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This isn't common sense by mooncat69 December 13, 2014 at 8:12 PM UTC

OK, someone is in Nebula, they are playing and then suddenly you break a rule that they only did one time and get temp-banned for it no second chance. I will be standing up for them the next time a staff member does that because they nee a second chance so if they have their warning, they will often won't do it again. if your child goes on the computer for too long, you'll ground them just like that decision is final? If some pre-school kids were misbehaving, you would punish them? I don't believe in no second chances, I would just kick them even if they were hacking; so can you please give players a second chance? It's called courage.

JOHN_CENAAAAAAAA December 13, 2014 at 8:12 PM UTC

1.) We aren't pre-school kids.
2.) Rules are meant to be followed.
3.) www.avicus.net/rules  There are guidelines.
4.) A lot of things that are punishable are just basic common sense.
5.) It's not called courage, it's called discipline and respect.

kycrafft December 13, 2014 at 8:12 PM UTC

Kick a hacker? Dude they obviously know they are breaking the rules, as every server has ruled against hacking. 


Also as as a player it should be your responsibility to know the rules.You should also have some idea of what the rules may be if you haven't read them, still

Mooch24 December 13, 2014 at 8:12 PM UTC

if someone is hacking, they know they are breaking the rules.
someone blocking the spawn or spleefing players. its the same deal.

just dont be an ass in-game and you wont get punished. common sense goes a long way. they can always appeal. they can always appeal and what not

D00ZiE December 13, 2014 at 8:12 PM UTC

"you break a rule that they only did one time and get temp-banned for it no second chance"

A tempban is a second chance. 

mooncat69 December 13, 2014 at 8:12 PM UTC

I don't believe in no second chance rules, I don't believe in instant discipline, believe people should be spared which is not that hard. It is easy to lose your cool I admit but maybe if you thought about what you are doing, you can calmly tell them to not do it again. I have a disorder that I go berserk but I know how to deal with misbehaviour.

Mooch24 December 13, 2014 at 8:12 PM UTC

I don't believe in no second chance rules, I don't believe in instant discipline, believe people should be spared which is not that hard. It is easy to lose your cool I admit but maybe if you thought about what you are doing, you can calmly tell them to not do it again. I have a disorder that I go berserk but I know how to deal with misbehaviour.
if you're going berserk over a game you should probably like smiz or somethin

mooncat69 December 13, 2014 at 8:12 PM UTC

D00ZiE, a kick is a second chance because you can go back and know what you can do and what not do. Grounding your child isn't a second chance so temp-ban isn't.

mooncat69 December 13, 2014 at 8:12 PM UTC

Mooch24, oh please, don't get me started over when I was young.

D00ZiE December 13, 2014 at 8:12 PM UTC

D00ZiE, a kick is a second chance because you can go back and know what you can do and what not do. Grounding your child isn't a second chance so temp-ban isn't.
See, here's the thing lad. The root of temporary is "temp" which means lasting for a limited time. You can come back from a temp ban because it is only temporary.

mooncat69 December 13, 2014 at 8:12 PM UTC

Like temporarily leaving the classroom?

Mooch24 December 13, 2014 at 8:12 PM UTC

Mooch24, oh please, don't get me started over when I was young.
lol what

im just saying. if you're getting frustrated in a game and you have to be a dick in chat then just take a walk or maybe smiz a lil >>>>>

mooncat69 December 13, 2014 at 8:12 PM UTC

That's your opinion yeah.

MLGtino December 13, 2014 at 8:12 PM UTC

This is why you got denied for staff.


lol

mooncat69 December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

MLGtino, no, your wrong. I wasn't active enough on the server eh staff? don't get off topic.

MLGtino December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

MLGtino, no, your wrong. I wasn't active enough on the server eh staff? don't get off topic.
lmao

mooncat69 December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

Omg everyone is laughing(!)

FrozenSolstice December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

Mooncat, now you're going off topic.

MLGtino December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

Mooncat, now you're going off topic.
rekt

JUBBINATOR December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

" If some pre-school kids were misbehaving, you would punish them?"
Yes.
Hell, if they're as old as we are they should understand consequences...
I mean, if they do something bad the rules say they will be punished, and mods cant break rules amirite?

Robin_DD_J December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

Why is this becoming such a big thing..

mooncat69 December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

But then parent complaints will be growing, you need to politely and calmly make them walk to a place when they are calm and tell them why you shouldn't do it; not having to get aggressive and making them terrified.

IviFetita December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

Do you know what isn't common sense?
It's the fact that it isn't locked yet.

FrozenSolstice December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

Do you know what isn't common sense?
It's the fact that it isn't locked yet.
+1

MLGtino December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

But then parent complaints will be growing, you need to politely and calmly make them walk to a place when they are calm and tell them why you shouldn't do it; not having to get aggressive and making them terrified.
Who do we look like? Mojang?

