My thoughts on punishments towards hackers.
by
SnowSX3
August 18, 2014 at 3:08 AM UTC
I've always thought the punishments a hacker faces is a bit lenient. If you're caught using a hack, normally a temp-ban is issued.
Why is that enforced? The majority will just come back on once their ban has expired and hack again.
In my opinion I think that anyone caught using a hack should be perma-banned no questions asked. This would be best for Avicus as a whole. While sending a message to other hackers that using illegal mods is NOT tolerated.
Why gives hackers a second chance when they go back on and hack again regardless? Why be kind to repeated rule breakers?
People say temp-bans are issued to give people one more chance but the majority will just hack again.
Thoughts?
( I fully respect and appreciate the mods and staff on Avicus, they do a tremendous job and deserve more credit for the awesome work they do.)
Actually, we have a set guideline for hackers. The type of hack determines how long the ban is.
Also, not all "hackers" come back and hack again.
In my OP I didn't say all of them come back and hack again, I said the majority do. People are expected to know the rules. If someone hacks they shouldn't be allowed back on the server IMO. A bit harsh yes but it sends a message that Avicus has zero tolerance for hacking.
Plus 1 , i think you made a great point hackers shouldbe perm banned no questions asked. A peem ban just gives them another oppurtuinty to come do it again. Plus 1 and this is how hackers should be dealt with!
In my OP I didn't say all of them come back and hack again, I said the majority do. People are expected to know the rules. If someone hacks they shouldn't be allowed back on the server IMO. A bit harsh yes but it sends a message that Avicus has zero tolerance for hacking.
True, and they should have known in the first place NOT to hack but they think it wouldbe funny if they did it anway. Obviously avicus has zero tolerance for hackers but a temp ban just gives them another oppurtuinity to do it again. Like what u said a perm ban shows them that there is zero tolerance for hacking.
Most of the time, mods tempban them for 2 months. And to be 100% honest, most hackers are Randies. They play for a day, then they leave. So really, to them a tempban IS a perma...I ighly doub theyd wait 62 days just to get banned again -_-
In my OP I didn't say all of them come back and hack again, I said the majority do. People are expected to know the rules. If someone hacks they shouldn't be allowed back on the server IMO. A bit harsh yes but it sends a message that Avicus has zero tolerance for hacking.
If they do come back, they will have a harder time appealing.
As for the zero tolerance... We don't like to punish players, we like to have a sensible community. If they hack, they have a chance to change their actions. Most players that come on the server that hack are new users. If they care they can appeal. If they don't then they will just leave, it's like a warning to not do it again.
Most of the time, mods tempban them for 2 months. And to be 100% honest, most hackers are Randies. They play for a day, then they leave. So really, to them a tempban IS a perma...I ighly doub theyd wait 62 days just to get banned again -_-
Not all of them leave they should perm ban hackers anyway because not all hackers stay away some do come back to hack again. So its better to make sure they DONT come back by perma banning them.
Most of the time, mods tempban them for 2 months. And to be 100% honest, most hackers are Randies. They play for a day, then they leave. So really, to them a tempban IS a perma...I ighly doub theyd wait 62 days just to get banned again -_-
Well if most hackers aren't regulars then there should be no difference if you give them a perma-ban. Players are expected to know the rules when they come on Avicus. It doesn't matter if you have a change of heart 2 months down the line-the point is you hacked and should be severely punished for it.
Everyone knows that they shouldn't swear in the chat right? Yet we give you warnings for it, so a Temp-ban to them is almost like a warning.
Swearing in chat and fly hacking/aimbot etc. Are completely different. Hacking affects everyone in the game and is a much more servere offense than swearing. Comparing the two doesn't make a lot of sense.
Swearing in chat and fly hacking/aimbot etc. Are completely different. Hacking affects everyone in the game and is a much more servere offense than swearing. Comparing the two doesn't make a lot of sense.
Hacking is a zero tolerated thing and players shouldnt do it. You have to come on a server knowing the rules and not breaking them. Hacking is especially the WORST rule to break, it ruins the game for others and just makes it not fun, and some people quit because of hackers. Perm ban them to show them that it isnt tolerated.
