Avicus Staff Team by JustBudah January 6, 2016 at 5:01 PM UTC

Peachy said he'd be fine as junior mod, but the administration team offered him a space as senior; being a retired admin who left on good terms, you can't expect much else.

But why did someone else who wants to get back from retirement not get sr offered like Peachy?

Peachy was admin for a lot longer?

I don't understand? Care to rephrase?

-What do you mean PelPel asked Para to come back? Also, if you get demoted you do have to start from junior moderator.--> Unless, you get a vote to come back as senior mod/mod. Lastly, Para retired from senior mod.

-Peachy was a very good administrator, he left on very good terms. Hence, he was allowed back under some consideration from the senior staff team. (As Jack said, Peachy wanted Jr Mod first.)

-ALM's promotion to Dev is not something that we would know about, nor is it related to the staff. Only Funky picks each Dev; therefore, only he has the final say on who gets Dev or not.

Just my opinion.

''-What do you mean PelPel asked Para to come back? Also, if you get demoted you do have to start from junior moderator.--> Unless, you get a vote to come back as senior mod/mod. Lastly, Para retired from senior mod.'' That made no sense to me

''-Peachy was a very good administrator, he left on very good terms. Hence, he was allowed back under some consideration from the senior staff team. (As Jack said, Peachy wanted Jr Mod first.)'' Wasn't pel a good admin then?

''-ALM's promotion to Dev is not something that we would know about, nor is it related to the staff. Only Funky picks each Dev; therefore, only he has the final say on who gets Dev or not.'' Well, I count kylo as a staff member aswell.

Alrightie.

"example pelpelajax asked Para to come back but has been told that he needed to start from the bottom." 
My apologies read that the other way around. Anyways, he can be told that if the senior staff team does not think he is fit for Senior Mod. It's not set in stone that you will get senior moderator instantaneously if you retire/get demoted.

My point is not the quality of each admin, but that both admins have  achieved some degree of achievement throughout their stays as admin. However, Pel has clearly been deemed unfit for the job. Hence, Peachy's outstanding performance (deemed outstanding by the seniors) has led to his promotion to senior moderator.

Again, Kylo is obviously a staff member. However, by saying "staff/Avicus get your shit together" you imply the whole team. Which 95% of, has no control over Dev's. Although I must say, by "Avicus get your shit together," Do you mean the community (which includes you) or the staff team? I assume the latter......

Again, my apologies for reading the first statement wrong.

I get your point about the pel story, and I now see how it works, thanks for that.



''Again, Kylo is obviously a staff member. However, by saying "staff get your shit together" you imply the whole team. Which 95% of, has no control over Dev's.''  Sorry if you don't understand this but I only meant kylo in the ALM story, not the whole staff team. I used the ''staff get your shit together'' as for the sr staff. Since I already know that moderators don't have a big influence on them.

"Since I already know that moderators don't have a big influence on them." The Moderator team (in recent times) have developed a substantial voice within the staff team as a whole. So that is somewhat false.

Also, Vlad^....

So ALM never hacked???
kk. I'm always hearing he did, I check is page and no infractions xd.

The infraction got appealed/archived

"Since I already know that moderators don't have a big influence on them." The Moderator team (in recent times) have developed a substantial voice within the staff team as a whole. So that is somewhat false.

Also, Vlad^....

I checked like 2 months ago (May be wrong with time because I'm bad with counting dates) when I first heard that he hacked o.o So when was this infraction given?

Oh, I hear different stories, but if you say it, it will probably be the truth.

I cant detect the sarcasm, assuming it's there... I'd you would like an example, the mentoring team was not completey a senior staff decision AFAIK the mods did have a say. They also have the ability to voice opinions about the promotions and demotions of people. (On slack)

And how does all of this affect you in any way?

It's the staff's business, no need for you to take part of it

Since when can the community not talk about staff stuff?

+1 for the general idea, I disagree with some of the finer points (like pelpel being a good admin) but generally correct.

He never said that I was a good Admin, and I honestly don't think that I was fit for it after experiencing what it was like.

Don't be so harsh on yourself Pelle.

It's true :))

Budah ily but this is just stupid you know.

To start of. Ur first statement is related to Senior Staff, and therefore not Staff. You should make that clear. Also, I have no idea how Sr.Staff is being unorganized by giving of application results when requested. It could simply be a mistake, seeing as you only provide one example.

2nd of, pelp was admin for literally 1 week or something. You couldnt really say he was a proper long time admin. Peachy however, was admin for around 2 months.

To finish it up, you have 0 proof of ALM hacking. From all I heard, it's rumors.
Edit: if what you are saying is true, that ALM hacked 5 months ago, why do you care? It was 5 months ago and he got appealed. If he truly hacked, and there is proof, he would be banned. I really dont understand why you would bring up such a stupid topic.


Avicus is pretty bad, but not because of ur reasons. It's because of the stale and boring maps aswell as the pvp being quite bad when you cant shoot through enemies and the KB being fucked af.

Not necessarily true that if there was evidence alm would still be banned. I hacked blatantly a while ago because I thought it was just so funny and got appealed around 4-5 months later. Obviously I apologized and all that jazz, but he could've hacked and still been appealed.

