Why I was demoted. by imryaan July 19, 2017 at 9:07 PM UTC
1. Using community servers as scrim when told not prior 2. Kicking players from scrim servers instead of uninviting - Demotion reasons 3. Poor behavior for a staff member 1st. (Using community servers as scrim when told not prior) I originally got this warning as Mapdev. However, after I retired from MapDev, Austin wanted to move the warning to a general staff warning (I don't even know why) Proof:
I'm not going to deny that I did use community servers as the scrim servers were broken at the time. However, I find it rather amusing how "somebody" wanted my MapDev warning to be a general staff warning. No bias at all right? 2nd. This is false. I have kicked people from scrim servers in the past as the team leaders have specifically requested the certain player to not spectate for whatever reason. However, people with ranks (such as Streamer, Referee) have abused their rank to continuously joined the scrim server when a leader can't do anything because of their rank let's them join scrim servers without inviting them.
2nd (Kicking players from scrim servers instead of uninviting)
https://avicus.net/punishments/679108 Remy was AFK and we needed somebody to sub in so I had to kick him.
https://avicus.net/punishments/678852 This was on a community server when we were doing a megascrim and he decided to join and just ignored the people telling him to join specs. Hence why I kicked him.
https://avicus.net/punishments/678274 If I recall correctly, Jaystah joined one of the teams in the megascrim and went AFK so I had to kick him. https://avicus.net/punishments/675785 Same as the 2nd punishment 3rd (Poor behavior for a staff member) This is pretty valid as at the time of Eric's demotion from media I defended him when he was demoted by ALM (Owner) I did misbehave and such. But think about it this way, how is it fair for someone who isn't even head of media or whatever to demote them because they're owner and have all the powers and no-body can stop them.
pinksheps July 19, 2017 at 9:07 PM UTC
bc ur badBoldAndBrash July 19, 2017 at 9:07 PM UTC
press F to pay respectsTazz July 19, 2017 at 10:07 PM UTC
me and u can be no rank friendsLFT July 19, 2017 at 10:07 PM UTC
me and u can be no rank friends
Tazz July 19, 2017 at 10:07 PM UTC
hes still referee
but he won't tell u beforehand
LFT July 19, 2017 at 10:07 PM UTC
ye but austin will demote him soon so
but he won't tell u beforehand
ytilauxesomoh July 19, 2017 at 10:07 PM UTC
LJunr July 19, 2017 at 10:07 PM UTC
lol moves a warning from a different side of the staff team to another just because you retired. Seems so legit._Nathy July 19, 2017 at 11:07 PM UTC
Wow 10/10 nice fair demotionI think by this stage people are starting to realise that Austin is the worst thing that's happened to Avicus,
He must be taking substances of some description, surely someone can't be this bloody loopy.....
Enjoy being a ref for the next few days before he decides to move another staff warning over or some bullshit like that
dev_revs July 19, 2017 at 11:07 PM UTC
Wow 10/10 nice fair demotion
I think by this stage people are starting to realise that Austin is the worst thing that's happened to Avicus,
He must be taking substances of some description, surely someone can't be this bloody loopy.....
Enjoy being a ref for the next few days before he decides to move another staff warning over or some bullshit like that
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AtditC July 20, 2017 at 1:07 AM UTC
Avicus Drama is REAL!!!Crazy_ July 20, 2017 at 1:07 AM UTC
Just so you're aware, your staff warnings and demotion were not decided by one single person alone. The entire Senior staff team discussed and reached this conclusion together.I'll post more in a bit to outline anything you aren't clear of, like the first warning - which if I recall correctly I explained why you had it when I gave you the warning.
