Michael's Return as Senior Mod
by
gobernment
November 15, 2015 at 8:11 PM UTC
Hello,
Michael has been reassessed by the administrators, senior moderators, moderators, and junior moderators alike to be promoted to senior moderator. Michael, known as Newcleus, will be taking charge to help repair the staff team's problems and to improve how TeamSpeak currently runs. His goals are clear to provide a better server, and we trust him to also perform well in both aspects of staff and community: Being active on TeamSpeak, and working closely with the staff, while contributing to documents and giving feedback, we have assumed his return as a 2 week senior moderator trial.
As what with the reaction that may ensue, I request that all of you not assemble in hate to disrespect the staff further. We hope that this takes a step in the right direction. As well as this, I'd like to also mention the community slack so you can talk more about his position.
The most toxic person, who I belive was punished a couple of times and even threatened pel because he denied him once gets senior, straight away, without even having jr mod or mod first? Woah, this is just too much
I am not impressed at all with this. Micheal has shown poor behavior in the close past that shows that he is not ready to change. Sorry but this should of been more thought out.
Let's let Michael do his thing before judging him. No need to hate on any individual on the staff team (Especially the admins), it was a unified decision.
I'd appreciate it if you would stop being so salty and dramatic.
I'm pretty sure the community would also like it, if maybe the person who threatens staff, community members and has had atrocious behaviour since as long as many a person can remember, wasn't promoted to senior mod.
Perhaps the community would feel more knowledgable with this promotion if the administration team could post the reasons why this happened and provide counter-arguments so at least we know your reasonings.
Perhaps the community would feel more knowledgable with this promotion if the administration team could post the reasons why this happened and provide counter-arguments so at least we know your reasonings.
I've messaged para about it but still no answer xd
Okay... so one of the most toxic members of the community get's back a staff position after all that has been done.
I am willing... to trust the decision of the staff... despite it being unwise...
You guys have your reasons. However, I'd recommend putting him in a Jr.Mod position since during his retirement he was - and is - toxic. Since he was acting out, I - and many others - believe that it would be fair if he restarted from the bottom.
If I get my ranks taken for acting out, so should everyone else. It's only fair guys. (Not that I'm angry, I found my demotion to be justified as a matter of fact. But for someone who retired and then went on to act out - it's very unfair to me and all those who received the same treatment as me.)
Okay... so one of the most toxic members of the community get's back a staff position after all that has been done.
I am willing... to trust the decision of the staff... despite it being unwise...
You guys have your reasons. However, I'd recommend putting him in a Jr.Mod position since during his retirement he was - and is - toxic. Since he was acting out, I - and many others - believe that it would be fair if he restarted from the bottom.
If I get my ranks taken for acting out, so should everyone else. It's only fair guys. (Not that I'm angry, I found my demotion to be justified as a matter of fact. But for someone who retired and then went on to act out - it's very unfair to me and all those who received the same treatment as me.)
Your reply is quite biased.
1) SnowSX3 was given Moderator back just yesterday, when he retired as Mod. 2) You're saying a user that retired as Admin should go to Junior mod, Senior mod is quite fair in my opinion.
Okay... so one of the most toxic members of the community get's back a staff position after all that has been done.
I am willing... to trust the decision of the staff... despite it being unwise...
You guys have your reasons. However, I'd recommend putting him in a Jr.Mod position since during his retirement he was - and is - toxic. Since he was acting out, I - and many others - believe that it would be fair if he restarted from the bottom.
If I get my ranks taken for acting out, so should everyone else. It's only fair guys. (Not that I'm angry, I found my demotion to be justified as a matter of fact. But for someone who retired and then went on to act out - it's very unfair to me and all those who received the same treatment as me.)
Why do you care so much about it? I thought you didn't play anymore.
1) SnowSX3 was given Moderator back just yesterday, when he retired as Mod. 2) You're saying a user that retired as Admin should go to Junior mod, Senior mod is quite fair in my opinion.
wew lad.
