Looking for a new computer!
by
Camemes
December 4, 2015 at 9:12 AM UTC
Good Morning/Evening,
O have been playing on this crappy laptop for 3 years now and am looking for a new PC. I am looking for PC around $500 to $1200. Desktop or Laptop. So let me know if there are any decent PCs out there that are worth buy
This is a good build, however you put a 250 GB SSD in there and forgot a 1TB HDD. I also recommend only 8 GBs of RAM and a better looking case. Also, I think a 4690k would be bad, because he's recording. An i7 would be ideal.
Other than that, nise build. Don't bother making fixes, I'll do them myself.
This is a good build, however you put a 250 GB SSD in there and forgot a 1TB HDD. I also recommend only 8 GBs of RAM and a better looking case. Also, I think a 4690k would be bad, because he's recording. An i7 would be ideal.
Other than that, nise build. Don't bother making fixes, I'll do them myself.
an i5 4690k is more then enough for recording and gaming in general. I would pick an i7 over better components somewhere else when yo uare taking editing serious, cause that is the only time you will be able to use all 8 threads
This is a good build, however you put a 250 GB SSD in there and forgot a 1TB HDD. I also recommend only 8 GBs of RAM and a better looking case. Also, I think a 4690k would be bad, because he's recording. An i7 would be ideal.
Other than that, nise build. Don't bother making fixes, I'll do them myself.
I agree with you on the HDD and RAM thingy since MC is not a RAM based game, however, expensive cases are worthless unless you're looking for your PC to look fancy, plus the CPU is more than enough to record and render at high settings (Even an i3 was ok considering I get around 120fps whilst recording on 1.8 with one).
I agree with you on the HDD and RAM thingy since MC is not a RAM based game, however, expensive cases are worthless unless you're looking for your PC to look fancy, plus the CPU is more than enough to record and render at high settings (Even an i3 was ok considering I get around 120fps whilst recording on 1.8 with one).
Hyper threading is worth it if you can fit in in his budget. Trust me, it will make editing, rendering and recording a WHOLE lot faster. Plus for the case, I kind of put something random in there because it was like 11 PM and I was tired as f*ck. So I agree on the case thing, but anything which is big will do, for airflow.
an i5 4690k is more then enough for recording and gaming in general. I would pick an i7 over better components somewhere else when yo uare taking editing serious, cause that is the only time you will be able to use all 8 threads
A little future proofing won't hurt.
An i5 will become out dated a lot faster than an i7. Plus, if he plans to do mad editing in the future, and we can fit in his budget, why not :P
For the people who don't understand how to build a computer.... you have to get the best components you can afford. If you can get 16 gb of memory and an i7, go ahead, get it. I agree with Sevo on this one, future proofing won't hurt.
For the people who don't understand how to build a computer.... you have to get the best components you can afford. If you can get 16 gb of memory and an i7, go ahead, get it. I agree with Sevo on this one, future proofing won't hurt.
Wrote this on my phone.
I have a question.
I have been hearing things about 8 GB of RAM being enough and 16 GB making a big difference for other things than gaming. To my knowledge, 8 GB and 16 GB doesn't make much of a difference.
Also, tell me airflow vs water cooling.
If your too lazy to write something I'm fine with a video.
now, here's your homework Sheamus. All I need you to do is find a case on the website PCPartPicker that you like. Make sure it's less than 80$
Also, this is in CAD.
Seems reasonable but you're definitely skimping on the PSU and motherboard.
You have unlocked parts and a good cooler on a low end h97 board when you could have gone with a Xeon e3 1231 or 1241 for 4/8 at slightly lower clock speed and used the stock or a basic air cooler for almost the same results and saved about $300 AUD.
CX PSUs aren't for heavy use, they are for office builds but they aren't cheap because they are from corsair. I would recommend an antec VP 600 or EVGA 600B which are both decent power supplies and quite a bit cheaper or any seasonic or Superflower and most XFX and EVGA PSUs.
