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Cross Teaming by Sevoo July 26, 2016 at 11:07 PM UTC

I still have no idea what we can and cannot do. I like cross teaming so knowing what isn't allowed would be nice. Thanks!

Xuph July 26, 2016 at 11:07 PM UTC

From what i heard you can "cross-team" e.g build houses with friends from other team etc as long as it doesn't give advantage for any team. thats what i heard recently dont quote me on this since im not entirely sure

dev_revs July 26, 2016 at 11:07 PM UTC

B. Network Rules

6. Do not cooperate with the enemy team in order to give your team a disadvantage.


Junr July 26, 2016 at 11:07 PM UTC

From what i heard you can "cross-team" e.g build houses with friends from other team etc as long as it doesn't give advantage for any team. thats what i heard recently dont quote me on this since im not entirely sure
I'm personally fine with it if there is less then 10 players on a server and majority of the players are fine with it. If not, then I give everyone a verbal warning to stop cross teaming; I also give a verbal warning to stop when there is more players that are joining.

Acceqted July 26, 2016 at 11:07 PM UTC

You're letting down your team and helping the other team. Even though we are a tight community, the whole factor is to beat the other team, each round. Therefore, cross teaming totally ruins the game factor.

Sevoo July 26, 2016 at 11:07 PM UTC

You're letting down your team and helping the other team. Even though we are a tight community, the whole factor is to beat the other team, each round. Therefore, cross teaming totally ruins the game factor.
What if we are fist fighting?

dev_revs July 26, 2016 at 11:07 PM UTC

What if we are fist fighting?
There are other servers for this, it is not needed.

Jahaj July 26, 2016 at 11:07 PM UTC

What if we are fist fighting?
That's fine but you can't get mad if someone uses their sword.

SnowSX3 July 26, 2016 at 11:07 PM UTC

I'm personally fine with it if there is less then 10 players on a server and majority of the players are fine with it. If not, then I give everyone a verbal warning to stop cross teaming; I also give a verbal warning to stop when there is more players that are joining.
That's a really bad way of looking at it.

As a Moderator you have to enforce the rules as they are stated in Avicus.net/rules

You can't not enforce a rule because several players don't want to follow it.
Even if it makes you unpopular you always have to enforce the rules when players break them. 

If you don't then it will cause confusion when another moderator does their job and kicks them for cross teaming where as you didn't.

It will also cause an inconsistency in the mod team.

Okiba July 27, 2016 at 1:07 AM UTC

As long as you aren't helping either team with your friend you should be fine.

Humblares July 27, 2016 at 4:07 AM UTC

That's a really bad way of looking at it.

As a Moderator you have to enforce the rules as they are stated in Avicus.net/rules

You can't not enforce a rule because several players don't want to follow it.
Even if it makes you unpopular you always have to enforce the rules when players break them. 

If you don't then it will cause confusion when another moderator does their job and kicks them for cross teaming where as you didn't.

It will also cause an inconsistency in the mod team.
Yea agree 110% you gotta do your job even if it's murph the cat

dev_revs July 27, 2016 at 4:07 AM UTC

I'm personally fine with it if there is less then 10 players on a server and majority of the players are fine with it. If not, then I give everyone a verbal warning to stop cross teaming; I also give a verbal warning to stop when there is more players that are joining.
You state you are personally fine with it which is a problem. You are kind of blatantly saying that you are fine with players breaking the rules if there are minimal players on. I understand that you may think its okay but its against the rules

Junr July 27, 2016 at 5:07 AM UTC

You state you are personally fine with it which is a problem. You are kind of blatantly saying that you are fine with players breaking the rules if there are minimal players on. I understand that you may think its okay but its against the rules
Yes ik, but sometimes there is a server with only 5 members on and they all are building houses, however, I always warn them that when a random person comes and join, to stop it. Some players do not have access to a scrim server like others.

AstroPizza July 27, 2016 at 5:07 AM UTC

I'm personally fine with it if there is less then 10 players on a server and majority of the players are fine with it. If not, then I give everyone a verbal warning to stop cross teaming; I also give a verbal warning to stop when there is more players that are joining.
Check your slack i sent you a msg.

This is not how we moderate please don't let this comment make your opinion of the staff team.
Just a simple mistake on his part , we all learn. :)

As for the topic. There's so and i mean so many different situations in terms of cross teaming that it's hard to cover all of them. As others have stated as long as it gives your team no advantage and the others no disadvantage then it should be fine , usually this is common sense. If you're unsure  feel free to ask a mod in-game as every situation is unique.

