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Racism On Avicus by KojaCola June 30, 2016 at 3:06 AM UTC

Hello all-

Recently, I have been insulted by some using racist remarks. I have "Japan" in my name, causing the racist remarks. There have been "jokes" made about Hitler, atomic bombs blowing up Hiroshima, and other variants of World War 2 remarks. I believe there should be no reason why I should be unconftorable playing on Avicus just because of my name. I believe there is no substantial punishment for those who are racist, with the only immediate punishment being a kick. This will probably only anger the players and will provoke them to go against other Avicus players. There should be other punishments to deal with racist players. Again, there should be no reason any player should be insulted because of their name or heritage. Something should be done about this. I am not. NOT upset by these jokes, just a little shocked as to what this world has come to.

Thanks for reading my rant. Please respond with any ideas on how to deal with this issue. 

LET ME MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR: The racism is going on in game, not on teamspeak.

Kojapan17

SnowSX3 June 30, 2016 at 3:06 AM UTC

Where did this happen?

JJTheGuy June 30, 2016 at 3:06 AM UTC

Hey, people call me a cracker. Just gotta ignore it bud.

KojaCola June 30, 2016 at 3:06 AM UTC

Where did this happen?
Lots this month, but generally throughout the year

GrapeSmoothie June 30, 2016 at 3:06 AM UTC

Something has been done about this. If you are referring to yesterdays events, those users were both issued bans not kicks. Sorry about the way those users treated you, but when their behavior was reported they were handled accordingly.

InLoc June 30, 2016 at 3:06 AM UTC

:(

SnowSX3 June 30, 2016 at 3:06 AM UTC

Oh like you fucking care
lol triggered

SnowSX3 June 30, 2016 at 4:06 AM UTC

Lots this month, but generally throughout the year
Have you got recording software?
If this happens again, just record the incident(or screenshot it if it's in the in-game chat)  and send it to the staff.
They'll get banned.

KojaCola June 30, 2016 at 4:06 AM UTC

Something has been done about this. If you are referring to yesterdays events, those users were both issued bans not kicks. Sorry about the way those users treated you, but when their behavior was reported they were handled accordingly.
Yes, those two are included in the list that goes on too long....

GrapeSmoothie June 30, 2016 at 4:06 AM UTC

Yes, those two are included in the list that goes on too long....
Most that we can do is remove those types of people from our services by enforcing that rule. Yes we get those types of people but so do many other servers. I agree you shouldn't be treated that way because of your name but when those types of situations happen it's kinda unexpected because you never know when it could happen, but I can guarantee that player won't be walking around doing that on the server for long.

Synade June 30, 2016 at 4:06 AM UTC

mhm

Junr June 30, 2016 at 4:06 AM UTC

Hey, people call me a cracker. Just gotta ignore it bud.
The racism he deals with are way worse then getting called a racist name. I am there to see and I immediately give them a warn for that racism, since I can only do /kick and /warn.

dev_revs June 30, 2016 at 4:06 AM UTC

its a lego game, just my opinion, don't take it seriously, like people you don't even know who are probably children insult you.. don't let it get to you.

ImNotYourTiger June 30, 2016 at 4:06 AM UTC

All these people you meet online are probably kids who wear minecraft T-Shirts to school and bring one of those plastic minecraft swords with them :P

Don't take it too seriously, it's going to happen at times.

KojaCola June 30, 2016 at 4:06 AM UTC

its a lego game, just my opinion, don't take it seriously, like people you don't even know who are probably children insult you.. don't let it get to you.
It doesn't get to me..... I just find it hard to believe that some children have the nerve to make jokes like they did.

dev_revs June 30, 2016 at 5:06 AM UTC

It doesn't get to me..... I just find it hard to believe that some children have the nerve to make jokes like they did.
I'm glad it doesn't, our generation is messed up, rip sanity.

Xuph June 30, 2016 at 5:06 AM UTC

hence mute should be finally implemented

hasl June 30, 2016 at 5:06 AM UTC

If it's on TeamSpeak in the Nightclub then yes, racism is allowed.

JeTePardonne June 30, 2016 at 7:06 AM UTC

:( sorry that happened to u bud :( Just ignore :D

Crimson_Aught June 30, 2016 at 7:06 AM UTC

Just ignore and use /report username rule brocken.