Hackers are not banned for week, it's roughly two months for click aimbot which means that if a player was banned for a week they may come back and just start hacking again, but over two months the majority of people will acknowledge that hacks are against the rules and delete them.
The rules say no hacking for a reason, so follow them to be safe. Some people hack anyway and should be perm banned because it ruins the game for others, the hackers dont notice that it ruins the game for people, so perm ban them to make sure they get it through that it isnt tolerated anyway.
If they do come back, they will have a harder time appealing.
As for the zero tolerance... We don't like to punish players, we like to have a sensible community. If they hack, they have a chance to change their actions. Most players that come on the server that hack are new users. If they care they can appeal. If they don't then they will just leave, it's like a warning to not do it again.
Players are expected to know the rules. New or not. Only the minority of hackers change their actions after some thought. The majority however go back on and hack again anyway. Perma-banning will send a message to all players new and old that hacking is not allowed. Temp-banning them is almost like saying "it's ok to hack once because it's only a temporary suspension".
@ryanparker500 I see you are saying Perm ban to show that they shouldn't hack on Avicus, but what if they don't want to hack and play as a normal player? So basically you can say Temp Banning is a warning to never do it again. Some people do follow that. So I don't like the idea of perm banning no comments.
Hackers are not banned for week, it's roughly two months for click aimbot which means that if a player was banned for a week they may come back and just start hacking again, but over two months the majority of people will acknowledge that hacks are against the rules and delete them.
I see your point but its best to get it through that hacking isnt tolerated, you come on a server knowing the rules and not breaking them, hacking is a rule that isnt tolerated. So you DONT DO IT but people do it anyways because they for some reason are amused by ruining the game for other people. In other words hacking should be a rule with a consequence of a perm ban.
@ryanparker500 I see you are saying Perm ban to show that they shouldn't hack on Avicus, but what if they don't want to hack and play as a normal player? So basically you can say Temp Banning is a warning to never do it again. Some people do follow that. So I don't like the idea of perm banning no comments.
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If a temp-ban is like a warning then why don't mods give out warnings for hackers? Because hacking is a severe offence and shouldn't be dealt with lightly.
@ryanparker500 I see you are saying Perm ban to show that they shouldn't hack on Avicus, but what if they don't want to hack and play as a normal player? So basically you can say Temp Banning is a warning to never do it again. Some people do follow that. So I don't like the idea of perm banning no comments.
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Ok well you should get temp banned for a day or two for consquetive swearing. Or for a month for a few pages of infractions, but hacking should a perm ban because people get temp banned and are tempted to come back and hack again to ruin the game for people enjoying it
I see your point but its best to get it through that hacking isnt tolerated, you come on a server knowing the rules and not breaking them, hacking is a rule that isnt tolerated. So you DONT DO IT but people do it anyways because they for some reason are amused by ruining the game for other people. In other words hacking should be a rule with a consequence of a perm ban.
It's true that hacking isn't tolerated which is why we don't just kick them we are saying "You have hacked therefore you will be given x amount of time away from the server to realize that hacking is wrong." Most hackers just leave after they are banned as well, the server means nothing to them so they just move to another server to hack on while the others who are loyal stay.
Most players don't come back hacking, they learn from their previous actions.
But at what cost? Hackers ruin the game for everyone. Having hem come back after X amount of months is just a waste of time and a kick in the teeth to the innocent players who were affected.
ryan, most people would learn from a tempban, or they will quit avicus and move on to hack on a another server. the same goes for a ban, but they can't get back on, and not all people would know they can appeal, despite the message on the ban screen...
Ok well you should get temp banned for a day or two for consquetive swearing. Or for a month for a few pages of infractions, but hacking should a perm ban because people get temp banned and are tempted to come back and hack again to ruin the game for people enjoying it
You think you get only temp banned for days for hacking? Its a mininal month. Atleast give them a chance to think about it, then the mods can take care of it.
It's true that hacking isn't tolerated which is why we don't just kick them we are saying "You have hacked therefore you will be given x amount of time away from the server to realize that hacking is wrong." Most hackers just leave after they are banned as well, the server means nothing to them so they just move to another server to hack on while the others who are loyal stay.