Another thing, people like ALM  get treated differently in the fact that they break the rules but go unpunished purely because they help the server, in reality if they were really dedicated to the server and cared about it they wouldn't break the rules in the first place.

How tf does dagger help the server?

Unless im mistaken he did some developing/programming for the server in the past? - Im might be wrong though.

You're free to talk about stuff but seeing as you're a bit smarter than the average player in here, I was expecting you to notice this type of threads have always leaded to nothing

Unless im mistaken he did some developing/programming for the server in the past? - Im might be wrong though.

ffs another one of these threads
just play the damn game lol

ffs another one of these threads
just play the damn game lol

At least it isn't about lag this time

ffs another one of these threads
just play the damn game lol

Couldn't agree with this post more. I died laughing when I saw Peachy's promotion.


Tis all called favoritism, and tis why I left.

Listen, you have no room to speak. You legit got promoted to sr, from 10 days as a mod...

That wasn't his decision though.

Listen, you have no room to speak. You legit got promoted to sr, from 10 days as a mod...

He came back from retirement with a mod trial.

The original plan was for senior, as gill asked for many times. Seeing as his mod trial was far from good, I would assume that it was part of a "plan" to get gill senior.

You don't need to tell me what happened, I was a Senior at the time.

Couldn't agree with this post more. I died laughing when I saw Peachy's promotion.


Tis all called favoritism, and tis why I left.

Ok, its just my opinion.

ALM's infraction was deleted. And I agree the staff team is so defensive about themselves... The blame is just passed on and no one takes responsibility...

Ill take "forum threads I see every day" for 600$ please.

I cN save this jst Givme MOD

About this whole thing with peachy getting senior moderator, and pelpelajax not getting it; I agree with the disorganization and inconsistency with the promotions, and currently the senior moderators are revising the staff policy to fit circumstances today, and it will be followed as closely as possible.

I am willing to negotiate with Pelpelajax about his denial of re-assessment.

Ok seriously, why the heck do yall care who gets senior and who doesn't?

Staff are supposed to maintain a fair, friendly and efficient server.  So this guy gets sr mod and another guy gets a trial, why do you all care? If it gets us closer to maintaining that fair, friendly and efficient community, then why is it questioned?  If it works, then it works, who cares if it seems odd?  The Senior staff can shift the rules around if it means they are trying to make the server more ideal.  I have no clue why Peachy got Sr Mod and Pel has to start at Jr, but you know what, The Seniors decided that it was for the best so be content with it.  

About people getting different answers from mods, let me tell you, that's going to be the case wherever you go, some people are in charge of staff apps, and they know the facts, others know a little bit, and will give the best of their knowledge, so you might get different answers, the only thing that can fix this is for mods to ask the person who knows best about the question, before giving the asker an answer.  But sometimes that person isnt available, so mods will give it their best to answer to their ability, someone is keeping track i assure you.

Now i understand wanting to know whats going on inside the staff, its natural to want to know, but the community criticizes everything, "ALM IS DEV, WHY, HE HACKED", he must have gotten appealed? Cool? Cool.  And now he is helping out, for the better of the community!  Why are you mad? He's already working on alot for the server! Who cares if he hacked? He was sorry, and he was appealed.  If he hacks again, he'll get banned again. simple, no need to get angry over it.  

Ultimately, the Senior Staff don't have to follow the mass's criteria if it is impoving the server.  They are doing it for the best, don't outrage over stuff like this, or when someone gets demoted. You can get mad if someone decides to make a change to the server and you disagree with it, if someone gets promoted, demoted or anything, its for the better for the community, the staff arent your enemies, I know im technically a part of the stuff, but this is coming from the standpoint of a player, not a staffer.

We care about who gets senior mod so the server can maximise its potential, if you don't care who's in the senior staff team then you obviously don't care for the server.

Ok seriously, why the heck do yall care who gets senior and who doesn't?

Staff are supposed to maintain a fair, friendly and efficient server.  So this guy gets sr mod and another guy gets a trial, why do you all care? If it gets us closer to maintaining that fair, friendly and efficient community, then why is it questioned?  If it works, then it works, who cares if it seems odd?  The Senior staff can shift the rules around if it means they are trying to make the server more ideal.  I have no clue why Peachy got Sr Mod and Pel has to start at Jr, but you know what, The Seniors decided that it was for the best so be content with it.  

About people getting different answers from mods, let me tell you, that's going to be the case wherever you go, some people are in charge of staff apps, and they know the facts, others know a little bit, and will give the best of their knowledge, so you might get different answers, the only thing that can fix this is for mods to ask the person who knows best about the question, before giving the asker an answer.  But sometimes that person isnt available, so mods will give it their best to answer to their ability, someone is keeping track i assure you.

Now i understand wanting to know whats going on inside the staff, its natural to want to know, but the community criticizes everything, "ALM IS DEV, WHY, HE HACKED", he must have gotten appealed? Cool? Cool.  And now he is helping out, for the better of the community!  Why are you mad? He's already working on alot for the server! Who cares if he hacked? He was sorry, and he was appealed.  If he hacks again, he'll get banned again. simple, no need to get angry over it.  

