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KB Reducing... by Legoche February 22, 2016 at 8:02 PM UTC

Why the heck do mods even ban for KB reducing. It's way too hard to tell if somebody is using a KB reducer on Avicus.
In case you haven't noticed, Avicus has the most fucked up knockback I have ever seen on any server.
Unless a player is screenshared and a KB reducer is found it shouldn't be bannable.

DISCUSS

piratewithgun February 22, 2016 at 8:02 PM UTC

THANK YOU <3

Jerseys February 22, 2016 at 8:02 PM UTC

no its not hard to find people reducing kb.

vladthegreat100 February 22, 2016 at 8:02 PM UTC

Well if there is a constant amount of times that said player has reduced KB and you have evidence of it then sure, ban him for it, but if it happens once or twice then don't.

Avicus KB is fucked up but it won't give you the same kb ratio every time.

kiwi654321 February 22, 2016 at 8:02 PM UTC

well lol it is soooooooooooooooo obvious you know dude, there is a thing called vertical knockback that you tend to take when you are using a kb modifier

Spoookeh February 22, 2016 at 8:02 PM UTC

This is a discussion. Keep it on topic please.

I do agree that Avicus knockback is messed up and it is hard to tell if someone is using a kb reducer. However, if the moderator has enough evidence from various occasions and not just 1 or 2 then the player should be banned and can later appeal.

resepignev February 22, 2016 at 8:02 PM UTC

Please don't go off topic. He wants to discuss this matter, so please don't post stuff like "Lego you're a hacker!"

And as far as I know if someone is suspected to use a knockback reducer he gets screen-shared or it's very obvious. As stated above you notice someone using one if they take an un-normal amount vertical knockback.

faht February 22, 2016 at 8:02 PM UTC

In this situation, I believe the moderator had enough evidence to ban, and decided not to screenshare. 
But in my opinion, when it comes to reduced knockback, I believe the player should be screenshared, no matter what, especially when the knockback here on Avicus is pretty messed up.
But it all really depends on how the moderator judges the situation.

Stimulating February 22, 2016 at 8:02 PM UTC

If you know what you're doing it's not hard, just look at vertical kb tbh. If they are bunny hopping they are likely hacking, not too complicated.

steven5703 February 22, 2016 at 8:02 PM UTC

why was my post removed

Cryomancies February 22, 2016 at 9:02 PM UTC

I think you'll understand the difference when you actually fight one.

BmB February 22, 2016 at 9:02 PM UTC

why was my post removed
all of us were

Sevoo February 22, 2016 at 9:02 PM UTC

Lmao its so overpowered on here especially. Basically makes you a god

BmB February 22, 2016 at 9:02 PM UTC

no anti-cheat avicus legend

gobernment February 22, 2016 at 9:02 PM UTC

no anti-cheat avicus legend
>Complains when we have an AntiCheat.
>Complains when we don't have an AntiCheat.
>Complains when we offer further squashing of cheating to compromise for a broken system.

If there's bugs, the devs are at the root of wanting to fix them.
As far as I know, regardless of if it's broken or not, I think you need to provide reproducing and stuff for how a system might not work, such as knockback. All the developers personally have said that they have not altered knockback in any way, and not in any way for blocklag either. It comes down to diagnosing the problem, and the lag on Avicus isn't the AntiCheat if you guys complain it's still lagging even when it's not active. It doesn't come full circle, there's a broken link somewhere in the chain.

I know devs are supposed to bugfix, but guys help them to fix it instead of complaining. The only problems we ever have if we do are host problems, and it's not usually that severe, and when we do, it's when we close. We also have a lot of users who have personal ping issues and client lag, so by all means, if it's a personal thing, there's not much Avicus can do to fix it.

Some users get okay knockback, some don't. I'm assuming each server HAS it's own "knockback" because of the players that are on it, not the way around for the server enough for it to be a constant issue. Maybe the freezing of players, skipping across the map, lack of proper knockback, lack of registering hits are not Avicus's fault at this point.

Even then, we've tried to patch some stuff.

piratewithgun February 22, 2016 at 9:02 PM UTC

In this situation, I believe the moderator had enough evidence to ban, and decided not to screenshare. 
But in my opinion, when it comes to reduced knockback, I believe the player should be screenshared, no matter what, especially when the knockback here on Avicus is pretty messed up.
But it all really depends on how the moderator judges the situation.
which situation?