SamuelJacob9 July 20, 2017 at 4:07 AM UTC
Remember this is AvicusDaGoldBrick July 20, 2017 at 4:07 AM UTC
when is 1.7 coming backBleeple July 20, 2017 at 4:07 AM UTC
HmmBleeple July 20, 2017 at 4:07 AM UTC
when is 1.7 coming back
Dokyle July 20, 2017 at 4:07 AM UTC
Lcellish July 20, 2017 at 5:07 AM UTC
right to dream_Nathy July 20, 2017 at 6:07 AM UTC
when is 1.7 coming back
Riilo July 20, 2017 at 6:07 AM UTC
Okay, let's just start off by saying I was not there for any of the situations, so this response is based off what Ryan has stated."(Using community servers as scrim when told not prior) I originally got this warning as Mapdev. However, after I retired from MapDev, Austin wanted to move the warning to a general staff warning (I don't even know why)"
I can't really say anything about this, except for bias. Quite stupid and unnecessary. It's a fair MapDev warning, but unnecessary to give him a general staff warning right after he retires from MapDev.
" I have kicked people from scrim servers in the past as the team leaders have specifically requested the certain player to not spectate for whatever reason. However, people with ranks (such as Streamer, Referee) have abused their rank to continuously joined the scrim server when a leader can't do anything because of their rank let's them join scrim servers without inviting them. "
Ryan has been punished for kicking unwanted people from scrim servers? If I was to be honest, if Ryan was kicking people from the scrim server, when he can simply uninvite them, then that is worth a staff warning. The thing is, he isn't... I don't understand why Ryan has been punished because Avicus has given permissions to Ref and Streamer to join scrim servers whenever they like. Why is Ryan being punished for this, kicking them from the server is the only thing he could do after asking them to leave. If they are refusing to leave, then why wouldn't he be able to kick them, wtf?
(Poor behavior for a staff member) This is pretty valid as at the time of Eric's demotion from media I defended him when he was demoted by ALM (Owner) I did misbehave and such. But think about it this way, how is it fair for someone who isn't even head of media or whatever to demote them because they're owner and have all the powers and no-body can stop them.
I was only there for a tiny bit when Ryan was defending Eric's demotion. I don't know exactly what Ryan said, but defending someone should be fine, especially if ALM wasn't even head of media and demoted Eric (like what Ryan said).
Overall, quite a stupid demotion. Just my opinion on this
AstroPizza July 20, 2017 at 7:07 AM UTC
Hm...He was more of an asset than not, your loss.
ALM July 20, 2017 at 10:07 AM UTC
Just to clarify, the mod/mapdev warnings were given out at the same time and this was because of a vote in senior chat. That PM from Crazy is out of context and to quote him directly "really worded that staff warning wrong and it sounds like I'm throwing you under the bus."You were repeatedly told not to kick people, yet continued.
I am the head of the head of media.
Feel free to ask any questions and I'll provide reasonable answers.
Xuph July 20, 2017 at 11:07 AM UTC
Just to clarify, the mod/mapdev warnings were given out at the same time and this was because of a vote in senior chat. That PM from Crazy is out of context and to quote him directly "really worded that staff warning wrong and it sounds like I'm throwing you under the bus."
You were repeatedly told not to kick people, yet continued.
I am the head of the head of media.
Feel free to ask any questions and I'll provide reasonable answers.
why are you the head of the head of media when the actual head of media clearly knows how to solve problems and react to situations better than you; seeing as most of the media team disagreed with my demotion which was solely decided by you
Tazz July 20, 2017 at 1:07 PM UTC
Just to clarify, the mod/mapdev warnings were given out at the same time and this was because of a vote in senior chat. That PM from Crazy is out of context and to quote him directly "really worded that staff warning wrong and it sounds like I'm throwing you under the bus."
You were repeatedly told not to kick people, yet continued.
I am the head of the head of media.
Feel free to ask any questions and I'll provide reasonable answers.
_Nathy July 20, 2017 at 2:07 PM UTC
You're admin you have nothing to do with the Media team look at the policy
dev_revs July 20, 2017 at 2:07 PM UTC
Just to clarify, the mod/mapdev warnings were given out at the same time and this was because of a vote in senior chat. That PM from Crazy is out of context and to quote him directly "really worded that staff warning wrong and it sounds like I'm throwing you under the bus."