And what about word "beaner"? It is racism, isn't it?

JeTePardonne June 30, 2016 at 7:06 AM UTC

Just ignore and use /report username rule brocken.

And what about word "beaner"? It is racism, isn't it?
I am pretty sure it is xD people call me beaner on this server all the time :(

Murphh June 30, 2016 at 12:06 PM UTC

I don't think racist comments should be ignored.  Some are saying that kids are young or only fooling around, but most comments are not funny, especially if you are the target.  The goal should be to make everyone feel included and accepted on this server.

At school, they teach kids to speak out to peers about stereotypes and bias, so why not have that be a goal for this server.  Sometimes when you ignore comments and say nothing, it feels as if you are approving them.

Just saying things like, "Hey, you don't need to use words like that", or "Stop please, that word is hurtful", could make a difference.  I constantly type in chat, "Be nice", on this server because there are a lot of upsetting things players say to each other and someone should acknowledge that something hurtful or insulting was said in chat.    
IMO, I think we should all actively counter all racist statements on this server, not only the mods, but the whole community.

TurkishDelite June 30, 2016 at 12:06 PM UTC

Just ignore and use /report username rule brocken.

And what about word "beaner"? It is racism, isn't it?
in my opinion beaner is a harmless word but depending on who you say it to. maybe the next spanish person you know will get offended that you called them a beaner :P

Sevoo June 30, 2016 at 1:06 PM UTC

Just ignore and use /report username rule brocken.

And what about word "beaner"? It is racism, isn't it?
IMO beaner isn't a racist word towards Spanish people but people get so easily offended nowadays you can't really be sure.

profbananaslug June 30, 2016 at 1:06 PM UTC

why would people call spanish people beaners, do they even have beans in spain?

vladthegreat100 June 30, 2016 at 2:06 PM UTC

Just ignore and use /report username rule brocken.

And what about word "beaner"? It is racism, isn't it?
They're the beaners that we love.
We are the Gringo's that they love :o

KojaCola June 30, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC

hence mute should be finally implemented
I very much agree

Spoookeh June 30, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC

We can't change what people type in chat or say in teamspeak, but only enforce the rules when they do.

Try to ignore these people, they're saying it over a block game and you shouldn't take it too seriously. If it makes them feel good then they're horrible people and won't go far in life at all; let that thought comfort you.

If you can take screenshots, do. Remember to report any users breaking our racism rules as well.

Iron June 30, 2016 at 3:06 PM UTC

As someone who deals with racism constantly, I find that most people do not even realize that they are being racist. Also, many people on Avicus do not know what certain words mean; hence, when they see other people use them they assume its fine. However, obviously its not. I find that the best way to deal with such is to report them, try and tell them what they are saying is wrong. Moreover, try to ignore the comments in the sense that you shouldn't let peoples comments hurt you. Slurs only perpetuate hate, and hate can really change how you view others.

Dokyle June 30, 2016 at 4:06 PM UTC

What about bean racist?

Notalgicular June 30, 2016 at 5:06 PM UTC

Its not any of the forum community that's being racist. Im sorry that you have to deal with a few peoples ignorant remarks but I don't see a reason to make this thread..

lordteddey June 30, 2016 at 6:06 PM UTC

If it's on TeamSpeak in the Nightclub then yes, racism is allowed.
who's retarded idea was that

hasl June 30, 2016 at 6:06 PM UTC

who's retarded idea was that
Well racism is not listed on actions forbidden in the Nightclub.

SnowSX3 June 30, 2016 at 8:06 PM UTC

who's retarded idea was that
Michael, Zac and the other morons that think it's funny.
It's pathetic really, but the staff won't do anything about it..

ImNotYourTiger June 30, 2016 at 8:06 PM UTC

Another thing is that you can ignore it. There are channels on teamspeak that forbid racial slurs and innapropriate language. If you don't want to hear it, move to another channel.

Zintenka June 30, 2016 at 9:06 PM UTC

Another thing is that you can ignore it. There are channels on teamspeak that forbid racial slurs and innapropriate language. If you don't want to hear it, move to another channel.
That would be easy if the other rooms were as populated as the Nightclub rooms.

