Religion Thread by MerlinMaster May 31, 2016 at 3:05 AM UTC
Post what religion you are and why!(Post approved by FrostedCupcakez)
steven5703 May 31, 2016 at 3:05 AM UTC
I believe in a thing called memes.Zintenka May 31, 2016 at 3:05 AM UTC
Agnostic.I've realized that religion as a whole perpetuates wars and many atrocities throughout human history.
Crusades... Inquisition... ISIS... Slavery (Somewhat)...
Also, many of the things inside of their texts show blatant examples of hypocrisy, favoritism and extreme violence.
DaFrozenBlaze May 31, 2016 at 3:05 AM UTC
NoneJunr May 31, 2016 at 4:05 AM UTC
Cathloic.Reason for this, is because, I was born to a family that belongs to this religion. In the future, I'm just going to stay this religion, because I don't want to deal with the proccess of going into a different religion.
Goodnighht May 31, 2016 at 4:05 AM UTC
Christian, I don't want to spend the time to type why ;-;flyofff May 31, 2016 at 4:05 AM UTC
I'm deist and agnostic. But I like Muslim rules except don't eat pig etc. Mainly it's for making people good, but unfortunately some rules are not meaningful. But normally I have to be Christian cuZ I was born in USASho May 31, 2016 at 5:05 AM UTC
Keep in mind that this is a sensitive topic for some people. We expect you to be respectful of other people's beliefs and any form of discrimination will be removed immediately. (as well as unfunny political soapboxing)joelous May 31, 2016 at 5:05 AM UTC
I'm catholic but I don't really practise it.GrapeSmoothie May 31, 2016 at 5:05 AM UTC
I'm Christiankeller183 May 31, 2016 at 5:05 AM UTC
None
moqah May 31, 2016 at 6:05 AM UTC
i am veganin all seriousness, i am agnostic. i was raised in a Christian family and i still go to church twice a week, but i just dont think that there is a "god" who created everything. i have to see it in order to believe it.
_Nathy May 31, 2016 at 8:05 AM UTC
I'm a Christian, mainly due to the overwhelming amount of historical evidence for Jesus and that Christianity can give sound arguments/reasoning to Earthly debates we have, eg. Creationzero9178 May 31, 2016 at 8:05 AM UTC
On paper Catholic but actually atheistCrimson_Aught May 31, 2016 at 8:05 AM UTC
AtheistBecause I don't need God anymore.
SnowSX3 May 31, 2016 at 9:05 AM UTC
Atheist.I don't believe in the existence of any God or any supernatural entities.
(Angels, Ghosts, Gods, The idea of a Soul, Spirits etc.)
Having said that, I've spent 11.5 school years at Catholic schools...because logic.
But I do have a fair understanding on Religion in general, and truely respect other people and their personal beliefs.
Sevoo May 31, 2016 at 11:05 AM UTC
I'm Orthodox Christian but I'm not very deep into it. I believe in God though because I believe that there was something or someone that created the world.AyyJake May 31, 2016 at 11:05 AM UTC
Christian (Baptist)Wahiz May 31, 2016 at 12:05 PM UTC
VegetarianTBH I'm Aethiest
Howsie May 31, 2016 at 1:05 PM UTC
Cathloic.
Reason for this, is because, I was born to a family that belongs to this religion. In the future, I'm just going to stay this religion, because I don't want to deal with the proccess of going into a different religion.
Lokigh May 31, 2016 at 2:05 PM UTC
Catholicxoxoxo Jezuz
imryaan May 31, 2016 at 4:05 PM UTC
Agnosticdev_revs May 31, 2016 at 5:05 PM UTC
Christian. Praise jesud, he is my lord and saviorkillerbye22 May 31, 2016 at 7:05 PM UTC
Atheist.As long as there is no proof of any sort of ''God" I won't believe in them.
I also want to say other things about Religion but I won't because people will probably get offended by it..
Jahaj May 31, 2016 at 7:05 PM UTC
AtheistOkiba May 31, 2016 at 8:05 PM UTC
Roman Catholic :)DonaldMyTrump May 31, 2016 at 9:05 PM UTC
i believe in thor.... and captain america and iron manNewcleus May 31, 2016 at 9:05 PM UTC
I am a Pastafarian.DonaldMyTrump May 31, 2016 at 9:05 PM UTC
ImNotYourTiger May 31, 2016 at 9:05 PM UTC
I follow Jediism, otherwise known as Jedismsteven5703 May 31, 2016 at 9:05 PM UTC
I was only 9 years old.
I loved Shrek so much, I had all the merchandise and movies.
I pray to Shrek every night, thanking him for the life I’ve been given. “Shrek is love” I say, “Shrek is life."
My dad hears me and calls me a mean word. I knew he was just jealous of my devotion to Shrek.
I called him a mean word.
He hits me and sends me to sleep.
I'm crying now and my face hurts.
I lay in bed, really cold. I feel something warm...
It's Shrek! I was so happy.
He whispers in my ear "This is my swamp."
He grabs me with his ogre hands, and puts me on my hands and knees. I'm ready.
I spread my HEAD.
He penetrates MY HEAD WITH KNOWLEDGE.
It hurts so much, but I do it for Shrek. I can feel my eyes watering.
I want to please Shrek.
He roars a mighty roar as he fills MY HEAD WITH HIS KNOWLEDGE.
My dad walks in.
Shrek looks him straight in the eye and says,
"It's all ogre now."
Shrek leaves through my window.
Shrek is love. Shrek is life.