You were repeatedly told not to kick people, yet continued.
I am the head of the head of media.
Feel free to ask any questions and I'll provide reasonable answers.
Goodnighht July 20, 2017 at 4:07 PM UTC
Just to clarify, the mod/mapdev warnings were given out at the same time and this was because of a vote in senior chat. That PM from Crazy is out of context and to quote him directly "really worded that staff warning wrong and it sounds like I'm throwing you under the bus."
You were repeatedly told not to kick people, yet continued.
I am the head of the head of media.
Feel free to ask any questions and I'll provide reasonable answers.
vladthegreat100 July 20, 2017 at 5:07 PM UTC
I'm in the mood for a little banter.Don't get butthurt, just being blunt honest here.
1. Using community servers as scrim when told not prior
Well honestly I don't see why you have an issue with this from the mapdev warning going to a general warning.
You were mapdev, got a warning for doing something wrong, and retired later for your own reasons.
You then later got Moderator and broke the exact same rule that you knew already was wrong as a moderator. It would be a story if the mapdev warning were for something completely different like talking rudely to someone, but you did the exact same fucking thing. Also shows how much of a "good role model" you were as a moderator. You enforce the rules and tell people the rules, yet you break it and expect nothing bad to occur!
Sarcasm if you don't get it.
For the refs or streamers abusing their powers, they were only spectating correct? What's the issue that they look. If they decide not to leave, then cool for them, but don't go using your moderator powers to resolve your own personal issues. Not every team has a staff member that can kick people from scrims.
What you should have done was go and get an Official/Senior Staff to get the person to leave, and whilst waiting, you get evidence that you were asking him/her to leave and him not doing anything, and then reporting him/her to one of the head officials to deal with him/her. Him abusing his power does not equate to you using your power to deal with another staff member abusing his/her powers.
It was not affecting you in any way that the person was spectating at that moment, so it probably didn't need to be dealt with instantly.
2. Kicking players from scrim servers instead of uninviting
Isn't there a way to uninvite single players? Just uninvite Remy, and when he comes back, you re-invite him. Again, not everyone has Mod powers, if they don't need to use it to solve the issue, then you don't either. If there is none, it was your teams fault for having a player play in a scrim who went afk midway through the game. If a tournament you won't have the comfort to kick your teammate to make room midway through the game.
Using community servers to do Megascrims is the stupidest idea. Reserve a Scrim server or don't do it at all. There is a reason that it's a community server, to allow them to play, not force them to stay out, which I have a feeling that the #1 reason could have applied *Cough* Did you ever think of that ?*Cough*
Again for kicking an afk guy in a megascrim, if it were the public server, there is no rule that doesn't allow you to go afk in community servers. If it were in a scrim server, just uninvite. Not a hard concept.
3. Poor behavior for a staff member
Well seeing how you were kicking people in public servers for being afk, kicking other staff members who are abusing their own powers and not following rules that you were informed of and knew, I wouldn't call your behavior as a staff member a good one, nor one that I would like on my own staff team.
I'm not going to buy the Austin propaganda since there have been a shit ton of arguments on the staff team, and it rarely comes to people being demoted. Avicus Seniors tend to not frown upon arguments that occur within the team. It has to be super big like causing a hate group against higher ups (I'm not afraid of saying I led one as a media) so I'll rule it out myself. Apologies if I'm wrong and somehow new info comes out that that was the legitimate reason for poor behavior.
Come at me with any rebuttles. I'm very bored and would like to see you, or others point of views on this.
So I don't get my ass raped, I was not apart nor did I experience this and am basing my whole passage on what Ryan gave, no other information.
killerbye22 July 20, 2017 at 5:07 PM UTC
''they're owner and have all the powers and no-body can stop them.''What a stupid statement...