The 390 beats the 970, hands down. Get it instead.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Tn2tzy This should perform almost as well but is a couple hundred cheaper. I recommend putting the 2 SSDs in raid 0 and using it to put the OS and key applications on. The case is subjective so pick what you want as long as it's micro-ATX. You can get the OS cheaper from /r/Microsoftsoftwareswap and g2a.
dont do that, they use low quality components and have high profit margins. Basically like the apple of Windows PCs but they lack the quality and reliability as well as the customer support.
Seems reasonable but you're definitely skimping on the PSU and motherboard.
You have unlocked parts and a good cooler on a low end h97 board when you could have gone with a Xeon e3 1231 or 1241 for 4/8 at slightly lower clock speed and used the stock or a basic air cooler for almost the same results and saved about $300 AUD.
CX PSUs aren't for heavy use, they are for office builds but they aren't cheap because they are from corsair. I would recommend an antec VP 600 or EVGA 600B which are both decent power supplies and quite a bit cheaper or any seasonic or Superflower and most XFX and EVGA PSUs.
The 390 beats the 970, hands down. Get it instead.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Tn2tzy This should perform almost as well but is a couple hundred cheaper. I recommend putting the 2 SSDs in raid 0 and using it to put the OS and key applications on. The case is subjective so pick what you want as long as it's micro-ATX. You can get the OS cheaper from /r/Microsoftsoftwareswap and g2a.
I still think the 4790K would be a better choice, but I can agree on the PSU. As for the mobo, you don't really need much on it, he can deal with an okay but cheap one. As for the graphics card, the only reason I don't go with AMD is because there are a lot of people saying they overheat, A LOT.
@Sheamus Ill see if it meets the PCs requirements.
I have been hearing things about 8 GB of RAM being enough and 16 GB making a big difference for other things than gaming. To my knowledge, 8 GB and 16 GB doesn't make much of a difference.
Also, tell me airflow vs water cooling.
If your too lazy to write something I'm fine with a video.
For Gaming, 8GB in 2015-16 is more than enough. If you're doing heavy editing in After Effects or other programs that are really CPU intensive, and have to have information stored as fast as possible (if this makes sense) then yes, 16 will make a difference. I know there is a certain workload where a computer has to compress spreadsheets and even 32GB of memory isn't enough. If you want to make videos for youtube and editing in a program like Premiere Pro 8GB of memory is totally enough.
Water Cooling vs. Air Cooling? Well it's an obvious fact that water cooling will give you more overclocking headroom and keep your components cool. If you want to, going for a custom loop and cool your GPU, CPU, Motherboard, Ram, whatever, will be more effective than getting an all in one, say the Corsair H110i. But, if you don't need to cool your cards, or anything of that sort, only your CPU... an AIO (All In One) Water Cooler is fine. If you're getting an i7 3rd - 6th Gen, i definitely recommend a water cooling solution. Really easy to install and it will again, give you overclocking headroom. I don't recommend a custom loop for starters. It's just going to be frustrating, and it will cost a lot more than an AIO. But what about air cooling? It's slightly easier to install compared to a Corsair, Coolermaster, etc. cooler. But once again, I wouldn't cheap out on the cooling system if you're going to be recording, editing, overclocking, etc. with an i7. I made that mistake once, the CPU was fine, but the temperatures were to the point of me not needing to turn my heater on in the winter. However, Air Cooling is still not a bad option. If you don't plan on editing, compressing, recording, overclocking, it will do just fine (I recommend the Hyper 212 Evo).
Just for a quick fact ; all you need in your case is one fan in the front (intake) and one at the back (exhaust) for the best airflow. You can put more, but that will barely make a dent in performance. I can give a little more information if you need it, but here is the video on the fans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OmkmluAYAQ
Seems reasonable but you're definitely skimping on the PSU and motherboard.
You have unlocked parts and a good cooler on a low end h97 board when you could have gone with a Xeon e3 1231 or 1241 for 4/8 at slightly lower clock speed and used the stock or a basic air cooler for almost the same results and saved about $300 AUD.