Things like building a house together is usually fine as long you build it out of the way of everyone ideally. This is usually a situational case but in most cases it's out of the way E.g spec spawn and it's a  bit of fun.
Fist fighting is also allowed but if they get killed by another player that's allowed of course.
Things  like letting you pass each other as a 'truce' is not.
I'll reiterate , it's easiest just to ask a mod at the time as every situation is  unique and i'm personally of not using broad times to a large amount of cases.

SnowSX3 July 27, 2016 at 5:07 AM UTC

All cross teaming shouldn't be allowed to avoid all of this confusion.
Even the mods aren't 100% sure themselves.

It should be that all cross teaming including house building should be punishable. 

Pizza states that trucing with the opposing team is not allowed and will result in punishment yet building houses, where people truce to build, is allowed??

The fuck kind of logic is that? 
It's a literal oxymoron to allow structures to be built by red and blue team members yet punish those who blatantly cross team.

Why would you allow one form of cross teaming but punish another form of cross teaming?

It's all cross teaming, and it should all be punishable.

Because clearly, with the way we currently have it, no-one, not the mods, not the srmods, no one knows how to enforce this.

Everything needs to be enforced with efficiency and consistency in a non-biased manner.

This is not happening here.

AstroPizza July 27, 2016 at 5:07 AM UTC

All cross teaming shouldn't be allowed to avoid all of this confusion.
Even the mods aren't 100% sure themselves.

It should be that all cross teaming including house building should be punishable. 

Pizza states that trucing with the opposing team is not allowed and will result in punishment yet building houses, where people truce to build, is allowed??

The fuck kind of logic is that? 
It's a literal oxymoron to allow structures to be built by red and blue team members yet punish those who blatantly cross team.

Why would you allow one form of cross teaming but punish another form of cross teaming?

It's all cross teaming, and it should all be punishable.

Because clearly, with the way we currently have it, no-one, not the mods, not the srmods, no one knows how to enforce this.

Everything needs to be enforced with efficiency and consistency in a non-biased manner.

This is not happening here.
I can agree with this actually, no point trying to be that typical just trying to fight my own side person. Your argument makes perfect sense. It was because we have never had a problem with it in the pass and it is just abit of fun. Again it was all situational and as much as the logic seems weird their's a lot more sense to it at the time then there seems.

As i said though i can agree this can just make it sound confusing, i'm going to bring it up in sr staff chat and get a more firm grip on what we allow and do not i'll ideally get it posted here after.
Thanks <3

Crimson_Aught July 27, 2016 at 8:07 AM UTC

We had such discussion already https://avicus.net/forums/discussions/4208254f2
P.S. While there is no staff on server... You know, what to do :>

Murphh July 27, 2016 at 10:07 AM UTC

Yea agree 110% you gotta do your job even if it's murph the cat
I agree. If I'm breaking the rules, please let me know and I will stop.  I don't want to ruin anyone's gameplay. :)

Sevoo July 27, 2016 at 2:07 PM UTC

Check your slack i sent you a msg.

This is not how we moderate please don't let this comment make your opinion of the staff team.
Just a simple mistake on his part , we all learn. :)

As for the topic. There's so and i mean so many different situations in terms of cross teaming that it's hard to cover all of them. As others have stated as long as it gives your team no advantage and the others no disadvantage then it should be fine , usually this is common sense. If you're unsure  feel free to ask a mod in-game as every situation is unique.

Things like building a house together is usually fine as long you build it out of the way of everyone ideally. This is usually a situational case but in most cases it's out of the way E.g spec spawn and it's a  bit of fun.
Fist fighting is also allowed but if they get killed by another player that's allowed of course.
Things  like letting you pass each other as a 'truce' is not.
I'll reiterate , it's easiest just to ask a mod at the time as every situation is  unique and i'm personally of not using broad times to a large amount of cases.
It'd be nice if, before cross teaming, we could get a verbal warn. As you said, every situation is unique and we'd like to know if we are breaking the rules before getting punished. Make it so when a player appeals the punishment regarding cross teaming that if he wasn't given a verbal warn the punishment must be appealed. I'm saying this on a player's perspective, one that enjoys cross teaming but would like not to get punished. It'd be very useful.

Silentdawnslight July 27, 2016 at 5:07 PM UTC

If by cross teaming you mean helping the other team to win by breaking apart your own defenses or blocking off your own teammates, that should not be allowed.

But I don't think somebody should be punished for not attacking a certain player, they're not really actively helping the other team win. And building houses together is no real harm either, is it? You can say you're not helping your team by doing that, but if that's the problem then wouldn't building houses altogether need to be banned? I don't think being a productive teammate has to be required. 

They'd probably be attacked while building houses together anyways. It seems like a dumb thing to punish for.