ImRaging February 22, 2016 at 9:02 PM UTC

Hi

JDKL February 22, 2016 at 9:02 PM UTC

To an extent, I agree that screen sharing would be the best way to punish a player for KB reducer. However, if the evidence is considered to have enough proof to punish then there is no reason not too. But, a ss with the evidence would be the best thing to do.

ImRaging February 22, 2016 at 9:02 PM UTC

which situation?
A player on our team was banned for reducing KB, only the mods know the whole story so I request that it doesn't go any further than this comment tyty

DaFrozenBlaze February 22, 2016 at 10:02 PM UTC

Sometimes a guy takes like no kb, vertical KB, other days he takes a lot.

ImNotYourTiger February 22, 2016 at 10:02 PM UTC

Reduces knockback is hard to find because of other situations that might occur at that moment. 

Ping or lag, anticheat, and more affect the KB. Aswell as the KB is indeed messed up. Unless a screenshare happens, it shouldn't be bannable. Bans are happening for the right idea but the wrong victim/reason. You need evidence, not an observation

JDKL February 22, 2016 at 11:02 PM UTC

Reduces knockback is hard to find because of other situations that might occur at that moment. 

Ping or lag, anticheat, and more affect the KB. Aswell as the KB is indeed messed up. Unless a screenshare happens, it shouldn't be bannable. Bans are happening for the right idea but the wrong victim/reason. You need evidence, not an observation
It is still detectable without a screenshare and you could just record it and use that for evidence. Of course it depends on how sufficient it is but it can be detected still.

JustBudah February 22, 2016 at 11:02 PM UTC

Reduces knockback is hard to find because of other situations that might occur at that moment. 

Ping or lag, anticheat, and more affect the KB. Aswell as the KB is indeed messed up. Unless a screenshare happens, it shouldn't be bannable. Bans are happening for the right idea but the wrong victim/reason. You need evidence, not an observation
How is spectating someone not evidence? I don't think that you have ever seen a mod on kohi doing his job when catching someone for kb-reducing.

Posighdun February 22, 2016 at 11:02 PM UTC

+1

Stimulating February 23, 2016 at 12:02 AM UTC

Reduces knockback is hard to find because of other situations that might occur at that moment. 

Ping or lag, anticheat, and more affect the KB. Aswell as the KB is indeed messed up. Unless a screenshare happens, it shouldn't be bannable. Bans are happening for the right idea but the wrong victim/reason. You need evidence, not an observation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEClTOPQAVM&t=4m27s 
last hit I take vertical kb but none back 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTKHEGEulJQ&t=49 
bunny hops 

Not hard to see the difference. I used to have really screwy latency to EU Kohi and take absolutely no kb backwards, but I would still take vertical kb. KB modifier = less vertical

ImNotYourTiger February 23, 2016 at 12:02 AM UTC

How is spectating someone not evidence? I don't think that you have ever seen a mod on kohi doing his job when catching someone for kb-reducing.
Kohi staff can be different from avicus staff. Slip-ups happen and so does lag.

Juanooo February 23, 2016 at 5:02 AM UTC

Yes, it's possible to detect, however, results may not be 100% accurate all the times. Plus, I doubt any of the players in here (Judging by how bad they are compared to people in other servers and by how dumb they're at the same time) knew how to get a functional KB modifier. Vertical kb is still a thing with or without a client here due to this server's fucked up KB, let's be realistic.

_Mx_ February 23, 2016 at 5:02 AM UTC

I don't actually know what screensharing is - could someone explain more thoroughly?

DaFrozenBlaze February 23, 2016 at 6:02 AM UTC

I don't actually know what screensharing is - could someone explain more thoroughly?
Sharing screens and browsing through Minecraft folders or doing certain stuff in game or anywhere.

JustBudah February 23, 2016 at 8:02 AM UTC

Kohi staff can be different from avicus staff. Slip-ups happen and so does lag.
If you are a staff meneer then you should be able to notice it. If you can't then don't become staff.