CX PSUs aren't for heavy use, they are for office builds but they aren't cheap because they are from corsair. I would recommend an antec VP 600 or EVGA 600B which are both decent power supplies and quite a bit cheaper or any seasonic or Superflower and most XFX and EVGA PSUs.
The 390 beats the 970, hands down. Get it instead.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Tn2tzy This should perform almost as well but is a couple hundred cheaper. I recommend putting the 2 SSDs in raid 0 and using it to put the OS and key applications on. The case is subjective so pick what you want as long as it's micro-ATX. You can get the OS cheaper from /r/Microsoftsoftwareswap and g2a.
Your build is fine, I agree with the 390, but a Xeon? This is a gaming / editing PC, I understand that the 1241 is basically a 4790K, but you're losing the overclocking ability, and the clock speed is slower by 15% per core. And you have 4 cores on each CPU (4790K and 1241) so 15x4= 60. You're losing 60% of performance from that CPU. And if your Graphics card breaks for some reason, you have no integrated graphics to at least replace it until you get your new card.
If this is someone's first build, I doubt they would even want or know what Raid 0 is. Either way, the motherboard you chose doesn't even support raid.
EDIT: Well you won't get 60%, it will be more like 15% since, yeah, my math was wrong. But still, it's going to benefit going for a better performance CPU.
Alright, here's the final build. I won't mind ANY constructive criticism as long as you be polite with me. If there's one thing I hate more than bad PCs, it's people being a douche with me.
EDIT: I just watched a video comparing the 970 and 390. I knew the 390 would be a whole lot better just because of the 8 GB of GDDR5, but I was wrong. The 390 was only a couple FPS better than the 970, but with the same temperature. For the same money, really, why not.
EDIT 2: I just upgraded the video card. I verified and this is 1200$ in USD, but it's 1600$ Ausralian. Sheamus, can you tell me if this is alright?
Your build is fine, I agree with the 390, but a Xeon? This is a gaming / editing PC, I understand that the 1241 is basically a 4790K, but you're losing the overclocking ability, and the clock speed is slower by 15% per core. And you have 4 cores on each CPU (4790K and 1241) so 15x4= 60. You're losing 60% of performance from that CPU. And if your Graphics card breaks for some reason, you have no integrated graphics to at least replace it until you get your new card.
If this is someone's first build, I doubt they would even want or know what Raid 0 is. Either way, the motherboard you chose doesn't even support raid.
EDIT: Well you won't get 60%, it will be more like 15% since, yeah, my math was wrong. But still, it's going to benefit going for a better performance CPU.
LOL that is not how it works. If that would be the case I could also claim that my 4ghz quadcore is as good as a 12ghz single core
LOL that is not how it works. If that would be the case I could also claim that my 4ghz quadcore is as good as a 12ghz single core
Oh I'm sorry I didn't know accuracy mattered. Either way, you're going to lose performance with the 1241 compared to the 4790K. I wasn't trying to state clearly how much performance you would lose by Ghert. It was basically a rough idea about it, and in theory that would be how that works.
But before you think I'm some stupid kid on the internet, you are correct, that's now how it works. But compare the 2 CPU's against each other, and see which one does better in gaming, which quite frankly, is what we want here.
And technically you can lmfao. If there was a 12GHz single core, your 4GHz quad core will be faster at doing multicore operations. Per core, the 12Ghz CPU is faster (If that even existed)
Alright, here's the final build. I won't mind ANY constructive criticism as long as you be polite with me. If there's one thing I hate more than bad PCs, it's people being a douche with me.
EDIT: I just watched a video comparing the 970 and 390. I knew the 390 would be a whole lot better just because of the 8 GB of GDDR5, but I was wrong. The 390 was only a couple FPS better than the 970, but with the same temperature. For the same money, really, why not.
EDIT 2: I just upgraded the video card. I verified and this is 1200$ in USD, but it's 1600$ Ausralian. Sheamus, can you tell me if this is alright?
You have an extra $100, replace the 390 with either a 390X or move somethings around to replace it with a 980.