The point of TS is to socialize, it would be redundant to join an empty room when the only other populated rooms are the Nightclubs and the Spanish speaking rooms.

DonaldMyTrump June 30, 2016 at 9:06 PM UTC

That would be easy if the other rooms were as populated as the Nightclub rooms.

The point of TS is to socialize, it would be redundant to join an empty room when the only other populated rooms are the Nightclubs and the Spanish speaking rooms.
https://gyazo.com/593a21780fd63e523befe865928983a6 Notice people in both Nightclub and Cursing Forbidden
After reading this thread, I decided to post how TS looks right now at a random time. TeamSpeak Devs are not here to enforce some social justice idea that you feel we need. We are here to provide the TeamSpeak that is in demand on TeamSpeak while allowing the community to grow. TeamSpeak, is the only service of avicus currently experiencing a rapid growth mostly due to the freedoms afforded on TS. When Nightclubs were easy to get into you guys complained saying that people could wander in there and be offended, we have solved this and given people a clear choice on whether or not they want to join that channel. The forums warriors who continue to get upset over the nightclub's mere existence have only themselves to blame. I have seen every single one of these people in Nightclub channels even participating in the types of discussions that they hate so passionately now (Zintenka got demoted for issuing death threats to me). Zintenka, Snow and anyone else who has a problem with TeamSpeak supporting people's ability to express themselves in the proper environment, I ask for you guys to show me that Nightclubs are not necessary, stay out of them yourselves and challenge the status quo, rather than following in it's path. If the TS Devs see that Nightclubs are now irrelevant we will then discuss removing it.

KojaCola June 30, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC

https://gyazo.com/593a21780fd63e523befe865928983a6 Notice people in both Nightclub and Cursing Forbidden
After reading this thread, I decided to post how TS looks right now at a random time. TeamSpeak Devs are not here to enforce some social justice idea that you feel we need. We are here to provide the TeamSpeak that is in demand on TeamSpeak while allowing the community to grow. TeamSpeak, is the only service of avicus currently experiencing a rapid growth mostly due to the freedoms afforded on TS. When Nightclubs were easy to get into you guys complained saying that people could wander in there and be offended, we have solved this and given people a clear choice on whether or not they want to join that channel. The forums warriors who continue to get upset over the nightclub's mere existence have only themselves to blame. I have seen every single one of these people in Nightclub channels even participating in the types of discussions that they hate so passionately now (Zintenka got demoted for issuing death threats to me). Zintenka, Snow and anyone else who has a problem with TeamSpeak supporting people's ability to express themselves in the proper environment, I ask for you guys to show me that Nightclubs are not necessary, stay out of them yourselves and challenge the status quo, rather than following in it's path. If the TS Devs see that Nightclubs are now irrelevant we will then discuss removing it.
Please read my post. I state that the problem is in game, not in ts.

KojaCola June 30, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC

I am refering to in game, not in ts

DonaldMyTrump June 30, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC

Please read my post. I state that the problem is in game, not in ts.
I know, and I agree the behavior is intolerable in game, but Zintenka (which is who my post was in reply to) was talking about TS

KojaCola June 30, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC

I know, and I agree the behavior is intolerable in game, but Zintenka (which is who my post was in reply to) was talking about TS
ok. just making sure you understood the whole story

Zintenka June 30, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC

https://gyazo.com/593a21780fd63e523befe865928983a6 Notice people in both Nightclub and Cursing Forbidden
After reading this thread, I decided to post how TS looks right now at a random time. TeamSpeak Devs are not here to enforce some social justice idea that you feel we need. We are here to provide the TeamSpeak that is in demand on TeamSpeak while allowing the community to grow. TeamSpeak, is the only service of avicus currently experiencing a rapid growth mostly due to the freedoms afforded on TS. When Nightclubs were easy to get into you guys complained saying that people could wander in there and be offended, we have solved this and given people a clear choice on whether or not they want to join that channel. The forums warriors who continue to get upset over the nightclub's mere existence have only themselves to blame. I have seen every single one of these people in Nightclub channels even participating in the types of discussions that they hate so passionately now (Zintenka got demoted for issuing death threats to me). Zintenka, Snow and anyone else who has a problem with TeamSpeak supporting people's ability to express themselves in the proper environment, I ask for you guys to show me that Nightclubs are not necessary, stay out of them yourselves and challenge the status quo, rather than following in it's path. If the TS Devs see that Nightclubs are now irrelevant we will then discuss removing it.
Wow.