Quzz May 31, 2016 at 9:05 PM UTC
none.L1Z May 31, 2016 at 9:05 PM UTC
This offends me as a vegan transgender atheist who vapes and crossfits 4 times a week and I am also a female meninist as I identify myself as a pastafarian apache helicopter dog mega multi combo god of hyper death and if you dont agree with me you're an ignorant arrogant globaphobic sexist lesbian.DonaldMyTrump May 31, 2016 at 9:05 PM UTC
This offends me as a vegan transgender atheist who vapes and crossfits 4 times a week and I am also a female meninist as I identify myself as a pastafarian apache helicopter dog mega multi combo god of hyper death and if you dont agree with me you're an ignorant arrogant globaphobic sexist lesbian.
ClubberNugget May 31, 2016 at 9:05 PM UTC
I believe in Weaboo Matt, I pray that he will break my vase one day and sweep it under the rug.Myworld6 May 31, 2016 at 9:05 PM UTC
Deist.Junr May 31, 2016 at 11:05 PM UTC
What process?
mustafa May 31, 2016 at 11:05 PM UTC
Muslimheil
emilizzle June 1, 2016 at 6:06 AM UTC
I'm deist and agnostic. But I like Muslim rules except don't eat pig etc. Mainly it's for making people good, but unfortunately some rules are not meaningful. But normally I have to be Christian cuZ I was born in USA
Read a bit from this time, many rules aren't even in Quran but in Hadith. Wearing a hijab for example.
They are medival traditions and since the Quran asks us to follow Quran only we don't need to wear it (unless there is much rape in your town).
Pig is the most unhealthy annimal alive btw, they have no good consumption system. They eat everything and thats what they should be used for.
emilizzle June 1, 2016 at 6:06 AM UTC
I'm a Christian, mainly due to the overwhelming amount of historical evidence for Jesus and that Christianity can give sound arguments/reasoning to Earthly debates we have, eg. Creation
I'm sure the bible can win debates about creation.
After discussions with many Christians I made the conclusion that the only thing binding Christianity together are so called miracles.
emilizzle June 1, 2016 at 6:06 AM UTC
Of getting baptised to a different church, getting my "first eucharist" again, and my confirmation re-done.
SnowSX3 June 1, 2016 at 7:06 AM UTC
Yeah Indeed, the bible is right about the fact that water came out of the ground (nope, they came from space in astroids), the world is indeed 6000 years old and we all are family of some kids of adam and eva doing incest.
I'm sure the bible can win debates about creation.
After discussions with many Christians I made the conclusion that the only thing binding Christianity together are so called miracles.
FrozenSolstice June 1, 2016 at 9:06 AM UTC
Your god, our god, the god of the universe, evolution/natural selection etc made you perfect to believe, think and make own choices. Thats why you should at least search and look from other perspectives. Otherwise you wont use all the capabilities god gave you.
On topic, I'm an Athiest. I don't think that there is a god, simply because if there was one (like described in the Bible), he/she would help with the world's current issues.
But I do believe in ghosts/spirits/etc.
emilizzle June 1, 2016 at 10:06 AM UTC
This comment just confused me.
On topic, I'm an Athiest. I don't think that there is a god, simply because if there was one (like described in the Bible), he/she would help with the world's current issues.
But I do believe in ghosts/spirits/etc.
I believe in a god and science tells us were living in a much bigger universe than only our shitty little solar system. Its a massive system and he has more on his mind then african people dying of aids, feminism or people fucking trannys.
Maybe its a test, there wouldnt be a test if god wouldnt let bad things happend
Glesmon June 1, 2016 at 10:06 AM UTC
i am vegan
in all seriousness, i am agnostic. i was raised in a Christian family and i still go to church twice a week, but i just dont think that there is a "god" who created everything. i have to see it in order to believe it.
FrozenSolstice June 1, 2016 at 10:06 AM UTC
Why doesnt Ghosts help the worlds current issue?
I believe in a god and science tells us were living in a much bigger universe than only our shitty little solar system. Its a massive system and he has more on his mind then african people dying of aids, feminism or people fucking trannys.
Maybe its a test, there wouldnt be a test if god wouldnt let bad things happend
I won't get into a debate on here, simply because I'd be wasting my time arguing my view point with you.
OsamaBinBangin June 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM UTC
Ghosts are dead souls, not powerful beings that determine "fate."
I won't get into a debate on here, simply because I'd be wasting my time arguing my view point with you.
SnowSX3 June 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM UTC
Why doesnt Ghosts help the worlds current issue?
I believe in a god and science tells us were living in a much bigger universe than only our shitty little solar system. Its a massive system and he has more on his mind then african people dying of aids, feminism or people fucking trannys.
Maybe its a test, there wouldnt be a test if god wouldnt let bad things happend
Yahweh? Thor? Buddah? Zeus? Allah? Ranginui? Ares? Hermes? Apollo?
Also, if you're Catholic, then the Catholic teachings teach the following about why bad things happen in the world;
Bad things happen in the world because if God didn't allow people to commit bad crimes, then he would be stripping us of our free will.
Catholicism teachings say that God gives everyone free will, which means that anyone has the free will to do both good and bad.
Nowhere in Catholic teachings does it say that God lets bad things happen because "it's a test".
SnowSX3 June 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM UTC
Ghosts are dead souls, not powerful beings that determine "fate."
I won't get into a debate on here, simply because I'd be wasting my time arguing my view point with you.
(Presumably meaning that they are souls from people who have passed away) why don't we see millions of ghosts wandering around the street?
Why are there only limited reported/unreported sightings?
emilizzle June 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM UTC
Just curious, which God do you believe in?
Yahweh? Thor? Buddah? Zeus? Allah? Ranginui? Ares? Hermes? Apollo?
Also, if you're Catholic, then the Catholic teachings teach the following about why bad things happen in the world;
Bad things happen in the world because if God didn't allow people to commit bad crimes, then he would be stripping us of our free will.
