The state of TS and old forum users. by Iron October 12, 2015 at 12:10 PM UTC

All the Teamspeak fallouts were created and sourced from the 18+ chats. We were fed up with all the issues we had to deal with so we simply removed them. I'm sorry, but I know you guys know that there have been just as many issues compared to "positives" with 18+ chats.

Whether or not you decide to go to another TS server or program in general is not in our control, and quite frankly you can go ahead and do that if you don't like 18+ chats removed. 

Additionally, I personally have been recieving many complaints on 18+ chats and how players "disconnect" themselves from the TS community because it was so toxic.

Alas, now there is little to no tolerance for anything. Whether an issue or not, the 18+ chat was the one place where you could be somewhat more free, with less restrictions. It was limited first, and then removed. The solution is not removing things.. Tell me this, do you use Teamspeak enough to say that you legitimately have a proper viewpoint that isn't based mostly of facts (as opposed to actually understanding the dynamics of Teamspeak)?

Restricted or not, it just was causing everyone issues. A lot of disputes were - like I said before - sourced in the 18+ chats. Its not a matter of "there's no tolerance for anything now" because like you said, we were fine with it since it was created X years ago until there were months on end of arguments and issues regarding the channel.

I do, infact connect to Teamspeak... I am online Teamspeak most of the time when I am actually playing Avicus.

Except that isn't often is it? xD Anywho, saying "everyone" wasn't very correct was it. Also may I say, the only issue that has really ever been produced is Zac being rude with Michael. So please what are the many disputes? You are active on Slack yes, but you are not active on TS bud.

 I will say, I cant deny that Zac and Michael have been toxic lately but one of them was taken care of, and the other one is hardly that rude anymore. (THAT) I do agree that 'a' dispute has occurred, but maybe if it was handled better the result would not have been as bad as it is right now. There really is no reason for the 18+ chat to be removed. Honestly, if you want to make 50% of Teamspeak go, your doing pretty good at it. 

Again, there has been a lengthy dispute, alas that is not 'many' and definitely not enough for the removal of a chat. If you are going to remove the 18+ chats, you might as well remove the suites now. I just find it saddening that TS is being changed by 7 or 8 people who don't even use it. (give or take 1)

Quite often, actually. 

Not to sound rude but if you actually didn't go afk most of the time you would see my name on ts... 
To add on, like I said before the new Teamspeak was created for those who didn't believe in the way the Official Avicus Teamspeak was managed, right? So go on there if you don't like how we handled "things".

Yo, I hate how everything is handled right now, but you realise I have racked up probably around 3-5 months of Teamspeak use. I go AFK nowadays because no one uses Teamspeak(Everyone has been pushed away or is just sick of Avicus) and I dont turn my computer off, hence why I am on for pretty much the whole day.

I refuse to use a knock-off teamspeak because it is not Avicus. I play on AVICUS for its Teamspeak. Some random TS is not something I will ever enjoy. The overall experience of the Avicus TS is what keeps me on it, and many others. I am simply trying to state that the recent changes have felt a lot more like corraling the last few people who actually keep the Teamspeak being "TS.''

EDIT: Please respond to my questions in the other posts. Other "disputes" etc...

I understand and respect your opinion, but I am seeing no objective with your posts. To me, and others, it just seems you are letting everyone know that 18+ chats have been removed and there are some users out of the community who don't like Avicus Teamspeak (and the server in general for that matter).

If you have a solution, state it concisely and precisely. HMU on skype if you have private matters that aren't appropriate for the forums that you wish to discuss, I am open for discussions... like I have always been.

Edit: omg the edits are confusing xD

Except that isn't often is it? xD Anywho, saying "everyone" wasn't very correct was it. Also may I say, the only issue that has really ever been produced is Zac being rude with Michael. So please what are the many disputes? You are active on Slack yes, but you are not active on TS bud.

 I will say, I cant deny that Zac and Michael have been toxic lately but one of them was taken care of, and the other one is hardly that rude anymore. (THAT) I do agree that 'a' dispute has occurred, but maybe if it was handled better the result would not have been as bad as it is right now. There really is no reason for the 18+ chat to be removed. Honestly, if you want to make 50% of Teamspeak go, your doing pretty good at it. 

Again, there has been a lengthy dispute, alas that is not 'many' and definitely not enough for the removal of a chat. If you are going to remove the 18+ chats, you might as well remove the suites now. I just find it saddening that TS is being changed by 7 or 8 people who don't even use it. (give or take 1)

Eh. I didn't want the 18+ channels removed altogether. I think if we have enough staff that use TeamSpeak, 18+ channels can be monitored.

