I agree that this thing is silly... Basically what it's saying is 'Oh we can't tell if this person is hacking so we need to see their screen!'. It's a problem with detecting hacks from what I see, so maybe that's what some of the staff should work on. I don't know if you hacked or not, I'm just saying this in general.
I agree that this thing is silly... Basically what it's saying is 'Oh we can't tell if this person is hacking so we need to see their screen!'. It's a problem with detecting hacks from what I see, so maybe that's what some of the staff should work on. I don't know if you hacked or not, I'm just saying this in general.
Agreed. Screensharing seems to be causing a lot more problems than it's fixing.
Screen-sharing is immensely useful for people who actually know how to HIDE their hacks. Especially useful for tournaments and competitive scenarios. You have to be 100% sure if someone is hacking before you ban a competitive player. Sometimes a simple spec will not detect the full range of hacks/they might hide it very well.
As far as Im concerned, Rilo was Temp banned because we had not established a proper system. Now that we have learnt from that mistake, it won't be repeated.
Finally, If you don't have Teamspeak you can work out the situation over skype. I am not sure if Skype can be used as a supplement for Teamspeak.
I don't agree with screensharing but there's no excuse not to get teamspeak. It's free and compatible with pretty much anything, you don't even need to talk. And if your parents won't let you use it, just use it once and uninstall it.
People may have private things they don't want you to see, I don't believe they should have to show you their files to prove they don't hack. I like the idea of screen sharing but I believe it's invading the privacy of the person who is being screen shared just a bit.
I don't agree with screensharing but there's no excuse not to get teamspeak. It's free and compatible with pretty much anything, you don't even need to talk. And if your parents won't let you use it, just use it once and uninstall it.
I don't think I could do that :( I'm not a bad boy
1) It's free and easy to get. You don't even have to talk. I don't think any of the staff can be considered "randys" when they've all been here for at least a year, have over 100 pages of forum posts, and are active on all platforms.
2) I didn't take part in that jazz, so I don't know.
3) Ghost clients aren't exactly easy to detect in spectator view.
I have no idea how screen share works, but if your telling someone else to download something, there's a problem. I don't know about you, but if i'm playing and a staff tells me to download something or im banned, i aint downloading, your not supposed to just trust people online and download what they tell you. Thats not right.
I don't know how ghost clients work, but there has to be another way to detect them.
EDIT: I dont have anything against teamspeak, but im saying this from the viewpoint of someone who doesnt have it. I like teamspeak and get on it whenever im online.
With how ghost clients are now, you have to screenshare to detect them. Even the best anticheats (AntiSkid and GCheat) don't detect every single client because that's impossible. Barely anyone understands the threat of ghost clients, and it seems that nobody understands what they are. A ghost client is a client that people use so they can pretend to be good and record themselves without the client being seen. How are you me at to detect these from a spectator view?
Now on to your questions:
1) Why you wouldn't have Teamspeak by now blows my mind. And who said anything about Skype?
2) If me or Spookez could ban, Rilo would be permanently banned. It's just that Posighdun doesn't want people to be permad for avoiding a screenshare which suggests that they are hiding something and this is something myself and a lot of other
3) Because they're not obvious - the objective of them is to be hidden and never be caught when watching them on a youtube video, so how are you meant to find them from a third person view? It seems to me that you don't even know what the point of screensharing is.
With how ghost clients are now, you have to screenshare to detect them. Even the best anticheats (AntiSkid and GCheat) don't detect every single client because that's impossible. Barely anyone understands the threat of ghost clients, and it seems that nobody understands what they are. A ghost client is a client that people use so they can pretend to be good and record themselves without the client being seen. How are you me at to detect these from a spectator view?
Now on to your questions:
1) Why you wouldn't have Teamspeak by now blows my mind. And who said anything about Skype?
2) If me or Spookez could ban, Rilo would be permanently banned. It's just that Posighdun doesn't want people to be permad for avoiding a screenshare which suggests that they are hiding something and this is something myself and a lot of other
3) Because they're not obvious - the objective of them is to be hidden and never be caught when watching them on a youtube video, so how are you meant to find them from a third person view? It seems to me that you don't even know what the point of screensharing is.
What if my Wifi crashes or I have a power cut whilst I am being screen shared? Bad luck?
With how ghost clients are now, you have to screenshare to detect them. Even the best anticheats (AntiSkid and GCheat) don't detect every single client because that's impossible. Barely anyone understands the threat of ghost clients, and it seems that nobody understands what they are. A ghost client is a client that people use so they can pretend to be good and record themselves without the client being seen. How are you me at to detect these from a spectator view?
Now on to your questions:
1) Why you wouldn't have Teamspeak by now blows my mind. And who said anything about Skype?
