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Small Rules/Guideline Change 06/02/17 by PieZ February 6, 2017 at 11:02 PM UTC

Hello Avicus.

Just a little heads up about punishment guidelines since they do affect the community. The senior staff looked into a few rules that came into the question in the last month and has decided to change the how the moderators will be punishing those who break these certain rules.

Racism and Homphobic slurs will be counted as the same type of punishment. This means racism will have less of a harsh punishment for first timers and homophobic slurs will have a harsher punishment. 
Old:
Racism-14d temp ban--> perm
New:
Racism/Homophobic Slurs- 5d tempban --> 7d tempban --> perm

The term "Nigga" has left the classification of a racial term and is now classified as a swear word. The same rules apply for swear words and obvious use of the term to try to get around the racism rule will result in a racism punishment. 

Have a good day.

Rules take place starting in a week.

I can't put things into Announcements >.>

EDJM9 February 6, 2017 at 11:02 PM UTC

1st

Nice system, more "second-chances"

profbananaslug February 7, 2017 at 12:02 AM UTC

am i allowed to say "homo-sexual"

kycrafft February 7, 2017 at 12:02 AM UTC

am i allowed to say "homo-sexual"
I suppose if that's who you are, they shouldn't stop you from saying it....

yummys February 7, 2017 at 12:02 AM UTC

Thanks for changing the rules slightly. I did think it was a bit harsh to ban then for 2 weeks.

profbananaslug February 7, 2017 at 12:02 AM UTC

I suppose if that's who you are, they shouldn't stop you from saying it....
the good thing is no one can prove i'm not a homo-sexual as long as i suck a few dicks haha
as long as i remember to say no homo it's all fine

Xuph February 7, 2017 at 5:02 AM UTC

am i allowed to say "yo my nigga" or is it still counted as racism

Posighdun February 7, 2017 at 5:02 AM UTC

am i allowed to say "yo my nigga" or is it still counted as racism
In that context it would be counted as swearing. The only time that would be counted as racism is if you used it in a racist context to replace the N word ending in R.

Xuph February 7, 2017 at 5:02 AM UTC

In that context it would be counted as swearing. The only time that would be counted as racism is if you used it in a racist context to replace the N word ending in R.
hey that is unfair :(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

Posighdun February 7, 2017 at 5:02 AM UTC

hey that is unfair :(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
We can always go back to a 14 day tempban and counting it as racism if that's more fair :^) .

Xuph February 7, 2017 at 5:02 AM UTC

We can always go back to a 14 day tempban and counting it as racism if that's more fair :^) .

Myworld6 February 7, 2017 at 1:02 PM UTC

'The term "Nigga" has left the classification of a racial term and is now classified as a swear word.'

What's the logic behind this?

TooSweetSki February 7, 2017 at 1:02 PM UTC

'The term "Nigga" has left the classification of a racial term and is now classified as a swear word.'

What's the logic behind this?
It means it will be treated like a swear word.

If you say it randomly, you will no longer get 14 day temp banned.

But if you say it excessively or if you direct it towards someone, you will be punished..just like swearing.

They (swearing and saying 'nigga' have the same level of tolerance now.
But only the word 'nigga' has the same level of tolerance.

Racism will still get you temp banned.

Hope that clarifies it up a little bit. It wasn't exactly explained well in the OP.

Myworld6 February 7, 2017 at 1:02 PM UTC

It means it will be treated like a swear word.

If you say it randomly, you will no longer get 14 day temp banned.

But if you say it excessively or if you direct it towards someone, you will be punished..just like swearing.

They (swearing and saying 'nigga' have the same level of tolerance now.
But only the word 'nigga' has the same level of tolerance.

Racism will still get you temp banned.

Hope that clarifies it up a little bit. It wasn't exactly explained well in the OP.
'Nigga' is often used as an alternative to 'nigg*r', and thus it should be classed as what it is; a derogatory slur intended to offend a person based off of genes that are outside of their control - swearing does not meet this criteria. Players may take offence to this slur, so giving it the same punishment as swearing is preposterous.

TooSweetSki February 7, 2017 at 1:02 PM UTC

'Nigga' is often used as an alternative to 'nigg*r', and thus it should be classed as what it is; a derogatory slur intended to offend a person based off of genes that are outside of their control - swearing does not meet this criteria. Players may take offence to this slur, so giving it the same punishment as swearing is preposterous.
Only on Avicus is where you're gonna find that this type of shit is a problem..

I honestly agree with you.
Before, it was too harsh and now it is too lenient. 
It's a shame the people in charge don't understand how to fix this.

Myworld6 February 7, 2017 at 1:02 PM UTC

Only on Avicus is where you're gonna find that this type of shit is a problem..

I honestly agree with you.
Before, it was too harsh and now it is too lenient. 
It's a shame the people in charge don't understand how to fix this.
Good to know that a vocal staff member understands.

PieZ: Please check out my posts.

keller183 February 7, 2017 at 8:02 PM UTC

A good rule change! noice

Murphh February 8, 2017 at 1:02 AM UTC

Can you let us know who on staff felt "so strongly" that one word beginning with "n" should be reclassified as "swear word" because they don't want to punish their friends for being racist? Or would like to use the word themselves?

