Walls Updates by Goodnighht August 3, 2017 at 2:08 PM UTC

you have to fix the playercount before you fix walls.

Not really. Let's play this out skipping a lot.

Walls stays how it is -> Avicus gets more players -> everyone still complains about how bad Walls is and how it should be removed. 
Nothing is fixed.

Fix Walls now -> Avicus gets more players -> Avicus gets players for main Nebula-type gamemodes, and some for Walls (adding more players)
Walls is fixed, and more people are on Avicus.

Just because we don't have enough players doesn't mean it won't help in the future to do updates... That's like saying that Avicus shouldn't do any updates until more people play on it. It makes no sense.

Wasting time on walls is the problem. Your theory is not going to work. People actually play the gamemodes that need to update, People do not think walls is bad, its worthless at this point.

Not really. Let's play this out skipping a lot.

Walls stays how it is -> Avicus gets more players -> everyone still complains about how bad Walls is and how it should be removed. 
Nothing is fixed.

Fix Walls now -> Avicus gets more players -> Avicus gets players for main Nebula-type gamemodes, and some for Walls (adding more players)
Walls is fixed, and more people are on Avicus.

Just because we don't have enough players doesn't mean it won't help in the future to do updates... That's like saying that Avicus shouldn't do any updates until more people play on it. It makes no sense.

dev's right bro. focus on getting more players instead of the gamemodes :/

But I can't focus on that. That's a whole different department of staff that I'm not involved in. The best I can do is prepare Walls for the new players that will hopefully come from advertising.

You guys never learn lmao

How so? This is the first time Walls has been re-added. All this post is doing is making the updates for Walls more known and the updates giving people a reason to play Walls.

Hypixel walls is practically dead. (Had only 100 people playing last time I checked which is nothing for a 50,000 player server) Why play walls on avicus with 3 people when you can go to hypixel? 

Your average playerbase can't even fill a single match.

Why would you want to split up the playerbase even more than it already is?  

Why wouldn't you put your time into something that players actually play? 

It was removed for a reason as was skywars and it should stay dead as nobody plays it.                                                            
Am I missing something?

I like this. I know players who played walls when it was brought back, but after a while stopped since the kits weren't up to par and the best maps weren't even brought back. Hopefully this will bring those players back into playing. Thanks for putting this effort in even when other players shoot down walls constantly.

when's the destroy rot update

Hypixel walls is practically dead. (Had only 100 people playing last time I checked which is nothing for a 50,000 player server) Why play walls on avicus with 3 people when you can go to hypixel? 
You just said how terrible Hypixel Walls is. People don't play Walls on Hypixel because it sucks. Give those people that would play, if it was good, a server to play on. Maybe they will find Avicus. 

Your average playerbase can't even fill a single match.
Point? Walls maps aren't made have perfect gameplay with maximum players anyway. That would honestly suck. The maps are made to hold 1-6 or 8 people depending on the map. A full Walls match wouldn't be fun anyway.

Why would you want to split up the playerbase even more than it already is? 
How would this be splitting it up? We can all agree that Walls, even if it was played every day or most of the day, there's not always going to be a server with people on it. When those times happen, the players would go to Destroy, Capture, or Conquest. Plus, like I explained when I responded to dev_revs. -
"Walls stays how it is -> Avicus gets more players -> everyone still complains about how bad Walls is and how it should be removed. 
Nothing is fixed.

Fix Walls now -> Avicus gets more players -> Avicus gets players for main Nebula-type gamemodes, and some for Walls (adding more players)
Walls is fixed, and more people are on Avicus."


Why wouldn't you put your time into something that players actually play? 
As I said above, again. 
"I was promoted to Builder for the purpose of helping to fix Walls. I was planning to try to fix it anyway, but now I can work closer with the Map Devs and have access to things that help. This also allows the Map Devs and other Builders to work on other gamemodes, like DTM, DTC, CTW, etc. "
Even if it's a waste of time, I'm the only one officially working on it, beside the small amount of time it takes to upload maps and check/fix XML if it's needed and the players helping.

It was removed for a reason as was skywars
Skywars was a project that I think anyone can agree, a lot more effort could've been put into it. Skywars was actually a fairly promising gamemode for Avicus, it was just set up terribly.

and it should stay dead as nobody plays it. 
Well, this is just flat out false. Not sure what else to say. Me and Prodigy sat on Walls02 for not even 20 minutes while we were fixing the kits and in that amount of time there were at least 10 different people that joined and asked us to start it/play with them. Sadly we had to tell them no for then because we were fixing the kits, but it definitely showed me and can be used as proof that people will play Walls, they just don't want to be the ones to actually start the game.

Am I missing something?
Well, beside the fact that the comment directly above yours is talking about knowing many people that would have kept playing Walls if the kits weren't broken. And now that those are fixed, those same people can come back on and play Walls with the new kits that are fair and work on every map with even outcomes.

