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The Cycle Just Continues... Never Ends... by Zintenka July 8, 2016 at 1:07 AM UTC

As some of you know, a recent male was shot unlawfully by Louisiana police officers for allegedly carrying a gun - even though Louisiana is an Open Carry State.

Now despite the man's past criminal actions in the 1990s, he still did not deserve to die. He was killed like a fucking dog.

They just held him down there with the car he was tackled besides shaking... one yelled out... "He's got a gun..!" and... they pointed the gun at his face... the two gunshots... Oh no.

I don't feel safe in this country anymore, I want to move out now. Not only because of the continuous prejudices I face with my skin color but how the police forces handle situations such as this. 

The American police training needs serious reevaluation, they use over-excessive for such minute situations.

So, on this side note... I feel that this is necessary for multiple reasons. Not only am I Minority who is likely to targeted more often by police forces, I also wish to survive, I want to grow up and have a family... away from such a harsh atmosphere this country continuously exudes.

I'm about to be in college, and I'm one step away from going out into the world on my own.

I want to live. I want to get a future WITHOUT occurrences such as these...

I'm scared shitless right now, what countries would be a good place to live where the laws are fair, free healthcare and the police don't have a mindset akin to a third world country.

Please. No unnecessary flame, I not only want suggestions for where to move but a discussion on this whole situation in general. Even if you have opposing opinions, you won't be attacked. We just need a debate.

steven5703 July 8, 2016 at 1:07 AM UTC

Has anyone considered that it was an accident? Stop pulling the race card so soon ffs

Cops make correct decisions all the time and incorrect decisions rarely. But when they make one mistake its over hyped by the news and everyone starts freaking out

smitdalt July 8, 2016 at 2:07 AM UTC

Has anyone considered that it was an accident? Stop pulling the race card so soon ffs

Cops make correct decisions all the time and incorrect decisions rarely. But when they make one mistake its over hyped by the news and everyone starts freaking out
^^ so true

Juanooo July 8, 2016 at 2:07 AM UTC

'I don't feel safe in this country anymore, I want to move out now'

you're like 15, if not, 16 rofl

gobernment July 8, 2016 at 2:07 AM UTC

Intolerance is a common share of society. A lot of people, on both sides, will hate each other no matter the cause and can't face any denomination of unity. It has been a cruel nation and will continue to be a cruel nation until something is done, which may be how long. We shouldn't live in fear of those who protect us, and we could use a non-violent revolution, for both parties to come together and stop these prejudices from our enforcers. Corruption and scandals erupt more than they should in what is supposed to be a developed country, and I would personally make demands for transparency if this were the case for these scandals to be disproven, which the United States is notorious for not doing. It's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty here.

People take disagreements to the extreme, and those are the ones who are mentally ill and aren't afraid of taking a life for their opinion. A foundation needs to be structured for the citizens of America, keep education strong and not cut it. We should have any sort of authority heavily evaluated mentally, and take more intensive training courses. I also think that we need body cams on every acting officer on duty, and no excuses like other cases where they 'accidentally turn off' while handling a suspect.

The more liberal side of me came out, but oh well. I actually don't really want to narrow it down to one race, but to everyone on both sides.

Zintenka July 8, 2016 at 2:07 AM UTC

Has anyone considered that it was an accident? Stop pulling the race card so soon ffs

Cops make correct decisions all the time and incorrect decisions rarely. But when they make one mistake its over hyped by the news and everyone starts freaking out
Wow. Wow. Wow.

I get that you have a differing opinion compared to mine... however, you essentially said that I was pulling the race card and essentially said that this thing was overhyped by the news.

The dude was merely selling CDs! He's been doing it for 5 years straight and his family was observing from his car the confrontation. 

A lot of things could be said on the police man's intent, whether it was racism or not is left up for debate.

However, to say that it was an accident..? The police man held a gun inches from his face, he hovered it there for a few seconds with the man screaming.

Then the camera looked away in horror and two gunshot sounds.

If you honestly think this was an accident then you either need to take a look at the video yourself or you're deliberately spitting on a man's death.

I hope it's the former.

Murder, no matter what race, culture, creed or religion IS A PRETTY DAMN BIG DEAL!

Considering the recent happenings with minorities as well as Muslims (A muslim was literally swarmed by police for "looking too Muslim". He was a business man from the UAE coming to the US for a medical procedure when a hotel employee called the police on him) you cannot really blame me for making an educated guess.

With the recent happenings you have to either be really naive or you just play too many games with little room for your surroundings to really gauge the magnitude of how crazy this world truly is.

SnowSX3 July 8, 2016 at 2:07 AM UTC

This story sounds very one sided.
Now I'm not saying the racism isn't a terrible thing but,
I wouldn't make conclusions without knowing exactly what happened.

Why were the police called?
Was the man doing anything that would justify such a conflict that ended in gunshots?
Did the man reach for his gun? 
Was he or did he inflict harm on an officer?

These and many more questions need to be asked before you make conclusions on a story.

Zintenka July 8, 2016 at 2:07 AM UTC

'I don't feel safe in this country anymore, I want to move out now'

you're like 15, if not, 16 rofl
No, I'm 17 turning 18 in September and I'm going to college in August 26th.

I have to start looking for a job soon so that I can support myself and I'm one step closer to being on my own. I have to take care of my transportation and my own studies.

Tuition and books is left to my parents. That's all.

I'm not getting any "allowance" or whatever, I'm officially an adult. May be a few months apart from my 18th birthday but I may as well be called one now.

GrapeSmoothie July 8, 2016 at 2:07 AM UTC

This story sounds very one sided.
Now I'm not saying the racism isn't a terrible thing but,
I wouldn't make conclusions without knowing exactly what happened.

Why were the police called?
Was the man doing anything that would justify such a conflict that ended in gunshots?
Did the man reach for his gun? 
Was he or did he inflict harm on an officer?

These and many more questions need to be asked before you make conclusions on a story.
I can only answer 3 of these. 

Was the man doing anything that would justify such a conflict that ended in gunshots?
No the man was completely unable to do anything to result in a gunshot he was restrained from moving what so ever. All that happened that triggered the gun shots was a cop screaming hes got a gun when he had a permit and was allowed to carry one. In the videos you can see it was impossible for him to even attempt to pull it out.

Did the man reach for his gun? 
Couldn't have, the video shows he didn't 

Was he or did he inflict harm on an officer?
restrainted.

Zintenka July 8, 2016 at 2:07 AM UTC

This story sounds very one sided.
Now I'm not saying the racism isn't a terrible thing but,
I wouldn't make conclusions without knowing exactly what happened.

Why were the police called?
Was the man doing anything that would justify such a conflict that ended in gunshots?
Did the man reach for his gun? 
Was he or did he inflict harm on an officer?

These and many more questions need to be asked before you make conclusions on a story.
I'll look into why the police was called.

According to the video that I saw, the man was standing still whilst one police officer tackled him to the ground causing the nearby car to shake a bit.

The man was on the ground struggling and trying to get his bearings for a bit, understandable when you've just been bodily slammed to the ground by two police officers.

He was on back and staring at the cops, one holding him down whilst the other was patting him down for anything (Not visible as he was partially obscured by the car, however I assumed he was since he yelled out that he had a gun) when the man yelled out that he had a gun (No, he didn't pull it out or anything. He was being quite docile up until they tackled him)

The police man holding him down pulled out his gun and hovered it a few inches from his face.... the man was screaming. The cameraman (Which i assume is his son or wife) pointed it away to get out of the car, then two gunshots rang out and the man on the ground screamed no more.

It was horrifying.

Now according to the owner of the store, he had permission from him to sell CDs on his property and hadn't down anything to warrant for police to be called.

Sevoo July 8, 2016 at 2:07 AM UTC

Has anyone considered that it was an accident? Stop pulling the race card so soon ffs

Cops make correct decisions all the time and incorrect decisions rarely. But when they make one mistake its over hyped by the news and everyone starts freaking out
That's the thing. Cops shouldn't make any mistakes. This one small mistake ended in a guy dying in front of his girlfriend and son.

steven5703 July 8, 2016 at 2:07 AM UTC

Wow. Wow. Wow.

I get that you have a differing opinion compared to mine... however, you essentially said that I was pulling the race card and essentially said that this thing was overhyped by the news.

The dude was merely selling CDs! He's been doing it for 5 years straight and his family was observing from his car the confrontation. 

A lot of things could be said on the police man's intent, whether it was racism or not is left up for debate.

However, to say that it was an accident..? The police man held a gun inches from his face, he hovered it there for a few seconds with the man screaming.

Then the camera looked away in horror and two gunshot sounds.

If you honestly think this was an accident then you either need to take a look at the video yourself or you're deliberately spitting on a man's death.

I hope it's the former.

Murder, no matter what race, culture, creed or religion IS A PRETTY DAMN BIG DEAL!

Considering the recent happenings with minorities as well as Muslims (A muslim was literally swarmed by police for "looking too Muslim". He was a business man from the UAE coming to the US for a medical procedure when a hotel employee called the police on him) you cannot really blame me for making an educated guess.

With the recent happenings you have to either be really naive or you just play too many games with little room for your surroundings to really gauge the magnitude of how crazy this world truly is.
You and many others did pull the race card and this was over hyped.

When I say it was an accident, I mean a misunderstanding. A cop had to make a life or death choice on the spot and that's a lot of pressure to put on one guy. If the cop felt threatened, he had to make a decision (in this case he made the wrong decision).

I haven't seen a white person shot by the police get this much news coverage...