Ultimately, the Senior Staff don't have to follow the mass's criteria if it is impoving the server.  They are doing it for the best, don't outrage over stuff like this, or when someone gets demoted. You can get mad if someone decides to make a change to the server and you disagree with it, if someone gets promoted, demoted or anything, its for the better for the community, the staff arent your enemies, I know im technically a part of the stuff, but this is coming from the standpoint of a player, not a staffer.

Ok seriously, why the heck do yall care who gets senior and who doesn't?

Staff are supposed to maintain a fair, friendly and efficient server.  So this guy gets sr mod and another guy gets a trial, why do you all care? If it gets us closer to maintaining that fair, friendly and efficient community, then why is it questioned?  If it works, then it works, who cares if it seems odd?  The Senior staff can shift the rules around if it means they are trying to make the server more ideal.  I have no clue why Peachy got Sr Mod and Pel has to start at Jr, but you know what, The Seniors decided that it was for the best so be content with it.  

About people getting different answers from mods, let me tell you, that's going to be the case wherever you go, some people are in charge of staff apps, and they know the facts, others know a little bit, and will give the best of their knowledge, so you might get different answers, the only thing that can fix this is for mods to ask the person who knows best about the question, before giving the asker an answer.  But sometimes that person isnt available, so mods will give it their best to answer to their ability, someone is keeping track i assure you.

Now i understand wanting to know whats going on inside the staff, its natural to want to know, but the community criticizes everything, "ALM IS DEV, WHY, HE HACKED", he must have gotten appealed? Cool? Cool.  And now he is helping out, for the better of the community!  Why are you mad? He's already working on alot for the server! Who cares if he hacked? He was sorry, and he was appealed.  If he hacks again, he'll get banned again. simple, no need to get angry over it.  

Ultimately, the Senior Staff don't have to follow the mass's criteria if it is impoving the server.  They are doing it for the best, don't outrage over stuff like this, or when someone gets demoted. You can get mad if someone decides to make a change to the server and you disagree with it, if someone gets promoted, demoted or anything, its for the better for the community, the staff arent your enemies, I know im technically a part of the stuff, but this is coming from the standpoint of a player, not a staffer.

22 mods may want Sr Staff but the position is being taken by the people who skipped back up to that position.
Remember Peachy did leave for a while and right as he comes back he gets Sr Mod again.
What happened to the times that Staff who have 3 months + as mod can get an interview for a chance of Sr Mod?
All these people below work their butts off every day just like the ex admins & Sr Staff and the ones who got re-promoted at the start of their Avicus staff career and they don't get a chance because there are ex staff members who are being accepted back to that high of a position by a re-assessment... Not by a interview like they did before getting Sr the first time.
Fair? I think not. IMO if you retire & don't ask for a re-assessment before 2 weeks after retiring then you shouldn't be re-promoted unless you apply like every other member does.
We are also adding Sr Staff to the team, what does that mean? No positions needing to be filled in Sr Staff. Outcome? Mods wont be promoted to Sr Staff or interviews for Sr Staff (if that is even still a thing...) and there wont be a need of Moderators. Result? Stopping others regulars from being able to apply as well.

If your gonna re-promote old Sr Staff do it for all. There is a reason that people are ranting that both got to Admin and only one was re-promoted to Sr Mod after both retiring fairly quickly.
But doing it for all is a bad idea, so don't do it at all. They may be ex Staff from a high position but most ex staff (especially the ones who got re-promoted to Sr Staff) went inactive for a while. And what's a big requirement? To be active.

22 mods may want Sr Staff but the position is being taken by the people who skipped back up to that position.
Remember Peachy did leave for a while and right as he comes back he gets Sr Mod again.
What happened to the times that Staff who have 3 months + as mod can get an interview for a chance of Sr Mod?
All these people below work their butts off every day just like the ex admins & Sr Staff and the ones who got re-promoted at the start of their Avicus staff career and they don't get a chance because there are ex staff members who are being accepted back to that high of a position by a re-assessment... Not by a interview like they did before getting Sr the first time.
Fair? I think not. IMO if you retire & don't ask for a re-assessment before 2 weeks after retiring then you shouldn't be re-promoted unless you apply like every other member does.
We are also adding Sr Staff to the team, what does that mean? No positions needing to be filled in Sr Staff. Outcome? Mods wont be promoted to Sr Staff or interviews for Sr Staff (if that is even still a thing...) and there wont be a need of Moderators. Result? Stopping others regulars from being able to apply as well.

If your gonna re-promote old Sr Staff do it for all. There is a reason that people are ranting that both got to Admin and only one was re-promoted to Sr Mod after both retiring fairly quickly.
But doing it for all is a bad idea, so don't do it at all. They may be ex Staff from a high position but most ex staff (especially the ones who got re-promoted to Sr Staff) went inactive for a while. And what's a big requirement? To be active.

We care about who gets senior mod so the server can maximise its potential, if you don't care who's in the senior staff team then you obviously don't care for the server.