Everything about Hypixel walls is 10x better than avicus.

If maps are made to hold 6 people you should probably lower the playercount on those maps.

Nobody will come to avicus to play walls. It's not going to happen. There are way better servers such as hypixel. No one wants to wait 20 minutes to play a match, and thats what they'll have to do if they want to play walls on Avicus.

I'm not sure why the staff would promote you to work on a dead gamemode instead of something like dtm. Pretty dumb. 

You can put as much time in as you'd like into walls but it's not going to succeed here, there are better servers to play on.

I'm not sure why the staff would promote you to work on a dead gamemode instead of something like dtm. Pretty dumb. 
Not sure you understood what I said. I'll give you a bit more detail. The Map Developers and other Builders are focused on DTM and other gamemodes.
I talked to Fouled about working on Walls, he said to go for it. It's needed updates for a long time anyway. Then, a couple days later I was asked if I wanted to join the Builder team so that I would be able to work on Walls officially, with the access to maps and help from anyone else if I needed it. Of course I said yes. 
Now to your actual question. I can't build DTM maps. I've tried, and I'm just not good at them. Even if I was good at them, I don't enjoy building them, I never would have applied for Builder or Map Dev, especially if it meant I was building DTM maps. I could build Walls maps all day, I love it, and I enjoy fixing them. I was planning to fix Walls anyway. I was promoted so that I can do that with more resources and officially.

Hypixel walls is practically dead. (Had only 100 people playing last time I checked which is nothing for a 50,000 player server) Why play walls on avicus with 3 people when you can go to hypixel? 
You just said how terrible Hypixel Walls is. People don't play Walls on Hypixel because it sucks. Give those people that would play, if it was good, a server to play on. Maybe they will find Avicus. 

Your average playerbase can't even fill a single match.
Point? Walls maps aren't made have perfect gameplay with maximum players anyway. That would honestly suck. The maps are made to hold 1-6 or 8 people depending on the map. A full Walls match wouldn't be fun anyway.

Why would you want to split up the playerbase even more than it already is? 
How would this be splitting it up? We can all agree that Walls, even if it was played every day or most of the day, there's not always going to be a server with people on it. When those times happen, the players would go to Destroy, Capture, or Conquest. Plus, like I explained when I responded to dev_revs. -
"Walls stays how it is -> Avicus gets more players -> everyone still complains about how bad Walls is and how it should be removed. 
Nothing is fixed.

Fix Walls now -> Avicus gets more players -> Avicus gets players for main Nebula-type gamemodes, and some for Walls (adding more players)
Walls is fixed, and more people are on Avicus."


Why wouldn't you put your time into something that players actually play? 
As I said above, again. 
"I was promoted to Builder for the purpose of helping to fix Walls. I was planning to try to fix it anyway, but now I can work closer with the Map Devs and have access to things that help. This also allows the Map Devs and other Builders to work on other gamemodes, like DTM, DTC, CTW, etc. "
Even if it's a waste of time, I'm the only one officially working on it, beside the small amount of time it takes to upload maps and check/fix XML if it's needed and the players helping.

It was removed for a reason as was skywars
Skywars was a project that I think anyone can agree, a lot more effort could've been put into it. Skywars was actually a fairly promising gamemode for Avicus, it was just set up terribly.

and it should stay dead as nobody plays it. 
Well, this is just flat out false. Not sure what else to say. Me and Prodigy sat on Walls02 for not even 20 minutes while we were fixing the kits and in that amount of time there were at least 10 different people that joined and asked us to start it/play with them. Sadly we had to tell them no for then because we were fixing the kits, but it definitely showed me and can be used as proof that people will play Walls, they just don't want to be the ones to actually start the game.

Am I missing something?
Well, beside the fact that the comment directly above yours is talking about knowing many people that would have kept playing Walls if the kits weren't broken. And now that those are fixed, those same people can come back on and play Walls with the new kits that are fair and work on every map with even outcomes.

Map Update
Nearly every map in the rotation right now has been updated.

• Lands.
• Raised Height Limit
• Made the area below middle accessible.
• Garden
• Raised Height Limit
• Added lapis
• Hawaii
• Raised Height Limit
• Edited the sides and middle to have a bit less water, hopefully to fix gameplay.
• Mt. Blizzard
• Raised Height Limit
• Mobs no longer spawn
• Village
• Raised Height Limit
• Added lapis
• Mobs no longer spawn.

What? You should have mobs enabled on Walls. It's survival too, some maps at least should have spawners designated for mobs (like clearing dungeons within Walls for extra loot). I also don't agree with raising height limits so much, that destroys gameplay with shitty sky bases, hiding, and unbalanced bowing.

What? You should have mobs enabled on Walls. It's survival too, some maps at least should have spawners designated for mobs (like clearing dungeons within Walls for extra loot). I also don't agree with raising height limits so much, that destroys gameplay with shitty sky bases, hiding, and unbalanced bowing.