Removing them is just lazy from my point of view.

"THAT EVEN SNOW disagreed with it"
Nice touch.

That little list of players you have there, they are the reason we don't have 18+ channels anymore, not the Senior Staff.

If you morons weren't so immature all the time, we'd still have these channels.
But instead of working with the staff team, you just had to be cute little rebels didn't you?

There's no-one to blame but yourselves. 
You were warned multiple times that if you continued to be a bunch of dicks, something would be done about it.

I mean, lets be honest, the removal if the 18+ channels wasn't a decision that was made in a split second, it was talked about and discussed between staff and community.

Everyone on that list, you people screwed it up for yourselves. 

You were given warnings but you still abused your privilege (not your right) to have 18+ channels.

Now that they're gone, you want to bitch and moan at the Senior Staff because you people were continuing rude, immature and disrespectful after being warned?

Give me a break.

you can just swear in the normal chats... theres no one to stop you

merge with ocn now.

"THAT EVEN SNOW disagreed with it"
Nice touch.

That little list of players you have there, they are the reason we don't have 18+ channels anymore, not the Senior Staff.

If you morons weren't so immature all the time, we'd still have these channels.
But instead of working with the staff team, you just had to be cute little rebels didn't you?

There's no-one to blame but yourselves. 
You were warned multiple times that if you continued to be a bunch of dicks, something would be done about it.

I mean, lets be honest, the removal if the 18+ channels wasn't a decision that was made in a split second, it was talked about and discussed between staff and community.

Everyone on that list, you people screwed it up for yourselves. 

You were given warnings but you still abused your privilege (not your right) to have 18+ channels.

Now that they're gone, you want to bitch and moan at the Senior Staff because you people were continuing rude, immature and disrespectful after being warned?

Give me a break.

"THAT EVEN SNOW disagreed with it"
Nice touch.

That little list of players you have there, they are the reason we don't have 18+ channels anymore, not the Senior Staff.

If you morons weren't so immature all the time, we'd still have these channels.
But instead of working with the staff team, you just had to be cute little rebels didn't you?

There's no-one to blame but yourselves. 
You were warned multiple times that if you continued to be a bunch of dicks, something would be done about it.

I mean, lets be honest, the removal if the 18+ channels wasn't a decision that was made in a split second, it was talked about and discussed between staff and community.

Everyone on that list, you people screwed it up for yourselves. 

You were given warnings but you still abused your privilege (not your right) to have 18+ channels.

Now that they're gone, you want to bitch and moan at the Senior Staff because you people were continuing rude, immature and disrespectful after being warned?

Give me a break.

1. We aren't the reason 18+ is removed it would be the butthurt people who cried about being offended.
2. I am a cute little rebel wut of it m9?
3. You're little bleeding heart routine and tough guy act towards the CENATION is a little be stale try something new

It kind of was your fault since you never thought to listen to the people who were offended by the things you did.

It kind of was your fault since you never thought to listen to the people who were offended by the things you did.

"That little list of players you have there, they are the reason we don't have 18+ channels anymore, not the Senior Staff."

no, it was the senior staff

1. We aren't the reason 18+ is removed it would be the butthurt people who cried about being offended.
2. I am a cute little rebel wut of it m9?
3. You're little bleeding heart routine and tough guy act towards the CENATION is a little be stale try something new

it would be the butthurt people who cried about being offended.
Then don't offend them! Go somewhere else or tell them to go somewhere else. Skype is an awesome service.

I guess it doesn't matter for you anymore considering you can't get back on Avicus TeamSpeak.

But the thing is going somewhere else meant going to 18+ then avicus could retain its community while giving terrible people like me an outlet to be ourselves.

You're joking right?
Because I know you're not that thick.

Nonetheless, I'll explain...

Yes, the Seniors were the ones to physically remove the channel but it was the appalling behaviour of you guys that made the 18+ channel have the terrible reputation it now has.

it would be the butthurt people who cried about being offended.
Then don't offend them! Go somewhere else or tell them to go somewhere else. Skype is an awesome service.

I guess it doesn't matter for you anymore considering you can't get back on Avicus TeamSpeak.

appalling*
I know you're not that thick.

The 18+ channel isn't supposed to have a "good" reputation, it's made to be inappropriate. That's kinda why it was created.

while giving terrible people like me an outlet to be ourselves.
"Skype is an awesome service."

Yea and it kinda got deleted because some too many problems were originating from the channel.