Zintenka July 8, 2016 at 2:07 AM UTC

Intolerance is a common share of society. A lot of people, on both sides, will hate each other no matter the cause and can't face any denomination of unity. It has been a cruel nation and will continue to be a cruel nation until something is done, which may be how long. We shouldn't live in fear of those who protect us, and we could use a non-violent revolution, for both parties to come together and stop these prejudices from our enforcers. Corruption and scandals erupt more than they should in what is supposed to be a developed country, and I would personally make demands for transparency if this were the case for these scandals to be disproven, which the United States is notorious for not doing. It's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty here.

People take disagreements to the extreme, and those are the ones who are mentally ill and aren't afraid of taking a life for their opinion. A foundation needs to be structured for the citizens of America, keep education strong and not cut it. We should have any sort of authority heavily evaluated mentally, and take more intensive training courses. I also think that we need body cams on every acting officer on duty, and no excuses like other cases where they 'accidentally turn off' while handling a suspect.

The more liberal side of me came out, but oh well. I actually don't really want to narrow it down to one race, but to everyone on both sides.
Don't really know how to reply to this... I mean it's really philosophical and pretty much says everything that I would suggest be done.

I do not wish for another Baltimore to happen again. Not at all. However, as a man once said, if you make a peaceful revolution impossible then you leave more than enough room for a violent one.

Now... I really hope that doesn't happen, however things are going to slow for everyone's liking and more people are being slaughtered as a result of the current system in place.

A 24 hour camera being put on the policeman is really needed with heavy repercussions for it being turned off. This would definitely be a good start for the foundation of a more peaceful revolution.

Tarheelkiwi July 8, 2016 at 2:07 AM UTC

It is sad to hear that about this.  It seems more frequent but you have to realize what police officers go through.  Everyday they put on that uniform, they never know if they will return to their families.  It's a scary world out there.  I didn't hear about this story until I read this post, but from what I read in this thread, the police might have abused their gun privileges.  However, you shouldn't be scared.  If you are scared, you won't have the courage to step out of your comfort zone and make something of yourself.  Otherwise, you will just be like everyone else and have a 9-5 job.  I understand your uneasiness about the situation, but just realize that as long as you obey the law, you have nothing to worry about.  This am obviously did something wrong that got the police's attention.  Just stay strong and live life without fear.

Update: Ironic

steven5703 July 8, 2016 at 2:07 AM UTC

That's the thing. Cops shouldn't make any mistakes. This one small mistake ended in a guy dying in front of his girlfriend and son.
Of course they shouldn't. I'm sure this mistake costed this cop his job and probably his social life.

However, he is a human and nobody is perfect. Like I said cops make many correct decisions and rarely make false decisions.

AsianPear July 8, 2016 at 2:07 AM UTC

I do believe that the majority of police officers are good people who believe in the "To Protect and Serve" motto. All cops are not bad people, lets not get into generalizations. However, it was very, very unnecessary to take this man from his family. On the contrast, who knows what was going through the officers minds. They could have some unheard reason to be afraid as well. I doubt they went about it with malicious intent, they probably thought they were doing the right thing in the moment. The thing that would keep THEM safe. The thing that would let THEM go home and eat with their families. Was it the right choice? Certainly not. Another note, this type of stuff is VERY overhyped by the media. You can't say I'm wrong. For every mishap the police commit that the media report on, there has to be at least 1000 good deeds done by officers. Maybe more. They are not a force for evil.

IsaKnife July 8, 2016 at 2:07 AM UTC

This story sounds very one sided.
Now I'm not saying the racism isn't a terrible thing but,
I wouldn't make conclusions without knowing exactly what happened.

Why were the police called?
Was the man doing anything that would justify such a conflict that ended in gunshots?
Did the man reach for his gun? 
Was he or did he inflict harm on an officer?

These and many more questions need to be asked before you make conclusions on a story.
The police were called due to the fact that people felt threatened by this man because he had a gun. The man was also being restrained by police, which made him unable to harm the police, let alone reach for a gun. I don't know the full story either, so I can't reach for conclusions, but this is all I know of so far.

Zintenka July 8, 2016 at 2:07 AM UTC

You and many others did pull the race card and this was over hyped.

When I say it was an accident, I mean a misunderstanding. A cop had to make a life or death choice on the spot and that's a lot of pressure to put on one guy. If the cop felt threatened, he had to make a decision (in this case he made the wrong decision).

I haven't seen a white person shot by the police get this much news coverage...
Can you give a reason why this would be over-hyped without sounding like a callous person?

This is a MURDER. Someone lost their life, a wife is left a widow and children left without a father.

I can agree with you on one point, I would wish for more cop on white situations to be more publicized. I really do, but that is just the result of a vaunted media system that needs severe reformation.

NO he wasn't feeling threatened! Nor was this a misunderstanding! The guy was restrained, he couldn't even move to get out his gun to shoot at the police nor did he even make a move in the first place towards his gun when he was standing in front of the police.

The owner of the property allowed him to sell those CDs! What other reason should the police come to see to the guy?

Zintenka July 8, 2016 at 2:07 AM UTC

The police were called due to the fact that people felt threatened by this man because he had a gun. The man was also being restrained by police, which made him unable to harm the police, let alone reach for a gun. I don't know the full story either, so I can't reach for conclusions, but this is all I know of so far.
Oh, is that why?

You have to realize that this is Louisiana which is an open carry state that allows guns to be displayed fully.

Inside a Walmart you'd often see men with AR-15s strapped to their backs or hips. Those are assault rifles talk less of a pistol that the man restrained and killed by the police had.

I don't know why they would feel threatened meanwhile he had it holstered and they were fully aware of Louisiana's laws. I just don't know how to explain this without seeming like a race-baiter to some people.

I just don't know how.

steven5703 July 8, 2016 at 3:07 AM UTC

Can you give a reason why this would be over-hyped without sounding like a callous person?

This is a MURDER. Someone lost their life, a wife is left a widow and children left without a father.

I can agree with you on one point, I would wish for more cop on white situations to be more publicized. I really do, but that is just the result of a vaunted media system that needs severe reformation.

NO he wasn't feeling threatened! Nor was this a misunderstanding! The guy was restrained, he couldn't even move to get out his gun to shoot at the police nor did he even make a move in the first place towards his gun when he was standing in front of the police.

The owner of the property allowed him to sell those CDs! What other reason should the police come to see to the guy?
Are you asking why its over hyped or how its over hyped?

Yes this is murder and this is terrible. Don't get me wrong, I feel sorry for him and his family, but the peoples reactions to this are insane. Murders happen all the time but you don't see them covered on national news.

Why else would he have shot him then? I really find it hard to believe that this cop really wanted to risk everything he had just to kill one person. Cops are good people.

Read the other posts

DonaldMyTrump July 8, 2016 at 3:07 AM UTC

k bye o/

Zintenka July 8, 2016 at 3:07 AM UTC

I do believe that the majority of police officers are good people who believe in the "To Protect and Serve" motto. All cops are not bad people, lets not get into generalizations. However, it was very, very unnecessary to take this man from his family. On the contrast, who knows what was going through the officers minds. They could have some unheard reason to be afraid as well. I doubt they went about it with malicious intent, they probably thought they were doing the right thing in the moment. The thing that would keep THEM safe. The thing that would let THEM go home and eat with their families. Was it the right choice? Certainly not. Another note, this type of stuff is VERY overhyped by the media. You can't say I'm wrong. For every mishap the police commit that the media report on, there has to be at least 1000 good deeds done by officers. Maybe more. They are not a force for evil.
I can definitely agree with you there, there are tons of good and honest cops in here. And I can understand what you mean by them being worried for going home to THEIR families.

Perhaps they were mulling over how if they had not restrained him quick enough he would've probably shot them and they were overcome with anger? I can understand their worries.

However, doesn't mean that they shouldn't serve punishment.

And it is as I've said before, due to our vaunted and corrupt media system we have these events that overshadow many other things.

Sevoo July 8, 2016 at 3:07 AM UTC

Of course they shouldn't. I'm sure this mistake costed this cop his job and probably his social life.

However, he is a human and nobody is perfect. Like I said cops make many correct decisions and rarely make false decisions.
Ill be perfectly honest with you. I agree.

But, I think both of us agree that this was more than a mistake. 

From im what I gather, the man was selling CDs while carrying a gun, which he had a permit for and was allowed to carry. People weren't comfortable with the man displaying his weapon, which is understandable. They called the police, which in my opinion is a bit much but also a pretty understandable thing to do. Cops come, see the man and tackle him. They look for something and find a gun. One of the cops screams that he has a good, and points it at him. The man starts shouting, and at this point his girlfriend is filming this. The man, with no way to defend himself and restrained, is shot right in front of his girlfriend and son two times.

Number 1 mistake: The cop
shouldve been a lot gentler and tried to handle the situation differently. Only when the man was acting hostile should he react with force.

Number 2 mistake: He shouldn't have taken the gun and pointed it at the man. By that point the man was panicking.

Number 3 mistake: He shouldn't have shot the gun. 

Maybe there are things I was not well informed about but the mistakes the policeman made will stay the same.

Zintenka July 8, 2016 at 3:07 AM UTC

Are you asking why its over hyped or how its over hyped?

Yes this is murder and this is terrible. Don't get me wrong, I feel sorry for him and his family, but the peoples reactions to this are insane. Murders happen all the time but you don't see them covered on national news.

Why else would he have shot him then? I really find it hard to believe that this cop really wanted to risk everything he had just to kill one person. Cops are good people.

Read the other posts
You have to realize that not all cops are good people. Some are festering pieces of human shit that need to be imprisoned.

You have to understand peoples' reactions to this, this is a person who is a public citizen that is expected to protect our rights and lives from people that would wish to destroy those things.