Catholicism teachings say that God gives everyone free will, which means that anyone has the free will to do both good and bad.
Nowhere in Catholic teachings does it say that God lets bad things happen because "it's a test".
I'm not Catholic because I don't want to put faith above science. Qura
SnowSX3 June 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM UTC
I believe in science therefor I believe in the Quran making me a Quranist. I read the scientific error verses from the Quran. They are misinterpreted or incorrect translated. (http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/Quran_18.86_sun_setting_muddy_spring_murky_water.htm example) I also believe in detemism by people who aren't being consciousness.
I'm not Catholic because I don't want to put faith above science. Qura
I'm not saying you can't believe in both, but they aren't the same thing.
emilizzle June 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM UTC
Believing in the Quarn and believing in Science are two different things.
I'm not saying you can't believe in both, but they aren't the same thing.
Got a few more websites and also self study about Quran science.
I made this yesterday:
The massa of gelaxies is much more (in percentage) then the massa of the universe. Dark Energy (which te Quran talks about too) is behind the expansion of the Universe (which te Quran talks about too). Scientists don't know much about Dark Energy but they now know it is expanding less in the gelaxies. So since the Universe has less massa in percentage, their growth will go slower too. Source: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/chandra/news/H08-329.html
Big Bang
[Quran 21.30] Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the Earth were meshed together then We ripped them apart?
[Quran 41.11] Then He turned to the sky, and it was smoke, and said to it and to the earth, "Come, willingly or unwillingly." They said, "We come willingly."
Expansion
[Quran 51.47] And the heaven, We built it with craftsmanship and We are still expanding.
Singularity
[Quran 21.104] On the day when We will fold the heaven, like the folder compacts the books, and as We originated the first creation We shall return it; a promise (binding on Us); surely We will deliver.
Big Bang 2
[Quran 14.48] On the day when Earth will be swapped by another Earth and so will be the heavens; and all (creatures) will resurrect before the One Dominant God.
[Quran 36.81] Is He not, who created the heavens and the Earth, capable of creating others like them? Yes, indeed! He is the All-Knowing Creator. His command, if He wanted a thing, is that He only says to it, "BE" and it becomes! So glorified is He in whose hands is the dominion of all things, and to Him you shall be returned.
I wrote a lot in Dutch about other science and Quran. You can't tell me Quran and Science are not in contrast with each other. YOU didn't do research on it and I did.
BoldAndBrash June 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM UTC
Just curious, which God do you believe in?
Yahweh? Thor? Buddah? Zeus? Allah? Ranginui? Ares? Hermes? Apollo?
Also, if you're Catholic, then the Catholic teachings teach the following about why bad things happen in the world;
Bad things happen in the world because if God didn't allow people to commit bad crimes, then he would be stripping us of our free will.
Catholicism teachings say that God gives everyone free will, which means that anyone has the free will to do both good and bad.
Nowhere in Catholic teachings does it say that God lets bad things happen because "it's a test".
emilizzle June 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM UTC
I don't know if you know this, but Islam, Juddaism, and Christianity all have the same gods, just different interpretations.
http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/miracle_of_the_quran_(P1313).html
This is why some Muslims believe that the Quran isn't changed.
SnowSX3 June 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM UTC
http://www.speed-light.info/relativity_quran.htm
Got a few more websites and also self study about Quran science.
I made this yesterday:
The massa of gelaxies is much more (in percentage) then the massa of the universe. Dark Energy (which te Quran talks about too) is behind the expansion of the Universe (which te Quran talks about too). Scientists don't know much about Dark Energy but they now know it is expanding less in the gelaxies. So since the Universe has less massa in percentage, their growth will go slower too. Source: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/chandra/news/H08-329.htmlBig Bang[Quran 21.30] Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the Earth were meshed together then We ripped them apart?[Quran 41.11] Then He turned to the sky, and it was smoke, and said to it and to the earth, "Come, willingly or unwillingly." They said, "We come willingly."Expansion[Quran 51.47] And the heaven, We built it with craftsmanship and We are still expanding.Singularity[Quran 21.104] On the day when We will fold the heaven, like the folder compacts the books, and as We originated the first creation We shall return it; a promise (binding on Us); surely We will deliver.Big Bang 2[Quran 14.48] On the day when Earth will be swapped by another Earth and so will be the heavens; and all (creatures) will resurrect before the One Dominant God.[Quran 36.81] Is He not, who created the heavens and the Earth, capable of creating others like them? Yes, indeed! He is the All-Knowing Creator. His command, if He wanted a thing, is that He only says to it, "BE" and it becomes! So glorified is He in whose hands is the dominion of all things, and to Him you shall be returned.
I wrote a lot in Dutch about other science and Quran. You can't tell me Quran and Science are not in contrast with each other. YOU didn't do research on it and I did.
Thanks for those sources, I'll read some tomorrow as it's too late for me right now :P
But it does intrigue me.
I suppose my interpretation on science and your interpretation on science may be different due to our different standpoints and personal beliefs. So I apologise for any ignorance I may have showed.
SnowSX3 June 1, 2016 at 12:06 PM UTC
I don't know if you know this, but Islam, Juddaism, and Christianity all have the same gods, just different interpretations.
But it is with those different interpretations that spawn the differences in these religions.
Different interpretations result in different opinions and standpoints on similar topics, resulting in a natural inconsistency with regards to each religion's opinions on topics. (If we were comparing each religion's view on any given specific topic)
emilizzle June 1, 2016 at 12:06 PM UTC
I admit my knowledge of the Quran and Islam in general is pretty limited.
Thanks for those sources, I'll read some tomorrow as it's too late for me right now :P
But it does intrigue me.
I suppose my interpretation on science and your interpretation on science may be different due to our different standpoints and personal beliefs. So I apologise for any ignorance I may have showed.