2) If me or Spookez could ban, Rilo would be permanently banned. It's just that Posighdun doesn't want people to be permad for avoiding a screenshare which suggests that they are hiding something and this is something myself and a lot of other
3) Because they're not obvious - the objective of them is to be hidden and never be caught when watching them on a youtube video, so how are you meant to find them from a third person view? It seems to me that you don't even know what the point of screensharing is.
Rilo should be permbanned, anyone who says he shouldn't is delusional
Send you the news from my area with the power crashing?
I don't know - but how unlikely is it? Just think about it. Technically you could make a video of you trying to turn lights on but that's too far, but it's so unlikely it isn't something that needs to be thought of until it happens.
I don't know - but how unlikely is it? Just think about it. Technically you could make a video of you trying to turn lights on but that's too far, but it's so unlikely it isn't something that needs to be thought of until it happens.
Sometimes I love having a power switch for my whole home in my wrist ^.^
Timing out whilst being screenshared is very unlikely, yet depends on the player. If you know the player that is being screenshared has never timed out in their lives, but has now made an exception after being called out, you'll know he is hidding something and I know it may not be so accurate but it could still help.
Timing out whilst being screenshared is very unlikely, yet depends on the player. If you know the player that is being screenshared has never timed out in their lives, but has now made an exception after being called out, you'll know he is hidding something and I know it may not be so accurate but it could still help.
+1 Yeah, my internet goes out at least once a day (For the most part at least), if I was being SS'd and that happened and I got banned, that'd be pretty dumb. lol
+1 Yeah, my internet goes out at least once a day (For the most part at least), if I was being SS'd and that happened and I got banned, that'd be pretty dumb. lol
As I said, it's not entirely accurate and you could still be trying to pull out something.
Like your'll get people who will just claim there internet disconnects, and in reality theirs no way to prove that it doesn't.
Thing is, as an active Teamspeak member I've seen those who've timed out for the last year and a half. Asking them will not be necessary unless they claim the opposite.
People may have private things they don't want you to see, I don't believe they should have to show you their files to prove they don't hack. I like the idea of screen sharing but I believe it's invading the privacy of the person who is being screen shared just a bit.
I agree, even if its just your mc files, it's still an invasion of privacy.
What if its a shared computer? What if you have family as your desktop background? I'm certain that they wouldn't want some stranger from the Internet looking through that stuff.
And what if someone who doesn't like you sees you being ss'd on teamspeak and ddoses you.
I agree, even if its just your mc files, it's still an invasion of privacy.
What if its a shared computer? What if you have family as your desktop background? I'm certain that they wouldn't want some stranger from the Internet looking through that stuff.
And what if someone who doesn't like you sees you being ss'd on teamspeak and ddoses you.
It's too flawed to be practical
Tbh, both officials and seniors don't actually care about someone's real life.
I agree, even if its just your mc files, it's still an invasion of privacy.
What if its a shared computer? What if you have family as your desktop background? I'm certain that they wouldn't want some stranger from the Internet looking through that stuff.
And what if someone who doesn't like you sees you being ss'd on teamspeak and ddoses you.
It's too flawed to be practical
That's what I was thinking :P Invading someone's personal information even if it's just your minecraft files might be too far...I would feel uncomfortable if I was forced to show any of my files on teamspeak or Skype it really doesn't matter :P
1. Having teamspeak is such bullshit, when it comes to screensharing. That policy should not exist. 2. Sessp, Peachy and Spookz spoke in the staff lounge and came out with those results. 3. They may have a ghost client
1. Having teamspeak is such bullshit, when it comes to screensharing. That policy should not exist. 2. Sessp, Peachy and Spookz spoke in the staff lounge and came out with those results. 3. They may have a ghost client
Teamspeak is free, I don't see why you can't get it unless special reasons.
Teamspeak is free, I don't see why you can't get it unless special reasons.
"unless special reasons."
exactly my point. If they don't download ts, without a reason, they're being lazy, meaning they don't care. That makes it their fault they're getting banned, and have no room to complain.
1. Having teamspeak is such bullshit, when it comes to screensharing. That policy should not exist. 2. Sessp, Peachy and Spookz spoke in the staff lounge and came out with those results. 3. They may have a ghost client
exactly my point. If they don't download ts, without a reason, they're being lazy, meaning they don't care. That makes it their fault they're getting banned, and have no room to complain.
I agree that this thing is silly... Basically what it's saying is 'Oh we can't tell if this person is hacking so we need to see their screen!'. It's a problem with detecting hacks from what I see, so maybe that's what some of the staff should work on. I don't know if you hacked or not, I'm just saying this in general.
