The word 'faggot' by Riilo May 14, 2017 at 8:05 PM UTC
I have recently seen somebody get banned for 5 days because they called themselves a faggot/gay. Now, I understand that saying faggot is a rule, 100% get that, but when it's not directed and its a 5 day ban, that's a bit stupid. The word gay is not really inappropriate at all, it's just a word showing if you are sexually attracted to boys or girls. I mean, the word 'faggot' has been used as an insult for many decades, and I get why that is bannable. But why is it punishable if it isn't even directed, that's stupid. People say 'fuck you' and manage to get a warn if their unlucky, but as soon as you call yourself a faggot its a 5 day? The ratio between the rules is stupid. You say 'nigger' and get a warn and a 3 day temp ban, but faggot is a 5 day. I just don't get it, what are your opinions?Lytei May 14, 2017 at 8:05 PM UTC
No tengo ninguna opinión.MeMyselfAndGhost May 14, 2017 at 8:05 PM UTC
Good staff members my dude. Not even a warn or a kick just straight up 5 day tempban. Keep it going like that and you'll slowly lose your players. XD !AtditC May 14, 2017 at 8:05 PM UTC
MY FRIEND, WELCOME TO WHAT WE CALL POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.It's indeed very stupid to ban someone for saying faggot directed or not directed, serious or as a joke, for 5 days, but telling someone "kys" only gets you a warning or a kick, if it is serious or not.
But wait, how did it come so far? One word: Liberals. Nasty liberals.
#ThereIsStillHope #FightLiberals #FightCensorship #FightPC
dev_revs May 14, 2017 at 8:05 PM UTC
curious who banned them..you know what all the staff with say "we want a positive and professional environment"
TylerdotMichael May 14, 2017 at 9:05 PM UTC
Back to the topic at hand and responding to
Riilo:That is not the correct punishment for using the n word. That punishment falls under the same category as the one you are referencing:
- Racism/Homophobic Slurs: 5 Days » 7 Days » Permanent
profbananaslug May 14, 2017 at 9:05 PM UTC
political correctness gone madDaGoldBrick May 14, 2017 at 10:05 PM UTC
damn so according to avicus the letter L in the chat is 60% as bad as faggot is since saying L grants a 3 temp ban whilst faggot grants a 5 day oneAtditC May 14, 2017 at 10:05 PM UTC
damn so according to avicus the letter L in the chat is 60% as bad as faggot is since saying L grants a 3 temp ban whilst faggot grants a 5 day one
vladthegreat100 May 14, 2017 at 11:05 PM UTC
MY FRIEND, WELCOME TO WHAT WE CALL POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.
It's indeed very stupid to ban someone for saying faggot directed or not directed, serious or as a joke, for 5 days, but telling someone "kys" only gets you a warning or a kick, if it is serious or not.
But wait, how did it come so far? One word: Liberals. Nasty liberals.
#ThereIsStillHope #FightLiberals #FightCensorship #FightPC
dev_revs May 14, 2017 at 11:05 PM UTC
Back to the topic at hand and responding to
That is not the correct punishment for using the n word. That punishment falls under the same category as the one you are referencing:
- Racism/Homophobic Slurs: 5 Days » 7 Days » Permanent
Posighdun May 14, 2017 at 11:05 PM UTC
Incorrect actually, seen many times people do not punish for it because its allowed I guess. I've talked to seniors and mods about it also.
GYSK1 May 15, 2017 at 1:05 AM UTC
Lo gracioso es que la gente diga que estamos en el siglo XXI y que hay que ser más libres y toman la palabra "homosexual" o "gay" como tabúMyworld6 May 15, 2017 at 6:05 AM UTC
The logic behind it is encouragement. If you start saying it in chat, and aren't punished for it, there's a good chance others may take offence to it. On top of that, some people take offence to the word considering that it's a derogatory term, in the same way that 'nigger' is a derogatory slang term. Using terms like 'nigger' and 'faggot' put invisible walls between people by differentiating them based on something out of their control, such as their skin colour or their sexual orientation.However, I do agree that the ratio is stupid. I had a few arguments with the seniors about that disparity, as if you're going to punish someone for discrimination then you should punish them equally depending on the offence.