You guys can do your own way of dealing with hackers, if that works then great. I was just putting up my opinion and it became an arguement. Therefore i will stop arguing with the moderators and they can do what they want to.
It's true that hacking isn't tolerated which is why we don't just kick them we are saying "You have hacked therefore you will be given x amount of time away from the server to realize that hacking is wrong." Most hackers just leave after they are banned as well, the server means nothing to them so they just move to another server to hack on while the others who are loyal stay.
But that doesn't solve anything. If they move on to another server an hack there then can you say you've truly got rid of a hacker? If temp-banning people doesn't matter because they leave anyway then why don't mods issue them perma-bans if there's no difference.
But at what cost? Hackers ruin the game for everyone. Having hem come back after X amount of months is just a waste of time and a kick in the teeth to the innocent players who were affected.
Honestly, I don't think you trust our staff. They come as fast as they can, the hacker only does very minimal damage to the game. Problem solved, the hackers mostly leave avicus because of the length of ban, and its not like there are 20 hackers in one game constently.
ryan, most people would learn from a tempban, or they will quit avicus and move on to hack on a another server. the same goes for a ban, but they can't get back on, and not all people would know they can appeal, despite the message on the ban screen...
Alright, but im just saying it could work just to perm ban them so they dont even have the oppurtunity to come back.
But that doesn't solve anything. If they move on to another server an hack there then can you say you've truly got rid of a hacker? If temp-banning people doesn't matter because they leave anyway then why don't mods issue them perma-bans if there's no difference.
If we dealt perm bans to all hackers sure it's fine to those who will just leave but what about the others who really does deserve a second chance?
Honestly, I don't think you trust our staff. They come as fast as they can, the hacker only does very minimal damage to the game. Problem solved, the hackers mostly leave avicus because of the length of ban, and its not like there are 20 hackers in one game constently.
I do trust our staff don't get me wrong, they do a great job. I just disagree with this method of handling hackers.
If you hack on a server that says on its rules NOT to hack but hack anyway do you deserve another chance?
There are many reasons; maybe they wanted to experience what it would be like if I hacked like all those guys who do it? Or they didn't really know it was a hack then they used it.
You mods realize that if you temp ban someone they usually will leave to another server, right? Alright so picture this, you temp ban a hacker for two months. Alright he leaves and hacks on another server then another, then another, then another and maybe the mods on the other server dont notice that he is hacking so it will take a bit, maybe a day or two or a week to get rid of him on the other server. Then he decides to check out the servers he was banned on and what do you know, he looks at avicus and logs on to see if his ban had ended, oh and look at that he comes on and starts hacking. If you would have perm banned you wouldnt have to ban him again, but no he is able to get on and hack again! In other words just perm ban hackers!
There are many reasons; maybe they wanted to experience what it would be like if I hacked like all those guys who do it? Or they didn't really know it was a hack then they used it.
I seriously doubt that's why many hackers decide to hack. If that is the case, then I think the hacker in question is quite nieve. But lets not stray away from the thread now.
If you hack on a server that says on its rules NOT to hack but hack anyway do you deserve another chance?
There has been a lot of talk about this between the staff and most of the time players don't read the rules so currently it pretty much means if you hack you will be temp banned. Perhaps a solution to this is have reminders in the chat saying 'Hacking is not tolerated on Avicus and you will be banned if you are caught,' if that happened maybe we could start delivering perm bans to players...
You mods realize that if you temp ban someone they usually will leave to another server, right? Alright so picture this, you temp ban a hacker for two months. Alright he leaves and hacks on another server then another, then another, then another and maybe the mods on the other server dont notice that he is hacking so it will take a bit, maybe a day or two or a week to get rid of him on the other server. Then he decides to check out the servers he was banned on and what do you know, he looks at avicus and logs on to see if his ban had ended, oh and look at that he comes on and starts hacking. If you would have perm banned you wouldnt have to ban him again, but no he is able to get on and hack again! In other words just perm ban hackers!