#1: That pic is not credible evidence because a room's population is sporadic. However, the Nightclub has been the most popular thus far.

#2: The people in the Cursing Forbidden do not even have their mics activated. If It were up to me I'd join the Nightclub because most of my friends are there.

#3: You've resorted to ad hominem when I have not resorted to that. I wasn't demoted for issuing death threats. In fact, I didn't even MAKE death threats to you. I was demoted for RESPONDING to the trollish attitudes of you and your friends.

Now, I'm gonna reveal this to everyone since you want to bring up something that was MONTHS ago. 10 to be specific.

--- In August 2015 --

I was in the Nightclub when I heard that Zac speaking to other players that he was harassing RefusetoSink through skype even though she left the server. I was disgusted by this and voiced my displeasure of this activity. You suddenly asked where I live and my ethnicity.

I told you - yes, pretty stupid I know.

You resorted to calling me the N-word repeatedly and making stereotypes of "Aren't black people who live in New York supposed to be tough and not give a shit for things like this?" I got angry and then warned you to stop or else. You said that you're a pretty tall guy and that you're a "Monster".

I then responded to you saying that "I've taken down bigger guys than you. I'm tall enough to cut you down". The bolded quote is what Zac and his friends spam me in TS on pokes. It only stopped like two months ago. 
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Want ad hominem? I'll give you ad hominem.

Now I'm curious on how a dude who has been known for making troll comments, blatant racism and for harassment is a TS developer. I'm confused on why you haven't been banned yet.

If anyone else tried any of the things you did they would gone like - *Snaps fingers*. Why are you still here and why are you a staff member?

Zintenka June 30, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC

I know, and I agree the behavior is intolerable in game, but Zintenka (which is who my post was in reply to) was talking about TS
I was responding to a post that TwentyOneTiggers said. 

You jumped to conclusions and you just started an unnecessary line of flames.

DonaldMyTrump June 30, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC

Wow.

#1: That pic is not credible evidence because a room's population is sporadic. However, the Nightclub has been the most popular thus far.

#2: The people in the Cursing Forbidden do not even have their mics activated. If It were up to me I'd join the Nightclub because most of my friends are there.

#3: You've resorted to ad hominem when I have not resorted to that. I wasn't demoted for issuing death threats. In fact, I didn't even MAKE death threats to you. I was demoted for RESPONDING to the trollish attitudes of you and your friends.

Now, I'm gonna reveal this to everyone since you want to bring up something that was MONTHS ago. 10 to be specific.

--- In August 2015 --

I was in the Nightclub when I heard that Zac speaking to other players that he was harassing RefusetoSink through skype even though she left the server. I was disgusted by this and voiced my displeasure of this activity. You suddenly asked where I live and my ethnicity.

I told you - yes, pretty stupid I know.

You resorted to calling me the N-word repeatedly and making stereotypes of "Aren't black people who live in New York supposed to be tough and not give a shit for things like this?" I got angry and then warned you to stop or else. You said that you're a pretty tall guy and that you're a "Monster".

I then responded to you saying that "I've taken down bigger guys than you. I'm tall enough to cut you down". The bolded quote is what Zac and his friends spam me in TS on pokes. It only stopped like two months ago. 
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Want ad hominem? I'll give you ad hominem.

Now I'm curious on how a dude who has been known for making troll comments, blatant racism and for harassment is a TS developer. I'm confused on why you haven't been banned yet.

If anyone else tried any of the things you did they would gone like - *Snaps fingers*. Why are you still here and why are you a staff member?
Off topic attack specifically targeted at me, I don't break the rules and therefore I don't participate in flame wars or off topic discussions. My post was relevant as the post was shifting focus from in-game to TS and was not personally directed as an attack but rather a defense to the TeamSpeak you criticize. hmu in pms, rather than trying to public flame since you're staff again.