He's saying it was a bad decision because of what Michael did after his retirement, which was a lot worse than what the other 2 did. (No offense to him, I think he has a small, but good change of becoming a good staff member again)
Ok let's stop this before it becomes a big issue. There are 2 groups so this will be easy to solve. Group A who is upset with Micheal. Just see how this goes and if you have any complaints remember that he isn't the highest group of staff. The admins are not blinded so if you have anything that proves Micheal to not be in the actions of a Sr Mod or what it should be, you can talk to the admins about this and they will look into it. Group B who dafuq you are. People have the right not to be amazed with Micheal. I myself am not but I talked to Micheal about this. You "defending" him is doing more harm then anything. He can talk to the people that don't trust him and he can deal with them. You are putting more problems then there should be. Both groups become adults and work something out. Stupid flame wars do nothing if you haven't noticed.
Ok let's stop this before it becomes a big issue. There are 2 groups so this will be easy to solve. Group A who is upset with Micheal. Just see how this goes and if you have any complaints remember that he isn't the highest group of staff. The admins are not blinded so if you have anything that proves Micheal to not be in the actions of a Sr Mod or what it should be, you can talk to the admins about this and they will look into it. Group B who dafuq you are. People have the right not to be amazed with Micheal. I myself am not but I talked to Micheal about this. You "defending" him is doing more harm then anything. He can talk to the people that don't trust him and he can deal with them. You are putting more problems then there should be. Both groups become adults and work something out. Stupid flame wars do nothing if you haven't noticed.
I understand where everyone is coming from complaining about Michael, and yes some of it may be true, but what Avicus needs right now is someone like Michael. He's highly effective at the job and will get stuff done. Gratz dude.
Let's let Michael do his thing before judging him. No need to hate on any individual on the staff team (Especially the admins), it was a unified decision.
Negatives? Michael has been 1 of the most toxic members in the community, made DDoS threats and made pel retire. Some staff think it is alright to promote him after 3 months he is toxic and 1 day he is nice. That is ridiculous and you promoted him to SR MOD not JR MOD.
Positives?
Michael did work sufficiently with his Admin role and did get things done. No more Mr. Toxic Michael
Negatives? Michael has been 1 of the most toxic members in the community, made DDoS threats and made pel retire. Some staff think it is alright to promote him after 3 months he is toxic and 1 day he is nice. That is ridiculous and you promoted him to SR MOD not JR MOD.
Positives?
Michael did work sufficiently with his Admin role and did get things done. No more Mr. Toxic Michael
My point of view; I don't agree with the decision
Only 13 staff members voted, don't generalise by saying that they all did.
It is clear that a lot of the community are not happy with the decision and, me being honest, neither am I. However, we should maybe give Michael another chance to see how it goes, but it should come down to what the community say and how staff feel in my opinion.
Not sure whether I can quite forgive Michael yet but we will have to see how he does, welcome back.
Any more disrespectful comments / memes / really off topic chain, and this will get locked. This thread's purpose was to congratulate Michael and explain his role, not to shit on him or to meme around being rude.
How can people judge someone's future by using his past as a fact? Hope you realize everyone is free to change their attitude whenever they want to, or you're gonna tell me none of you haven't seen those posts where people have apologized about their recent behaviour? Ya'll making me cry.
How can people judge someone's future by using his past as a fact? Hope you realize everyone is free to change their attitude whenever they want to, or you're gonna tell me none of you haven't seen those posts where people have apologized about their recent behaviour? Ya'll making me cry.
lol not even a week ago Michael ddosed Pel and threatened him and a bunch of other shiat that got him to step down :P Its pretty dang hard to change that fast :P
lol not even a week ago Michael ddosed Pel and threatened him and a bunch of other shiat that got him to step down :P Its pretty dang hard to change that fast :P
lol not even a week ago Michael ddosed Pel and threatened him and a bunch of other shiat that got him to step down :P Its pretty dang hard to change that fast :P
For the record: 13 Staff Members were allegedly involved in the discussion (Vice told me). Only two of which were Senior Staff Members (Not even both Admins were involved). No vote outside of the discussion counted. I, for one, disagree with the decision.