Most muslims follow the Hadiths making them get into goat fuckery and terrorism
SnowSX3 June 1, 2016 at 12:06 PM UTC
No problem mate, just try watching objective from many directions. I was raised as an atheist saw the science in the Quran. Then even tried to debunk it but whenever I read the answers on debunks I knew the Quran was right. After having problems with Hadiths (Muhammeds sayings compiled 250 years after his death) I felt into Quranism.
Most muslims follow the Hadiths making them get into goat fuckery and terrorism
That's not an accurate representation on Hadiths.
And that's quite disrespectful.
Obviously you can't make an opinion on an entire religion based off a few dozen people that have done bad.
But I respect the rest of your post.
emilizzle June 1, 2016 at 12:06 PM UTC
Most muslims follow the Hadiths making them get into goat fuckery and terrorism
That's not an accurate representation on Hadiths.
And that's quite disrespectful.
Obviously you can't make an opinion on an entire religion based off a few dozen people that have done bad.
But I respect the rest of your post.
The climate of Medina did not suit some people, so the Prophet ordered them to follow his shepherd, i.e. his camels, and drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they followed the shepherd that is the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy. Sahih Bukhari 7:71:590
There was another Hadith where the devil was peeing in someones ear so he couldn't wake up for the morning prayer.
Yeah Hadiths are great
SnowSX3 June 1, 2016 at 12:06 PM UTC
Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun: During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them. Sahih Bukhari 5:58:188
The climate of Medina did not suit some people, so the Prophet ordered them to follow his shepherd, i.e. his camels, and drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they followed the shepherd that is the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy. Sahih Bukhari 7:71:590
There was another Hadith where the devil was peeing in someones ear so he couldn't wake up for the morning prayer.
Yeah Hadiths are great
I'm sorry but that's just ignorant.
I honestly do not understand how you can come to that conclusion.
You judge an entire religion because a few versus said that a few Hadiths were doing things that you personally find unacceptable.
So just like that you write off an entire religion while using stereotypes and disrespectful statements?
Regardless of what other people believe, you have to at least be respectful of their religion and their beliefs.
Even if you disagree with it.
Understand that they believe in their religion just as strong as you believe in yours.
Respect others and their religious beliefs.
And this is coming from someone who has no religious beliefs.
emilizzle June 1, 2016 at 12:06 PM UTC
So you're going to assume that all Hatdiths are terrible people because of two verses?
I'm sorry but that's just ignorant.
I honestly do not understand how you can come to that conclusion.
You judge an entire religion because a few versus said that a few Hadiths were doing things that you personally find unacceptable.
So just like that you write off an entire religion while using stereotypes and disrespectful statements?
Regardless of what other people believe, you have to at least be respectful of their religion and their beliefs.
Even if you disagree with it.
Understand that they believe in their religion just as strong as you believe in yours.
Respect others and their religious beliefs.
And this is coming from someone who has no religious beliefs.
There are lots of wrong Hadiths. They contradict the Quran and science and I am against everything contradicting science.
Also all terror Jihadi-Salafi (IS, Taliban, Al Qaida, Al Nusra, Al Shabaab, Boko Haram, Hezbollah (shia btw))/Barbarian muslims follows medival hadiths and fatwa's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_groups
How much terror organisations are Islamic? There is a problem with the Hadiths and Fatwas. Even when Islamic State burned a pilot alive they had a fatwa and Hadith telling them they can punish people with fire.
Also sharia is based on the Hadiths.
SnowSX3 June 1, 2016 at 12:06 PM UTC
The Quran tells you not to listen to Hadiths, still they do which makes them ignorant.
There are lots of wrong Hadiths. They contradict the Quran and science and I am against everything contradicting science.
Also all terror Jihadi-Salafi (IS, Taliban, Al Qaida, Al Nusra, Al Shabaab, Boko Haram, Hezbollah (shia btw))/Barbarian muslims follows medival hadiths and fatwa's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_groups
How much terror organisations are Islamic? There is a problem with the Hadiths and Fatwas. Even when Islamic State burned a pilot alive they had a fatwa and Hadith telling them they can punish people with fire.
Also sharia is based on the Hadiths.
If you truely think otherwise then that says more about you then it does about Islam.
emilizzle June 1, 2016 at 12:06 PM UTC
Just because most Terrorists are Islamic do not mean that most Islamic are terrorists.
If you truely think otherwise then that says more about you then it does about Islam.
No I dont say all Muslims are terrorist or even a part. Fact is that fatwa's and hadiths justifies the terror.
Most muslims dont even read Hadiths that much because only Bukhari has 70000 Hadiths. Muslim has compiled 60000 Hadiths. In this way they justify terror.
emilizzle June 1, 2016 at 1:06 PM UTC
http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/a_dozen_reasons_(P1153).htmlThis site tells Quran followers why not to follow the Hadiths btw.
I read something wrong btw, Bukhari has 600.000 hadiths and Muslim has 300.000 hadiths, both made less then 1 percent sahih meaning it is 'probably' true. But they lived 250 years after Muhammed and Abu Bakr (Kalif after Muhammed) didnt want people to write down Hadiths of Muhammed.
So the Hadiths are whispered like chinese whispers for almost 200 years before they got written down.
O you who believe, do not enter the prophet's homes except if you are invited to a meal, without you forcing such an invitation. But if you are invited, you may enter. And when you finish eating, you shall leave, without staying to wait for hadith. This used to bother the prophet, and he was shy to tell you. But God does not shy away from the truth. And if you ask his wives for something, ask them from behind a barrier. This is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not for you to harm God's messenger, nor that you should marry his wives after him. This is indeed a gross offence with God. [33:53]
Turfs June 1, 2016 at 1:06 PM UTC
I come from a catholic family but later in life changed to Buddhism.Crimson_Aught June 1, 2016 at 2:06 PM UTC
And i think: wow 22 replies, is it religion flame war?YES
ImNotYourTiger June 1, 2016 at 4:06 PM UTC
So you're going to assume that all Hatdiths are terrible people because of two verses?