Zintenka June 30, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC

Off topic attack specifically targeted at me, I don't break the rules and therefore I don't participate in flame wars or off topic discussions. My post was relevant as the post was shifting focus from in-game to TS and was not personally directed as an attack but rather a defense to the TeamSpeak you criticize. hmu in pms, rather than trying to public flame since you're staff again.
Even though I was speaking in response to TwentyOneTiggers who was responding to SnowSX3 about TS, you specifically targeted me.

You brought up the false claim that I made death threats against you. This part did not need to be mentioned or heard. You could've made your point without this but you brought this up anyway. This was a personal attack.

So if anything you started the topic shift. I don't want to let this topic get locked because of our stupidity so why don't we forget this ever happened since Ko was speaking in reference to IN GAME rather than on TS?

Also I didn't begin with the TS thingy. It was actually Spookeh who assumed that Ko was speaking in reference to TS.

DonaldMyTrump June 30, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC

Even though I was speaking in response to TwentyOneTiggers who was responding to SnowSX3 about TS, you specifically targeted me.

You brought up the false claim that I made death threats against you. This part did not need to be mentioned or heard. You could've made your point without this but you brought this up anyway. This was a personal attack.

So if anything you started the topic shift. I don't want to let this topic get locked because of our stupidity so why don't we forget this ever happened since Ko was speaking in reference to IN GAME rather than on TS?

Also I didn't begin with the TS thingy. It was actually Spookeh who assumed that Ko was speaking in reference to TS.
Again, hmu in pms, not even reading it here. You can even come on TS and talk.

ImNotYourTiger June 30, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC

That would be easy if the other rooms were as populated as the Nightclub rooms.

The point of TS is to socialize, it would be redundant to join an empty room when the only other populated rooms are the Nightclubs and the Spanish speaking rooms.
It doesn't matter. If you can't take it, then leave. Otherwise, don't complain. They can't someone to not be racist when it's allowed in a room :P

Also, just realized that the problem is in game, not on teamspeak lol apologies

Seuthy June 30, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC

All these people you meet online are probably kids who wear minecraft T-Shirts to school and bring one of those plastic minecraft swords with them :P

Don't take it too seriously, it's going to happen at times.

DonaldMyTrump June 30, 2016 at 10:06 PM UTC

It doesn't matter. If you can't take it, then leave. Otherwise, don't complain. They can't someone to not be racist when it's allowed in a room :P

Also, just realized that the problem is in game, not on teamspeak lol apologies
topic is racism on avi and people are choosing to discuss TS, s'all good

Zintenka June 30, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC

It doesn't matter. If you can't take it, then leave. Otherwise, don't complain. They can't someone to not be racist when it's allowed in a room :P

Also, just realized that the problem is in game, not on teamspeak lol apologies
It says something about the server when you need Racism just to be funny.

Also, it is comments like these that really piss me off.

It's like saying, "It doesn't matter. If you can't take Pedophilia or terrorism comments or vids, then leave. Otherwise, don't complain. They can't someone to not be pedophiliac or terrorist when it's allowed in a room :P"

Just because it's allowed doesn't make it any less of a vice. It makes it seem like the server condones these things and makes us look unprofessional and credible showed youtubers decide to come on.

ImNotYourTiger June 30, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC

It says something about the server when you need Racism just to be funny.

Also, it is comments like these that really piss me off.

It's like saying, "It doesn't matter. If you can't take Pedophilia or terrorism comments or vids, then leave. Otherwise, don't complain. They can't someone to not be pedophiliac or terrorist when it's allowed in a room :P"

Just because it's allowed doesn't make it any less of a vice. It makes it seem like the server condones these things and makes us look unprofessional and credible showed youtubers decide to come on.
I disagree a bit

It doesn't make us look unproffesional. It's just that we have a variety of choices to choose from. If you don't like racism comments, go to a channel that forbids racism. We have the ability to make a choice for a reason. If a bunch of people are making negatives comments you don't like, leave. There's nothing you can do.

Juanooo June 30, 2016 at 11:06 PM UTC

when weaboos get triggered

Zintenka July 1, 2016 at 12:07 AM UTC

I disagree a bit

It doesn't make us look unproffesional. It's just that we have a variety of choices to choose from. If you don't like racism comments, go to a channel that forbids racism. We have the ability to make a choice for a reason. If a bunch of people are making negatives comments you don't like, leave. There's nothing you can do.
Like I said, most of my friends are in the Nightclub. I came on to TS to socialize and going to an empty room or a room where people don't have microphones or I don't socialize with is heavily redundant.