Not really, just provides more proof. How's making bans more certain and efficient bad? Especially with ghost clients some people can lie their ways out of bans, which is rather annoying to see. Would you rather have a server with better gameplay and more legit players, or a server with tons of hackers?
If you know you don't have why do you even need to care about screenshares? Like you said earlier, if you want to leave just leave. If you don't have Teamspeak for special reasons, things can be settled over Skype.
If you don't have teamspeak then as a last resort you can use skype. Teamspeak is just easier to use.
Secondly, Only a small percentage of players are actually going to be screenshared and even though myself and tazz have taught all the moderators how to perform a screenshare, tazz or myself would most likely be conducting it, as we are more experienced.
Thirdly, if events happen where you have to leave the screenshare midway that is fine, but you need to provide evidence.
People are assuming everyone has skype, i didnt for the first 1.5 years on this server. So what happens then? I didnt have skype, didnt need it....
Of course screensharing doesnt happen often, but I would hate for someone to get falsely banned and have no way to prove they are innocent because they might be lying.
skype or ts arent really that hard to download, like all problems these days google is a great tool to help.
If every ghost clienter pulled the "internet crashed" card, we would never ban anyone, so you can understand the suspicion, especially when players who have had perfect internet for the last hour or two ingame suddenly drop out at the moment of truth.
There are special cases, sure. But in tournaments I imagine people know a lot of the players, and if they do have a Skype/TS. In those cases, I think it's fair to ask. Better than banning them before you're sure they were or weren't cheating. It's pretty shady if they decline even then.
But for people who you don't know I suppose it would be a bit difficult. Still, then it's only if they believe you are hacking. Unless you're pretty darn good, it's unlikely you would even be questioned.
I think it's just something they should use when necessary, in the cases where it makes sense. No reason not to. But not something they should always use. Nothing has to be used NEVER or ALWAYS. There are varying situations, you have to remember.
The thing is that most of the players we do end up screensharing do have Skype and/or Teamspeak and play competitively or frequently and are well known. For most people who don't have those resources we don't normally screenshare.
The thing is that most of the players we do end up screensharing do have Skype and/or Teamspeak and play competitively or frequently and are well known. For most people who don't have those resources we don't normally screenshare.
Exactly. May as well use it when you know you can. If some person you know has TS/Skype seems a bit suspicious, what are you supposed to say? "Oh, well some people here might not have TS/Skype. This person does but... Well... Since that random guy over there probably doesn't I guess we should just let this guy go."
Exactly. May as well use it when you know you can. If some person you know has TS/Skype seems a bit suspicious, what are you supposed to say? "Oh, well some people here might not have TS/Skype. This person does but... Well... Since that random guy over there probably doesn't I guess we should just let this guy go."
Doesn't make sense to me. xD
I don't think they let anyone go... if someone is hacking, they'll gain the proper evidence and ban with or without a screenshare. The whole point of a screenshare is to gain evidence, and it helps save from controversies, etc. It also helps to make the staff absolutely sure of a punishment. I don't think I agree with banning for not screensharing, but it makes quite a bit of sense.
I don't think they let anyone go... if someone is hacking, they'll gain the proper evidence and ban with or without a screenshare. The whole point of a screenshare is to gain evidence, and it helps save from controversies, etc. It also helps to make the staff absolutely sure of a punishment. I don't think I agree with banning for not screensharing, but it makes quite a bit of sense.
I was just making a bit of a point, I only meant that you shouldn't not even use screensharing, which seems to be more telling than other evidence may be, on the people you know you can use it on just because some other people might not have Skype/TS. What you said was aside from that point, I just kinda threw it in. I agree with what you said here haha.
Though in my opinion, whether or not they ban for it would really vary. Not every case is the same, some person's behavior may be extremely suspicious, some person may have a perfectly valid excuse.
I think they should ban when they feel it's necessary. They definitely shouldn't just say "If you ever decline a screenshare you're automatically banned. No matter what.", but that banning is a possibility.
I was just making a bit of a point, I only meant that you shouldn't not even use screensharing, which seems to be more telling than other evidence may be, on the people you know you can use it on just because some other people might not have Skype/TS. What you said was aside from that point, I just kinda threw it in. I agree with what you said here haha.
Though in my opinion, whether or not they ban for it would really vary. Not every case is the same, some person's behavior may be extremely suspicious, some person may have a perfectly valid excuse.
I think they should ban when they feel it's necessary. They definitely shouldn't just say "If you ever decline a screenshare you're automatically banned. No matter what.", but that banning is a possibility.