Ofcourse owners have all the powers... It's their bloody server, if you broke rules and you gotta get lost, get lost.
Saying that he isn't the head of media makes no sense either, he basicly made the head of media, the head of MEDIA (that means he is above it...)
thespina July 20, 2017 at 6:07 PM UTC
You posted a pic of ALM in the crede discord after people were being punished for it in the Avicus discord...even tho it turned me on it was fucked up.You can stand up for someone without misbehaving...
Spoookeh July 20, 2017 at 9:07 PM UTC
''they're owner and have all the powers and no-body can stop them.''
What a stupid statement...
Ofcourse owners have all the powers... It's their bloody server, if you broke rules and you gotta get lost, get lost.
Saying that he isn't the head of media makes no sense either, he basicly made the head of media, the head of MEDIA (that means he is above it...)
TylerdotMichael July 20, 2017 at 9:07 PM UTC
I'm in the mood for a little banter.
Don't get butthurt, just being blunt honest here.
1. Using community servers as scrim when told not prior
Well honestly I don't see why you have an issue with this from the mapdev warning going to a general warning.
You were mapdev, got a warning for doing something wrong, and retired later for your own reasons.
You then later got Moderator and broke the exact same rule that you knew already was wrong as a moderator. It would be a story if the mapdev warning were for something completely different like talking rudely to someone, but you did the exact same fucking thing. Also shows how much of a "good role model" you were as a moderator. You enforce the rules and tell people the rules, yet you break it and expect nothing bad to occur!
Sarcasm if you don't get it.
For the refs or streamers abusing their powers, they were only spectating correct? What's the issue that they look. If they decide not to leave, then cool for them, but don't go using your moderator powers to resolve your own personal issues. Not every team has a staff member that can kick people from scrims.
What you should have done was go and get an Official/Senior Staff to get the person to leave, and whilst waiting, you get evidence that you were asking him/her to leave and him not doing anything, and then reporting him/her to one of the head officials to deal with him/her. Him abusing his power does not equate to you using your power to deal with another staff member abusing his/her powers.
It was not affecting you in any way that the person was spectating at that moment, so it probably didn't need to be dealt with instantly.
2. Kicking players from scrim servers instead of uninviting
Isn't there a way to uninvite single players? Just uninvite Remy, and when he comes back, you re-invite him. Again, not everyone has Mod powers, if they don't need to use it to solve the issue, then you don't either. If there is none, it was your teams fault for having a player play in a scrim who went afk midway through the game. If a tournament you won't have the comfort to kick your teammate to make room midway through the game.
Using community servers to do Megascrims is the stupidest idea. Reserve a Scrim server or don't do it at all. There is a reason that it's a community server, to allow them to play, not force them to stay out, which I have a feeling that the #1 reason could have applied *Cough* Did you ever think of that ?*Cough*
Again for kicking an afk guy in a megascrim, if it were the public server, there is no rule that doesn't allow you to go afk in community servers. If it were in a scrim server, just uninvite. Not a hard concept.
3. Poor behavior for a staff member
Well seeing how you were kicking people in public servers for being afk, kicking other staff members who are abusing their own powers and not following rules that you were informed of and knew, I wouldn't call your behavior as a staff member a good one, nor one that I would like on my own staff team.
I'm not going to buy the Austin propaganda since there have been a shit ton of arguments on the staff team, and it rarely comes to people being demoted. Avicus Seniors tend to not frown upon arguments that occur within the team. It has to be super big like causing a hate group against higher ups (I'm not afraid of saying I led one as a media) so I'll rule it out myself. Apologies if I'm wrong and somehow new info comes out that that was the legitimate reason for poor behavior.
Come at me with any rebuttles. I'm very bored and would like to see you, or others point of views on this.
So I don't get my ass raped, I was not apart nor did I experience this and am basing my whole passage on what Ryan gave, no other information.