I love how you are all discussing and insulting each other because of nothing more than a +18 TS channel! Get over it. You're not going to become better persons by just getting the +18 channels back.
Anyway, come on, give them just another of those opportunities that always are wrongly used and will always make the trouble come back. 
Just another chance, bring it back. If the crying babies behave wrongly again, just throw the +18 channels to the trash. 

It was all within the rules it had stated within the description.

http://www.riddlydiddly.com/

It was all within the rules it had stated within the description.
Nowhere in the description did it say "if too many problems originate from this channel, it will get removed."

What are you on about?

Bunch of butt hurt kids smh.

Or people could just ummmm not get offended lmao.

I am an idiot move along

ten yr old idiot wow

You can't just "not get offended." Being offended is a feeling, and it's pretty hard to change them unless you look at it from a different perspective. You and your group were doing all sorts of uncalled for stuff even after we told you not to and well, this is the result even if it may not be the best for some people. 

Also, did you not make your own TeamSpeak server because you disliked the Avicus one? So why are you still complaining about it?

Was made because Zac got banned

You can't just "not get offended." Being offended is a feeling, and it's pretty hard to change them unless you look at it from a different perspective. You and your group were doing all sorts of uncalled for stuff even after we told you not to and well, this is the result even if it may not be the best for some people. 

Also, did you not make your own TeamSpeak server because you disliked the Avicus one? So why are you still complaining about it?

No, he didn't.

"Since avicus would like to maintain its TeamSpeak's current stylings and there are a considerable amount of players who are disatisfied with it in its current state, we have created our own Teamspeak. "

Direct quote from Zac's thread. :p

All I'm seeing here is freedom of speech vs. maturity rights.

I'm a bit mixed on this...

Instead of removing the 18+ channel couldn't there have been a set of rules that can be created to keep certain people in check? 

I agree that the TS community brought it upon themselves fully (Honestly, racism? 9/11 jokes? Disgusting), however, I believe stricter and more specific rules could've been created as a better alternative.
I believe that in a situation like this, rules similar to the cruelty of Hammurabi's codes in retaliation to rule breaking could and should be implemented.

These may violate your "Freedom of speech" (No it doesn't). However, I have two responses to this stupid claim:

• You don't need to excessively curse, post inappropriate links or play NSFW audio in order to make a nice joke or get your point across... you guys relegated Africans to hungry savages (I one time heard something similar to this)... but what is this type of behavior? This is savagery all in its self.
• There is a thing called using your constitutional rights responsibly. You guys don't do this much at all. One time I came for one of my sporadic visits and I heard various inappropriate things and was targeted by *Cough* him *Cough*. He accused me of making a false leaving post and told a mod to ban me.

It is disgusting and really eye-opening to see former staff members that did their job mostly well to act in this manner. Although I was demoted for a mostly foolish reason over a stupid incident... I don't go around raising all sorts of hell amongst the server and piss people off.

Neither do I seem to have a cold and coarse attitude  or a joking and satirical attitude towards shootings...

Seriously, where is your humanity?

Well, maybe if you 15-year-olds actually acted your age we wouldn't be having this conversation? That list mentioned are the bunch of 5-year-olds, acting like 2-year-olds. I don't find any maturity in Avicus; especially the former staff. I am sick of all these racist jokes, cancer jokes, DDoS threats, so on. If you are gonna act that way you can piss off. I can't believe this is the community you bring Avicus to because listen up sunshine, you have something more in life. I am sick of a load of bs happening in TeamSpeak. Let's give you some examples!

Me getting called a squeaker. Can you nick off, please? I don't see you little brats being called a squeaker when you were young, and don't give me the bitchy comment "Leave if you don't like it". I am sick of the one leaving, you know why? Because if you pissed off and acted maturely I wouldn't have to leave; no one would have to leave actually. I'm not saying be a serious bunch of teens, but I am saying grow up a little.

18+ channels aren't even necessary. All I hear is "Omfg, She was getting humped and it took the guy so long to get a boner". Why would we want a bunch of skunks on the TeamSpeak if they make a fool of themselves by being douche bag faces? 

I can't believe this nonsense is coming from former staff. Not one former girl staff member is immature on this server.

Snow's comments are words of truth

Well, maybe if you 15-year-olds actually acted your age we wouldn't be having this conversation? That list mentioned are the bunch of 5-year-olds, acting like 2-year-olds. I don't find any maturity in Avicus; especially the former staff. I am sick of all these racist jokes, cancer jokes, DDoS threats, so on. If you are gonna act that way you can piss off. I can't believe this is the community you bring Avicus to because listen up sunshine, you have something more in life. I am sick of a load of bs happening in TeamSpeak. Let's give you some examples!