And just so you know, yes - it does. Just look at countless businesses that had their customer service and credibility destroyed just because of this.

Right, because lots of choices in general are a good thing. How about I have the choice to joke your 90% chance of dying from cancer. Or your loved ones who died in a shooting or a terrorist attack?

I cannot for the life of me get why racism is allowed if cancer jokes or terrorist jokes aren't? They're all horrendous and unnecessary. If you do not like cancer jokes and terrorist jokes then you are a hypocrite. Simple as that.

Either we have all of them and be a cesspool server where anyone can threaten to rape and kill your family based on race OR we have a server where crude jokes ARE allowed but ones that aren't so controversial?

A server where you aren't likely to offend a vast majority of people and then allow big youtubers to come and NOT SAY bad things about our policies.

I have to ask this, do you guys even think? This isn't an insult but did you guys even think that when a youtuber comes and sees all these things they'd like it? If you thought so then you need to redo public school education.

Seriously. Come. On.

PokerFace July 1, 2016 at 1:07 AM UTC

Let's get back off-topic guys.

DaFrozenBlaze July 1, 2016 at 1:07 AM UTC

Let's get back off-topic guys.
Pretty much already off topic

DaFrozenBlaze July 1, 2016 at 1:07 AM UTC

when weaboos get triggered
Where did weaboos come from???????

SnowSX3 July 1, 2016 at 1:07 AM UTC

I just think it's weird how specifically racism is allowed in the nightclub.
Bullying and mic spam will get you kicked out of the nightclub but racism is ok...

It's a very specific thing to allow.

I also find it strange how Zac says he's interested in growing the TS community but in my opinion I don't see how allowing a very niche thing such as racism will grow the small TS community.

Also I'm not a forum warrior you fucks, I'm stating my opinion. 
By your logic, you're all a bunch of forum warriors so fuck off xD

SnowSX3 July 1, 2016 at 4:07 AM UTC

Lads, can we plays stay on topic. This thread was evidently made about Racism, no need to discuss TS here. Voice your concerns with the TS Devs (Note: Michael is busy atm). Anywho this post is discussing racism in Kojapans case.
What?
We're still talking about Racism.

The Nightclub and it's tolerance on racism is still on topic discussion.

JUBBINATOR July 1, 2016 at 4:07 AM UTC

What?
We're still talking about Racism.

The Nightclub and it's tolerance on racism is still on topic discussion.
racism or the use of the word nigga? Becos I'd somewhat understand the latter seeing as it has been used by poets and rappers as a self-referential term, taking a pejorative and making it their own. Kinda like what happened with the word capitalist, only tied to a rather horrid and dark history. 

However, blatant racism is not okay. Attacking someone for being who they are is not okay. The real issue is that people are gonna be mean no matter what, but they'll take to race and the like the fastest because it's what hits closest to home and because things like this you cannot change. IMO, this thread should've been simple. All that should be said is "Bullying of any and all forms will not be tolerated. Players will be severely punished for doing so", because that's pretty much the solution, no? 

Also, only the first paragraph is a reply to you. The rest is more general.

JUBBINATOR July 1, 2016 at 4:07 AM UTC

In the OP it is stated that messages were received in-game. However, regardless of that. I think that a TS Dev talking to you privately could describe the nightclub better. Whereas, here we can focus on the main topic. (Racism in-game)
Bro, racism no matter wot is wrong. The TS is an extension of the game due to its nature of being tied to the server. If you believe discussions on racism should be limited to only one part of the server, how can you hope to solve the problem as a whole? Your whole "stick to the main topic" don't make sense, because quite naturally discussion of racism in one form will extend to a discussion of racism of all forms. 
How long have you been a member of staff? Because quite frankly, it seems you still do not know how to handle proper discussions. It seems you're just uncomfortable talking about the TS stuff and you just wanna shut it down but you're too ashamed to admit it.