22 mods may want Sr Staff but the position is being taken by the people who skipped back up to that position.
Remember Peachy did leave for a while and right as he comes back he gets Sr Mod again.
What happened to the times that Staff who have 3 months + as mod can get an interview for a chance of Sr Mod?
All these people below work their butts off every day just like the ex admins & Sr Staff and the ones who got re-promoted at the start of their Avicus staff career and they don't get a chance because there are ex staff members who are being accepted back to that high of a position by a re-assessment... Not by a interview like they did before getting Sr the first time.
Fair? I think not. IMO if you retire & don't ask for a re-assessment before 2 weeks after retiring then you shouldn't be re-promoted unless you apply like every other member does.
We are also adding Sr Staff to the team, what does that mean? No positions needing to be filled in Sr Staff. Outcome? Mods wont be promoted to Sr Staff or interviews for Sr Staff (if that is even still a thing...) and there wont be a need of Moderators. Result? Stopping others regulars from being able to apply as well.

If your gonna re-promote old Sr Staff do it for all. There is a reason that people are ranting that both got to Admin and only one was re-promoted to Sr Mod after both retiring fairly quickly.
But doing it for all is a bad idea, so don't do it at all. They may be ex Staff from a high position but most ex staff (especially the ones who got re-promoted to Sr Staff) went inactive for a while. And what's a big requirement? To be active.

I care, ALM is a nerd and I dont want nerds as our devs.

It's not that I don't care who is in the senior team, but I trust that the senior staff aren't doing it for no reason.  They have a reason for giving it to peachy and not to pel, there must be a reason, I am just tired of people getting angry over every decision the senior staff makes, I'm not saying your one of them but there are many who question every dang decision.  Too many have zero trust in seniors decisions, but of course I know you want the best for the server, I do too, I just feel that the seniors deserve some slack, they get crap for doing anything and for doing nothing.

You say seniors have a reason, you can't be so sure, you've never been close to the senior staff team, trust me it's a lot different on the inside. We're not angry as a sense of rampage, more like frustration, because we know they can do better, that's constructive criticism. Also, have you ever thought that an opinion from someone who's not in the staff team who's looking at from a completely different angle can see the problems the staff members are blind to?

So to sum it up, you're basically crying because your friend didn't get mod, and somehow use this as an excuse to bash the staff. Seriously dude, don't you have anything better to do with your life?

The Staff needs someone like me, lol.

And how does all of this affect you in any way?

It's the staff's business, no need for you to take part of it

And people wonder what's wrong with Avicus.

If this thread has proven anything it's that the transparency of the staff team is terrible and the communication has once again failed the staff team and the community.

The community to staff relations has always been shit. 

On one hand the staff does a terrible job informing the community about what's happening with certain situations.

On the other hand the community thinks they're entitled to know every little confidential detail about the staff team. 

But guess what, you people aren't entitled to know everything.

That's just how things work.

If you're not apart of the staff team you're not entitled to know everything that goes on behind the scenes. 
If you're upset about it then apply for staff.

And if you don't want to and are still mad then tough shit, you don't get to know everything that the staff team is doing.

Having said that, if the staff decide to release any sort of information to the community, they need to be detailed, honest and specific about it.

All the arguing is a pain sometimes.
Just co-exist with each other, have some understanding and patience and enjoy yourselves.

The majority of you people are younger than 18.
You kids shouldn't be this angry at such a young age over a game.

I understand you're all passionate about your opinions but my God some of you need to calm the fuck down.

It's just a game for fuck sake.

yeah but we're speaking our word to tell the staff to do something because otherwise nothing will happen.

yeah but we're speaking our word to tell the staff to do something because otherwise nothing will happen.

Everyone in here, explain your gringo logic please

OCN and Avicus are both 1.8. People say Avicus is unplayable. Why play Avicus over OCN lmao

Thus the Avicadian Civil War begins...again...

Regarding ALM's promotion to developer, if he really did hack and it's not just a rumor, he got unbanned, obviously, since the infraction is gone. If he was brought back, the senior staff team let bygones be bygones, so I suggest you guys do the same. And if he's caught hacking again, he'll be demoted, no questions asked. Simple as that.

And going off of what Vlad was saying (kudos for saying what you did, Vlad), these immediate Sr. Staff promotions are really...annoying, for lack of a better word. While I do ardently believe that Peachy was/is a good staff member, it comes at the expense of the opportunities of others. I know when I was a moderator, I tried my hardest to become a senior after a few months (and naturally, that never happened, but I still tried :P). I'm sure the majority of the current moderator team is striving to do the same thing, but instead of giving them a chance, the Sr. staff just pull former members from out of nowhere and say "Hey, want a free Sr. mod rank? It won't take any effort at all!" The other moderators already put in a lot of effort as is, but all these efforts are pretty much in vain because the former members of the Sr. staff steal the spotlight. And I get it, these "former members" worked for their ranks back when they were Jr. mods and moderators, but then why is it that only certain ones immediately get Sr. while others have to start from scratch? It just doesn't seem right to me. The sooner this new rule that Arigenn is talking about gets implemented, the sooner this problem will be solved (hopefully, at least).

i would type but my hands have carpal tunnel

I'd say the staff have different problems in different areas, but I won't get into that.