Me getting called a squeaker. Can you nick off, please? I don't see you little brats being called a squeaker when you were young, and don't give me the bitchy comment "Leave if you don't like it". I am sick of the one leaving, you know why? Because if you pissed off and acted maturely I wouldn't have to leave; no one would have to leave actually. I'm not saying be a serious bunch of teens, but I am saying grow up a little.

18+ channels aren't even necessary. All I hear is "Omfg, She was getting humped and it took the guy so long to get a boner". Why would we want a bunch of skunks on the TeamSpeak if they make a fool of themselves by being douche bag faces? 

I can't believe this nonsense is coming from former staff. Not one former girl staff member is immature on this server.

Snow's comments are words of truth

I agree with Jozz on this. Staff had a discussion for about a week trying to work out a solution to keep the channels, they came to the conclusion that it was better to get rid of them all together than keep them. You guys were given multiple warnings to act respectful on Teamspeak but you didn't, as Snow said it was a privilege and you ruined it.

I still find it funny that the staff get all flustered about 9/11 jokes, but when people make terrorism jokes all the time with nothing done about it. (TOTALLY NOT LIKE I DO THAT) However, I hate to say it but 9/11 was the death of 2,996 people, while lets call it America/11 in Pakistan killed 2,476-3,989 people. Do I get offended by people making these jokes? No, because I'm not a 12 year old who hasn't realized the internet can be a strange place. In regards to what you said Rilo, kthxbai. Anywho, as most of the old members of the  forums have already stated TS is a place for people to let off steam etc. Being racist etc in the 18+ chat is not something that should be frowned upon seeing as that was "18+." People have always made jokes using words such as "niggers" "gay" Has anyone ever been butthurt enough to care? No. I guess it shows that people can't handle dark humour. But meh... I guess I'm just going to make my terrorist jokes in normal chats now.        

** Dont get me wrong, 9/11 was terrible... Its just its not that bad compared to other things. (Like the Massacre of Muslims in Bosnia).

I still find it funny that the staff get all flustered about 9/11 jokes, but when people make terrorism jokes all the time with nothing done about it. (TOTALLY NOT LIKE I DO THAT) However, I hate to say it but 9/11 was the death of 2,996 people, while lets call it America/11 in Pakistan killed 2,476-3,989 people. Do I get offended by people making these jokes? No, because I'm not a 12 year old who hasn't realized the internet can be a strange place. In regards to what you said Rilo, kthxbai. Anywho, as most of the old members of the  forums have already stated TS is a place for people to let off steam etc. Being racist etc in the 18+ chat is not something that should be frowned upon seeing as that was "18+." People have always made jokes using words such as "niggers" "gay" Has anyone ever been butthurt enough to care? No. I guess it shows that people can't handle dark humour. But meh... I guess I'm just going to make my terrorist jokes in normal chats now.        

** Dont get me wrong, 9/11 was terrible... Its just its not that bad compared to other things. (Like the Massacre of Muslims in Bosnia).

Alright, so.

 "No, it just shows that people can't handle dark humour."

That's not necessarily the case. I'll give an example.

Say that someone is sitting in a TS channel, minding their own bussiness. You guys rock up and start taking about, let's say, rape jokes. That person may have been affected by sexual assault, and essentially what you're doing is digging up traumatic memories. This whole trauma ordeal applies to many situations.

These people might be able to handle dark humour, but when you stir up memories, it's fucking hard to push them back down. Especially if they've left an emotional scar.

Can't you just be considerate and take your conversations to Skype?

Alright, so.

 "No, it just shows that people can't handle dark humour."

That's not necessarily the case. I'll give an example.

Say that someone is sitting in a TS channel, minding their own bussiness. You guys rock up and start taking about, let's say, rape jokes. That person may have been affected by sexual assault, and essentially what you're doing is digging up traumatic memories. This whole trauma ordeal applies to many situations.

These people might be able to handle dark humour, but when you stir up memories, it's fucking hard to push them back down. Especially if they've left an emotional scar.

Can't you just be considerate and take your conversations to Skype?

Ok then stop talking about Cancer.  Period. On the forums aswell... Also, people dont just join chats randomly.

And dont say "you guys" because no one does that. I can honestly say, no one makes rape jokes.

... Did I ever say anything about cancer?

And yes, everyone joins TS randomly. It's not like you have a scheduled time to enter a channel.