Off-topic somewhat, but the logic behind the term is rather stupid. A 'faggot' is also a traditional British food in the UK, while 'fag' is used for a cigarette.
profbananaslug May 15, 2017 at 7:05 AM UTC
The logic behind it is encouragement. If you start saying it in chat, and aren't punished for it, there's a good chance others may take offence to it. On top of that, some people take offence to the word considering that it's a derogatory term, in the same way that 'nigger' is a derogatory slang term. Using terms like 'nigger' and 'faggot' put invisible walls between people by differentiating them based on something out of their control, such as their skin colour or their sexual orientation.
However, I do agree that the ratio is stupid. I had a few arguments with the seniors about that disparity, as if you're going to punish someone for discrimination then you should punish them equally depending on the offence.
Off-topic somewhat, but the logic behind the term is rather stupid. A 'faggot' is also a traditional British food in the UK, while 'fag' is used for a cigarette.
Myworld6 May 15, 2017 at 7:05 AM UTC
pretty sure the jury's still out on "sexual orientation" being out of people's control
Regardless, it's still putting social barriers between yourself and others, so it's still wrong.
_Nathy May 15, 2017 at 8:05 AM UTC
It's more likely to be out of people's control than within their control. If it weren't, people in more homophobic countries probably wouldn't choose to be interested in the same sex.
Regardless, it's still putting social barriers between yourself and others, so it's still wrong.
On topic: Political correctness has fucked society so fucking far. What was considered wrong for thousands of years can now be legally fought FOR if some someone believes in it. Right and wrong has become opinion based not fact and that is depressing :(
SmokeJamo May 15, 2017 at 9:05 AM UTC
I called someone a stupid rat and told them to stfu (spelt out) and got a 7 day ban. But racism and homophobia is 5dayd? ok xdDiabolicx May 15, 2017 at 9:05 AM UTC
If it's directed to myself or not directed to anyone at all I don't see why it should be punishedMyworld6 May 15, 2017 at 10:05 AM UTC
It is very within their control, the gene science conducted so far is very clear on it.
On topic: Political correctness has fucked society so fucking far. What was considered wrong for thousands of years can now be legally fought FOR if some someone believes in it. Right and wrong has become opinion based not fact and that is depressing :(
That doesn't really account for why some more conservative members of society are attracted to the same sex, or why some people in more homophobic countries such as Saudi Arabia, where homosexuals can be put to death for being that way, discover that they are attracted to the same sex.
I could carry on discussing this but the point still stands that it's discriminating against someone based on a situation that may or may not be out of their control, and which is hardly immoral. Whether it was directed or not is irrelevant, as it's still using a slur designed to establish barriers in society (Gods, I'm starting to sound like a parrot).
'On topic: Political correctness has fucked society so fucking far. What was considered wrong for thousands of years can now be legally fought FOR if some someone believes in it. '
Just curious, but are you talking about things such as homosexuality, abortion, divorce, etc or just controversial topics in general?
TooSweetSki May 15, 2017 at 10:05 AM UTC
If it wasn't excessive or directed, no punishment should have been issued.Myworld6 May 15, 2017 at 10:05 AM UTC
If it wasn't excessive or directed, no punishment should have been issued.
TooSweetSki May 15, 2017 at 10:05 AM UTC
See my previous post, I don't want to have to write something out again. XD
That is not against our rules because he did not direct it towards anyone, nor did he say it excessively.
If this is the full story, a punishment should not have been issued.
_Nathy May 15, 2017 at 10:05 AM UTC
'It is very within their control, the gene science conducted so far is very clear on it.'
That doesn't really account for why some more conservative members of society are attracted to the same sex, or why some people in more homophobic countries such as Saudi Arabia, where homosexuals can be put to death for being that way, discover that they are attracted to the same sex.
I could carry on discussing this but the point still stands that it's discriminating against someone based on a situation that may or may not be out of their control, and which is hardly immoral. Whether it was directed or not is irrelevant, as it's still using a slur designed to establish barriers in society (Gods, I'm starting to sound like a parrot).
'On topic: Political correctness has fucked society so fucking far. What was considered wrong for thousands of years can now be legally fought FOR if some someone believes in it. '
Just curious, but are you talking about things such as homosexuality, abortion, divorce, etc or just controversial topics in general?
