. If the default kit has a stone sword, and lets say the premium kit has a stone sword and a random wood sword added to their inventory, that is against the EULA. Most of YOUR points are invalid.
Aydran July 10, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
So is the XP boost against the EULA?Cyrus49 July 10, 2014 at 3:07 AM UTC
So is the XP boost against the EULA?
Kels July 10, 2014 at 4:07 AM UTC
""Servers cost LOADS of money to maintain, and they can't stay up without receiving LOADS or purchases/donations!"
This isn't entirely true. I remember some old popular servers that ran entirely without purchasing/donating anything. This statement is entirely your opinion, and you have no proof to base it off of."
1. How many times will i have to write this until these DA's understand that a server costs a lot of money.
2. AC/electric bill, six bad ass server computers (avicus) and an ac to keep them at a very specific temperature.
3. Internet uplink costs. Avicus has 750Mb/sec(i think)-that's not cheap
4. Staff, some of the owners pay themselves(i hope), and there is a "what's in it for me" factor of owning a server.
"This statement is entirely your opinion, and you have no proof to base it off of."
Read all the posts on a topic -_-
To your other responses,
1. I'm not sure if i understand what "DA" means, and I get servers cost alot of money, but if you're a parent of a child that plays minecraft, would you like them spending $200 on a rank? What if you're child bought something very expensive on the internet that is basically cosmetic?
2. There is absolutely no point in running 6 computers and an ac to run one server. Complete waste of money, and could easily be cut short. The owners decided to run their server on 6 computers, so it's their own choice by spending that much money.
3. Again, not entirely necessary, and can be cut short a small bit to still be a good server. Again, their own problem if they want to spend that money on internet uplink.
4. Don't understand the point you're getting across here, can you explain this better?
What I'm trying to say is if you're going to host a server with things that are completely based on money, you're going to have to spend your own money, and not waste it, and then completely rely on donations.
~this post is also pointed @KooDaLord due to the fact that you two basically said the same thing.
KooDaLord July 10, 2014 at 4:07 AM UTC
Cels, Teckky and I were confronted by a Mojang member, and we asked questions, to figure what was acceptable and not, and by the way the EXP boost will not be allowed. These networks are not run on computers, they are are hosted by other companies/hosts.I'm not even going to respond to the rest, as it would be a waste of time .-.
goldenwalrus909 July 10, 2014 at 4:07 AM UTC
Im tired of this.
To people complaining about the EULA. Grow up.
Im tired of people just going ape shit because the EULA is going to "ruin" minecraft. 1st the game can't die due to the fact of how much sales it gets a day. 1 Sale = 27 bucks. Over 15 million sales = $4042500.00. Do you think a game can die off due to one god damn update? No. I understand a lot of servers are going to shut down but, take a chill pill. It's not the end of the world, if you hate the new mc, just buy or find another game on Steam or the internet to play. There probably will be some servers to play also, like it was a long time ago in minecraft. Just grow up and take it.
Matic0B July 10, 2014 at 12:07 PM UTC
So is the XP boost against the EULA?
Lets say you get a kit with an iron sword instead a stone one at 500 XP.
Donor multiplier is x2 meaning the donor only needs to do half what a regular user needs to do which means he gets it faster.
So yes I think XP boosts like that ^ break the EULA as the donor has a slight advantage over a non-donor
Cyrus49 July 11, 2014 at 2:07 AM UTC
Every single legit post contributing to the topic has been backed with strong evidence. The statement he provided was entirely just him.
To your other responses,
1. I'm not sure if i understand what "DA" means, and I get servers cost alot of money, but if you're a parent of a child that plays minecraft, would you like them spending $200 on a rank? What if you're child bought something very expensive on the internet that is basically cosmetic?
2. There is absolutely no point in running 6 computers and an ac to run one server. Complete waste of money, and could easily be cut short. The owners decided to run their server on 6 computers, so it's their own choice by spending that much money.
3. Again, not entirely necessary, and can be cut short a small bit to still be a good server. Again, their own problem if they want to spend that money on internet uplink.
4. Don't understand the point you're getting across here, can you explain this better?
What I'm trying to say is if you're going to host a server with things that are completely based on money, you're going to have to spend your own money, and not waste it, and then completely rely on donations.
~this post is also pointed @KooDaLord due to the fact that you two basically said the same thing.
1b. Monitor your money better if your child can get a hold of $200
2. Unless you want to lag, the AC and most of the computers need to be there.
-Ivy told me he wants to be prepared for a rapid wave of people(why there's 6)
3. Do you want to lag?
4. Staff want some money too...
Summary of my earlier post: Servers cost money to have no lag(for most people),and EULA cuts off the money needed to run servers.
NewVoltdrive July 11, 2014 at 3:07 AM UTC
Every single legit post contributing to the topic has been backed with strong evidence. The statement he provided was entirely just him.
To your other responses,
1. I'm not sure if i understand what "DA" means, and I get servers cost alot of money, but if you're a parent of a child that plays minecraft, would you like them spending $200 on a rank? What if you're child bought something very expensive on the internet that is basically cosmetic?
2. There is absolutely no point in running 6 computers and an ac to run one server. Complete waste of money, and could easily be cut short. The owners decided to run their server on 6 computers, so it's their own choice by spending that much money.
3. Again, not entirely necessary, and can be cut short a small bit to still be a good server. Again, their own problem if they want to spend that money on internet uplink.
4. Don't understand the point you're getting across here, can you explain this better?
What I'm trying to say is if you're going to host a server with things that are completely based on money, you're going to have to spend your own money, and not waste it, and then completely rely on donations.
~this post is also pointed @KooDaLord due to the fact that you two basically said the same thing.
PieZ July 11, 2014 at 6:07 AM UTC
With BeastNode a simple 1000 slots would be 300. 200 for advertisement values. That is 2 Diamond or 4 Golds. They only problem is is that this server does have a few pay to win aspects that they sadly had to rely on looking at this chat. If Funky or Ivy was smart he would of been preparing what needed to be change and get ideas for donators the first day._DC July 11, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC
I haven't encountered any pay to win things. Maybe that's because I don't play every game mode.I'm guessing your talking about the nexus donator kits? Avicade and Nebula are complety pay to win free.
Cyrus49 July 11, 2014 at 12:07 PM UTC
That's is one of the stupid things I have ever read about server hosting and stuff like that.
Cyrus49 July 11, 2014 at 12:07 PM UTC
I haven't encountered any pay to win things. Maybe that's because I don't play every game mode.
I'm guessing your talking about the nexus donator kits? Avicade and Nebula are complety pay to win free.
_DC July 11, 2014 at 12:07 PM UTC
I see what your saying, but the fact of the matter is that emerald gives you an xp boost (aginst EULA), and it also gives you shop items, like tnt. Anything altering gameplay is against the eula.
Xp boost is not pay to win unless you think that you "win" by getting to the top of the leaderboard.
Matic0B July 11, 2014 at 1:07 PM UTC
I was unaware of getting TNT through my rank. Which gamemode are you referring to? Definitely not in Nebula.
Xp boost is not pay to win unless you think that you "win" by getting to the top of the leaderboard.
Cyrus49 July 12, 2014 at 3:07 AM UTC
I was unaware of getting TNT through my rank. Which gamemode are you referring to? Definitely not in Nebula.
Xp boost is not pay to win unless you think that you "win" by getting to the top of the leaderboard.