Fuseh February 23, 2016 at 8:02 AM UTC

LOLLLLLLLLL savage

HarryRules2002 February 24, 2016 at 10:02 AM UTC

I got banned for this

TurkishDelite February 24, 2016 at 11:02 AM UTC

I got banned for this
you got banned for launching yourself over 9000 blocks in there air and it was like for like a minute which didnt affect the gameplay at all so it should be as severe as derp client
#freeharry
#freeharry
#freeharry

BmB February 24, 2016 at 10:02 PM UTC

>Complains when we have an AntiCheat.
>Complains when we don't have an AntiCheat.
>Complains when we offer further squashing of cheating to compromise for a broken system.

If there's bugs, the devs are at the root of wanting to fix them.
As far as I know, regardless of if it's broken or not, I think you need to provide reproducing and stuff for how a system might not work, such as knockback. All the developers personally have said that they have not altered knockback in any way, and not in any way for blocklag either. It comes down to diagnosing the problem, and the lag on Avicus isn't the AntiCheat if you guys complain it's still lagging even when it's not active. It doesn't come full circle, there's a broken link somewhere in the chain.

I know devs are supposed to bugfix, but guys help them to fix it instead of complaining. The only problems we ever have if we do are host problems, and it's not usually that severe, and when we do, it's when we close. We also have a lot of users who have personal ping issues and client lag, so by all means, if it's a personal thing, there's not much Avicus can do to fix it.

Some users get okay knockback, some don't. I'm assuming each server HAS it's own "knockback" because of the players that are on it, not the way around for the server enough for it to be a constant issue. Maybe the freezing of players, skipping across the map, lack of proper knockback, lack of registering hits are not Avicus's fault at this point.

Even then, we've tried to patch some stuff.
Avicus anticheat was retarded and we all know that.
Having no anticheat is better than before except mods don't ban on the spot anymore no matter how blatant so it's pretty stupid.
Get a good anticheat and spend sometime on it and people won't complain.

If we can be real with ourselves this server is poorly run and poorly developed and it's been like that since MCzone.

Sevoo February 25, 2016 at 2:02 AM UTC

Avicus anticheat was retarded and we all know that.
Having no anticheat is better than before except mods don't ban on the spot anymore no matter how blatant so it's pretty stupid.
Get a good anticheat and spend sometime on it and people won't complain.

If we can be real with ourselves this server is poorly run and poorly developed and it's been like that since MCzone.
Although I 100% agree, you have to take some things into consideration.

-Kylo (Funky) is in University (I believe, and even if he isn't he might have other things to deal with).

-It's probably easier said than done to get a good anti-cheat.

-MCZone had a lot of players. Then again, it doesn't now.

I agree though, Avicus has to get it's shit together.

BmB February 25, 2016 at 3:02 PM UTC

Although I 100% agree, you have to take some things into consideration.

-Kylo (Funky) is in University (I believe, and even if he isn't he might have other things to deal with).

-It's probably easier said than done to get a good anti-cheat.

-MCZone had a lot of players. Then again, it doesn't now.

I agree though, Avicus has to get it's shit together.
I'm not saying it isn't difficult however kylo isn't the only dev as well as this we seem to have a trend of getting very inactive / useless devs. 

(javi you're doing ok)

Ingigo February 25, 2016 at 9:02 PM UTC

Avicus is just fucked up, enough said.

Seuthy February 25, 2016 at 9:02 PM UTC

ditto to what ingi said

BmB February 25, 2016 at 9:02 PM UTC

Avicus is just fucked up, enough said.
more so with shit tons of hackers *cough*

Ingigo February 25, 2016 at 10:02 PM UTC

more so with shit tons of hackers *cough*
*cough* I wonder who that is *cough*

JustBudah February 25, 2016 at 10:02 PM UTC

*cough* I wonder who that is *cough*
you are alive

Jongh February 26, 2016 at 6:02 AM UTC

Avicus anticheat was retarded and we all know that.
Having no anticheat is better than before except mods don't ban on the spot anymore no matter how blatant so it's pretty stupid.
Get a good anticheat and spend sometime on it and people won't complain.

If we can be real with ourselves this server is poorly run and poorly developed and it's been like that since MCzone.
y u gotta be so savage...

Tazz February 26, 2016 at 7:02 AM UTC

y u gotta be so savage...
Because he doesn't care xd