'On topic: Political correctness has fucked society so fucking far. What was considered wrong for thousands of years can now be legally fought FOR if some someone believes in it. '
Just curious, but are you talking about things such as homosexuality, abortion, divorce, etc or just controversial topics in general?
Divorce and abortion have always been debated in the past, since abortions were made possible they have been debated and divorce has always existed, although its approval varied depending on cultural histories. However all unnatural sexual relationships have been widely agreed upon until the second half of the 1900s. The rise of the LGBT community is a direct consequence of the overuse of "political correctness".
SmokeJamo May 15, 2017 at 10:05 AM UTC
The player who got banned allegedly called himself a faggot before getting banned.
That is not against our rules because he did not direct it towards anyone, nor did he say it excessively.
If this is the full story, a punishment should not have been issued.
(Not directed at you by he way just general, from what I've seen your good)
SamuelJacob9 May 15, 2017 at 11:05 AM UTC
Can the staff team just make up a rule that everyone agrees on. Every single time a rule is brought up the staff disagree if it should be punishable or not. Make up your minds.Posighdun May 15, 2017 at 12:05 PM UTC
Can the staff team just make up a rule that everyone agrees on. Every single time a rule is brought up the staff disagree if it should be punishable or not. Make up your minds.
TooSweetSki May 15, 2017 at 12:05 PM UTC
Can the staff team just make up a rule that everyone agrees on. Every single time a rule is brought up the staff disagree if it should be punishable or not. Make up your minds.
It's that some staff don't make themselves aware of a situation before punishing.
They'll see key words and issue punishments without analysing the context of how the words were used.
It's an experience thing more than anything else.
You'll see this more with newer Moderators.
It's not really their fault, it'd be the quality of the training they've received and how well their Mentors have mentored them.
TooSweetSki May 15, 2017 at 12:05 PM UTC
Different moderators have different interpretations of the rules. However i can clarify for you, the word itself is enough to be punished little alone if it's directed or excessive.
Yes, Moderators use their personal judgement when enforcing the rules, but we aim as a collective to maintain symmetry when punishing.
Or in other words, even though we have different interpretations of the same rules, ideally, we should all be issuing out the same (or similar) punishments regardless of who the moderator is.
Saying "different Moderators have different interpretations of the rules" implies that we constantly issue different types of punishments for the same thing, which isn't what we aim to do as a team.
Posighdun May 15, 2017 at 12:05 PM UTC
That's a bad way to phrase it.
Yes, Moderators use their personal judgement when enforcing the rules, but we aim as a collective to maintain symmetry when punishing.
Or in other words, even though we have different interpretations of the same rules, ideally, we should all be issuing out the same (or similar) punishments regardless of who the moderator is.
Saying "different Moderators have different interpretations of the rules" implies that we constantly issue different types of punishments for the same thing, which isn't what we aim to do as a team.
TooSweetSki May 15, 2017 at 12:05 PM UTC
Ah but we do. There is quite a bit of a difference when it comes to mods punishing others. But like I say, It's up to them, you don't have to follow guidelines as long as you can justify it. I get what your saying but there is always context, which we can never account for in the guidelines as there are so many ways people can say things.
My point was that as a team we aim to maintain symmetry with all punishments regardless of the moderator. Obviously it's not going to be perfect with every unique situation, but it's a constant goal to have anyway. (So that we don't seem biased if we give our varying infractions for the same punishment)
tl;dr I agree with your post. But am attempting to clarify what I meant :P
xNemoII May 15, 2017 at 1:05 PM UTC
I called someone a stupid rat and told them to stfu (spelt out) and got a 7 day ban. But racism and homophobia is 5dayd? ok xd
Riilo May 15, 2017 at 7:05 PM UTC
Different moderators have different interpretations of the rules. However i can clarify for you, the word itself is enough to be punished little alone if it's directed or excessive.
Iron May 15, 2017 at 7:05 PM UTC
Why is this word so offensive? Why is 'fuck you' a fucking warn? Why is 'kys' a kick, why is faggot a fucking 5 day tempban. You don't get punished for swearing if its not directed, so why do you get punished for saying 'faggot' if its not directed?