I'm sorry but that's just ignorant.
I honestly do not understand how you can come to that conclusion.
You judge an entire religion because a few versus said that a few Hadiths were doing things that you personally find unacceptable.
So just like that you write off an entire religion while using stereotypes and disrespectful statements?
Regardless of what other people believe, you have to at least be respectful of their religion and their beliefs.
Even if you disagree with it.
Understand that they believe in their religion just as strong as you believe in yours.
Respect others and their religious beliefs.
And this is coming from someone who has no religious beliefs.
Something that is confusing to me is the bible. If you go anywhere, bibles are always written differently. It is man-made. On the other hand, there is only 1 Quaran anywhere you go, which is considered written by God and passed down to us.
ImNotYourTiger June 1, 2016 at 4:06 PM UTC
And i think: wow 22 replies, is it religion flame war?
YES
You should really start reading the posts
ClubberNugget June 1, 2016 at 4:06 PM UTC
There are minor differences between Christianity and Islam. We believe in the same God. Christians (I don't know if it's Christians or Muslims) believe when Jesus was hung on the cross, God put a lifelike image of Jesus on the cross and kept him there, so Jesus didn't really die. The other religion believes that Jesus actually died, but God gave him life again.
Something that is confusing to me is the bible. If you go anywhere, bibles are always written differently. It is man-made. On the other hand, there is only 1 Quaran anywhere you go, which is considered written by God and passed down to us.
fazer153 June 1, 2016 at 4:06 PM UTC
Atheist, There is no reason to believe in outdated fairy tales. Or any fairy tales at all, without evidence.emilizzle June 1, 2016 at 5:06 PM UTC
Atheist, There is no reason to believe in outdated fairy tales. Or any fairy tales at all, without evidence.
But you're right, if there isnt evidence we shouldn't believe it.
Aphelion June 1, 2016 at 5:06 PM UTC
I think that religion is nonsense and bullshit.ImNotYourTiger June 1, 2016 at 5:06 PM UTC
The main reason for the many different bibles is because when different religions were made, they would edit the bible to their teaching, either removing certain content, or adding content.
Speeded June 1, 2016 at 6:06 PM UTC
CatholicI was too busy praising jesus last night bish halleluah!
In all seriousness though i dont really stress on it too much but i do practice it
(inb4 i doze off during the homily in masses)
FrozenSolstice June 1, 2016 at 6:06 PM UTC
So, if Ghosts are dead souls,
(Presumably meaning that they are souls from people who have passed away) why don't we see millions of ghosts wandering around the street?
Why are there only limited reported/unreported sightings?
voidloop June 1, 2016 at 6:06 PM UTC
Simply because I don't believe that they are always visible, they make themselves seen.
FrozenSolstice June 1, 2016 at 6:06 PM UTC
how
killerbye22 June 1, 2016 at 8:06 PM UTC
Religion is so annoying, it always gets people argueing what's right/real and what isn't.You should believe in the things you want without being a smart ass to others..
Myworld6 June 1, 2016 at 8:06 PM UTC
Religion is so annoying, it always gets people argueing what's right/real and what isn't.
You should believe in the things you want without being a smart ass to others..
It's the same reason why I believe in a god but refuse to dedicate my life to a specific belief, be it Christianity, Judaism or Islam.
Myworld6 June 1, 2016 at 8:06 PM UTC
Why doesnt Ghosts help the worlds current issue?
I believe in a god and science tells us were living in a much bigger universe than only our shitty little solar system. Its a massive system and he has more on his mind then african people dying of aids, feminism or people fucking trannys.
Maybe its a test, there wouldnt be a test if god wouldnt let bad things happend
Second, the Christian/Jewish God selected the human race as his "chosen species".
Finally, I don't believe that life is a test from God. No offence, but if the only way to pass the test is to follow the Bible/Torah/Qur'an and some of their outdated teachings (e.g. homophobia), then I've definitely failed already.
I'm sorry if I offended you. It's just my opinion.
BoldAndBrash June 1, 2016 at 8:06 PM UTC
Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun: During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them. Sahih Bukhari 5:58:188
The climate of Medina did not suit some people, so the Prophet ordered them to follow his shepherd, i.e. his camels, and drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they followed the shepherd that is the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy. Sahih Bukhari 7:71:590
There was another Hadith where the devil was peeing in someones ear so he couldn't wake up for the morning prayer.
Yeah Hadiths are great
emilizzle June 1, 2016 at 9:06 PM UTC
All religions have those really weird verses here and there.
BoldAndBrash June 1, 2016 at 9:06 PM UTC
Quran hasn't, Islam is clean without Hadith
I'm a Muslim myself, but it's weird how you didn't realize how many controversial verses were in the holy book.
mustafa June 1, 2016 at 9:06 PM UTC
Quran hasn't, Islam is clean without Hadith
JUBBINATOR June 2, 2016 at 2:06 AM UTC
Syriac OrthodoxyRaised in the faith, firm believer.
FrostedCupcakez June 2, 2016 at 4:06 AM UTC
For anyone participating on this religion thread,Please keep in mind that this is a sensitive topic like Sho stated. I'm going to ask everyone to calm down and tone it down. If the flaming/arguments continue, I will have to lock this discussion.
