KB Reducing...
by
Legoche
February 22, 2016 at 8:02 PM UTC
Why the heck do mods even ban for KB reducing. It's way too hard to tell if somebody is using a KB reducer on Avicus. In case you haven't noticed, Avicus has the most fucked up knockback I have ever seen on any server. Unless a player is screenshared and a KB reducer is found it shouldn't be bannable.
Well if there is a constant amount of times that said player has reduced KB and you have evidence of it then sure, ban him for it, but if it happens once or twice then don't.
Avicus KB is fucked up but it won't give you the same kb ratio every time.
well lol it is soooooooooooooooo obvious you know dude, there is a thing called vertical knockback that you tend to take when you are using a kb modifier
I do agree that Avicus knockback is messed up and it is hard to tell if someone is using a kb reducer. However, if the moderator has enough evidence from various occasions and not just 1 or 2 then the player should be banned and can later appeal.
Please don't go off topic. He wants to discuss this matter, so please don't post stuff like "Lego you're a hacker!"
And as far as I know if someone is suspected to use a knockback reducer he gets screen-shared or it's very obvious. As stated above you notice someone using one if they take an un-normal amount vertical knockback.
In this situation, I believe the moderator had enough evidence to ban, and decided not to screenshare. But in my opinion, when it comes to reduced knockback, I believe the player should be screenshared, no matter what, especially when the knockback here on Avicus is pretty messed up. But it all really depends on how the moderator judges the situation.
>Complains when we have an AntiCheat. >Complains when we don't have an AntiCheat. >Complains when we offer further squashing of cheating to compromise for a broken system.
If there's bugs, the devs are at the root of wanting to fix them. As far as I know, regardless of if it's broken or not, I think you need to provide reproducing and stuff for how a system might not work, such as knockback. All the developers personally have said that they have not altered knockback in any way, and not in any way for blocklag either. It comes down to diagnosing the problem, and the lag on Avicus isn't the AntiCheat if you guys complain it's still lagging even when it's not active. It doesn't come full circle, there's a broken link somewhere in the chain.
I know devs are supposed to bugfix, but guys help them to fix it instead of complaining. The only problems we ever have if we do are host problems, and it's not usually that severe, and when we do, it's when we close. We also have a lot of users who have personal ping issues and client lag, so by all means, if it's a personal thing, there's not much Avicus can do to fix it.
Some users get okay knockback, some don't. I'm assuming each server HAS it's own "knockback" because of the players that are on it, not the way around for the server enough for it to be a constant issue. Maybe the freezing of players, skipping across the map, lack of proper knockback, lack of registering hits are not Avicus's fault at this point.
In this situation, I believe the moderator had enough evidence to ban, and decided not to screenshare. But in my opinion, when it comes to reduced knockback, I believe the player should be screenshared, no matter what, especially when the knockback here on Avicus is pretty messed up. But it all really depends on how the moderator judges the situation.
To an extent, I agree that screen sharing would be the best way to punish a player for KB reducer. However, if the evidence is considered to have enough proof to punish then there is no reason not too. But, a ss with the evidence would be the best thing to do.
Reduces knockback is hard to find because of other situations that might occur at that moment.
Ping or lag, anticheat, and more affect the KB. Aswell as the KB is indeed messed up. Unless a screenshare happens, it shouldn't be bannable. Bans are happening for the right idea but the wrong victim/reason. You need evidence, not an observation
Reduces knockback is hard to find because of other situations that might occur at that moment.
Ping or lag, anticheat, and more affect the KB. Aswell as the KB is indeed messed up. Unless a screenshare happens, it shouldn't be bannable. Bans are happening for the right idea but the wrong victim/reason. You need evidence, not an observation
It is still detectable without a screenshare and you could just record it and use that for evidence. Of course it depends on how sufficient it is but it can be detected still.
Reduces knockback is hard to find because of other situations that might occur at that moment.
Ping or lag, anticheat, and more affect the KB. Aswell as the KB is indeed messed up. Unless a screenshare happens, it shouldn't be bannable. Bans are happening for the right idea but the wrong victim/reason. You need evidence, not an observation
How is spectating someone not evidence? I don't think that you have ever seen a mod on kohi doing his job when catching someone for kb-reducing.
Reduces knockback is hard to find because of other situations that might occur at that moment.
Ping or lag, anticheat, and more affect the KB. Aswell as the KB is indeed messed up. Unless a screenshare happens, it shouldn't be bannable. Bans are happening for the right idea but the wrong victim/reason. You need evidence, not an observation
Not hard to see the difference. I used to have really screwy latency to EU Kohi and take absolutely no kb backwards, but I would still take vertical kb. KB modifier = less vertical
Yes, it's possible to detect, however, results may not be 100% accurate all the times. Plus, I doubt any of the players in here (Judging by how bad they are compared to people in other servers and by how dumb they're at the same time) knew how to get a functional KB modifier. Vertical kb is still a thing with or without a client here due to this server's fucked up KB, let's be realistic.
you got banned for launching yourself over 9000 blocks in there air and it was like for like a minute which didnt affect the gameplay at all so it should be as severe as derp client #freeharry #freeharry #freeharry
>Complains when we have an AntiCheat. >Complains when we don't have an AntiCheat. >Complains when we offer further squashing of cheating to compromise for a broken system.
If there's bugs, the devs are at the root of wanting to fix them. As far as I know, regardless of if it's broken or not, I think you need to provide reproducing and stuff for how a system might not work, such as knockback. All the developers personally have said that they have not altered knockback in any way, and not in any way for blocklag either. It comes down to diagnosing the problem, and the lag on Avicus isn't the AntiCheat if you guys complain it's still lagging even when it's not active. It doesn't come full circle, there's a broken link somewhere in the chain.
I know devs are supposed to bugfix, but guys help them to fix it instead of complaining. The only problems we ever have if we do are host problems, and it's not usually that severe, and when we do, it's when we close. We also have a lot of users who have personal ping issues and client lag, so by all means, if it's a personal thing, there's not much Avicus can do to fix it.
Some users get okay knockback, some don't. I'm assuming each server HAS it's own "knockback" because of the players that are on it, not the way around for the server enough for it to be a constant issue. Maybe the freezing of players, skipping across the map, lack of proper knockback, lack of registering hits are not Avicus's fault at this point.
Even then, we've tried to patch some stuff.
Avicus anticheat was retarded and we all know that. Having no anticheat is better than before except mods don't ban on the spot anymore no matter how blatant so it's pretty stupid. Get a good anticheat and spend sometime on it and people won't complain.
If we can be real with ourselves this server is poorly run and poorly developed and it's been like that since MCzone.
Avicus anticheat was retarded and we all know that. Having no anticheat is better than before except mods don't ban on the spot anymore no matter how blatant so it's pretty stupid. Get a good anticheat and spend sometime on it and people won't complain.
If we can be real with ourselves this server is poorly run and poorly developed and it's been like that since MCzone.
Although I 100% agree, you have to take some things into consideration.
-Kylo (Funky) is in University (I believe, and even if he isn't he might have other things to deal with).
-It's probably easier said than done to get a good anti-cheat.
-MCZone had a lot of players. Then again, it doesn't now.
I agree though, Avicus has to get it's shit together.
Avicus anticheat was retarded and we all know that. Having no anticheat is better than before except mods don't ban on the spot anymore no matter how blatant so it's pretty stupid. Get a good anticheat and spend sometime on it and people won't complain.
If we can be real with ourselves this server is poorly run and poorly developed and it's been like that since MCzone.
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