TylerdotMichael July 20, 2017 at 9:07 PM UTC
What's the point in moving a Map Dev warning? It's a Mep Dev warning for a reason, why would you make it a moderation warning? This was the final warning in his demotion, and honestly it feels like a pretty big stretch...
The final reason he was demoted (3rd strike), as stated, was poor behavior as a staff member. This was comprised of several different actions that he did not just one individual.
vladthegreat100 July 21, 2017 at 12:07 AM UTC
Vlad! I miss your long lengthy discussion topics we use to have like this. I always greatly respected your views and how you presented them ^^
Selfie July 21, 2017 at 1:07 AM UTC
Lmao Lprofbananaslug July 21, 2017 at 2:07 AM UTC
Vlad! I miss your long lengthy discussion topics we use to have like this. I always greatly respected your views and how you presented them ^^
rinn July 21, 2017 at 3:07 AM UTC
really? every time i'd read something he wrote in a "debate" i'd think he was either just plain dumb or afk in the head
Posighdun July 21, 2017 at 5:07 AM UTC
You posted a pic of ALM in the crede discord after people were being punished for it in the Avicus discord...even tho it turned me on it was fucked up.
You can stand up for someone without misbehaving...
+1
Numberz_ July 21, 2017 at 1:07 PM UTC
Some of your behaviour on the forums was rather questionable for the past little bit. You also need to remember that Avicus isn't a democracy, the admins, especially the owners (Austin and Keenan) get the finally say. So if you did something to piss either one of them off they can remove you, I know it's bias but it's their server.hasl July 22, 2017 at 6:07 AM UTC
If the head of the head of media demotes you, accept it with a truckload of salt and move on.If they want to drop an asset like yourself then so be it.
Blade00000009 July 22, 2017 at 6:07 AM UTC
you got demoted for using discord light themeMLGtino July 22, 2017 at 1:07 PM UTC
I'm in the mood for a little banter.
Don't get butthurt, just being blunt honest here.
1. Using community servers as scrim when told not prior
Well honestly I don't see why you have an issue with this from the mapdev warning going to a general warning.
You were mapdev, got a warning for doing something wrong, and retired later for your own reasons.
You then later got Moderator and broke the exact same rule that you knew already was wrong as a moderator. It would be a story if the mapdev warning were for something completely different like talking rudely to someone, but you did the exact same fucking thing. Also shows how much of a "good role model" you were as a moderator. You enforce the rules and tell people the rules, yet you break it and expect nothing bad to occur!
Sarcasm if you don't get it.
For the refs or streamers abusing their powers, they were only spectating correct? What's the issue that they look. If they decide not to leave, then cool for them, but don't go using your moderator powers to resolve your own personal issues. Not every team has a staff member that can kick people from scrims.
What you should have done was go and get an Official/Senior Staff to get the person to leave, and whilst waiting, you get evidence that you were asking him/her to leave and him not doing anything, and then reporting him/her to one of the head officials to deal with him/her. Him abusing his power does not equate to you using your power to deal with another staff member abusing his/her powers.
It was not affecting you in any way that the person was spectating at that moment, so it probably didn't need to be dealt with instantly.
2. Kicking players from scrim servers instead of uninviting
Isn't there a way to uninvite single players? Just uninvite Remy, and when he comes back, you re-invite him. Again, not everyone has Mod powers, if they don't need to use it to solve the issue, then you don't either. If there is none, it was your teams fault for having a player play in a scrim who went afk midway through the game. If a tournament you won't have the comfort to kick your teammate to make room midway through the game.
Using community servers to do Megascrims is the stupidest idea. Reserve a Scrim server or don't do it at all. There is a reason that it's a community server, to allow them to play, not force them to stay out, which I have a feeling that the #1 reason could have applied *Cough* Did you ever think of that ?*Cough*
Again for kicking an afk guy in a megascrim, if it were the public server, there is no rule that doesn't allow you to go afk in community servers. If it were in a scrim server, just uninvite. Not a hard concept.