If you cannot even trust individuals such as these then who are you supposed to trust? This is essentially betrayal because they spat on their oaths, their government, the people, everything.

It is expected that a situation like this would get a lot of attention from the public. You'd be more angry and shocked if a family or friend of 20 years were to betray you than your worst enemy doing what is... predictable.

Perhaps he was overreacting or something else? He is an officer of that state which allows for open carry, he is expected to know these things. They've served for 3-4 years, I highly doubt they were ignorant of this law.

If he didn't know these things yet he lived in that state for probably his whole life then why is he a police officer? Why is he even IN Louisiana? Perhaps if he lived somewhere else and did another profession, something like this wouldn't have happened.

There have been occurrences where the police have tried to plant guns onto their victim's body or do self-inflicted damage to themselves. I don't want to assume but maybe they were unaware of their family car which was a little ways away and the area was dark and secluded.

A perfect area to fabricate evidence... maybe.

Now, I ask you... Why else would they've shot him if he was restrained in the first place? Would you shoot a person who is held down by you and one other dude on the floor or would you arrest them?

DonaldMyTrump July 8, 2016 at 3:07 AM UTC

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-databas...
An estimated 3 in 1,000,000 African Americans killed by police.
More specifically since you are from New York here are the statistics from the NYPD firearms discharge report.
https://gyazo.com/61594ff03456710ec65c317822833065
You fears are unfounded.

DonaldMyTrump July 8, 2016 at 3:07 AM UTC

You have to realize that not all cops are good people. Some are festering pieces of human shit that need to be imprisoned.

You have to understand peoples' reactions to this, this is a person who is a public citizen that is expected to protect our rights and lives from people that would wish to destroy those things.

If you cannot even trust individuals such as these then who are you supposed to trust? This is essentially betrayal because they spat on their oaths, their government, the people, everything.

It is expected that a situation like this would get a lot of attention from the public. You'd be more angry and shocked if a family or friend of 20 years were to betray you than your worst enemy doing what is... predictable.

Perhaps he was overreacting or something else? He is an officer of that state which allows for open carry, he is expected to know these things. They've served for 3-4 years, I highly doubt they were ignorant of this law.

If he didn't know these things yet he lived in that state for probably his whole life then why is he a police officer? Why is he even IN Louisiana? Perhaps if he lived somewhere else and did another profession, something like this wouldn't have happened.

There have been occurrences where the police have tried to plant guns onto their victim's body or do self-inflicted damage to themselves. I don't want to assume but maybe they were unaware of their family car which was a little ways away and the area was dark and secluded.

A perfect area to fabricate evidence... maybe.

Now, I ask you... Why else would they've shot him if he was restrained in the first place? Would you shoot a person who is held down by you and one other dude on the floor or would you arrest them?
Yes, some cops are bad people, so are some gardeners, some janitors, some presidents. Here's the thing they can all get guns and somewhat easily.

Numberz_ July 8, 2016 at 3:07 AM UTC

Haven't read all this topic but I just want to state my opinio

Zintenka July 8, 2016 at 4:07 AM UTC

Yes, some cops are bad people, so are some gardeners, some janitors, some presidents. Here's the thing they can all get guns and somewhat easily.
We're not doing this based on race or anything in general, we're talking about a specific incident that happened quite recently.

You have to be really calloused to bring in statistics in a man's death. We're not talking about numbers and we're not talking about ONLY African Americans. We're talking about what happened in this current situation that led to a man's death.

You bring in something that is overall unrelated to this incident - related in the fact that it's police encounters but unrelated in the fact that it's not this specific incident at this moment.

The man was selling CDs and had a right to own a gun in Louisiana.

Also, it's a no-brainer that there are bad people all over... now how do we limit or halt them from getting access to weapons so easily that can kill so easily?

All you're doing right now is just... trying to steer the topic slightly off-track. Seriously.

Zintenka July 8, 2016 at 4:07 AM UTC

Yes, some cops are bad people, so are some gardeners, some janitors, some presidents. Here's the thing they can all get guns and somewhat easily.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRL2r87VdHk

For anyone curious on the video where all this went down here.

Watch from 0:30 - 1:44

Numberz_ July 8, 2016 at 4:07 AM UTC

haven't read all the posts on this topic, but I just wanted to state my opinions. from my own personal view saying Muslims and African Americans are minorities seems a little much. since you're still a fucking human, just because you have a different skin colour or have a different religion you shouldn't be treated differently then anyone else. That being said... you also have to do your part. African Americans especially were treated like shit for hundreds of years as slaves but after that all ended they turned in to homie gangsters shooting each other in the downtowns of big U.S. cities. that's why I don't particularly enjoy the race card being played but police do profile by colour because of the reason I stated above. when you have most black people being apart of gangs they profile it in a way that is unfair. I don't agree with these people losing their live but all the media pisses me off seeing "black lives matter" shit EVERYONES LIFE MATTERS. if you don't want to be treated like a minority stop acting like one, quit playing the fucking race card at every turn. white people get shot every day too, along with blacks. I dont see people parading around saying white lives matter? black lives would matter a lot more if stereotyping and rappers saying nigga every two seconds would stop? our society has caused this not the police. putting cameras on the police isnt going to do squat. its not a police problem its a problem with the society we live in. you saying that you dont feel safe and want to run away is a major overreaction. every place has its problems not just america.

DonaldMyTrump July 8, 2016 at 4:07 AM UTC

We're not doing this based on race or anything in general, we're talking about a specific incident that happened quite recently.

You have to be really calloused to bring in statistics in a man's death. We're not talking about numbers and we're not talking about ONLY African Americans. We're talking about what happened in this current situation that led to a man's death.

You bring in something that is overall unrelated to this incident - related in the fact that it's police encounters but unrelated in the fact that it's not this specific incident at this moment.

The man was selling CDs and had a right to own a gun in Louisiana.

Also, it's a no-brainer that there are bad people all over... now how do we limit or halt them from getting access to weapons so easily that can kill so easily?

All you're doing right now is just... trying to steer the topic slightly off-track. Seriously.
"I don't feel safe in this country anymore, I want to move out now. Not only because of the continuous prejudices I face with my skin color but how the police forces handle situations such as this."

You brought in race and are talking about how you don't think its safe. If you don't think it is safe due to one incident, you need to re-evaluate how you qualify something as a threat to your safety, if on the other hand you believe that police brutality is widespread, I have given you clear evidence rebuking how valid that claim is.

If you want a discussion about this incident and not police brutality as a whole then don't include

"So, on this side note... I feel that this is necessary for multiple reasons. Not only am I Minority who is likely to targeted more often by police forces, I also wish to survive, I want to grow up and have a family... away from such a harsh atmosphere this country continuously exudes.

I'm about to be in college, and I'm one step away from going out into the world on my own.

I want to live. I want to get a future WITHOUT occurrences such as these...

I'm scared shitless right now, what countries would be a good place to live where the laws are fair, free healthcare and the police don't have a mindset akin to a third world country."

Humblares July 8, 2016 at 4:07 AM UTC

I guess I just happens

Zintenka July 8, 2016 at 4:07 AM UTC

haven't read all the posts on this topic, but I just wanted to state my opinions. from my own personal view saying Muslims and African Americans are minorities seems a little much. since you're still a fucking human, just because you have a different skin colour or have a different religion you shouldn't be treated differently then anyone else. That being said... you also have to do your part. African Americans especially were treated like shit for hundreds of years as slaves but after that all ended they turned in to homie gangsters shooting each other in the downtowns of big U.S. cities. that's why I don't particularly enjoy the race card being played but police do profile by colour because of the reason I stated above. when you have most black people being apart of gangs they profile it in a way that is unfair. I don't agree with these people losing their live but all the media pisses me off seeing "black lives matter" shit EVERYONES LIFE MATTERS. if you don't want to be treated like a minority stop acting like one, quit playing the fucking race card at every turn. white people get shot every day too, along with blacks. I dont see people parading around saying white lives matter? black lives would matter a lot more if stereotyping and rappers saying nigga every two seconds would stop? our society has caused this not the police. putting cameras on the police isnt going to do squat. its not a police problem its a problem with the society we live in. you saying that you dont feel safe and want to run away is a major overreaction. every place has its problems not just america.
from my own personal view saying Muslims and African Americans are minorities seems a little much. since you're still a fucking human, just because you have a different skin color or have a different religion you shouldn't be treated differently then anyone else. 

We don't mean minorities in the way that you're thinking, my friend. Minority literally means as it says in terms of population. Pretty soon, Hispanics will be among the majority. Also, I agree with you that everyone should be treated equally.

African Americans especially were treated like shit for hundreds of years as slaves but after that all ended they turned in to homie gangsters shooting each other in the downtowns of big U.S. cities. that's why I don't particularly enjoy the race card being played but police do profile by colour because of the reason I stated above. 

*Snorts* 
It ended? My.. my... my... I didn't even know. The "homie gangsters" started popping up around the 1970s to 1980s due to the poor economic conditions that their families has suffered for generations. Maybe you try solving the problem?

President Nixon's secretary admitted in 2002 or whatever that the War on Drugs was initiated to target Hippies as well as Blacks. We have so many laws and institutions set in place that only benefit the few and make the majority suffer greatly.

when you have most black people being apart of gangs they profile it in a way that is unfair. I don't agree with these people losing their live but all the media pisses me off seeing "black lives matter" shit EVERYONES LIFE MATTERS. if you don't want to be treated like a minority stop acting like one, quit playing the fucking race card at every turn. white people get shot every day too, along with blacks. I dont see people parading around saying white lives matter?