Iron July 1, 2016 at 4:07 AM UTC

Bro, racism no matter wot is wrong. The TS is an extension of the game due to its nature of being tied to the server. If you believe discussions on racism should be limited to only one part of the server, how can you hope to solve the problem as a whole? Your whole "stick to the main topic" don't make sense, because quite naturally discussion of racism in one form will extend to a discussion of racism of all forms. 
How long have you been a member of staff? Because quite frankly, it seems you still do not know how to handle proper discussions. It seems you're just uncomfortable talking about the TS stuff and you just wanna shut it down but you're too ashamed to admit it.
To be frank, I hate racism. I hate the idea that people could use words to deface others and cause incredible harm. However, in this case I was wrong to make that comment. I will remove it promptly; however, I am fine with discussing Teamspeak. I just would rather explain privately so it becomes a lot easier to have an open conversation.

potatoarmor July 1, 2016 at 4:07 AM UTC

I agree with Xuph there should be a mute button to deal with this kind of behavior when mods are not present etc. also why is racism allowed in ts I dont understand the logic if the server is for avicus. Im not too sure im a noob at ts but I feel that should get changed and to enforce racism on there

yungmuck July 1, 2016 at 4:07 AM UTC

I completely I agree, racism shouldn't be aloud in the community as we know it. People come on the server to enjoy them selfs have fun and play with friends not have to be critized by they're race. It's un needed behavior by the people who do it and in my opinion disgusting. I don't want to log on and see stuff like that and have it ruin my day or others days it's not fair to me, it's not fair to them, it's not fair to anyone. Thank you.

ImNotYourTiger July 1, 2016 at 5:07 AM UTC

Like I said, most of my friends are in the Nightclub. I came on to TS to socialize and going to an empty room or a room where people don't have microphones or I don't socialize with is heavily redundant.


And just so you know, yes - it does. Just look at countless businesses that had their customer service and credibility destroyed just because of this.

Right, because lots of choices in general are a good thing. How about I have the choice to joke your 90% chance of dying from cancer. Or your loved ones who died in a shooting or a terrorist attack?

I cannot for the life of me get why racism is allowed if cancer jokes or terrorist jokes aren't? They're all horrendous and unnecessary. If you do not like cancer jokes and terrorist jokes then you are a hypocrite. Simple as that.

Either we have all of them and be a cesspool server where anyone can threaten to rape and kill your family based on race OR we have a server where crude jokes ARE allowed but ones that aren't so controversial?

A server where you aren't likely to offend a vast majority of people and then allow big youtubers to come and NOT SAY bad things about our policies.

I have to ask this, do you guys even think? This isn't an insult but did you guys even think that when a youtuber comes and sees all these things they'd like it? If you thought so then you need to redo public school education.

Seriously. Come. On.
No no no, I never said I agree with cancer statements and disrespectful comments like this. What I hate the most is jokes like these, someone calling another individual autistic, telling him to get cancer, etc. Yet, it still happens. Talking about racist jokes, I think that the nightclub has a rule about forbidding heavy bullying directed towards someone. So first of all, if someone is being disrespectful to you after you've asked them to stop, report them. Again, you want to talk with people but they're being racist in a racism allowed channel. What can you do? You don't control them.

Again, I've never seen racism used in a manner to offend someone. I've seen it simply used to joke around with people. What I think should be noticed more are the stupid jokes that people call funny by calling people autistic and shit. Honestly, it's not funny

SnowSX3 July 1, 2016 at 5:07 AM UTC

racism or the use of the word nigga? Becos I'd somewhat understand the latter seeing as it has been used by poets and rappers as a self-referential term, taking a pejorative and making it their own. Kinda like what happened with the word capitalist, only tied to a rather horrid and dark history. 

However, blatant racism is not okay. Attacking someone for being who they are is not okay. The real issue is that people are gonna be mean no matter what, but they'll take to race and the like the fastest because it's what hits closest to home and because things like this you cannot change. IMO, this thread should've been simple. All that should be said is "Bullying of any and all forms will not be tolerated. Players will be severely punished for doing so", because that's pretty much the solution, no? 

Also, only the first paragraph is a reply to you. The rest is more general.
racism or the use of the word nigga?

I think we can both agree that the use of racism to make someone feel uncomfortable in any way should never be tolerated.