As some other Mods have said, we are trying to improve, and that's true. We've implemented new staff training and various other things to improve efficiency.

We still aren't perfect, and we know that. But do you REALLY think ANOTHER one of these threads will change anything? I know you're probably trying to knock sense into us, and that's fine, but by bashing the staff and not giving us pointers and tips on how we can improve is useless.

Constructive criticism is what we need. "Pull your shit together." Tell us how.

Id love it if you could help us help you.

I suggestion I could offer is to help promote the Avicus community slack. It was made for a reason. Hell, there's even a whole section dedicated to discussing relations between community and staff. If we could get more people on that, it could help (or you could completely disregard me, the guy with no charisma :3).

I will forward that straight to an Admin, because sometimes they don't check the forums ;P.

I, myself, haven't been active that much on the slack, but I'll try boost my activity there. Thanks!

I suggestion I could offer is to help promote the Avicus community slack. It was made for a reason. Hell, there's even a whole section dedicated to discussing relations between community and staff. If we could get more people on that, it could help (or you could completely disregard me, the guy with no charisma :3).

I have recently been put in charge of the community slack. I would love your ideas to help make it more popular with the community.

I suggestion I could offer is to help promote the Avicus community slack. It was made for a reason. Hell, there's even a whole section dedicated to discussing relations between community and staff. If we could get more people on that, it could help (or you could completely disregard me, the guy with no charisma :3).

I have recently been put in charge of the community slack. I would love your ideas to help make it more popular with the community.

I know there's a thread about it here on the forums, since that's how I got to know about it. To start the promotion, could one maybe sticky that thread?

(Sorry for triple post)

It was stickied when it first released, catergorized as [NEW] to catch eyes. It got unstickied for some reason. A lot of potential lies in it!

I'm in complete agreement, and it kind of annoys me that there are only 22 people that are in that conversation. I would tend to think that a lot of staff would be there, but it turns out only half the staff team is part of it.

...Only 22? I thought there were more like 50.. If that's the case, we really do need to promote it. No harm in it.

You can talk with me on Skype about how we're gonna do that.

I thought a forum thread would suffice enough.

i'm not trying to be rude here but wtf is with these admins retiring come on lmfao. if you're going to take the job at least be in there for a good amount of time i mean para you've been here for about 2 months as admin before that was pel for a week and before that i think it was jozz and mango who did a pretty good job but recently staff have just been dropping like flies and i don't understand. are you guys getting tired of dealing situations like these because i'm pretty sure you have to deal with it as that is the role of being up there you gotta take the shit.

don't get me wrong para you did good as being as an admin for the short time but you were only in here for a short time as admin. at least stay and do something better as well for the server

He was demoted...

oh.




his prediction was right ish???? also did kylo demote him because i think he's the only one that can demote

oh.




his prediction was right ish???? also did kylo demote him because i think he's the only one that can demote

The seniors demoted me.

i'm not trying to be rude here but wtf is with these admins retiring come on lmfao. if you're going to take the job at least be in there for a good amount of time i mean para you've been here for about 2 months as admin before that was pel for a week and before that i think it was jozz and mango who did a pretty good job but recently staff have just been dropping like flies and i don't understand. are you guys getting tired of dealing situations like these because i'm pretty sure you have to deal with it as that is the role of being up there you gotta take the shit.

don't get me wrong para you did good as being as an admin for the short time but you were only in here for a short time as admin. at least stay and do something better as well for the server

i'm not trying to be rude here but wtf is with these admins retiring come on lmfao. if you're going to take the job at least be in there for a good amount of time i mean para you've been here for about 2 months as admin before that was pel for a week and before that i think it was jozz and mango who did a pretty good job but recently staff have just been dropping like flies and i don't understand. are you guys getting tired of dealing situations like these because i'm pretty sure you have to deal with it as that is the role of being up there you gotta take the shit.

don't get me wrong para you did good as being as an admin for the short time but you were only in here for a short time as admin. at least stay and do something better as well for the server

He never said that I was a good Admin, and I honestly don't think that I was fit for it after experiencing what it was like.

We just seem to rotate through staff.
Moderators, Senior Moderators, Admins.

Instead of focusing on keeping staff around longer by training them and giving them appropriate criticism/warnings, we're more concerned with recruiting more and more staff. And if a staff member isn't doing well then they just get demoted after having one chat with a Senior.

It's like a rotating door and it's been like that for a while.

this is true, I miss when the staff team was more of a community and people actually stayed, now it seems like every community member has been staff at least once.

What I've noticed is that the staff is always so concerned about getting more people to join the team that it's affecting the quality of the team.

Recently, we planned to have this round of recent staff apps literally right after the hand picked system was done.

I never understood why needing even more staff was prioritised over training the already existing staff.

When asked why we were doing this the response I got was.

"Even though we have 20+ Moderators, people are still asking others to come online"

Meaning that there were a lot of times where only one staff member was online.

But if you trained you current staff, these types of things will be easier to deal with, I probably did more solo moderating than moderating with others and I was fine with it because I knew what I was doing.


Spots are being filled just for the sake of it on the staff team.
When you put inexperienced people in tough positions, they will ultimately fail.