Most blacks part of gangs? You need to rephrase that, pronto. 
I don't necessarily agree with Black Lives Matter but they're the result of continued frustration in result of government, civil and institutional oppression. It's like ISIS, you have to realize that you need to attack it from the source and the US government has been a result of many problems within our world for years now. 60 years now.

It's hard to act like a minority when you're population is lower compared to the more populous ones :/

I agree with the fact that ALL LIVES MATTER. Because it's not only Blacks that suffer but others as well. However, overall whites have it more easy than blacks in terms of applying for a job... meeting new friends... overall day to day actions.

Now, I cannot say this for all of you on here as I seriously do not want to sound ignorant. But most of you guys were not as exposed to the world as much as I was.

I used to get into physical fights in Middle school often or not because of my ethnicity. They'd call me an "African booty scratcher", "Jumungee", "Mud person" or "Mr. Monkuku".

They soon realize that fighting me one on one wasn't really doing anything for them, I still remember breaking a lot of noses and putting people in choke holds... I was never proud of it.

I'd often be targeted by the bus stations by 5 or more people. So don't presume to tell me that we don't really suffer in today's world.

black lives would matter a lot more if stereotyping and rappers saying nigga every two seconds would stop? our society has caused this not the police. putting cameras on the police isnt going to do squat. its not a police problem its a problem with the society we live in. you saying that you dont feel safe and want to run away is a major overreaction. every place has its problems not just america.

Your phrasing is sending me a lot of red flags. I get your intent but please rephrase your sentences "black lives would matter a lot more if". 
I don't get why people say Nigga either, it's a personal pet peeve of my own as well. The police is bred from society. Laws, governments as well as institutions is based around society.

These policemen are citizens of society, by them reciprocating society's teachings they are part of the problem. 

Yes, every place has it's problems however, I don't want to encounter problems in circumstances in which is out of my control. Such as my skin pigmentation.

Also, my brother nearly had an encounter with police just last year when he was on his way to the bus to his college. So I know these things from my own experiences, my family's experiences and the experiences of others.



Zintenka July 8, 2016 at 5:07 AM UTC

"I don't feel safe in this country anymore, I want to move out now. Not only because of the continuous prejudices I face with my skin color but how the police forces handle situations such as this."

You brought in race and are talking about how you don't think its safe. If you don't think it is safe due to one incident, you need to re-evaluate how you qualify something as a threat to your safety, if on the other hand you believe that police brutality is widespread, I have given you clear evidence rebuking how valid that claim is.

If you want a discussion about this incident and not police brutality as a whole then don't include

"So, on this side note... I feel that this is necessary for multiple reasons. Not only am I Minority who is likely to targeted more often by police forces, I also wish to survive, I want to grow up and have a family... away from such a harsh atmosphere this country continuously exudes.

I'm about to be in college, and I'm one step away from going out into the world on my own.

I want to live. I want to get a future WITHOUT occurrences such as these...

I'm scared shitless right now, what countries would be a good place to live where the laws are fair, free healthcare and the police don't have a mindset akin to a third world country."
You brought in race and are talking about how you don't think its safe. If you don't think it is safe due to one incident, you need to re-evaluate how you qualify something as a threat to your safety, if on the other hand you believe that police brutality is widespread, I have given you clear evidence rebuking how valid that claim is.

*Facepalm* I'm speaking about incidents in general! I DO believe police brutality is widespread across all races and creeds.

However, statistically, in terms of overall police encounters and such (Not just murders) minorities have the thinner side of the stick. The over populated prison system is a sentiment of this.

If you want a discussion about this incident and not police brutality as a whole then don't include

You are perhaps right on this point, however this was more over my personal hopes and dreams. America is just a melting pot of inner prejudices and bad decisions.

When I saw the way that the man was killed, I was overcome with emotion because I can imagine that being me or my brothers.


Jahaj July 8, 2016 at 5:07 AM UTC

RIP the police officers in Dallas.

Also the Minnesota one was even worse. He was pulled over for a broken tail light, and he was told to reach for his driver's license, and was then shot, like what the actual fuck.

Arigenn July 8, 2016 at 5:07 AM UTC

Very sad indeed :(

But Zinny, you should move to Canada (we have syrup!)

Numberz_ July 8, 2016 at 5:07 AM UTC

from my own personal view saying Muslims and African Americans are minorities seems a little much. since you're still a fucking human, just because you have a different skin color or have a different religion you shouldn't be treated differently then anyone else. 

We don't mean minorities in the way that you're thinking, my friend. Minority literally means as it says in terms of population. Pretty soon, Hispanics will be among the majority. Also, I agree with you that everyone should be treated equally.

African Americans especially were treated like shit for hundreds of years as slaves but after that all ended they turned in to homie gangsters shooting each other in the downtowns of big U.S. cities. that's why I don't particularly enjoy the race card being played but police do profile by colour because of the reason I stated above. 

*Snorts* 
It ended? My.. my... my... I didn't even know. The "homie gangsters" started popping up around the 1970s to 1980s due to the poor economic conditions that their families has suffered for generations. Maybe you try solving the problem?

President Nixon's secretary admitted in 2002 or whatever that the War on Drugs was initiated to target Hippies as well as Blacks. We have so many laws and institutions set in place that only benefit the few and make the majority suffer greatly.

when you have most black people being apart of gangs they profile it in a way that is unfair. I don't agree with these people losing their live but all the media pisses me off seeing "black lives matter" shit EVERYONES LIFE MATTERS. if you don't want to be treated like a minority stop acting like one, quit playing the fucking race card at every turn. white people get shot every day too, along with blacks. I dont see people parading around saying white lives matter?

Most blacks part of gangs? You need to rephrase that, pronto. 
I don't necessarily agree with Black Lives Matter but they're the result of continued frustration in result of government, civil and institutional oppression. It's like ISIS, you have to realize that you need to attack it from the source and the US government has been a result of many problems within our world for years now. 60 years now.

It's hard to act like a minority when you're population is lower compared to the more populous ones :/

I agree with the fact that ALL LIVES MATTER. Because it's not only Blacks that suffer but others as well. However, overall whites have it more easy than blacks in terms of applying for a job... meeting new friends... overall day to day actions.

Now, I cannot say this for all of you on here as I seriously do not want to sound ignorant. But most of you guys were not as exposed to the world as much as I was.

I used to get into physical fights in Middle school often or not because of my ethnicity. They'd call me an "African booty scratcher", "Jumungee", "Mud person" or "Mr. Monkuku".

They soon realize that fighting me one on one wasn't really doing anything for them, I still remember breaking a lot of noses and putting people in choke holds... I was never proud of it.

I'd often be targeted by the bus stations by 5 or more people. So don't presume to tell me that we don't really suffer in today's world.

black lives would matter a lot more if stereotyping and rappers saying nigga every two seconds would stop? our society has caused this not the police. putting cameras on the police isnt going to do squat. its not a police problem its a problem with the society we live in. you saying that you dont feel safe and want to run away is a major overreaction. every place has its problems not just america.

Your phrasing is sending me a lot of red flags. I get your intent but please rephrase your sentences "black lives would matter a lot more if". 
I don't get why people say Nigga either, it's a personal pet peeve of my own as well. The police is bred from society. Laws, governments as well as institutions is based around society.

These policemen are citizens of society, by them reciprocating society's teachings they are part of the problem. 

Yes, every place has it's problems however, I don't want to encounter problems in circumstances in which is out of my control. Such as my skin pigmentation.

Also, my brother nearly had an encounter with police just last year when he was on his way to the bus to his college. So I know these things from my own experiences, my family's experiences and the experiences of others.


sorry about my phrasing. it sucks that you and your brother had to deal with crap like that because of your skin colour. certain people can be real dicks about that. I do think that singers and media openly using the words "nigga" and "nigger" in songs makes it worse for our society cause it makes people think that racial slurs are something that is okay. and not all black people are members of gangs but a lot are. some of the people I know are members of gangs which makes the police profile them differently.  media is both the cause and helper of our world. at the same time you think its doing good by exposing violence its also causing more unnecessary hate.

Zintenka July 8, 2016 at 5:07 AM UTC

RIP the police officers in Dallas.

Also the Minnesota one was even worse. He was pulled over for a broken tail light, and he was told to reach for his driver's license, and was then shot, like what the actual fuck.
Yes, I was going to get to that one next. I saw the video of that one...

Also, this is what happens when stuff like this happens. It's horrifying and I just wish for it all to stop. People generalize the actions of the few and put it onto the good ones who did nothing wrong.

Zintenka July 8, 2016 at 5:07 AM UTC

Very sad indeed :(

But Zinny, you should move to Canada (we have syrup!)
Yeah, that was one the places I was thinking of moving to since the border is within my state.

Do you guys have polar bears? :>

hasl July 8, 2016 at 5:07 AM UTC

I live in the UK where the majority of police on duty do not carry firearms, only specially trained officers can carry firearms with them.

I'm shocked hearing this story, but Zin, you shouldn't feel like you in danger. I know you can relate to the victim, but America is not a war zone, it's just poor decision making but the cops.

Zintenka July 8, 2016 at 5:07 AM UTC

I live in the UK where the majority of police on duty do not carry firearms, only specially trained officers can carry firearms with them.

I'm shocked hearing this story, but Zin, you shouldn't feel like you in danger. I know you can relate to the victim, but America is not a war zone, it's just poor decision making but the cops.
Yeah... I guess you're right Aura, it's just so worrying what would happen should I encounter police over a simple mistake that I made.

I've nearly drowned last summer and I was very close to dying, I don't want to experience that feeling again.