Thank you for your cooperation.
emilizzle June 2, 2016 at 6:06 AM UTC
Okay. That is completely wrong. To be a muslim, the first thing you are required to do is say something called the shahadah. It is where you acknowledge that there is no god but Allah and that the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is his servent and messenger. It is an essential belief that the Muhammad is one of god's messengers, and Allah orders us to follow his messenger. Hadith are considered things that the prophet did or said. And since it is essential to follow the prophet, should we not also follow hadith? Of course the Quran takes precedence over Hadith but hadith is an aid in following the Quran. Without it, there would be so many more conflicts and arguments about what is right. Whenever a religious leader (Imaam) is giving a lecture about a certain topic, they only use authentic hadith. This so we can try and preserve the purity of our religion. Almost never do proper imaams even mention hadith that have even a chance of not being authentic. Of course there are some hadith out there which may not be correct, but that is why muslims try their best to only use the ones that they are sure about. Also, hadith is not the cause of terrorism. Hadith is where we get a lot of our information about islam. It makes it easier for us as a society to interpret and follow the Quran.
wa eshhedoe is made up by Hadiths.
The Quran states the following
[Quran 3:18] God bears witness that there is no god but He, and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge.
As well as the Thorra
[Deuteronomy 6:4] "Hear, O" Israel : the Lord our God, the Lord is One."
People weren't allowed to write down Hadiths according to the Quran
[Quran 33:53] O you who believe, do not enter the prophet's homes except if you are invited to a meal, without you forcing such an invitation. But if you are invited, you may enter. And when you finish eating, you shall leave, without staying to wait for hadith. This used to bother the prophet, and he was shy to tell you. But God does not shy away from the truth. And if you ask his wives for something, ask them from behind a barrier. This is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not for you to harm God's messenger, nor that you should marry his wives after him. This is indeed a gross offence with God.[Quran 66:3]The prophet had trusted some of his wives with a certain hadith, then one of them spread it, and GOD let him know about it. He then informed his wife of part of the issue, and disregarded part. She said: ‘who informed you of this?’. He said: ‘I was informed by the Knowledgeable, the Expert’.
And since the Quran is complete. Here are some quotes. Yes there are more.
[Quran 6:19] Say, "Whose testimony is the greatest?" Say, "God's. He is the witness between me and you that this Quran has been inspired to me, to preach it to you and whomever it reaches. Indeed, you bear witness that there are other gods beside God." Say, "I do not testify as you do; there is only one god, and I disown your idolatry."
[Quran 6:38] We did not leave anything out of this book.[Quran 7:52] We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe.[Quran 10:37] This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than God. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe.[Quran 12:111] In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe.[Quran 6:115] The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.[Quran 6:14]Shall I seek a judge other than Allah while it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (The Quran), explained in detail.[Quran 16:89] We have brought the Book down to you providing explanations for all things plus guidance and mercy and giving news to the submitters. We have brought the Book down to you providing explanations for all things plus guidance and mercy and giving news to the submitters.[Quran 41:3] A Book, the signs which have been explained in detail.
You basically say that the Quran isn't complete when following Hadiths or the Sunnah of Muhammed. About the word Sunnah in the Quran btw, there only is the Sunnah of Allah
[Quran 17:77] This has been consistently the case with all the messengers that we sent before you, and you will find that our system (Sunnah) never changes.[Quran 33:62] This is God's eternal system (Sunnah), and you will find that God's system (Sunnah) is unchangeable." 33:62
[Quran 48:23] Such is God's system (Sunnah) throughout history, and you will find that God's system (Sunnah) is unchangeable.When you search the word Hadith in the Quran you will find enough evidence that the Quran asks us only to follow the Quran. Since the Hadiths are written 250 years after Muhammed, the only Hadith we can follow is the Quran.
[4:42] On that day those who rejected and disobeyed the messenger will desire that the earth will swallow them; but they cannot hide any hadith from GOD.
[4:78] Wherever you may be, death will find you, even if you are in fortified towers. If any good befalls them, they say: "This is from God," and if any bad befalls them, they say: "This is from you!" Say: "All is from God;" what is wrong with these people, they barely understand a hadith!
[4:87] GOD, there is no god but He. He will gather you for the day of resurrection in which there is no doubt. Who is more truthful in hadith than GOD?.
[4:140] And it has been sent down to you in the book, that if you hear GOD's verses being rejected in and ridiculed in, then do not sit with them until they move on to a different hadith; if not, then you are like them. GOD will gather the hypocrites and the disbelievers in hell all together.
[6:68] And if you see those who meddle in Our verses, then turn away from them until they meddle in a different hadith; and if the devil lets you forget, then do not sit after remembering with the wicked people.
[7:185] Did they not look at the dominion of heavens and earth, and all that GOD has created?. Perhaps their time is coming near; so in which hadith after this will they have faith?
[12:6] And it is such that your Lord Has chosen you, and He teaches you the interpretation of hadith, and He completes His blessings upon you and upon the family of Jacob, as He completed it for your fathers before that, Abraham and Isaac. your Lord is Knowing, Wise.
[12:21]And the one from Egypt who bought him said to his wife: 'make his stay generous, perhaps he will benefit us or we make take him as a son'. And it was thus that We established Joseph in the land and to teach him the interpretation of hadith. And GOD Has full power over His affairs, but most of mankind do not know.
[12:101] 'My Lord, you have given me sovereignty and taught me the interpretations of hadith. Initiator of the heavens and earth, you are my protector in this world and the hereafter. Make me die a Submitter, and join me with the good doers'.
[12:111] In their stories is a lesson for the people of intelligence. It was not a hadith that was invented, but an authentication of what is already present and a detailing of all things, and a guidance and mercy to a people who have faith.