Rombeyy May 15, 2017 at 7:05 PM UTC
Lo gracioso es que la gente diga que estamos en el siglo XXI y que hay que ser más libres y toman la palabra "homosexual" o "gay" como tabú
Myworld6 May 15, 2017 at 8:05 PM UTC
you fucking muppet. you're like 12 years old do you know what the word "faggot's" connotations are. You don't use slurs from the fucking 1960s anymore. BUT, yes you are right there should be nothing wrong with saying faggot or nigger if its not directed at anyone.
<3
Myworld6 May 15, 2017 at 8:05 PM UTC
The player who got banned allegedly called himself a faggot before getting banned.
That is not against our rules because he did not direct it towards anyone, nor did he say it excessively.
If this is the full story, a punishment should not have been issued.
Myworld6 May 15, 2017 at 8:05 PM UTC
Discriminating for the sake of bullying someone is just being an arsehole, anything done to bully someone is wrong. But even without the slur there are still some very clear barriers set up in society regarding sexuality. If it was directed or not does matter, people shouldn't be limited to what they say just in case someone who takes offence to is in earshot. That is one of the worst impacts of the rise of political correctness. If I was gay and saw someone type fag in chat, I don't think they are trying to bully me. Just like the kys rule, listen, they are 99% of the time not urging you to kill yourself, they're pissed off they died in online lego.
'On topic: Political correctness has fucked society so fucking far. What was considered wrong for thousands of years can now be legally fought FOR if some someone believes in it. '
Just curious, but are you talking about things such as homosexuality, abortion, divorce, etc or just controversial topics in general?
Divorce and abortion have always been debated in the past, since abortions were made possible they have been debated and divorce has always existed, although its approval varied depending on cultural histories. However all unnatural sexual relationships have been widely agreed upon until the second half of the 1900s. The rise of the LGBT community is a direct consequence of the overuse of "political correctness".
Fair enough, but by using a term such as 'faggot' the one who utters said term is simply maintaining those social barriers, and marginalising people based on a perfectly moral aspect of their psyche. While you may not take offence to it, it still expresses the outdated belief that those who are attracted to the same sex are somehow different to those around them, in contrast to what society once saw as 'normal', e.g. those who are attracted to the same sex are somehow less deserving than those attracted to the opposite sex, which as society, or at least parts of Western society, has shown should no longer be the case.
'On topic: Political correctness has fucked society so fucking far. What was considered wrong for thousands of years can now be legally fought FOR if some someone believes in it. '
Agreed, but there are some things in society that should be fought for. If I was attracted to the same sex, I wouldn't want to be discriminated against or have preconceived notions of what I am being maintained in today's considerably more progressive society. The same goes for abortion, divorce, etc.
Just curious, but are you talking about things such as homosexuality, abortion, divorce, etc or just controversial topics in general?
Divorce and abortion have always been debated in the past, since abortions were made possible they have been debated and divorce has always existed, although its approval varied depending on cultural histories. However all unnatural sexual relationships have been widely agreed upon until the second half of the 1900s. The rise of the LGBT community is a direct consequence of the overuse of "political correctness".
I'd say that the emergence of the LGBT community is more of a reaction to the backlash over decisions to give same sex couples more equal rights when compared to the 'nuclear family', e.g. marriage, adoption, etc. I'm not entirely sure what attitudes are like outside of Britain, but when same sex marriage was legalised in 2014 there was and still is notable resentment towards the concept. This is the kind of thing that the LGBT try to change. I also wouldn't really consider being attracted to the same sex as being unnatural, as I find it highly unlikely that in cases such as Oscar Wilde - a famed Irish playwriter who lived during the 19th century, where homosexual acts could lead to years of hard manual labour in prison - would simply choose to be attracted to the same sex as he. However, as you said this is a rather sensitive topic and quite questionable, so I won't say anymore about it.
Sorry for the wall of text. This and other social issues such as racism, sexism, etc are topics that I feel quite passionately about. xD
Iron May 15, 2017 at 8:05 PM UTC
Says about using insults from the 1960s while using a British insult from the 1990s.
<3
RATTLEWARRIOR May 15, 2017 at 8:05 PM UTC
gay = banAtditC May 15, 2017 at 10:05 PM UTC
GYSK1 May 15, 2017 at 11:05 PM UTC
Ta-bú ena tu idea xdxd LOLOL que juegos de palabras por dios