Hundres July 8, 2016 at 5:07 AM UTC

Big fucking whoop, shit happens, accodents happen. Don't play the race card so often. "I don't feel safe...?" Grow a pair and move on. Police aren't perfect. If that guy was carrying a gun and already served time in jail. Shit happens. Be more worried about Isis...

Zintenka July 8, 2016 at 5:07 AM UTC

Big fucking whoop, shit happens, accodents happen. Don't play the race card so often. "I don't feel safe...?" Grow a pair and move on. Police aren't perfect. If that guy was carrying a gun and already served time in jail. Shit happens. Be more worried about Isis...
Big fucking whoop, shit happens, executions* happen.

So callous, I wonder what you would say if your father was executed in front of you. No, this wasn't an accident because he was restrained. It was an execution.

Don't play the race card so often. "I don't feel safe...?" Grow a pair and move on. Police aren't perfect.

Yeah but I don't feel safe, I often times witness these events myself. Right, because putting a heavily flawed person in a position of power and the ability to kill multiple people quite easily is not a big deal.

Also, those who often times tell others to grow pairs are often lacking ones themselves.

If that guy was carrying a gun and already served time in jail. Shit happens. Be more worried about Isis...

Cool. "Shit happens" right? What if that shit happens no more when you're dead, my friend.

I'm more likely to be killed by a crazy cop, a murder, a car or my aged neighbor who exudes an aura that is awfully similar to that of a pedophile (Why does he want to hug me? Why did he try to kiss me? Urgh!) than a guy who can somehow make explosives in his apartment or backyard and scream to the top of his lungs and blow everything to bloody hell.

The last terrorist attack on US soil was the boston bombings I believe. The massacre in that nightclub was not a terrorist attack. It was just a guy who lived in a hating household, with a hating father and he hated himself for being homosexual. He only declared allegiance to ISIS after he started killing and he did it because of pressures his religion weighed upon his mind.

GrapeSmoothie July 8, 2016 at 5:07 AM UTC

Big fucking whoop, shit happens, accodents happen. Don't play the race card so often. "I don't feel safe...?" Grow a pair and move on. Police aren't perfect. If that guy was carrying a gun and already served time in jail. Shit happens. Be more worried about Isis...
"If that guy was carrying a gun and already served time in jail. Shit happens" I don't understand this >.>

Zintenka July 8, 2016 at 6:07 AM UTC

"If that guy was carrying a gun and already served time in jail. Shit happens" I don't understand this >.>
Me neither...

Oraporo July 8, 2016 at 6:07 AM UTC

Me neither...
Yeah I get, the police fucked up. Your acting like there coming for you next. Like fuck people make mistakes. Your acting a little nutty, like the world is now collapsing. I get it I feel bad for the guy, but when a white guy dies, everyone feels bad, but nobody goes nuts. A black guy dies, everyone looses their minds. Everyone acts like black people are always getting picked on 24/7. I'm pretty sure that's not the truth. What about Isis? There slaughtering tons of people around the world, and your freaking out about  a cop making a mistake about one person. Come on....

Hundres July 8, 2016 at 6:07 AM UTC

"If that guy was carrying a gun and already served time in jail. Shit happens" I don't understand this >.>
What I'm saying is the guy doesn't seem like the best guy in the world, if he's already served jail time. I guess the cops felt a little like the guy could cause a big problem when he's carrying around a gun.  So they felt like they had to deal with this guy. But in his defence, I think it was too harsh to kill him just like that.

GrapeSmoothie July 8, 2016 at 6:07 AM UTC

What I'm saying is the guy doesn't seem like the best guy in the world, if he's already served jail time. I guess the cops felt a little like the guy could cause a big problem when he's carrying around a gun.  So they felt like they had to deal with this guy. But in his defence, I think it was too harsh to kill him just like that.
The messed up thing about the situation is yea he was carrying a gun but he had a permit to like a lot of other people also he wasn't able to grab the gun so killing him was pretty pointless and a bit overkill if you shoot him in the chest 4 times :/

Hundres July 8, 2016 at 6:07 AM UTC

The messed up thing about the situation is yea he was carrying a gun but he had a permit to like a lot of other people also he wasn't able to grab the gun so killing him was pretty pointless and a bit overkill if you shoot him in the chest 4 times :/
Ya I get they went a little overboard on killing him, but it isn't the end of the world.

Hundres July 8, 2016 at 6:07 AM UTC

Big fucking whoop, shit happens, executions* happen.

So callous, I wonder what you would say if your father was executed in front of you. No, this wasn't an accident because he was restrained. It was an execution.

Don't play the race card so often. "I don't feel safe...?" Grow a pair and move on. Police aren't perfect.

Yeah but I don't feel safe, I often times witness these events myself. Right, because putting a heavily flawed person in a position of power and the ability to kill multiple people quite easily is not a big deal.

Also, those who often times tell others to grow pairs are often lacking ones themselves.

If that guy was carrying a gun and already served time in jail. Shit happens. Be more worried about Isis...

Cool. "Shit happens" right? What if that shit happens no more when you're dead, my friend.

I'm more likely to be killed by a crazy cop, a murder, a car or my aged neighbor who exudes an aura that is awfully similar to that of a pedophile (Why does he want to hug me? Why did he try to kiss me? Urgh!) than a guy who can somehow make explosives in his apartment or backyard and scream to the top of his lungs and blow everything to bloody hell.

The last terrorist attack on US soil was the boston bombings I believe. The massacre in that nightclub was not a terrorist attack. It was just a guy who lived in a hating household, with a hating father and he hated himself for being homosexual. He only declared allegiance to ISIS after he started killing and he did it because of pressures his religion weighed upon his mind.
As you said, you're 17 turning 18, your a man. If your getting scared about this you need to grow a pair. Unless your walking around with a gun, I don't think the police are gonna give a shit about you.

Oraporo July 8, 2016 at 6:07 AM UTC

As you said, you're 17 turning 18, your a man. If your getting scared about this you need to grow a pair. Unless your walking around with a gun, I don't think the police are gonna give a shit about you.
Amen.

Oraporo July 8, 2016 at 6:07 AM UTC

haven't read all the posts on this topic, but I just wanted to state my opinions. from my own personal view saying Muslims and African Americans are minorities seems a little much. since you're still a fucking human, just because you have a different skin colour or have a different religion you shouldn't be treated differently then anyone else. That being said... you also have to do your part. African Americans especially were treated like shit for hundreds of years as slaves but after that all ended they turned in to homie gangsters shooting each other in the downtowns of big U.S. cities. that's why I don't particularly enjoy the race card being played but police do profile by colour because of the reason I stated above. when you have most black people being apart of gangs they profile it in a way that is unfair. I don't agree with these people losing their live but all the media pisses me off seeing "black lives matter" shit EVERYONES LIFE MATTERS. if you don't want to be treated like a minority stop acting like one, quit playing the fucking race card at every turn. white people get shot every day too, along with blacks. I dont see people parading around saying white lives matter? black lives would matter a lot more if stereotyping and rappers saying nigga every two seconds would stop? our society has caused this not the police. putting cameras on the police isnt going to do squat. its not a police problem its a problem with the society we live in. you saying that you dont feel safe and want to run away is a major overreaction. every place has its problems not just america.
*drops mic*

FrozenSolstice July 8, 2016 at 7:07 AM UTC

If you don't feel safe, take up martial arts or buy a gun of your own when you're old enough.

Yes, a man was murdered, and he happened to be black. It's unknown of the officer was doing it because of his skin, or if there was another underlying reason. I wouldn't go pulling out the race card without knowing the TOTAL story. Anyway, I'm sure you wouldn't be making an issue about this if a white man was murdered. I realise that I am coming across as harsh and nonchalant, and I apologise if I insult you in any way.

On another note, you mentioned that your neighbour is displaying pedophillic actions towards you. I suggest telling someone and avoiding him.


Just my two cents.

Hundres July 8, 2016 at 7:07 AM UTC

^^ couldn't agree more

Zintenka July 8, 2016 at 7:07 AM UTC

If you don't feel safe, take up martial arts or buy a gun of your own when you're old enough.

Yes, a man was murdered, and he happened to be black. It's unknown of the officer was doing it because of his skin, or if there was another underlying reason. I wouldn't go pulling out the race card without knowing the TOTAL story. Anyway, I'm sure you wouldn't be making an issue about this if a white man was murdered. I realise that I am coming across as harsh and nonchalant, and I apologise if I insult you in any way.

On another note, you mentioned that your neighbour is displaying pedophillic actions towards you. I suggest telling someone and avoiding him.


Just my two cents.
If you don't feel safe, take up martial arts or buy a gun of your own when you're old enough.

I can already fight good enough. It's just that what good would either of these do for me if I were to get into a situation like the two men who died recently?

My 11th grade english/social studies teacher said that he encountered some trouble with the police when he was in college. He gave me advice that all I need to do is cooperate.

However, according to the second man that was killed... even cooperating has a chance of getting you killed if the cops think that you have a gun in your pocket.

Nay, I'm not really acting like they're coming for me but the thing is that I can definitely relate to his situation considering that the amount of racism I've encountered over my lifetime has been one too many.

I guess I am overreacting a bit in terms of this effecting me personally... I can agree on this. But I find it unfair how many men carry AR-15s in populated areas such as Walmart and etc but a guy has a simple pistol he gets executed in front of his family.

I wouldn't go pulling out the race card without knowing the TOTAL story. Anyway, I'm sure you wouldn't be making an issue about this if a white man was murdered. I realise that I am coming across as harsh and nonchalant, and I apologise if I insult you in any way.

I already know the full story, the shop owner had given the man permission to sell CDs within his property and some people walking by felt threatened that the man had a gun on him meanwhile Louisiana is an open carry state. 