[18:6] Perhaps you will torment yourself in grief over them, because they will not believe in this hadith at all.[20:9] And did the hadith of Moses come to you?[23:44] Then We sent Our messengers in succession. Every time there came to a nation their messenger, they denied him. So We made them follow one another, and We made them a hadith. So away with a people who do not believe.[31:6] And from the people, there are those who accept baseless hadith to mislead from the path of GOD without knowledge, and takes it as entertainment. Those will have a humiliating retribution.[33:53] O you who believe, do not enter the prophet's homes except if you are invited to a meal, without you forcing such an invitation. But if you are invited, you may enter. And when you finish eating, you shall leave, without staying to wait for hadith. This used to bother the prophet, and he was shy to tell you. But God does not shy away from the truth. And if you ask his wives for something, ask them from behind a barrier. This is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not for you to harm God's messenger, nor that you should marry his wives after him. This is indeed a gross offence with God.[34:19] But they said: ‘our Lord, make the measure between our journeys longer’, and they wronged themselves. So We made them hadith, and We scattered them into small groups. In this are signs for every person who is patient, thankful.[39:23] God has sent down the best hadith; a book that is similar in two ways. The skins of those who reverence their Lord shiver from it, then their skins and their hearts soften up to the remembrance of God. Such is God's guidance; He guides with it whoever He wills. And for whomever God misguides, then none can guide him.
[45:6] These are God's revelations that We recite to you with truth. So, in which hadith after God and His revelations do they believe?
[51:24] Has the hadith of Abraham’s noble guests come to you?
[52:34] Let them produce a hadith like this, if they are truthful.
[53:59] Are you questioning this hadith?
[56:81] Are you disregarding this hadith?
[66:3] The prophet had trusted some of his wives with a certain hadith, then one of them spread it, and GOD let him know about it. He then informed his wife of part of the issue, and disregarded part. She said: ‘who informed you of this?’. He said: ‘I was informed by the Knowledgeable, the Expert’.
[68:44] Therefore, let Me deal with those who reject this hadith; We will lead them on whence they never perceive.
[77:50] So in what hadith after this will they believe?
[79:15] Did the hadith of Moses come to you?
[85:17] Has the hadith come to you of the soldiers?[88:1] Has the hadith come to you of that which will overwhelm?
So now you might ask yourself, how do I obey the messenger.
[46:9] Say, "I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner."
[7:203] And when you, [O Muhammad], do not bring them a sign, they say, "Why have you not contrived it?" Say, "I only follow what is revealed to me from my Lord. This [Qur'an] is enlightenment from your Lord and guidance and mercy for a people who believe."Quran states itself selfexplaining too.
[75:19] And that behold, it will be for Us to explain it.
[41:3] A Book, the signs which have been explained in detail as a Qur'an in Arabic for people of knowledge to be a herald of glad tidings as well as a warning.
[17:41] We have explained (things) in various (ways) in the Qur'an, in order that they may receive admonition, but it only increases their flight from the truth.[18:54] We have explained in detail in this Qur'an, for the benefit of mankind, every kind of similitude, but man is in most things contentious.[6:114] Shall I seek other than Allah for judge when it is He who has revealed unto you (this) Book, fully explained?
There aren't Quranists which felt in Terrorism yet because we interpret the Quran on an as peaceful as possible way. Since Allah is As-Salam, Ar-Rahim, Al-Barr, Al-'Afuww, Ad-Darr and the MOST important: An-Nafi ---> CREATOR OF GOOD, we have to use the most peaceful translation of the Quran we can find or translate it in the most peaceful way possible.
emilizzle June 2, 2016 at 6:06 AM UTC
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Top_10_Controversial_Verses_in_the_Qur'an
I'm a Muslim myself, but it's weird how you didn't realize how many controversial verses were in the holy book.
Example is the beating of your wife. The word used for beating can also be translated to disband. Were living in a different society now. We can use the less aggresive translations.
http://www.studyquran.org/resources/Quran_Reformist_Translation.pdf
The men are to support the women by what God has gifted them over one another and for what they spend of their money. The reformed women are devotees and protectors of privacy what God has protected. As for those women from whom you fear disloyalty, then you shall advise them, abandon them in the bedchamber, and separate from them; if they obey you, then do not seek a way over them; God is High, Great. (4:34)
Then about the cutting of the hands
The recompense of those who fight God and His messenger and seek to corrupt the land, is that they will be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off on alternate sides or that they be banished from the land. That is a disgrace for them in this world. In the Hereafter, they will have a great retribution;
Yes, if someone fights against the PEACEFUL Islam (so not against salafi islam), then we can cut off their hand so they can return home without without being able to fight again. Better then execution I think
This is the way Allah meant its Quran.
steven5703 June 2, 2016 at 11:06 AM UTC
For anyone participating on this religion thread,
Please keep in mind that this is a sensitive topic like Sho stated. I'm going to ask everyone to calm down and tone it down. If the flaming/arguments continue, I will have to lock this discussion.
Thank you for your cooperation.
emilizzle June 2, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC
You could just archive their posts...
w0nders June 2, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC
ChristianStimulating June 2, 2016 at 4:06 PM UTC
You could just archive their posts...
Numberz_ June 2, 2016 at 4:06 PM UTC
That would just be a complete waste of the staff team's time, having to check and remove posts from this thread 24/7
emilizzle June 2, 2016 at 5:06 PM UTC
Takes two seconds to archive a post. Staff are going to check it anyway, why not remove the posts that are starting arguments? I already see a few questionable ones that should be removed...
Numberz_ June 2, 2016 at 5:06 PM UTC
It is good to discuss about religions, and we're free to have an opinion and share it.
NewVoltdrive June 2, 2016 at 6:06 PM UTC
You know, just because we CAN make a religion thread, it doesn't mean that we SHOULD make a religion thread.ImNotYourTiger June 2, 2016 at 7:06 PM UTC
You know, just because we CAN make a religion thread, it doesn't mean that we SHOULD make a religion thread.