FrozenSolstice December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

But then parent complaints will be growing, you need to politely and calmly make them walk to a place when they are calm and tell them why you shouldn't do it; not having to get aggressive and making them terrified.
Ok, now you're arguing semantics.

Requesting lock, if you can still do that.

mooncat69 December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

I need to get a response why you temp-ban no second chance.

Robin_DD_J December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

But then parent complaints will be growing, you need to politely and calmly make them walk to a place when they are calm and tell them why you shouldn't do it; not having to get aggressive and making them terrified.
I don't see why you compare a blockgame with real life. In real life you can get hurt by sitting infront of the computer all day, but you honestly cant get hurt by hacking on a minecraft server. 

If you do not realize it, no one here agrees with you, so what is the point trying to convince other players.

BoldAndBrash December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

Ok what the hell are you talking about? Hackers or pre school children?

Youre acting like hackers don't know that they're breaking rules



and I'm pretty sure a TEMPORARY ban is a second chance.

mooncat69 December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

I don't know what semantics means.

mooncat69 December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

OK I am sorry but I would think a kick is a second chance.

BoldAndBrash December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

Google is there. Bing is there (I think) yahoo is there


just look It up.

Listen, hackers don't CARE about what they do to players. A kick to them is just a time out. They don't care. They'll come back in 5 seconds and continue.

FrozenSolstice December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

I need to get a response why you temp-ban no second chance.
The temp ban IS a second chance!

Ok, so, if someone was harassing you all day, calling you this and that and whatnot, then they got kicked. Then they came back again and continued, you would want to give them a second chance, even if you were hurt?

Mods are here to enforce the rules. Some rule-breakers need to be punished in a way that suits the rules they break.

Robin_DD_J December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

OK I am sorry but I would think a kick is a second chance.
What if you just let the staff do their job and instead you send them a email or something. I don't really see the point of you complaining when it doesn't even effect you.

AstroPizza December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

May i just point out this is not preschool.... The server , i would say consists mainly from 12-17 year olds,who mostly  understand basic rules and punishments.Also how would a screen saying "you have been banned" make someone terrified? If it does you may want to seek some medical help.By the way... don't "tell" the staff how to do their job if you wanna complain about  a certain staff member contact Fluenza_.

Basically can you please accept the fact this will never happen.Giving a hacker a second chance is like giving a serial killer a second chance they have already destroyed enough of the community that they don't deserve to comeback...

Also if they really want to say sorry they may appeal at , [email protected] and then they may get a second  chance.

This topic should be locked before this goes to a complete flame war at mooncat , we don't mean to make you feel dumb.We are simply saying why these rules are in place otherwise the server would be chaotic.

mooncat69 December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

I knew you were going to say that. Sometimes they wouldn't do it again and sometimes-- wait a minute, I see you got a point. Shouting doesn't change behaviour so I see why that doesn't as well, you have a good point.

_Phyre December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

I highly dis-agree.
This is Minecraft, your banned? You're banned.
It is just a game, so what, your banned. And a "temp-ban" is a second chance. And those harsh punishments mean this server isnt messing around.

mooncat69 December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

Well, if you like temp-ban for like 1 or 2 days then I guess that is acceptable.

FrozenSolstice December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

Well, if you like temp-ban for like 1 or 2 days then I guess that is acceptable.
It's acceptable for any length. It is a second chance, but to be honest. If someone is breaking the rules the first time, then continue to do it. They should be temp-banned/banned.

MLGtino December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

Well, if you like temp-ban for like 1 or 2 days then I guess that is acceptable.
That's no different from a kick.

And also, the second chance isn't the tempban IMO. It's whether or not they choose to appeal. In which case, it's their problem then.

mooncat69 December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

Sorry, I just thought it was a bit too cruel.

MLGtino December 13, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

Sorry, I just thought it was a bit too cruel.
It's never to cruel to punish someone intentionally trying to melt someone else's day to shit.

ParthDarthVader December 13, 2014 at 10:12 PM UTC

Im just saying...
You would make a really bad parent if this is the attitude you're gonna put up.

Think of it this way....If you give your child a second chance every time they do something wrong, they are just going to do it again, thinking that's all that's gonna happen to them.

Just like with a hacker. If you just kick them, aren't you just kicking them from the game, only to have them come back on with the hacks a couple of seconds later? Kicking has no impact on hackers....

mooncat69 December 13, 2014 at 10:12 PM UTC

I wouldn't say it would ruin their day but whatever, not started a 1 page conversation again.

mooncat69 December 13, 2014 at 10:12 PM UTC

I will probably be OK with parenting in my opinion but your saying.

AstroPizza December 13, 2014 at 10:12 PM UTC

*looks at watch* 
So when is this getting locked?

Emmaye December 13, 2014 at 10:12 PM UTC

I think there is enough with this discussion, as it seems conflict is starting to appear within players posting on this topic. Locked