People carry around AR-15s and shotguns wide open on their backs. This guy had a pistol.

He was merely standing around with the two officers in front of him when suddenly one of them tackled him.

If I say that the cops were being racist then I'm a race-baiter, If I say they were mentally retarded I'm being too harsh on the cops, If I say that the cops were bad men I am told to not generalize even though I was specifically talking in regards to the cops in the video.

What do you guys want from me? To keep silent?

Of course I would've made an issue if a white man, a spanish man or a muslim man was killed. If it were by the hands of police I'd be even more worried about this because police are individuals who were trusted with the power to arrest and convict a person for crimes.

They have the power to easily kill and/or ruin a person's life. How can I trust the people meant to protect us when there's a chance that a fair amount of them are criminals?

I feel that you've made an assumption on me with this one... I have a lot of white friends IRL and I treat them all equally.

I only made an issue with this one because in the span of a few days two men were killed, both for very minute reasons. Something that you wouldn't even expect to be killed for.

And now, because of the actions of these idiot cops, 11 were sniped in Texas with 3 or 4 dead. It's a fucking cycle.

You did hurt me a little bit with this one, but it's okay. I understand your intent.

Zegita July 8, 2016 at 9:07 AM UTC

this is why America should get rid of the gun law then smh

come to UK mandems get stabbed on the streets

Crimson_Aught July 8, 2016 at 10:07 AM UTC

Let's don't forget, who allows guns and killing. *looking toward the Washington* Your government. And who doesn't want to prohibit that. Your government. And which army entered Ferguson. Wow, third match, your government :D
People got right - people kill each other. 
Government is ok with that. Gg

_DipperPines July 8, 2016 at 11:07 AM UTC

It was a MISTAKE.

His skin color was just a coincidence.

It could happen to anyone.

_DipperPines July 8, 2016 at 11:07 AM UTC

"If that guy was carrying a gun and already served time in jail. Shit happens" I don't understand this >.>
I think he is trying to say that if the guy was in jail, and now has a gun, it doesn't look good so a confrontation may arise.

_DipperPines July 8, 2016 at 11:07 AM UTC

Let's don't forget, who allows guns and killing. *looking toward the Washington* Your government. And who doesn't want to prohibit that. Your government. And which army entered Ferguson. Wow, third match, your government :D
People got right - people kill each other. 
Government is ok with that. Gg
....not how it works. The current government wants to prohibit guns. They what to enforce gun control, which may I add, is against our Constitution.

awesome_apricot July 8, 2016 at 11:07 AM UTC

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-databas...
An estimated 3 in 1,000,000 African Americans killed by police.
More specifically since you are from New York here are the statistics from the NYPD firearms discharge report.
https://gyazo.com/61594ff03456710ec65c317822833065
You fears are unfounded.
You need to look at those statistic proportionally. 

Just over 10% of the USA's population is of a black ethnicity. 

Therefore 10% of the people being included in those statistic 22% of the time really does make a huge difference. 

You'd need to look at the number of white people killed per white population, not just overall population to see whether there is any true correlation between ethnicity and deaths. 

To the OP, 
Just take what Martin Luther King Jr said: 


awesome_apricot July 8, 2016 at 11:07 AM UTC

As you said, you're 17 turning 18, your a man. If your getting scared about this you need to grow a pair. Unless your walking around with a gun, I don't think the police are gonna give a shit about you.
It is an Americans right to be able to bare arms, correct? 

So why should they be scared of their own laws?

ElementalAssasin July 8, 2016 at 11:07 AM UTC

Canada has strict gun laws 
Canada has free healthcare 
Canada has FUCKING POLAR BEARSS!!!!
ye i think Canada is the better country here

_DipperPines July 8, 2016 at 11:07 AM UTC

Canada has strict gun laws 
Canada has free healthcare 
Canada has FUCKING POLAR BEARSS!!!!
ye i think Canada is the better country here
That sound horrible.
Gun Control
Free Healthcare

I thought it couldn't get worse than the U.S

Sevoo July 8, 2016 at 1:07 PM UTC

Big fucking whoop, shit happens, accodents happen. Don't play the race card so often. "I don't feel safe...?" Grow a pair and move on. Police aren't perfect. If that guy was carrying a gun and already served time in jail. Shit happens. Be more worried about Isis...
How are we going to protect our country from other people when we can't even protect ourselves from other people in our country, much less that "protect" our country. No offence, but you're being ignorant as fuck. Go tell the family, that's a girlfriend and a son which I'm pretty sure was a toddler to "grow a pair".

Hundres July 8, 2016 at 2:07 PM UTC

How are we going to protect our country from other people when we can't even protect ourselves from other people in our country, much less that "protect" our country. No offence, but you're being ignorant as fuck. Go tell the family, that's a girlfriend and a son which I'm pretty sure was a toddler to "grow a pair".
5 officers just got shot and 7 injured last night... What do you gotta say about that..?

Oraporo July 8, 2016 at 2:07 PM UTC

All 5 died

DonaldMyTrump July 8, 2016 at 2:07 PM UTC

You need to look at those statistic proportionally. 

Just over 10% of the USA's population is of a black ethnicity. 

Therefore 10% of the people being included in those statistic 22% of the time really does make a huge difference. 

You'd need to look at the number of white people killed per white population, not just overall population to see whether there is any true correlation between ethnicity and deaths. 

To the OP, 
Just take what Martin Luther King Jr said: 

Actually you need to take a look at the statistics proportionally to the correct location.

The second set of statistics are for NYPD only as stated. In NYC the population is 25% Black and therefore it comes in just under the percentage of the population. 

Also note that while, 67% of gun related violence against police in NYC comes from black Americans, only that 22% of people killed by NYPD are black. Therefore, despite clear evidence that black people in NYC cause more gunfights their average amount of deaths is the only statistic that actually comes under their average percentage among the top three races in NYC: white,black and hispanic. According to these statistics therefore, NYPD are very unsafe around black people, whereas black people are safer than the average NYC citizen in terms of deaths.

Please note the statistics are from NYC because Zin is from NYC and claims he doesn't feel safe

Sevoo July 8, 2016 at 2:07 PM UTC

5 officers just got shot and 7 injured last night... What do you gotta say about that..?
I just found out about that 30 minutes ago. My opinion does not change. But it also brings up another one of my opinions.

The world is a fucked up place.

Also, how does that statement defend your argument? If anything it should support my argument. It's simply the domino effect. One person gets killed and five others get killed because of it. Another reason why that policeman probably made the biggest mistake of his life.

Hundres July 8, 2016 at 3:07 PM UTC

I just found out about that 30 minutes ago. My opinion does not change. But it also brings up another one of my opinions.

The world is a fucked up place.

Also, how does that statement defend your argument? If anything it should support my argument. It's simply the domino effect. One person gets killed and five others get killed because of it. Another reason why that policeman probably made the biggest mistake of his life.
What I was saying is that when this black guy just got killed, there's a big forum post about it and everyone goes nuts, 5 cops just got killed and nobody makes a post about it. As I have said before, the cop screwed up  but nobody is perfect.

Sevoo July 8, 2016 at 4:07 PM UTC

What I was saying is that when this black guy just got killed, there's a big forum post about it and everyone goes nuts, 5 cops just got killed and nobody makes a post about it. As I have said before, the cop screwed up  but nobody is perfect.
I was going to post about the cops being killed but you replied to me before I could. But I guess you have a point.

BmB July 8, 2016 at 4:07 PM UTC

Americaaaa fuck yeaaa

Juanooo July 8, 2016 at 4:07 PM UTC

You're all clueless and basing your statements out of something you didn't live. You can't just take 1 side of the plot by merely looking at a video (Which doesn't show what happened a significantly amount of time before the issue). Leave it like that, talking about it won't change what happened plus, I'm pretty sure none of the news programms would've given this much of a deal to what happened if the person being killed was white.

AsianPear July 8, 2016 at 8:07 PM UTC

You're all clueless and basing your statements out of something you didn't live. You can't just take 1 side of the plot by merely looking at a video (Which doesn't show what happened a significantly amount of time before the issue). Leave it like that, talking about it won't change what happened plus, I'm pretty sure none of the news programms would've given this much of a deal to what happened if the person being killed was white.
Talking about it won't change what happened, yes, but slowly bringing people to awareness about these kind of things, revealing new horizons and altering opinions will change the future. Stuff like this is going to happen again, and again. If you look at situations like you currently are, then the world will stagnate. Like previously said before me, the problem is in society, and only society can change themselves.  

Zintenka July 8, 2016 at 9:07 PM UTC

What I was saying is that when this black guy just got killed, there's a big forum post about it and everyone goes nuts, 5 cops just got killed and nobody makes a post about it. As I have said before, the cop screwed up  but nobody is perfect.
I would've but I already made a post about this one. If I made three posts for three issues that happened that relate I'd just be spamming.

I did mention the 11 police officers that were sniped in Texas. The actions of bad and idiot cops will only make the good and neutral cops suffer. It's the cycle that I'm talking about.

And... I want to be far away from that since there's still so many people like you here who are either oblivious and ignorant to what is happening or there are people who know exactly what is going but just don't really care.

I'm telling you, with people that have a mindset such as your's nothing will change.

Everything will stay stagnant and more people will die as a result. Why are you so content with the current system in place?

FrozenSolstice July 8, 2016 at 9:07 PM UTC

I would've but I already made a post about this one. If I made three posts for three issues that happened that relate I'd just be spamming.

I did mention the 11 police officers that were sniped in Texas. The actions of bad and idiot cops will only make the good and neutral cops suffer. It's the cycle that I'm talking about.

And... I want to be far away from that since there's still so many people like you here who are either oblivious and ignorant to what is happening or there are people who know exactly what is going but just don't really care.

