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Question regarding Nebula Defenses by RCMP_Mountie July 21, 2014 at 6:07 AM UTC

Now, say you're making a awesome sweg defense around the monument in Nebula with a base, and glass surrounding the monument. But then someone on your team, Player 2, comes along and breaks the glass to place wood around it. 

Now yes, you can report him, and if he gets kicked, then good riddance to him.

But say he wants to make a defense of his own on top of yours that you already made, only for Player 2 to report you since you were breaking his defense that he was attempting to make. And you get kicked for "Team Grief of Defenses."

Honestly, this is a grey area in the rules. You already made a defense, then someone comes along and tries to modify it to their liking. Then when a staff member comes to respond to the report, he doesn't know who to punish, or punishing you mistakenly, the one who made a defense already...

Sorry if this is getting long, and you might not understand, please bear with me. Now opinions and help? Thanks!

RefuseToSink July 21, 2014 at 6:07 AM UTC

This has happened to me before, except instead the guy proceeded to cuss at me and accuse me of team griefing in chat and told me to "Drink bleach" and broke the entire defense, then I'm assuming he got kicked :P

RCMP_Mountie July 21, 2014 at 6:07 AM UTC

This has happened to me before, except instead the guy proceeded to cuss at me and accuse me of team griefing in chat and told me to "Drink bleach" and broke the entire defense, then I'm assuming he got kicked :P
Maybe implement a rule saying no accusing of griefing in chat? xP

cinammoncroc000 July 21, 2014 at 6:07 AM UTC

This is why I don't like making hardcore sweg defenses in Nebula... but I do understand. I hate it when this happens...

S3M3L July 21, 2014 at 6:07 AM UTC

You should never cover the monument, instead you remove all blocks around it. Place fences around it if it's a game where nobody gets an axe and wooden slabs below it with a gap so you can't reach the monument when standing under it. When you are doing this, you get a full view of the monument and surroundings and you won't have the issue where one tries to "protect" the monument by placing blocks around it and someone else tries the same but first removes the first persons blocks.

Lil_Tunechi July 21, 2014 at 6:07 AM UTC

Just recently I had this happen to me.

cinammoncroc000 July 21, 2014 at 6:07 AM UTC

You should never cover the monument, instead you remove all blocks around it. Place fences around it if it's a game where nobody gets an axe and wooden slabs below it with a gap so you can't reach the monument when standing under it. When you are doing this, you get a full view of the monument and surroundings and you won't have the issue where one tries to "protect" the monument by placing blocks around it and someone else tries the same but first removes the first persons blocks.
The idea is flawless... until an unsuspecting teammate comes and ruins everything

RCMP_Mountie July 21, 2014 at 6:07 AM UTC

@S3M3L

The only thing is, what if the person has an axe :/

@almoman26

I was in that game with you (I think), I remember making a hardcore sweg defense earlier today...

S3M3L July 21, 2014 at 6:07 AM UTC

The idea is flawless... until an unsuspecting teammate comes and ruins everything
Yes you are right, I would, however want Avicus to be much more strict when it comes to rule violations. As far as my personal opinion, I count it as a team griefing when a teammate is griefing in any way that makes it difficult for your team to win. It also applies when you are crafting armour and a teammate destroys the crafting bench.

S3M3L July 21, 2014 at 6:07 AM UTC

@S3M3L

The only thing is, what if the person has an axe :/

@almoman26

I was in that game with you (I think), I remember making a hardcore sweg defense earlier today...
In the case where you spawn with a axe, you cover your monument with glass panes. As I said before, you have the full view of the monument and there's no tool to break glass faster.

RCMP_Mountie July 21, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC

In the case where you spawn with a axe, you cover your monument with glass panes. As I said before, you have the full view of the monument and there's no tool to break glass faster.
Though griefers are relentless, placing blocks faster than you can break them. All we can do is /report, wait for a Staff Member and clean up the mess :/

The_Detonator_ July 21, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC

Put lots of water. Slows down attackers.

RCMP_Mountie July 21, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC

Put lots of water. Slows down attackers.
Genius! I need to try that next time I go hardcore sweg defense building... If theres no griefers around, thanks :D

S3M3L July 21, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC

Put lots of water. Slows down attackers.
It also slows down yourself and your teammates, that's why water is a big no no.

RCMP_Mountie July 21, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC

It also slows down yourself and your teammates, that's why water is a big no no.
Maybe surround the water with glass panes?

Then there comes the griefer who breaks the glass...

The_Detonator_ July 21, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC

It also slows down yourself and your teammates, that's why water is a big no no.
Why would you walk away from the monument when defending?

S3M3L July 21, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC

Maybe surround the water with glass panes?

Then there comes the griefer who breaks the glass...
It would actually be smart if you could contain the water inside, I'm thinking of something like this.

Glass Pane - Water - Glass Pane - Monument - Glass Pane- Water - Glass Pane.

When you are doing this, your monument has triple protection, the only issue is that you don't have a clear view of it. Another issue with the water is, all those who bridge above will jump and water prevents you from taking fall damage.

S3M3L July 21, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC

Why would you walk away from the monument when defending?
If you surround your monument with water, where do you stand and defend? You need to stand somewhere where you're not pushed in all four directions by the water.

RCMP_Mountie July 21, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC

It would actually be smart if you could contain the water inside, I'm thinking of something like this.

Glass Pane - Water - Glass Pane - Monument - Glass Pane- Water - Glass Pane.

When you are doing this, your monument has triple protection, the only issue is that you don't have a clear view of it. Another issue with the water is, all those who bridge above will jump and water prevents you from taking fall damage.
Making a big base around the monument with a roof and walls, then placing the water and glass panes indoors?

RCMP_Mountie July 21, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC

Now I need to have to ask Staff Members to elaborate on the ruling, and how they would catch who the original builder of the defense is and who the actual griefer is? Please? Thanks :)

S3M3L July 21, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC

Making a big base around the monument with a roof and walls, then placing the water and glass panes indoors?
Imagine the monument like this. X is the monument, | is glass panes. If you do this on all four sides plus above and below it's triple protected.

                        |
                   Water
                        |
| Water | [ X ] | Water |
                        |
                   Water
                        |

The_Detonator_ July 21, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC

If you surround your monument with water, where do you stand and defend? You need to stand somewhere where you're not pushed in all four directions by the water.
I'm talking about a rendezvous defense which is mainly what I practice on.

RCMP_Mountie July 21, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC

I'm talking about a rendezvous defense which is mainly what I practice on.
The map I was referring to when I created this post, and the map where I make my hardcore sweg defenses as well. Rendezvous.

Mango_ July 21, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC

I can see what you're saying, and you have a good point. At times it can be quite hard to distinguish whether a player is intending to 'improve' the defense or simply cause grief. Unfortunately there's not a whole lot that can be done when issues like these occur.

I still recommend you report the player if you believe they are breaking a rule (in terms of intentionally negatively impacting your team), and leave it to the staff to determine whether the player is breaking that rule or not.

Thank you for bringing it up though, I realize it can be very frustrating at times.

RCMP_Mountie July 21, 2014 at 7:07 AM UTC

I can see what you're saying, and you have a good point. At times it can be quite hard to distinguish whether a player is intending to 'improve' the defense or simply cause grief. Unfortunately there's not a whole lot that can be done when issues like these occur.

I still recommend you report the player if you believe they are breaking a rule (in terms of intentionally negatively impacting your team), and leave it to the staff to determine whether the player is breaking that rule or not.

Thank you for bringing it up though, I realize it can be very frustrating at times.
Thank you for elaborating in regards to this issue.