3. Poor behavior for a staff member
Well seeing how you were kicking people in public servers for being afk, kicking other staff members who are abusing their own powers and not following rules that you were informed of and knew, I wouldn't call your behavior as a staff member a good one, nor one that I would like on my own staff team.
I'm not going to buy the Austin propaganda since there have been a shit ton of arguments on the staff team, and it rarely comes to people being demoted. Avicus Seniors tend to not frown upon arguments that occur within the team. It has to be super big like causing a hate group against higher ups (I'm not afraid of saying I led one as a media) so I'll rule it out myself. Apologies if I'm wrong and somehow new info comes out that that was the legitimate reason for poor behavior.
Come at me with any rebuttles. I'm very bored and would like to see you, or others point of views on this.
So I don't get my ass raped, I was not apart nor did I experience this and am basing my whole passage on what Ryan gave, no other information.
rememes July 22, 2017 at 4:07 PM UTC
cutie
nig
vladthegreat100 July 22, 2017 at 4:07 PM UTC
cutie
ImTheRealBakugo July 22, 2017 at 6:07 PM UTC
This is avicus boys.TheMasterClock July 22, 2017 at 9:07 PM UTC
MLGtino July 23, 2017 at 11:07 PM UTC
wait what were we talking about again
Mehrp July 24, 2017 at 11:07 AM UTC
on a side note why does avicus have an admin with the ign "heyIgotrhythm" because that ign really gives me thoughts of a nice professional admin who takes his role seriouslydev_revs July 24, 2017 at 3:07 PM UTC
on a side note why does avicus have an admin with the ign "heyIgotrhythm" because that ign really gives me thoughts of a nice professional admin who takes his role seriously
Mehrp July 24, 2017 at 4:07 PM UTC
You're judging someone on their ign? Now that's quite pathetic.
DaFrozenBlaze July 24, 2017 at 4:07 PM UTC
You're judging someone on their ign? Now that's quite pathetic.
dev_revs July 24, 2017 at 8:07 PM UTC
if I got the ign "ilovebumlickers51412" wouldn't you assume I was immature?
{tag=dafrozenblaze} Well yes, but there is nothing wrong with the username.
BoldAndBrash July 25, 2017 at 1:07 AM UTC
if I got the ign "ilovebumlickers51412" wouldn't you assume I was immature?
NothingMatters July 25, 2017 at 1:07 AM UTC
ChertanProject July 25, 2017 at 7:07 AM UTC
Head of media? Na nigga more like foot of mediaK_R_Cord July 25, 2017 at 8:07 AM UTC
if I got the ign "ilovebumlickers51412" wouldn't you assume I was immature?
imryaan July 26, 2017 at 9:07 AM UTC
yeah no there was way more besides this. Kid let his power get to his head "streamers and referees abusing their rank" You might want to recollect the data you have there sir, a person with this rank joining for less than a minute to check out what's going on or to see if its the server they belong to. I quite often do it to see which servers are online and which aren't. Abuse is when you move people out of teamspeak channels without permission, kick them, tell people they can use community servers when the owner clearly said you are not allowed to, and respond "I don't care" when someone confronts you about it. Kicking people over and over for "leave" because you have your little mod powers after they have permission to stay. Also sneaking around in PM asking the leaders to tell players to leave because you don't want them there. I was probably kicked by you three times all abusing your permissions.
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dev_revs July 26, 2017 at 2:07 PM UTC
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cellish July 26, 2017 at 4:07 PM UTC
Wow 10/10 nice fair demotion
I think by this stage people are starting to realise that Austin is the worst thing that's happened to Avicus,
He must be taking substances of some description, surely someone can't be this bloody loopy.....
Enjoy being a ref for the next few days before he decides to move another staff warning over or some bullshit like that
Myv July 26, 2017 at 6:07 PM UTC
You're judging someone on their ign? Now that's quite pathetic.