I think that you guys have to understand the chances of you being screenshared is almost 0. It's only for more well known users who know how to hide and toggle their client well. Furthermore, if you time out you can just reconnect, the staff are not nazis. Don't think you would be banned instantly for timing out.
and also, Rilo needs to be permed, this is ridiculous that he hasnt been already. Why? Because he literally disobeyed to screenshare. If Ergasm admitted to autoclicker and got permabanned. Then why hasn't rilo been permanently banned for logging out. He was specifically told not to, like literally. I find it stupid that he was only tempbanned. I dont see the problem of it. It's literally simple. You log out before we can see if your hacking so you can change your client version. It's literally like driving off when a policeman pulls you over. Except that he should get perm banned. Is avicus going to be seen as a good server for temp banning a hacker who LOGGED OUT when he was told not to its just stupid. And sadly enough, its something avicus would do.
and also, Rilo needs to be permed, this is ridiculous that he hasnt been already. Why? Because he literally disobeyed to screenshare. If Ergasm admitted to autoclicker and got permabanned. Then why hasn't rilo been permanently banned for logging out. He was specifically told not to, like literally. I find it stupid that he was only tempbanned. I dont see the problem of it. It's literally simple. You log out before we can see if your hacking so you can change your client version. It's literally like driving off when a policeman pulls you over. Except that he should get perm banned. Is avicus going to be seen as a good server for temp banning a hacker who LOGGED OUT when he was told not to its just stupid. And sadly enough, its something avicus would do.
It's now a permanent ban. Treat the Temp Ban as a mistake. We learnt from our mistakes, it's now a ban. It already happened. Just let him be tempbanned and leave it.
It's now a permanent ban. Treat the Temp Ban as a mistake. We learnt from our mistakes, it's now a ban. It already happened. Just let him be tempbanned and leave it.
It wasn't a mistake. When I authorised the temporary ban, at that point, there was no rule that said logging out would be a permanent ban. Only after we made the rule.
It wasn't a mistake. When I authorised the temporary ban, at that point, there was no rule that said logging out would be a permanent ban. Only after we made the rule.
I mean the mistake that you guys chose to issue a tempban instead of a ban. Now we all know, we should ban k?
As Iron said, I think we have only screenshared less than 5 people in the 3 months that screensharing has been available to us. I'm sure that 95% of people that read this will never get screenshared on Avicus.
I agree that this thing is silly... Basically what it's saying is 'Oh we can't tell if this person is hacking so we need to see their screen!'. It's a problem with detecting hacks from what I see, so maybe that's what some of the staff should work on. I don't know if you hacked or not, I'm just saying this in general.
I think that regs should still be screenshared even if the evidence of them backing is 'really solid'. (I know some people reading this still think I hack so don't waste your time reading this) when I was banned for AntiKB I asked if they would screenshare me as soon as I got banned, since I knew the screen share would prove them wrong. My request was denied as my 'hacks' were described by a mod as 'More obvious than [not gonna mention who this mod thinks toggles, so just insert any players' name here] toggling'. It turns out that I wasn't hacking (who would've guessed). If the senior moderator who appealed me was blind, I wouldve stayed falsely banned. If what happened to me, happens to anyone else, I think they should still be screenshared NO MATTER HOW SOLID YOU THINK YOUR EVDIENCE IS...
I think that regs should still be screenshared even if the evidence of them backing is 'really solid'. (I know some people reading this still think I hack so don't waste your time reading this) when I was banned for AntiKB I asked if they would screenshare me as soon as I got banned, since I knew the screen share would prove them wrong. My request was denied as my 'hacks' were described by a mod as 'More obvious than [not gonna mention who this mod thinks toggles, so just insert any players' name here] toggling'. It turns out that I wasn't hacking (who would've guessed). If the senior moderator who appealed me was blind, I wouldve stayed falsely banned. If what happened to me, happens to anyone else, I think they should still be screenshared NO MATTER HOW SOLID YOU THINK YOUR EVDIENCE IS...
I think that regs should still be screenshared even if the evidence of them backing is 'really solid'. (I know some people reading this still think I hack so don't waste your time reading this) when I was banned for AntiKB I asked if they would screenshare me as soon as I got banned, since I knew the screen share would prove them wrong. My request was denied as my 'hacks' were described by a mod as 'More obvious than [not gonna mention who this mod thinks toggles, so just insert any players' name here] toggling'. It turns out that I wasn't hacking (who would've guessed). If the senior moderator who appealed me was blind, I wouldve stayed falsely banned. If what happened to me, happens to anyone else, I think they should still be screenshared NO MATTER HOW SOLID YOU THINK YOUR EVDIENCE IS...
Let me find those clips... Would have been easier if you admit and apologized just saying.
They screen share to see if your hacking..... How did u not understand that -.-
Well, to avoid being screen shared, just don't hack in the first place, which means they will not suspect you of hacking, so they will not screen share. I understood it all :)
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