Oh I'm sorry I didn't know accuracy mattered. Either way, you're going to lose performance with the 1241 compared to the 4790K. I wasn't trying to state clearly how much performance you would lose by Ghert. It was basically a rough idea about it, and in theory that would be how that works.
But before you think I'm some stupid kid on the internet, you are correct, that's now how it works. But compare the 2 CPU's against each other, and see which one does better in gaming, which quite frankly, is what we want here.
And technically you can lmfao. If there was a 12GHz single core, your 4GHz quad core will be faster at doing multicore operations. Per core, the 12Ghz CPU is faster (If that even existed)
in gaming in most game you would not see alot of difference between a 500mhz difference. the 12ghz single core is actually faster in total cause of the latency between each core, and each core having to put their result in the cache. There is a law in computer science called amdahls law describing exactly that.
in gaming in most game you would not see alot of difference between a 500mhz difference. the 12ghz single core is actually faster in total cause of the latency between each core, and each core having to put their result in the cache. There is a law in computer science called amdahls law describing exactly that.
A single core (doesn't matter which speed) will most likely not be able to run most games, as most games require at least 2 cores... (correct me if I'm wrong). But for the most part I agree with you. I did make a mistake, and I should have admitted it, which I am now.
However, that still doesn't change the fact that the 4790k is better performance-wise compared to a Xeon 1241. And instead of multiplying the 15% per core, I should have left it as 15%. Looking at the benchmarks, the 4790k is roughly 15-20% better... (http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-E3-1241-v3-vs-Intel-Core-i7-4790K)
A single core (doesn't matter which speed) will most likely not be able to run most games, as most games require at least 2 cores... (correct me if I'm wrong). But for the most part I agree with you. I did make a mistake, and I should have admitted it, which I am now.
However, that still doesn't change the fact that the 4790k is better performance-wise compared to a Xeon 1241. And instead of multiplying the 15% per core, I should have left it as 15%. Looking at the benchmarks, the 4790k is roughly 15-20% better... (http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-E3-1241-v3-vs-Intel-Core-i7-4790K)
Alright, here's the final build. I won't mind ANY constructive criticism as long as you be polite with me. If there's one thing I hate more than bad PCs, it's people being a douche with me.
EDIT: I just watched a video comparing the 970 and 390. I knew the 390 would be a whole lot better just because of the 8 GB of GDDR5, but I was wrong. The 390 was only a couple FPS better than the 970, but with the same temperature. For the same money, really, why not.
EDIT 2: I just upgraded the video card. I verified and this is 1200$ in USD, but it's 1600$ Ausralian. Sheamus, can you tell me if this is alright?
I still think the 4790K would be a better choice, but I can agree on the PSU. As for the mobo, you don't really need much on it, he can deal with an okay but cheap one. As for the graphics card, the only reason I don't go with AMD is because there are a lot of people saying they overheat, A LOT.
@Sheamus Ill see if it meets the PCs requirements.
Yes, the 4790k will perform better but you added so much worthless cost, roughly $300 AUD for an extra 500MHz.
Almost all GPUs don't overheat to the point of thermal throttling. The reference card can get loud but the aftermarket cooler I picked should stay just as quiet as the twinfrozr 970. AMDs GPUs are a little less power efficient but it's really not a big deal, they don't get too hot. The main reason I prefer AMD over nVidea is because I dislike nVidea, they are an anti-consumer company. Guess why you didn't pick a AMD card, nVidea has done an excellent job at subliminal advertising, every tech YouTuber will use nVidea cards. No-one has done new benchmarks after AMDs new drivers that make the 390x (a $600 AUD card) better than the 980 (an $800 AUD card) or the fact that two fury X's is superior to two Titan X's because crossfire scales better than SLI. NVidea dominates the market and are able to pull of tricks to keep them in the lead and don't have to make the best GPU for the money. there is also the case of the 3.5GBS of usable VRAM on the 970 instead of it's advertised 4. Although it was just a miscommunication they never mentioned the fact that the last 512mb was very slow and basically useless until it was discovered and made a big deal. AMD is better in both performance and morale, just a little less efficient (that was a lot longer than planned)
Your build is fine, I agree with the 390, but a Xeon? This is a gaming / editing PC, I understand that the 1241 is basically a 4790K, but you're losing the overclocking ability, and the clock speed is slower by 15% per core. And you have 4 cores on each CPU (4790K and 1241) so 15x4= 60. You're losing 60% of performance from that CPU. And if your Graphics card breaks for some reason, you have no integrated graphics to at least replace it until you get your new card.
