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Mojang Copyright by Wayix June 2, 2014 at 9:06 PM UTC

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bcPFHYqnVEU
This says that if you say any items for money then you are breaking mojangs terms and conditions.  What do you think of this? Will this affect avicus?

I would post on OCN but website is down. Please keep everything civil and on topic.

steven5703 June 2, 2014 at 9:06 PM UTC

o_O

Shadowbladz June 2, 2014 at 9:06 PM UTC

I think Mojang is insanely dumb for their stance on this. While I disagree with selling items for cash. Many gaming servers sell ranks and I don't see a problem with it.

I see a big gray area with this though. 
Mojang say "you can't resell our game", but with, Avicus they sell commands that are commands for third party commands.
Imagine it like, a company selling a third party DLC for CoD servers to use. It isn't an official CoD product, even though it's used in conjunction with their product.

I imagine if this goes to court with some servers, this will be brought up. 

Mojang is slowly killing their own community honestly, they've already messed with the PvP community a lot, now they're messing with basically all the servers out there.

Rokillers June 2, 2014 at 9:06 PM UTC

i am kind of happy an sad

Wayix June 2, 2014 at 10:06 PM UTC

I think Mojang is insanely dumb for their stance on this. While I disagree with selling items for cash. Many gaming servers sell ranks and I don't see a problem with it.

I see a big gray area with this though. 
Mojang say "you can't resell our game", but with, Avicus they sell commands that are commands for third party commands.
Imagine it like, a company selling a third party DLC for CoD servers to use. It isn't an official CoD product, even though it's used in conjunction with their product.

I imagine if this goes to court with some servers, this will be brought up. 

Mojang is slowly killing their own community honestly, they've already messed with the PvP community a lot, now they're messing with basically all the servers out there.
I see this affecting a lot of the big servers because most of them sell pets which would cause them to be reselling the game.

Shadowbladz June 2, 2014 at 10:06 PM UTC

I see this affecting a lot of the big servers because most of them sell pets which would cause them to be reselling the game.
If Mojang does go through with this I suppose it might end up with mass refunds. Or if the servers take Mojang to court they might be given some lee way to the fact that the rule wasn't enforced/well known.

Wayix June 2, 2014 at 10:06 PM UTC

If Mojang does go through with this I suppose it might end up with mass refunds. Or if the servers take Mojang to court they might be given some lee way to the fact that the rule wasn't enforced/well known.
I personally don't think it will be taken to court but the rule is clearly stated in the terms of service.

Shadowbladz June 2, 2014 at 10:06 PM UTC

I personally don't think it will be taken to court but the rule is clearly stated in the terms of service.
There's a gray area in law (can't remember the name for it). If a rule isn't enforced it can be overlooked and such. So if this was going on openly, by many servers for months. In court Mojang could be overruled seeing as they never enforced their rule.

Wayix June 2, 2014 at 10:06 PM UTC

Okay. That is a bug :D

Numberz_ June 2, 2014 at 10:06 PM UTC

Wow.

winterice123 June 2, 2014 at 10:06 PM UTC

But would donations be considered the same as sales?

Wayix June 2, 2014 at 10:06 PM UTC

But would donations be considered the same as sales?
I wouldn't think so because they are not selling any part of the game.

Tekcrezec162 June 2, 2014 at 10:06 PM UTC

Donations aren't really sales,they are just donations that just keeps the server running,and in return,the donator gets extra perks as a thanks for donating and helping to keep the server up and running,it benefits the entire community for that matter,it's not really considered a sale in my perspective.

Phobiaxx June 2, 2014 at 11:06 PM UTC

Aye, the person who came up with 'donations' for servers, probably made them 'donations' because they already knew about mojang's rule.... its just donate... and if you do... you get a gift!

Eklip_Z June 2, 2014 at 11:06 PM UTC

They describe saying that they cannot sell something like diamonds on a server which was created by Mojang however most things servers sell are not minecraft items rather than custom commands created by the server owner.

Kacers June 2, 2014 at 11:06 PM UTC

Almost every server I've been on has rank sales, item sales, and all of that good stuff.  If Mojang enforces this they're going to go downhill because almost every server does it.  It seems like they get greedier as time flies. And I'm 100% sure Mojang has known that this has been happening. Why haven't they already stopped it? 

winterice123 June 2, 2014 at 11:06 PM UTC

I wouldn't think so because they are not selling any part of the game.
But like, would it apply to us then? Technically they're donating this money in exchange for unlocking certain things, which can kinda be considered selling?

LeCobalt June 3, 2014 at 12:06 AM UTC

Farewell Avicus

Mojang could shutdown all servers, yet it could be legally correct

iOcta June 3, 2014 at 1:06 AM UTC

Honestly, mojang needs to lay off a tad. They mess with too many things which are critical in server communities.

_Gill June 3, 2014 at 4:06 PM UTC

As the people said in the video, Mojang would most likely only target larger servers who are actually making a profit and are using this as a source of revenue (Mineplex, Hive, TheNexus, etc). At the moment, they would have no reason to come after us because of the fact that we are measly paying off how much the server cost. I understand where they are going with this. It makes sense that they don't want people making an additional profit off of their game.

KalinD June 3, 2014 at 4:06 PM UTC

O_________o

garsdef June 3, 2014 at 4:06 PM UTC

rip

Extnct June 3, 2014 at 6:06 PM UTC

originally this is an issue because imagine it yourself the commands avicus or other servers are selling are the property of mojang, Also these commands were by default available for the people who purchase Minecraft at first .. Sure bukkit commands were added that's considered a tool and also  note that bukkit to is free.. so there would be violation of the copyright issued by mojang.. but still I don't think it would raise such a high intensity problem.. Also someone said that making an Un official DLC's were permitted, belive me its not I have worked with COD project like alterrev and 4D1 and in the end activision shut us down .. therefore the decision renderd by the mojang network would be lawfull and would be quite precise and I am sure hoping they do not destroy this fine community,

Shadowbladz June 3, 2014 at 7:06 PM UTC

originally this is an issue because imagine it yourself the commands avicus or other servers are selling are the property of mojang, Also these commands were by default available for the people who purchase Minecraft at first .. Sure bukkit commands were added that's considered a tool and also  note that bukkit to is free.. so there would be violation of the copyright issued by mojang.. but still I don't think it would raise such a high intensity problem.. Also someone said that making an Un official DLC's were permitted, belive me its not I have worked with COD project like alterrev and 4D1 and in the end activision shut us down .. therefore the decision renderd by the mojang network would be lawfull and would be quite precise and I am sure hoping they do not destroy this fine community,
It's like an unofficial DLC because it's not originally apart of the game, therefore, not falling directly underneath the terms of service.
If Avicus were buying plugins made by other people and selling the commands it might be a problem, but since Avicus have coded their own stuff and it's theirs by right. They have the right to sell it.

Phobiaxx June 5, 2014 at 11:06 PM UTC

http://www.change.org/petitions/mojang-change-the-eula
sign a petition to stop this

Wayix June 12, 2014 at 5:06 PM UTC

https://mojang.com/2014/06/lets-talk-server-monetisation/
I think the main problem is your ingame shop where there is a donor only selection.

Numberz_ June 12, 2014 at 6:06 PM UTC

https://mojang.com/2014/06/lets-talk-server-monetisation/
I think the main problem is your ingame shop where there is a donor only selection.
But is that still wrong because if we donate we get Xp boost and kits and stuff in return.

Wayix June 12, 2014 at 6:06 PM UTC

But is that still wrong because if we donate we get Xp boost and kits and stuff in return.
Yes.