I mean, how many Admins with less than 4 months of Senior Staff experience have been promoted over the past 12 months?

Too many, and unfortunately, the inexperience shows.

What I've noticed is that the staff is always so concerned about getting more people to join the team that it's affecting the quality of the team.

Recently, we planned to have this round of recent staff apps literally right after the hand picked system was done.

I never understood why needing even more staff was prioritised over training the already existing staff.

When asked why we were doing this the response I got was.

"Even though we have 20+ Moderators, people are still asking others to come online"

Meaning that there were a lot of times where only one staff member was online.

But if you trained you current staff, these types of things will be easier to deal with, I probably did more solo moderating than moderating with others and I was fine with it because I knew what I was doing.


Spots are being filled just for the sake of it on the staff team.
When you put inexperienced people in tough positions, they will ultimately fail.

I mean, how many Admins with less than 4 months of Senior Staff experience have been promoted over the past 12 months?

Too many, and unfortunately, the inexperience shows.

What I've noticed is that the staff is always so concerned about getting more people to join the team that it's affecting the quality of the team.

Recently, we planned to have this round of recent staff apps literally right after the hand picked system was done.

I never understood why needing even more staff was prioritised over training the already existing staff.

When asked why we were doing this the response I got was.

"Even though we have 20+ Moderators, people are still asking others to come online"

Meaning that there were a lot of times where only one staff member was online.

But if you trained you current staff, these types of things will be easier to deal with, I probably did more solo moderating than moderating with others and I was fine with it because I knew what I was doing.


Spots are being filled just for the sake of it on the staff team.
When you put inexperienced people in tough positions, they will ultimately fail.

I mean, how many Admins with less than 4 months of Senior Staff experience have been promoted over the past 12 months?

Too many, and unfortunately, the inexperience shows.

Even though I'm technically one of the newer members of the staff team (at least temporarily), I sort of agree. =/
I don't think I'm a great junior moderator, but I'm doing my best. Unfortunately, I know that's not always good enough.


While I agree that staff members like myself  are not the best at their respective jobs, the vast majority of the staff are amazing at their jobs and I know that the staff team as a whole tries. They put time and hard work into this server to make it run smoothly for its players. They answer your questions, respond to your reports, etc. It's not an easy job.

Even though I'm technically one of the newer members of the staff team (at least temporarily), I sort of agree. =/
I don't think I'm a great junior moderator, but I'm doing my best. Unfortunately, I know that's not always good enough.


While I agree that staff members like myself  are not the best at their respective jobs, the vast majority of the staff are amazing at their jobs and I know that the staff team as a whole tries. They put time and hard work into this server to make it run smoothly for its players. They answer your questions, respond to your reports, etc. It's not an easy job.

I knew I was good enough to get Senior. (And that's actually a fact, not an arrogant opinion)
It's just that the Senior Staff never saw it.
But that's ok, as long as I know I was good enough, that's all that matters.

The mentality that "we need x amount of senior staff position" is something that stills exists today. I know a Senior Moderator in the past didn't get promoted to Admin simply because if they did, there "wouldn't be enough Senior Moderators" which was weird because there still would be at the time.

But if that's the way they want to run things the so be it, unfortunately they're not doing themselves any favours.

I knew I was good enough to get Senior. (And that's actually a fact, not an arrogant opinion)
It's just that the Senior Staff never saw it.
But that's ok, as long as I know I was good enough, that's all that matters.

The mentality that "we need x amount of senior staff position" is something that stills exists today. I know a Senior Moderator in the past didn't get promoted to Admin simply because if they did, there "wouldn't be enough Senior Moderators" which was weird because there still would be at the time.

But if that's the way they want to run things the so be it, unfortunately they're not doing themselves any favours.

I knew I was good enough to get Senior. (And that's actually a fact, not an arrogant opinion)
It's just that the Senior Staff never saw it.
But that's ok, as long as I know I was good enough, that's all that matters.

The mentality that "we need x amount of senior staff position" is something that stills exists today. I know a Senior Moderator in the past didn't get promoted to Admin simply because if they did, there "wouldn't be enough Senior Moderators" which was weird because there still would be at the time.

But if that's the way they want to run things the so be it, unfortunately they're not doing themselves any favours.

And yet they never promoted you to Sr...

Proof that they care more about quantity than they do about quality. And that's a bad thing. A REALLY bad thing.

Seriously, that's the only thing you got from that post? wow

Remember when Porky, Brit, Cole, Jack and Iron got promoted to Senior?
The only reason why I wasn't promoted with them wasn't because I was doing anything wrong or was lacking in any areas, it was solely because they had a few more positive comments next to their name.
At the time I was more active then all 5 of them too so..

That mentality is unfortunately very real in the staff team at the moment. It's not an opinion.

Actually the Sr.Staff liked them more but let's move on.

Remember when Porky, Brit, Cole, Jack and Iron got promoted to Senior?
The only reason why I wasn't promoted with them wasn't because I was doing anything wrong or was lacking in any areas, it was solely because they had a few more positive comments next to their name.
At the time I was more active then all 5 of them too so..