If this is someone's first build, I doubt they would even want or know what Raid 0 is. Either way, the motherboard you chose doesn't even support raid.
EDIT: Well you won't get 60%, it will be more like 15% since, yeah, my math was wrong. But still, it's going to benefit going for a better performance CPU.
Didn't really consider the lack of raid on the motherboard,I guess it could just be replaced with a 240gb SSD or a single 120. I'd say you are right about the raid idea, it was 2am and it always seemed like a good idea to get almost double the performance for almost the same price.
the point about the CPU was to save a couple of hundred, if he wants all the budget to be used the 4790k is definitely better although upgrading to a 390x would have more of a performance gain, not worth it IMO especially as he couldn't overclock in Sevo's build anyway but was about a $300 premium.
Alright, here's the final build. I won't mind ANY constructive criticism as long as you be polite with me. If there's one thing I hate more than bad PCs, it's people being a douche with me.
EDIT: I just watched a video comparing the 970 and 390. I knew the 390 would be a whole lot better just because of the 8 GB of GDDR5, but I was wrong. The 390 was only a couple FPS better than the 970, but with the same temperature. For the same money, really, why not.
EDIT 2: I just upgraded the video card. I verified and this is 1200$ in USD, but it's 1600$ Ausralian. Sheamus, can you tell me if this is alright?
Still don't think pairing an $160 AUD cooler with a h97 motherboard is a good idea, personally I would get a good air cooler like the dark rock pro 3, saving about $60 AUD and gaining about 5c on the CPU and upgrading the motherboard to a basic z97 board to hopefully get it to 4.5/4.6. It wouldn't me much noiser as you would have to account for the additional pump noise in the h100i and they both use 2 fans at a low RPM.
otherwise good build, I think we look at it from a bit of a different perspective.
to Sheamus: you don't need to spend that much on a computer to play minecraft and other non demeaning games like TF2. CSGO, LOL, WOW, Dota 2 and other older games maxed out at 1080p60
Still don't think pairing an $160 AUD cooler with a h97 motherboard is a good idea, personally I would get a good air cooler like the dark rock pro 3, saving about $60 AUD and gaining about 5c on the CPU and upgrading the motherboard to a basic z97 board to hopefully get it to 4.5/4.6. It wouldn't me much noiser as you would have to account for the additional pump noise in the h100i and they both use 2 fans at a low RPM.
otherwise good build, I think we look at it from a bit of a different perspective.
to Sheamus: you don't need to spend that much on a computer to play minecraft and other non demeaning games like TF2. CSGO, LOL, WOW, Dota 2 and other older games maxed out at 1080p60
I dont care really, I just want to upgrade to a better computer that isnt as crappy as my Windows Laptop
I dont care really, I just want to upgrade to a better computer that isnt as crappy as my Windows Laptop
That's fine, it's not a waste of money but you may be better build an $800 AUD PC now that would do everything you need well then upgrade later when you want to play more demanding games, like some of the newer AAA titles. You should still see a big increase in performance and I fear spending $1200 USD would be a bit of a waste as you wouldn't need all the power you can get from the rig from the tasks you listed but 2-3years later your $1200 USD PC would be equivalent to a $800 PC built from new parts.
basically what I'm saying is technology will lose value, if you aren't going to use it now no point in buying it, just wait intil you need extra power. For an upgrade from an old laptop to a MC/COD computer $1200 isn't necessary and I think you'd be better investing in a $600 USD PC now and saving the extra money for upgrades later when you need the power.
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