I am sorry if this annoys any staff members, but our new goal is "Transparency", and I am just telling the truth.
For the record: 13 Staff Members were allegedly involved in the discussion (Vice told me). Only two of which were Senior Staff Members (Not even both Admins were involved). No vote outside of the discussion counted. I, for one, disagree with the decision.
I am sorry if this annoys any staff members, but our new goal is "Transparency", and I am just telling the truth.
Good luck
Finally! We got a response, thanks for making it clearer Max.
For the record: 13 Staff Members were allegedly involved in the discussion (Vice told me). Only two of which were Senior Staff Members (Not even both Admins were involved). No vote outside of the discussion counted. I, for one, disagree with the decision.
I am sorry if this annoys any staff members, but our new goal is "Transparency", and I am just telling the truth.
Good luck
The senior staff team, however, was aware a week in advance.
I completely see where you are all coming from, when you are saying that you don't want Michael as senior moderator. I myself didn't agree with it at the beginning, alright? I talked to him through teamspeak along with other moderators, and he cleared up questions that we had, and in the end we ALL agreed that a second chance giving a second chance to Michael could provide benefit to the staff team and the community.
As Javi stated, this is a congratulations thread to Michael, if you feel you don't agree with this promotion, feel free to go and chat with him, thanks.
I completely see where you are all coming from, when you are saying that you don't want Michael as senior moderator. I myself didn't agree with it at the beginning, alright? I talked to him through teamspeak along with other moderators, and he cleared up questions that we had, and in the end we ALL agreed that a second chance giving a second chance to Michael could provide benefit to the staff team and the community.
As Javi stated, this is a congratulations thread to Michael, if you feel you don't agree with this promotion, feel free to go and chat with him, thanks.
Ok, so reading through the replys on the post is pretty much reading . "Michael is a cheeky Wombat"
I see were every single one of you are coming from. I know he's a cheeky cunt (mind my French) but like jeez give the man a chance...
He did amazing work for Avicus before when he was staff and he was a great guy to joke around and talk to.
So I don't see why he deserves all this hate for stuff that has happened in the past like let it go because I believe Michael can really help Avicus and shape it into an even better place. Like this is the same as when Iron got promoted back to mod like everyone I talked to seemed pissed about it because they think Iron is toxic and an ass sometimes but like c'mon.
How many mods that have done great for Avicus but were toxic and were a pain in the ass?
So please give Michelle (Banter :p) chance before you Bitch him out ok?
Ok I'm done I'll leave it up to you guys to figure what the hell your gonna do.
I know at least one of the senior staff was away during the meeting and at least 3 of the mods weren't present.
Anyways, @Michael, sorry for my poor behaviour, that was pretty sad on my part and I should really hold myself to higher standards than that. Though I don't trust you fully yet, you seem to have the drive and will to make Avicus a better place and I wish you the best of luck man :). Thanks for understanding. I got rather caught up in the past, which I sincerely apologize for, I have no place to act in such a rude manner.
Ok, so reading through the replys on the post is pretty much reading . "Michael is a cheeky Wombat"
I see were every single one of you are coming from. I know he's a cheeky cunt (mind my French) but like jeez give the man a chance...
He did amazing work for Avicus before when he was staff and he was a great guy to joke around and talk to.
So I don't see why he deserves all this hate for stuff that has happened in the past like let it go because I believe Michael can really help Avicus and shape it into an even better place. Like this is the same as when Iron got promoted back to mod like everyone I talked to seemed pissed about it because they think Iron is toxic and an ass sometimes but like c'mon.
How many mods that have done great for Avicus but were toxic and were a pain in the ass?
So please give Michelle (Banter :p) chance before you Bitch him out ok?