Since you brought me up, I think all of that is debatable :P

Few Factors:
-The interview
-ability to formulate arguments
-Forum Behaviour/Moderating 
-Activity(Is not a big factor)

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We tried our best, even if we got senior as opposed to you. That doesn't really entitle you to go off on how you didn't get it. Its pretty childish to me. Stating that you were the superior moderator is not the way to walk around. There are a lot of factors that go into stuff like this, maybe you just weren't cut out for it. I'm sorry that I have said this, but I dislike people calling me out :P

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If you would like some feedback and maybe why you didn't get senior I would be glad to do so! :)

Remember when Porky, Brit, Cole, Jack and Iron got promoted to Senior?
The only reason why I wasn't promoted with them wasn't because I was doing anything wrong or was lacking in any areas, it was solely because they had a few more positive comments next to their name.
At the time I was more active then all 5 of them too so..

I knew I was good enough to get Senior. (And that's actually a fact, not an arrogant opinion)
It's just that the Senior Staff never saw it.
But that's ok, as long as I know I was good enough, that's all that matters.

The mentality that "we need x amount of senior staff position" is something that stills exists today. I know a Senior Moderator in the past didn't get promoted to Admin simply because if they did, there "wouldn't be enough Senior Moderators" which was weird because there still would be at the time.

But if that's the way they want to run things the so be it, unfortunately they're not doing themselves any favours.

Since you brought me up, I think all of that is debatable :P

Few Factors:
-The interview
-ability to formulate arguments
-Forum Behaviour/Moderating 
-Activity(Is not a big factor)

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We tried our best, even if we got senior as opposed to you. That doesn't really entitle you to go off on how you didn't get it. Its pretty childish to me. Stating that you were the superior moderator is not the way to walk around. There are a lot of factors that go into stuff like this, maybe you just weren't cut out for it. I'm sorry that I have said this, but I dislike people calling me out :P

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If you would like some feedback and maybe why you didn't get senior I would be glad to do so! :)

I think its safe to say, the snow has been melted on Avicus.

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"I know I was good enough to get Senior."

Are you sure?

Definitely better than some who are Sr Mods right now or were promoted to Sr Mod before.

Being better by comparrison doesn't qualify him for the poistion. Definitely is a very strong word to use in this situation.

Everyone is so committed to staff bashing and forgets that the community is even worse. Everyone feels like they have to get so fucking involved in things they don't need to instead of playing the game. 

Everyone get salty over things that shouldn't concern them, the immaturity is outrageous and almost makes me want to quit, I see quite the lack of respect from the community, people always make assumptions off of rumors or with no information and just call the staff biased whenever something bad happens, people act like self-entitled pricks and think that everything needs to be up to their standards.

Sure the staff have flaws (Ironicy, bias not one of the larger ones), but at least they are obligated to not act like assholes and pricks. Regular players on the other hand, can say a lot of shit without any consequences. Regular people can do whatever the fuck they want and do whatever the fuck they want because they have no responsibilities. The staff can't do that, and it makes that harder for them to get things done. 

And I swear even when stuff gets done the community doesn't give 2 shits about it and focuses on the bad stuff. "fIX the LaGggg1!" and "ur so biasd" are common but where is the "Thank you for creating a community slack" or "Thank you for making an efficient and improved appeal system" or "Thank you for the reduction in false bans" or "Thank you for taking time to gather evidence before banning"?  No, people just expect these things to be done. Well that's not how it works. You don't just use the staff to fix your problems and throw them under the bus when something goes wrong. 

Sorry if there are typos or mistyped points, its late and I'm tired. 

TL;DR: community is immature and worse than the staff

Before this is locked, I'd like to tell you guys something about Snow's not-to-happen senior mod promotion.

So there were around 15 of us: Me, Iron, Cole, Brit, Porky were the ones promoted, however I'm pretty sure the majority of the community were expecting Mr.Snow to be amongst the five promoted.
Midnight you weren't promoted and the reasons weren't explained to you back then, so just don't.

I'm sure Iron and Cole can back me, that if we started to explain everything it wouldn't be 100% accurate and it'd cause more drama. Trust me when I say the senior staff had their reasons with evidence, but the transparency back then was poor and it all remained locked up in the senior staff chat.

The end.

Starts with: Lemme tell you something!
Proceeds to: tell me nothing...k

Before this is locked, I'd like to tell you guys something about Snow's not-to-happen senior mod promotion.

So there were around 15 of us: Me, Iron, Cole, Brit, Porky were the ones promoted, however I'm pretty sure the majority of the community were expecting Mr.Snow to be amongst the five promoted.
Midnight you weren't promoted and the reasons weren't explained to you back then, so just don't.

I'm sure Iron and Cole can back me, that if we started to explain everything it wouldn't be 100% accurate and it'd cause more drama. Trust me when I say the senior staff had their reasons with evidence, but the transparency back then was poor and it all remained locked up in the senior staff chat.

The end.

True Dat,

Recently the staff have all received ratings compiled by seniors in a variety of sectors. This has been pretty cool to see, I think that the results could be compiled and then averaged. The averages for each section could then be shared with the community. Furthermore, the community could SUGGEST ways to improve the ratings.