Frankly, this is completely ridiculous and I'm sad to see this even discussed as "not a racial slur".  You have a big problem on this server of not making some people feel welcome and if you let behavior like this go unpunished...something is wrong.

Is there such as strong outcry of players needing to use this one word in chat that constitutes a rule change? Unbelievable.

dev_revs February 8, 2017 at 2:02 AM UTC

Can you let us know who on staff felt "so strongly" that one word beginning with "n" should be reclassified as "swear word" because they don't want to punish their friends for being racist? Or would like to use the word themselves?

Frankly, this is completely ridiculous and I'm sad to see this even discussed as "not a racial slur".  You have a big problem on this server of not making some people feel welcome and if you let behavior like this go unpunished...something is wrong.

Is there such as strong outcry of players needing to use this one word in chat that constitutes a rule change? Unbelievable.
+1.

PieZ February 8, 2017 at 2:02 AM UTC

Can you let us know who on staff felt "so strongly" that one word beginning with "n" should be reclassified as "swear word" because they don't want to punish their friends for being racist? Or would like to use the word themselves?

Frankly, this is completely ridiculous and I'm sad to see this even discussed as "not a racial slur".  You have a big problem on this server of not making some people feel welcome and if you let behavior like this go unpunished...something is wrong.

Is there such as strong outcry of players needing to use this one word in chat that constitutes a rule change? Unbelievable.
If the community is dissatisfied with this decision, we will offer more of a lenient punishment for the term but keep it to make the server community friendly as well.

thespina February 8, 2017 at 4:02 AM UTC

Can you let us know who on staff felt "so strongly" that one word beginning with "n" should be reclassified as "swear word" because they don't want to punish their friends for being racist? Or would like to use the word themselves?

Frankly, this is completely ridiculous and I'm sad to see this even discussed as "not a racial slur".  You have a big problem on this server of not making some people feel welcome and if you let behavior like this go unpunished...something is wrong.

Is there such as strong outcry of players needing to use this one word in chat that constitutes a rule change? Unbelievable.
+1

apply for staff Murph (: you're active and mature, I think you'd be great

Myworld6 February 8, 2017 at 8:02 PM UTC

PieZ You still haven't replied to my question. =)

PieZ February 8, 2017 at 9:02 PM UTC

PieZ You still haven't replied to my question. =)
Sorry I have been extremely busy with college so only saw a few =)

PieZ February 8, 2017 at 9:02 PM UTC

'The term "Nigga" has left the classification of a racial term and is now classified as a swear word.'

What's the logic behind this?
The logic behind it is that we are not going to be as harsh with the word as in the past. We will still be restricting it and there are talks right now about it.

Myworld6 February 8, 2017 at 9:02 PM UTC

The logic behind it is that we are not going to be as harsh with the word as in the past. We will still be restricting it and there are talks right now about it.
So you're making an exception for one word? You might as well make racism less severe as a whole and give it the same punishment chain as swearing instead of making exceptions. It just looks weak otherwise.

PieZ February 8, 2017 at 10:02 PM UTC

So you're making an exception for one word? You might as well make racism less severe as a whole and give it the same punishment chain as swearing instead of making exceptions. It just looks weak otherwise.
In this rule at the moment yes, the ball was dropped and because of this failure, the seniors are talking more in depth about the new rules and deciding which terms and words should be more thought out because of this.

Myworld6 February 8, 2017 at 10:02 PM UTC

In this rule at the moment yes, the ball was dropped and because of this failure, the seniors are talking more in depth about the new rules and deciding which terms and words should be more thought out because of this.
''Nigga' is often used as an alternative to 'nigg*r', and thus it should be classed as what it is; a derogatory slur intended to offend a person based off of genes that are outside of their control - swearing does not meet this criteria. Players may take offence to this slur, so giving it the same punishment as swearing is preposterous.'

Players are far more likely to take offence to a racial slur than to a swear word, so giving racists a similar punishment to that which they would experience after several cases of swearing is ridiculous. It completely subverts the whole point of having punishments for intolerance in the first place.

PieZ February 8, 2017 at 10:02 PM UTC

''Nigga' is often used as an alternative to 'nigg*r', and thus it should be classed as what it is; a derogatory slur intended to offend a person based off of genes that are outside of their control - swearing does not meet this criteria. Players may take offence to this slur, so giving it the same punishment as swearing is preposterous.'

Players are far more likely to take offence to a racial slur than to a swear word, so giving racists a similar punishment to that which they would experience after several cases of swearing is ridiculous. It completely subverts the whole point of having punishments for intolerance in the first place.
With what this mistake is now, it would. With the updated version and more talks it shouldn't be classified as the same.

Myworld6 February 8, 2017 at 10:02 PM UTC

With what this mistake is now, it would. With the updated version and more talks it shouldn't be classified as the same.
Good to hear.

PieZ February 8, 2017 at 10:02 PM UTC

Good to hear.
Just messaging because I don't want anyone to mistake what I said because it looks a little mistaken. Updated* sounds like we have a new one placed at the moment. We do not. But, it is the main topic in seniors at the moment.

oshin__ February 10, 2017 at 1:02 PM UTC

fart

profbananaslug February 10, 2017 at 4:02 PM UTC

fart
ok bruv you can't just talk about this anti-o or whatever stuff without telling us what it is
and don't even tell me to google it because i don't care enough