It's not a matter of we should or shouldn't, it's a matter of we want to or not. It was made. End of convo
steven5703 June 2, 2016 at 7:06 PM UTC
freedom of speech bru
Crimson_Aught June 2, 2016 at 7:06 PM UTC
As stated by the admins, this server isnt a democracy, bru.
steven5703 June 2, 2016 at 7:06 PM UTC
Like-repost
Arcane_Horror June 2, 2016 at 7:06 PM UTC
The fact that so many people still are religious lowers my sanity.Stimulating June 2, 2016 at 7:06 PM UTC
Takes two seconds to archive a post. Staff are going to check it anyway, why not remove the posts that are starting arguments? I already see a few questionable ones that should be removed...
@OP
Athiest, but respect others' religions and the beliefs within them as long as they do not encompass or promote discrimination or violence of any kind.
emilizzle June 2, 2016 at 7:06 PM UTC
The fact that so many people still are religious lowers my sanity.
But yeah I dont like traditional believers if they dont re-investigate the belief
Arcane_Horror June 2, 2016 at 7:06 PM UTC
Maybe that you should investigate religions. There are quiet a view reasons people might belief.
But yeah I dont like traditional believers if they dont re-investigate the belief
Yes, I know a lot of the reasons why people are religious.
Also, if people actually investigated their religions deeply, the amount of religious people would drop faster than the <redacted> because they would see what they are actually rooting for, whether or not those values aren't prevalent in the countries they live in.
SnowSX3 June 2, 2016 at 8:06 PM UTC
*quite a few
Yes, I know a lot of the reasons why people are religious.
Also, if people actually investigated their religions deeply, the amount of religious people would drop faster than the <redacted> because they would see what they are actually rooting for, whether or not those values aren't prevalent in the countries they live in.
emilizzle June 2, 2016 at 8:06 PM UTC
*quite a few
Yes, I know a lot of the reasons why people are religious.
Also, if people actually investigated their religions deeply, the amount of religious people would drop faster than the <redacted> because they would see what they are actually rooting for, whether or not those values aren't prevalent in the countries they live in.
Arcane_Horror June 2, 2016 at 8:06 PM UTC
Your joke was terrible.
SnowSX3 June 2, 2016 at 8:06 PM UTC
You have a bad taste of humor then, I'm sure islamists would find that joke extra funny.
It's Ok, you tried.
emilizzle June 2, 2016 at 8:06 PM UTC
You have a bad taste of humor then, I'm sure islamists would find that joke extra funny.
Arcane_Horror June 2, 2016 at 8:06 PM UTC
It was still a shit joke...it's not even about my sense of humour, it was just a terrible joke xD
It's Ok, you tried.
mustafa June 2, 2016 at 8:06 PM UTC
9/11 jokes aren't funny, 6 muslims died over there
Myworld6 June 2, 2016 at 8:06 PM UTC
Well, everyone has their tastes, I like my humor dark.
As to your point about religion, the concept of religion is noble, but over centuries it has been twisted to suit people's own ends. I was a Christian, but I still believe in a god, be he/she - yes, I personally believe that God is a woman or can take either form. To claim that an omnipotent being is limited to one gender is contradictory to religious beliefs - Yahweh, Allah, Zeus, Odin, etc.
I don't understand why religious belief is such a joke among some people in society. Personally, I respect and admire people who stay true to their beliefs even when being persecuted or discriminated against.
steven5703 June 2, 2016 at 8:06 PM UTC
Why was my post archived? I was just saying that 9/11 jokes are plain wrong... guess bader likes 9/11 jokes.Myworld6 June 2, 2016 at 8:06 PM UTC
Why was my post archived? I was just saying that 9/11 jokes are plain wrong... guess bader likes 9/11 jokes.
steven5703 June 2, 2016 at 8:06 PM UTC
Check your spelling of "plain".
SnowSX3 June 2, 2016 at 8:06 PM UTC
Well, everyone has their tastes, I like my humor dark.
But I don't like terrible humour.
I'm not saying your taste in humour is bad.
I'm saying your joke was terrible.
In both it being distasteful and it being not funny in general.
emilizzle June 2, 2016 at 8:06 PM UTC
When I said that Muslims use hadith, I did not mean that they are essential for Islam, I merely suggested that they are helpful in understanding the religion. Like I said before, Muslims do not base their entire lives off had ithesa. Quran comes first always, but we still do take had ithesa into consideration because they can help us understand the religion.
Praying 5 times a day for example. It is accepting the Hadith (which is already wrong) where it tells us Allah doesnt know everything, since he first said 50 prayers per day.
Allah is all knowing.
Zoroastrians had to pray 5 times btw and the Quran which is complete only talked about 3 prayers
Also all Hadiths about the last day are false and contradicting the Quran
"Say (O Muhammad), "I do not say to you that I possess the treasures of God. Nor do I know the future. Nor do I say to you that I am an angel. I simply follow what is revealed to me." Say, "Is the blind the same as the seer? Do you not reflect?" Quran 6:50 "Say (O Muhammad), "No one in the heavens and the earth knows the future except God. They do not even perceive how or when they will be resurrected." Quran 27:65
In this way I feel like traditional Muslims are disbanding there Quran, because Hadiths make them believe things which are contradicting the Quran and yet they believe and study it.
Hadiths are essential to follow the Sunnah of Muhammed in Sunni's eyes. But as I already told you, there only is a Sunnah of Allah
MerlinMaster June 2, 2016 at 8:06 PM UTC
LOLFrostedCupcakez June 2, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC
Seeing as this discussion has started to have some issues, which are creating arguements... I'm going to lock it as I have an agreement with Merlin.If you have issues regarding this, speak with me on Skype or Teamspeak.
Locking..