I understand where you're coming from with the use of the word nigga, but the people that casually use that word on this server hardly ever use it to reference poets or rappers.
They will almost always use it in a derogatory sense or in an attempt at humour - which some people obviously fine offensive. 

Remember, the Avicus Teamspeak community is largely made up of rebellious teenagers who enjoy doing wrong things and find amusement in immature and offensive content. 

SnowSX3 July 1, 2016 at 5:07 AM UTC

To be frank, I hate racism. I hate the idea that people could use words to deface others and cause incredible harm. However, in this case I was wrong to make that comment. I will remove it promptly; however, I am fine with discussing Teamspeak. I just would rather explain privately so it becomes a lot easier to have an open conversation.
The best way to make something into an open conversation is to have an open conversation.
Sure, private messaging will solve a few problems in the immediate future, but it won't shed light to the situation as well as create a public thread will.

MerlinMaster July 1, 2016 at 5:07 AM UTC

The best way to make something into an open conversation is to have an open conversation.
Sure, private messaging will solve a few problems in the immediate future, but it won't shed light to the situation as well as create a public thread will.
Like the staff demotions?

SnowSX3 July 1, 2016 at 5:07 AM UTC

Like the staff demotions?
Why would we need an open conversation around staff demotions?

Unless the former staff member in question is fine with discussing it, demotions are none of the community's business.

MerlinMaster July 1, 2016 at 5:07 AM UTC

Why would we need an open conversation around staff demotions?

Unless the former staff member in question is fine with discussing it, demotions are none of the community's business.
To bring light on the demotions.

Why would a former staff member be in question in the first place?

lactify July 1, 2016 at 10:07 PM UTC

I myself have dealt with racism before in-game, surprisingly not on TeamSpeak though.

Its sick to think that people can use your skin colour as an insult. There has been one case of racism for me which I couldn't even report sadly. However, since the only way is to report, its best to just stick to that but I really dislike racism and hopefully something can be done to reduce racist comments. (Muting, etc)

JDKL July 1, 2016 at 10:07 PM UTC

When it comes to racism in game, I am strict on this. Using the term 'nigga' or any other types of racial slurs against other people directly, should be an immediate punishment on the player who used the racist language, whether they were intentionally being offensive or not. Saying something similar to 'I am a nigga' should be fine as your stating a fact and not trying to offend someone. However, saying it excessively wouldn't be allowed as anyone would think you're intentionally trying to be racist. 

The current teamspeak rules for racism is fine and seems to be preventing direct racist comments in the cursing forbidden and cursing allowed channels. If you join the nightclub channel, you join at your own risk as you would've typed in the password which means you agree to the rules.

Jahaj July 3, 2016 at 1:07 AM UTC

If someone is being racist in game, just report them using /report assuming there's a mod on, which there is most of the time. If not, take a screenshot and report it here on the forums, or message a Mod on Skype or Slack and you will get a response really fast. (The punishment is a 14 day tempban.)

KojaCola July 3, 2016 at 4:07 AM UTC

If someone is being racist in game, just report them using /report assuming there's a mod on, which there is most of the time. If not, take a screenshot and report it here on the forums, or message a Mod on Skype or Slack and you will get a response really fast. (The punishment is a 14 day tempban.)
If the punishment is a 14 day tempban... Somtimes there have been cases where someone has been really racist and a mod just warns them a couple times... And they get away free. My point in this forum is to say that I shouldnt have to message a mod on skype because there should be no racism in the first place. Mods should make the effort to immediatly temp ban racist users when they see them. Obviously racist users will have only a bad impact on the Avicus community so they should be punished immediatly.

Jahaj July 3, 2016 at 4:07 PM UTC

If the punishment is a 14 day tempban... Somtimes there have been cases where someone has been really racist and a mod just warns them a couple times... And they get away free. My point in this forum is to say that I shouldnt have to message a mod on skype because there should be no racism in the first place. Mods should make the effort to immediatly temp ban racist users when they see them. Obviously racist users will have only a bad impact on the Avicus community so they should be punished immediatly.
I will go ahead and remind all of the mods about this, as all cases of racism should be given the same punishment, if you do see someone getting a warn instead of a tempban then just message a mod, as it might have been less serious or a specific situation where a tempban wasn't necessary.