Gah what. A rating system? Its not a job, you're not getting paid and there should certainly not be performance reviewers. The staff team should be a group of friends, passionate about supporting the community. I feel like whoever is heading up this 'staff improvement' campaign isn't heading it in the direction it should be.

Before this is locked, I'd like to tell you guys something about Snow's not-to-happen senior mod promotion.

So there were around 15 of us: Me, Iron, Cole, Brit, Porky were the ones promoted, however I'm pretty sure the majority of the community were expecting Mr.Snow to be amongst the five promoted.
Midnight you weren't promoted and the reasons weren't explained to you back then, so just don't.

I'm sure Iron and Cole can back me, that if we started to explain everything it wouldn't be 100% accurate and it'd cause more drama. Trust me when I say the senior staff had their reasons with evidence, but the transparency back then was poor and it all remained locked up in the senior staff chat.

The end.

actually midnight was a great candidate for senior lol but at that time he was like mod only for a couple weeks/roughly a month so we didn't

u can't see me

Everyone is so committed to staff bashing and forgets that the community is even worse. Everyone feels like they have to get so fucking involved in things they don't need to instead of playing the game. 

Everyone get salty over things that shouldn't concern them, the immaturity is outrageous and almost makes me want to quit, I see quite the lack of respect from the community, people always make assumptions off of rumors or with no information and just call the staff biased whenever something bad happens, people act like self-entitled pricks and think that everything needs to be up to their standards.

Sure the staff have flaws (Ironicy, bias not one of the larger ones), but at least they are obligated to not act like assholes and pricks. Regular players on the other hand, can say a lot of shit without any consequences. Regular people can do whatever the fuck they want and do whatever the fuck they want because they have no responsibilities. The staff can't do that, and it makes that harder for them to get things done. 

And I swear even when stuff gets done the community doesn't give 2 shits about it and focuses on the bad stuff. "fIX the LaGggg1!" and "ur so biasd" are common but where is the "Thank you for creating a community slack" or "Thank you for making an efficient and improved appeal system" or "Thank you for the reduction in false bans" or "Thank you for taking time to gather evidence before banning"?  No, people just expect these things to be done. Well that's not how it works. You don't just use the staff to fix your problems and throw them under the bus when something goes wrong. 

Sorry if there are typos or mistyped points, its late and I'm tired. 

TL;DR: community is immature and worse than the staff

Overall because I know these types of threads are inevitable, next time try and state  HOW the staff can improve. We know our flaws..

Be less shit m8.

Since you brought me up, I think all of that is debatable :P

Few Factors:
-The interview
-ability to formulate arguments
-Forum Behaviour/Moderating 
-Activity(Is not a big factor)

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We tried our best, even if we got senior as opposed to you. That doesn't really entitle you to go off on how you didn't get it. Its pretty childish to me. Stating that you were the superior moderator is not the way to walk around. There are a lot of factors that go into stuff like this, maybe you just weren't cut out for it. I'm sorry that I have said this, but I dislike people calling me out :P

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If you would like some feedback and maybe why you didn't get senior I would be glad to do so! :)

Everyone is so committed to staff bashing and forgets that the community is even worse. Everyone feels like they have to get so fucking involved in things they don't need to instead of playing the game. 

Everyone get salty over things that shouldn't concern them, the immaturity is outrageous and almost makes me want to quit, I see quite the lack of respect from the community, people always make assumptions off of rumors or with no information and just call the staff biased whenever something bad happens, people act like self-entitled pricks and think that everything needs to be up to their standards.

Sure the staff have flaws (Ironicy, bias not one of the larger ones), but at least they are obligated to not act like assholes and pricks. Regular players on the other hand, can say a lot of shit without any consequences. Regular people can do whatever the fuck they want and do whatever the fuck they want because they have no responsibilities. The staff can't do that, and it makes that harder for them to get things done. 

And I swear even when stuff gets done the community doesn't give 2 shits about it and focuses on the bad stuff. "fIX the LaGggg1!" and "ur so biasd" are common but where is the "Thank you for creating a community slack" or "Thank you for making an efficient and improved appeal system" or "Thank you for the reduction in false bans" or "Thank you for taking time to gather evidence before banning"?  No, people just expect these things to be done. Well that's not how it works. You don't just use the staff to fix your problems and throw them under the bus when something goes wrong. 

Sorry if there are typos or mistyped points, its late and I'm tired. 

TL;DR: community is immature and worse than the staff

^ you don't because you don't do anything about it.

"-Activity(Is not a big factor)"

Ehhh.... I'm not sure if you understand, how much it pisses people off when there is a hacker in the game, flying each game, for 1 hour, and no staff are online. Activity is a big factor, thank you very much

Why are you stereotyping the staff as a whole? As I've previously stated, the majority of the staff try and they are good at their jobs. This is not just directed at you, by the way. I'm talking to everyone who is insulting the staff team.

As Iron said, give us criticism that we can use to improve, or stop insulting us. The choice is yours. As a former staff member, I thought you'd understand the difficulty of the staff team's jobs.

I love you kycraft.

kycrafft*

lmao, im kidding. :3 i like iron