You know that even perm banning them on Avicus won't stop them to hack on other servers right? And when they come back, then the mods could say he is still going to hack and Perm Ban him.
There has been a lot of talk about this between the staff and most of the time players don't read the rules so currently it pretty much means if you hack you will be temp banned. Perhaps a solution to this is have reminders in the chat saying 'Hacking is not tolerated on Avicus and you will be banned if you are caught,' if that happened maybe we could start delivering perm bans to players...
eh, the chances of the hacker seeing that before being banned wouldn't be high...
There has been a lot of talk about this between the staff and most of the time players don't read the rules so currently it pretty much means if you hack you will be temp banned. Perhaps a solution to this is have reminders in the chat saying 'Hacking is not tolerated on Avicus and you will be banned if you are caught,' if that happened maybe we could start delivering perm bans to players...
Agreed. It would be good if there were reminders in chat. It would also be good if perma-bans were the punishment for hacking.
Something to bring up in the next staff meeting perhaps?
You know that even perm banning them on Avicus won't stop them to hack on other servers right? And when they come back, then the mods could say he is still going to hack and Perm Ban him.
Im not saying that if you perm ban him here he will stop hacking im just saying that if you temp ban him he will remember that he wasnt banned and come on and hack again. Other severs perm ban hackers to get rid of them for good, its just easier to perm ban him so you dont have to think about it anymore.
Depends, if it was broadcasted every 5 or 10 minutes or it was broadcasted in bold caps on first joining.
Exactly what i was thinking, broadcasting if you are hacking and you get caught you will be executed. I like your idea and thats how avicus should be. Im done posting here and cupcakes idea should be the way hackers are dealt with on avicus.
I do agree with you completely, in that most people don't usually "learn their lesson" and just come back to hack anyways. If they hacked in the 1st place, most of the time it means they don't care about the server, so why let them come back? However, rules are rules. Since the Sr. Staff made a new punishment guideline, we have to follow it.
I do agree with you completely, in that most people don't usually "learn their lesson" and just come back to hack anyways. If they hacked in the 1st place, most of the time it means they don't care about the server, so why let them come back? However, rules are rules. Since the Sr. Staff made a new punishment guideline, we have to follow it.
It's just a guideline though. Not a set of rules that ou must follow moderators use their best judgement in certain circumstances. Guidelines are only for reference, it's not something to strictly follow correct?
It's just a guideline though. Not a set of rules that ou must follow moderators use their best judgement in certain circumstances. Guidelines are only for reference, it's not something to strictly follow correct?
A system where hackers get permabanned for punishing is good. Players should know the rules, there are literally tips in game to check out the rules. If you join a server, it's your job to completely understand the rules.
Comepletely agreed with the OP. Hacking should be a permanent-ban IMO. And I don't get it why mods have to follow the guidelines so strictly? As Peachy stated.
Comepletely agreed with the OP. Hacking should be a permanent-ban IMO. And I don't get it why mods have to follow the guidelines so strictly? As Peachy stated.
Yea, guidelines should be used for reference they shouldn't be so strictly followed. I mean, they're just guidelines but I'm not apart of the staff so maybe it's different? Idk..
If you do keep the temp ban system, "regulars" should get a longer ban as they know the rules. Not appealed quickly as they are a good community member and they are dearly sorry
If you do keep the temp ban system, "regulars" should get a longer ban as they know the rules. Not appealed quickly as they are a good community member and they are dearly sorry
That's not vey efficient. When a mod punishes they don't have time to go onto the website and check how many hours the player has played. That's just time wasting.
For hackers, the punishment used to be a permanent ban. However, they now changed it to a temp-ban because they want to give the players another chance, because everyone deserves a second chance.
If a staff member has clear video evidence of a player hacking than it is a perma ban. If a staff member bans a player based on what they saw ingame, the video isn't 100% clear or it is a report from a player, then a tempban should be given.
I feel, if someone does hack not once but twice or even more times, there should be a permanent ban already the first time this member was caught hacking. Some players don't really understand the rules and thinks it's allowed to hack if they "contribute" to Avicus in some way or if they make a ban appeal when they get caught. (I'm not pointing out any specific member c:)
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