I'm telling you, with people that have a mindset such as your's nothing will change.

Everything will stay stagnant and more people will die as a result. Why are you so content with the current system in place?
Some people are content with current systems since it's not affecting them.

Being honest, I think a lot of changes need to be made. Mindsets need to be changed, gun laws need to be revised and thought about and much more. It's easier said than done though, sadly. Id love to snap my fingers and change this, but it won't happen that easily. Many people are brought up to fear what's different, such as the LGBT+ community and people of different race and religion. That's a mindset of the narrow minded, and we all know how hard it is to convince those in that mindset to change.

Hundres July 8, 2016 at 9:07 PM UTC

I would've but I already made a post about this one. If I made three posts for three issues that happened that relate I'd just be spamming.

I did mention the 11 police officers that were sniped in Texas. The actions of bad and idiot cops will only make the good and neutral cops suffer. It's the cycle that I'm talking about.

And... I want to be far away from that since there's still so many people like you here who are either oblivious and ignorant to what is happening or there are people who know exactly what is going but just don't really care.

I'm telling you, with people that have a mindset such as your's nothing will change.

Everything will stay stagnant and more people will die as a result. Why are you so content with the current system in place?
Because how many times does something like this happen a year..? Like barely any. One thing like this won't change your day to day life.  Also, instead of making a forum post about your life, and saying your scared and stuff, next time just make a post saying ; "I'll keep this family in my thoughts and prayers."  Something like that.

Hundres July 8, 2016 at 9:07 PM UTC

I was going to post about the cops being killed but you replied to me before I could. But I guess you have a point.
Everyone has their points, I agree with things you said and also disagree. Everyone has their opinions, I'm done arguing with you guys, you seem like nice people so I don't want to cause anymore problems.

Zintenka July 8, 2016 at 10:07 PM UTC

Because how many times does something like this happen a year..? Like barely any. One thing like this won't change your day to day life.  Also, instead of making a forum post about your life, and saying your scared and stuff, next time just make a post saying ; "I'll keep this family in my thoughts and prayers."  Something like that.
No, but I can encounter a similar situation like the two men that were murdered in the future. Whether tomorrow or a decade from now.

That feels over used and whatnot, too many people saying that likeness of "thoughts and prayers", I didn't want to seem like I did this for attention. I did this because I genuinely am scared of how dangerous things like this happen can possibly effect me.

You may not realize it, but things like this can definitely effect you too. New legislation that will limit your freedoms and whatnot?

The Patriot Act was a direct result of something that may or may not personally effect you, but legislation was introduced that basically shat on everyone's privacy - and yes, your's included.

Because how many times does something like this happen a year..? Like barely any. 

Really?

Just a month or two ago, a Chinese officer did police brutality against a man - forgot what it was about but the offficer was left off the hook with a meager community service meanwhile what he did would warrant at least a four-year prison sentence.

And yes, this was in New York - specifically Brooklyn. The whole borough and a healthy portion of other boroughs were angered by the police chief's actions and the officer in the hot seat.

You need to open your eyes and ears. This uncaring and oblivious attitude will do a lot of harm to you in the future.

Hundres July 8, 2016 at 10:07 PM UTC

No, but I can encounter a similar situation like the two men that were murdered in the future. Whether tomorrow or a decade from now.

That feels over used and whatnot, too many people saying that likeness of "thoughts and prayers", I didn't want to seem like I did this for attention. I did this because I genuinely am scared of how dangerous things like this happen can possibly effect me.

You may not realize it, but things like this can definitely effect you too. New legislation that will limit your freedoms and whatnot?

The Patriot Act was a direct result of something that may or may not personally effect you, but legislation was introduced that basically shat on everyone's privacy - and yes, your's included.

Because how many times does something like this happen a year..? Like barely any. 

Really?

Just a month or two ago, a Chinese officer did police brutality against a man - forgot what it was about but the offficer was left off the hook with a meager community service meanwhile what he did would warrant at least a four-year prison sentence.

And yes, this was in New York - specifically Brooklyn. The whole borough and a healthy portion of other boroughs were angered by the police chief's actions and the officer in the hot seat.

You need to open your eyes and ears. This uncaring and oblivious attitude will do a lot of harm to you in the future.
How many times does it happen that affects 'you.' Not much at all... If something happens in China, that's their problem unless it something huge. 
My eyes and ears work perfectly and I'm sticking with my thoughts and opinions, as your probably already know, I don't agree with most of your opinions. I'm not oblivious to the situation, I'm just not making a big deal about it like you are. The guy died, it was a bad call by the cop, but move on man. Stop making this a massive problem,  Like unless your involved, there's no need to get so defensive about what I say about your opinions.

Oraporo July 8, 2016 at 10:07 PM UTC

No, but I can encounter a similar situation like the two men that were murdered in the future. Whether tomorrow or a decade from now.

That feels over used and whatnot, too many people saying that likeness of "thoughts and prayers", I didn't want to seem like I did this for attention. I did this because I genuinely am scared of how dangerous things like this happen can possibly effect me.

You may not realize it, but things like this can definitely effect you too. New legislation that will limit your freedoms and whatnot?

The Patriot Act was a direct result of something that may or may not personally effect you, but legislation was introduced that basically shat on everyone's privacy - and yes, your's included.

Because how many times does something like this happen a year..? Like barely any. 

Really?

Just a month or two ago, a Chinese officer did police brutality against a man - forgot what it was about but the offficer was left off the hook with a meager community service meanwhile what he did would warrant at least a four-year prison sentence.

And yes, this was in New York - specifically Brooklyn. The whole borough and a healthy portion of other boroughs were angered by the police chief's actions and the officer in the hot seat.

You need to open your eyes and ears. This uncaring and oblivious attitude will do a lot of harm to you in the future.
How will Hundres' attitude do harm in the future...? Some things your saying are pretty fucking dramatic. Take it down a notch, or two... Like stop taking offence in every little thing, everyone has their own opinions. If your that in secure about what he's saying, about this? then fuck... Your gonna have problems later in life..

Zintenka July 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM UTC

@Hundres How many times does it happen that affects 'you.' Not much at all... If something happens in China, that's their problem unless it something huge. 

No, it won't effect 'me' much besides destabilizing the world economy since China holds most of the rare earth minerals in the world and since most things in the US is manufactured in China...

My eyes and ears work perfectly and I'm sticking with my thoughts and opinions, as your probably already know, I don't agree with most of your opinions. I'm not oblivious to the situation, I'm just not making a big deal about it like you are.

Of course, you're entitled to your opinion. Now I'm simply telling you to do a little more research - telling someone to grow a pair when the same could possibly happen to them is not really a good way to state your opinion, my friend ;)

You may not take in the sight of someone being killed in the same way a lot of others do (Which is quite morbid) but that's you... fine.

The guy died, it was a bad call by the cop, but move on man. Stop making this a massive problem,  Like unless your involved, there's no need to get so defensive about what I say about your opinions.

The incident happened a few days ago with another one happening very recently. I'd understand if you were dogging on me for bringing up Christina Grimmie or the horrible mass shooting that recently happened a little ways away by now (Even though you'd be heavily scrutinized because 49 people were killed) but these happened literally within this week and 11 officers were sniped in Texas, I think that I'm allowed to talk about it for now.

I wouldn't be so "defensive" about your opinions if the way you barged into the conversation was a little bit more respectful. (All I did was just point out your callous demeanor and told you to be more aware)

@Oraporo I'm not saying that his attitude will do harm to me or anyone else for that matter, only to himself. The uncaring and callous attitude will cause him to run into complications later in life that he could've avoided if he just cared a little more.

I'm not really taking offense to what he said, I'm only pointing out that he needs to do a little more research into the world before saying things such as this. These cases may not be reported as much but these cases happen inside the US almost every month - especially in New York and many other states.

Perhaps I may or may not run into later complications in life, but I'm definitely very prepared and aware enough should they come to pass.

Juanooo July 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM UTC

Talking about it won't change what happened, yes, but slowly bringing people to awareness about these kind of things, revealing new horizons and altering opinions will change the future. Stuff like this is going to happen again, and again. If you look at situations like you currently are, then the world will stagnate. Like previously said before me, the problem is in society, and only society can change themselves.  
Cause you're totally bringing people to awareness by talking about this on a Minecraft forum, If you're really into changing this matter then organize a speech aimed to a major audience cause this ain't helping at all here.

Oraporo July 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM UTC

@Hundres How many times does it happen that affects 'you.' Not much at all... If something happens in China, that's their problem unless it something huge. 

No, it won't effect 'me' much besides destabilizing the world economy since China holds most of the rare earth minerals in the world and since most things in the US is manufactured in China...

My eyes and ears work perfectly and I'm sticking with my thoughts and opinions, as your probably already know, I don't agree with most of your opinions. I'm not oblivious to the situation, I'm just not making a big deal about it like you are.

Of course, you're entitled to your opinion. Now I'm simply telling you to do a little more research - telling someone to grow a pair when the same could possibly happen to them is not really a good way to state your opinion, my friend ;)

You may not take in the sight of someone being killed in the same way a lot of others do (Which is quite morbid) but that's you... fine.

The guy died, it was a bad call by the cop, but move on man. Stop making this a massive problem,  Like unless your involved, there's no need to get so defensive about what I say about your opinions.

The incident happened a few days ago with another one happening very recently. I'd understand if you were dogging on me for bringing up Christina Grimmie or the horrible mass shooting that recently happened a little ways away by now (Even though you'd be heavily scrutinized because 49 people were killed) but these happened literally within this week and 11 officers were sniped in Texas, I think that I'm allowed to talk about it for now.