Ok I'm done I'll leave it up to you guys to figure what the hell your gonna do.
lol yea, his moonman playing on plug dj was amazing as an admin. So tell me what he did when he was staff xd. Don't remember much.
For the record: 13 Staff Members were allegedly involved in the discussion (Vice told me). Only two of which were Senior Staff Members (Not even both Admins were involved). No vote outside of the discussion counted. I, for one, disagree with the decision.
I am sorry if this annoys any staff members, but our new goal is "Transparency", and I am just telling the truth.
Good luck
Transparency is the goal now? Ok, I got a load full of transparency in bound. Seems like you little way of throwing a tantrum on the forums because people won't listen to you on slack though.
It is clear that a lot of the community are not happy with the decision and, me being honest, neither am I. However, we should maybe give Michael another chance to see how it goes, but it should come down to what the community say and how staff feel in my opinion.
Not sure whether I can quite forgive Michael yet but we will have to see how he does, welcome back.
Why do you have the retired rank. How long were you staff? Other than that, decent post.
Why do you have to make a separate post for every person who you quote? Just condense it down to one post mate.
I would do one post if i could alert everyone of my response in the one post. Thats why we need @SnowSX3 to alert you so I can condense and not alert everyone separately.
Yes, I was in the meeting in which we voted for the promotion of Michael. I voted yes because he had good points but under the condition which I did say when we voted "Yes, as long as he gets a 2 week moderator trial first".
This didn't happen, which is why I disagree with the promotion.
2 weeks ago he made Pel retire, now he is back and a senior....
Votes are confidential for the most part, unless all people who voted are comfortable with their votes being released they wont be.
I'm not 100% sure about this, but what Kyoal said is that it looks like most of the moderators are disagreeing. For future references, can you please get EVERY staffs' vote on it? Thanks
The fact that someone who had displayed such shit behaviour gets to leapfrog to senior ahead of some of the hardest working mods is laughable.
but hey people change, hopefully this time for the better, if Michael can become one of the most loved staff members and help the server, I think everyone is gonna be happy.
This thread which what i think was just an announcement thread, it ended up being full with people who are flaming, almost ''crying'' that one person that got ''re-added'' to the staff team. I think Michael himself had a happy feeling about all this and now probably his feeling are doing really bad because all of this flaming towards Michael. If it should have been any ''flame war'' (which it shouldn't, just an example) it should have been towards the guy(s) whom threatened Pel so bad that he decided to immediately step down from Administrator.
This thread which what i think was just an announcement thread, it ended up being full with people who are flaming, almost ''crying'' that one person that got ''re-added'' to the staff team. I think Michael himself had a happy feeling about all this and now probably his feeling are doing really bad because all of this flaming towards Michael. If it should have been any ''flame war'' (which it shouldn't, just an example) it should have been towards the guy(s) whom threatened Pel so bad that he decided to immediately step down from Administrator.
The amount of inaccurate information and banter in this thread is immeasurable. I'm going to politely ask once and finally that if you have an issue with this promotion, either schedule a talk with Michael or talk to me. Carrying out drama and putting each other down isn't going to fix anything.
The amount of inaccurate information and banter in this thread is immeasurable. I'm going to politely ask once and finally that if you have an issue with this promotion, either schedule a talk with Michael or talk to me. Carrying out drama and putting each other down isn't going to fix anything.
If I get the time could I schedule a time to talk para?
If I get the time could I schedule a time to talk para?
If you're directing it to Michael, he's in TeamSpeak a lot to where it'd be quite easy. If you're directing it to me, you can talk to me via the community slack, and we'll go from there.
I wanted to say, I thought Michael was a very good admin before he retired. Seemed like a nice chap on ts and an overal nice guy
However after his demotion, I have to admit, the behaviour he had was pretty bad but I have faith I michael, everyone deserves a second chance in everything
If you're directing it to Michael, he's in TeamSpeak a lot to where it'd be quite easy. If you're directing it to me, you can talk to me via the community slack, and we'll go from there.
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