I wouldn't be so "defensive" about your opinions if the way you barged into the conversation was a little bit more respectful. (All I did was just point out your callous demeanor and told you to be more aware)

@Oraporo I'm not saying that his attitude will do harm to me or anyone else for that matter, only to himself. The uncaring and callous attitude will cause him to run into complications later in life that he could've avoided if he just cared a little more.

I'm not really taking offense to what he said, I'm only pointing out that he needs to do a little more research into the world before saying things such as this. These cases may not be reported as much but these cases happen inside the US almost every month - especially in New York and many other states.

Perhaps I may or may not run into later complications in life, but I'm definitely very prepared and aware enough should they come to pass.
Alright, fair. Lets leave this conversation at that. I'm not saying anymore I respect what you said. You seem like a guys who knows a lot, I'm done with this forum post. I'm not trying to make enemies.

Hundres July 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM UTC

@Hundres How many times does it happen that affects 'you.' Not much at all... If something happens in China, that's their problem unless it something huge. 

No, it won't effect 'me' much besides destabilizing the world economy since China holds most of the rare earth minerals in the world and since most things in the US is manufactured in China...

My eyes and ears work perfectly and I'm sticking with my thoughts and opinions, as your probably already know, I don't agree with most of your opinions. I'm not oblivious to the situation, I'm just not making a big deal about it like you are.

Of course, you're entitled to your opinion. Now I'm simply telling you to do a little more research - telling someone to grow a pair when the same could possibly happen to them is not really a good way to state your opinion, my friend ;)

You may not take in the sight of someone being killed in the same way a lot of others do (Which is quite morbid) but that's you... fine.

The guy died, it was a bad call by the cop, but move on man. Stop making this a massive problem,  Like unless your involved, there's no need to get so defensive about what I say about your opinions.

The incident happened a few days ago with another one happening very recently. I'd understand if you were dogging on me for bringing up Christina Grimmie or the horrible mass shooting that recently happened a little ways away by now (Even though you'd be heavily scrutinized because 49 people were killed) but these happened literally within this week and 11 officers were sniped in Texas, I think that I'm allowed to talk about it for now.

I wouldn't be so "defensive" about your opinions if the way you barged into the conversation was a little bit more respectful. (All I did was just point out your callous demeanor and told you to be more aware)

@Oraporo I'm not saying that his attitude will do harm to me or anyone else for that matter, only to himself. The uncaring and callous attitude will cause him to run into complications later in life that he could've avoided if he just cared a little more.

I'm not really taking offense to what he said, I'm only pointing out that he needs to do a little more research into the world before saying things such as this. These cases may not be reported as much but these cases happen inside the US almost every month - especially in New York and many other states.

Perhaps I may or may not run into later complications in life, but I'm definitely very prepared and aware enough should they come to pass.
Ya I get it, maybe my first post was a little aggressive towards you, I get your opinions and everyone has their own. I'm gonna  stick with my guns on the debate, We may not agree with each other but I still do respect your opinions. I'm done arguing. As Oraporo said, I'm not trying to make enemies.

Zintenka July 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM UTC

Alright, fair. Lets leave this conversation at that. I'm not saying anymore I respect what you said. You seem like a guys who knows a lot, I'm done with this forum post. I'm not trying to make enemies.
I'm.. not.. trying to make you an enemy...

Oraporo July 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM UTC

I'm.. not.. trying to make you an enemy...
Then..drop.. The discussion....

Sevoo July 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM UTC

Everyone has their points, I agree with things you said and also disagree. Everyone has their opinions, I'm done arguing with you guys, you seem like nice people so I don't want to cause anymore problems.
Everyone has their own opinions. I don't blame you for expressing them.

Zintenka July 9, 2016 at 12:07 AM UTC

Everyone has their own opinions. I don't blame you for expressing them.
No one is saying that he can't express them, but don't do it in a way that tries to belittle someone.

jracer15 July 9, 2016 at 12:07 AM UTC

Ok I want to say something about this.  This country does a bad job of making things a us versus them situation.  I wish Black Lives Matters was Pro justice and less anti police.  Because as much as they are wrong of  making this seem cops are terrible they are also not wrong this happens too often and people shouldn't feel the police don't have their best attention.  Now I heard a post saying body cameras don't do shit, they actually do a lot http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/police-body-camera-study_us_561d2ea1e4b028dd7ea53a56 I saw this thing on the Daily Show where in Las Vega their police department acknowledge a problem with police brutality and police complaint went down 36%.  We as a nation need to do better at listening.  Just because they say black lives matter DOESN'T mean they think they are more important or they are don't care about other  ones, that's just assuming.  I u derstand these officers made mistakes but please, instead of justifying why someone had to lose their life, why friends, families, sons, and daughters no longer have their loved ones to these stupid and unnessary accidents is kind of ridiculous.  I think we need to stop making it a race issue, I think we to stop making it a police are evil issue.  I think we honestly just to make the right steps to get better.  To listen to the other side.  The cops that were killed from that sniper disgusts me because these men who serve their lives for those loose them.  You cannot disagree there is a fundemental issue in our policing system.  One of those examples was the stop and frisk program which basically said "If you get question anybody without justification". causing many minority group frisked without real justification http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/13/nypd-stop-and-frisks-15-shocking-facts_n_1513362.html Look this should be a bipartisan issue, we shouldn't justify innocent people loosing their lives. There must be justice to all that are innocent,  and Zinktenka, I'm also black I learn to don't always listen to the media because the place nicer than what they say and if you live with conviction and passion for something these things don't bog you down.

AsianPear July 9, 2016 at 12:07 AM UTC

Cause you're totally bringing people to awareness by talking about this on a Minecraft forum, If you're really into changing this matter then organize a speech aimed to a major audience cause this ain't helping at all here.
That's the kind of attitude that hinders societal advancement. Reaching out to the few people that will read this forum is victory enough for me. What's wrong with talking about it here? If you don't like it, how come you've commented? Seems like all you're trying to do is rain on the parade.

Zintenka July 9, 2016 at 12:07 AM UTC

Ok I want to say something about this.  This country does a bad job of making things a us versus them situation.  I wish Black Lives Matters was Pro justice and less anti police.  Because as much as they are wrong of  making this seem cops are terrible they are also not wrong this happens too often and people shouldn't feel the police don't have their best attention.  Now I heard a post saying body cameras don't do shit, they actually do a lot http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/police-body-camera-study_us_561d2ea1e4b028dd7ea53a56 I saw this thing on the Daily Show where in Las Vega their police department acknowledge a problem with police brutality and police complaint went down 36%.  We as a nation need to do better at listening.  Just because they say black lives matter DOESN'T mean they think they are more important or they are don't care about other  ones, that's just assuming.  I u derstand these officers made mistakes but please, instead of justifying why someone had to lose their life, why friends, families, sons, and daughters no longer have their loved ones to these stupid and unnessary accidents is kind of ridiculous.  I think we need to stop making it a race issue, I think we to stop making it a police are evil issue.  I think we honestly just to make the right steps to get better.  To listen to the other side.  The cops that were killed from that sniper disgusts me because these men who serve their lives for those loose them.  You cannot disagree there is a fundemental issue in our policing system.  One of those examples was the stop and frisk program which basically said "If you get question anybody without justification". causing many minority group frisked without real justification http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/13/nypd-stop-and-frisks-15-shocking-facts_n_1513362.html Look this should be a bipartisan issue, we shouldn't justify innocent people loosing their lives. There must be justice to all that are innocent,  and Zinktenka, I'm also black I learn to don't always listen to the media because the place nicer than what they say and if you live with conviction and passion for something these things don't bog you down.
A little confusing to read but I got the gist of it down, I'll make sure to take your advice to heart man.

I admit that these events have been weighing me down a bit, It's just that I just can't comprehend... why someone would just... do this to another person? Like, what do you get out of it?

Why? I just can't understand what would cause someone to murder someone like this? For what reason?

I really don't want to assume that it's a race issue but that's all that's coming back to me. I did extensive research for each story. I viewed multiple sources and ignored their biased opinions favoring one side or another.

Maybe the officers didn't do it on purpose based on race - consciously, I'd like to think not. After all many people have subconscious stereotypical views against others that often influence their actions.

Here are the facts of the matter:
- Louisiana allows for open carry, so the civilians and officers shouldn't have a problem with Alton carrying a pistol talk less of an AR-15 or shotgun.
- The store owner allowed Alton to sell CDs on the property.
- People go into places of business and other huge population centers with AR-15s or shotguns strapped to their backs or thighs and hips. (An AR-15 is an automatic weapon, can injure or kill a lot of people inside a very short amount of time... shotguns.... just imagine a watermelon exploding, that's what would happen to anyone who is close enough)
- The man had a pistol and he made no motion to grab it. Even when he was restrained, he couldn't even make a motion to go for it.

The second death, Philando Castille, the man warned the officer that he had a gun in his pocket and said that he was reaching for his ID. He shot him FOUR TIMES in his arm in front of his girlfriend and 4-year old daughter.

I don't know... since it isn't racism - conscious or not - then what is it? It can't be an accident, you have to be a mentally impaired person to make such a stupid "mistake" like this. It's like making a mistake on breathing, you just can't make a mistake.

There was no "Split second action" or anything. These events were both slow-going and evenly paced.

Arigenn July 9, 2016 at 2:07 AM UTC

Yeah, that was one the places I was thinking of moving to since the border is within my state.

Do you guys have polar bears? :>
Only in the north part mate :)

Zintenka July 9, 2016 at 2:07 AM UTC

Only in the north part mate :)
Well then, I'll make sure to stay within the southern part then ;)