@Glitchy: Yes, but Im not talking about the 18+ channels. Iron even specified that he is just going to make his terrorist jokes in other channels now.

You were speaking about people in general, im speaking about people in general.

People do not join random chats that have no one in them. Also, again.... No one makes rape jokes. I especially hope you realise that everyone that makes these kind of jokes isn't serious. 

This is Off-Topic lets get back on Topic

EDIT: where else can I make my bad jokes that insult my own race?

I'm glad Channel 18+ rules were removed. They were causing to many problems with players being rude, immature, and disrespectful. Now after the senior staff have done a good decision, they get bashed on for non valid reasons. Its not there fault, its the players fault for abusing the privilege to have 18+ channels.

Not to mention people were bullying/being racist to other players there in fact, and players did there best to stay away from those kind of players in the chat room. They shouldn't be afraid to go into the 18+ chat.

Eh, Skype?

Also, people do make those sort of jokes. I don't give a shit whether they're serious or not, it's socially unacceptable.

Ok then stop talking about Cancer.  Period. On the forums aswell... Also, people dont just join chats randomly.

And dont say "you guys" because no one does that. I can honestly say, no one makes rape jokes.

This all seems depressing and heated, not going to argue against you Iron or Zac or Glitch or Michael, because you have a good point. I might be making you swear at me right now, but I'm at the point where I really don't give a single dam. I can't believe how every time we make a decision (yes some are wrong ones) it's yay! time to rant and make a fool of the staff team :DD For crying out loud! How hard is it to right up a doc with quotes from people in the community saying why you want things back the way they were with evidence and good reasoning and present it to the staff team? We'd more likely to communicate and get a solution which is happy for both sides instead of a war happening, the time you've spent ranting, complaining and arguing on this thread would've made a brilliant report which would've resolved this issue all ready!

See? Didn't mention a single word about 18+ channels, not too hard was it, eh?

Don't reply with hate, keep it to yourselves; talk to me on teamspeak if you've got something wrong with my opinion.
Thanks :)

You sure no one does that?

I have got a voice recording when 5 users including you were talking about rape and Homofobic related stuff, so please, if you don't have a good memory, don't fucking post that.

The only point of a thread like this is to make my concerns which are shared by many well known. In fact, its a lot easier to get a hold of people such as mooch on the forums as opposed to other medias. 

I also pretty much wrote a report in the OP, if you looked.

Yo give me that recording on skype please. Ironsoldier_2000

Could've just given the report to an admin privately instead of causing such an outrage on the forums, I'd rather not read 30 odd comments about how shit the senior staff team and their decisions are when I'm trying to improve the server. Fancy taking my job and know how I feel?

Could've just given the report to an admin privately instead of causing such an outrage on the forums, I'd rather not read 30 odd comments about how shit the senior staff team and their decisions are when I'm trying to improve the server. Fancy taking my job and know how I feel?

A protest is supposed to be loud and public. Private and quiet protests are much less effective.

You've clearly understood loud and public, but what I don't get is why it has to be so harsh and negative, surely you can say something that doesn't have pathetic, shit, dumb or useless in every sentences.
Sorry for sounding harsh, but it's what we see this as.

Well I'm not being harsh. I'm going to be negative, because that's my viewpoint of the issue.

Well thank you for telling me that 30 minutes of writing is shit, and pathetic! I appreciate that coming from a senior staff! Why dont you acknowledge the issue and discuss it with the community. You should be trying to work with me not make me more angry. Plus, you could just contact me on skype. Its not my job to do that. You could atleast try to move this to skype. Which you clearly aren't.

I have contacted an admin about Teamspeak twice before, but I was ignored.

That are what protests are supposed to be. 
Harsh and anti-progressive, a few times effective, but at least it's worth enough to try, eh?
We're just asking you to take the +18 channels back.

Well I'm not being harsh. I'm going to be negative, because that's my viewpoint of the issue.

Well thank you for telling me that 30 minutes of writing is shit, and pathetic! I appreciate that coming from a senior staff! Why dont you acknowledge the issue and discuss it with the community. You should be trying to work with me not make me more angry. Plus, you could just contact me on skype. Its not my job to do that. You could atleast try to move this to skype. Which you clearly aren't.

I have contacted an admin about Teamspeak twice before, but I was ignored.

In the end, Id say riot in world 2 falador for 18+ channels.

Ill place the cannons

I would most definitely take this elsewhere and talk to the community, but I gave up with that when I was turned down by two people the other day saying they wanted a person with an actual brain and at least half a level of understanding, guess the community has let you down Iron. And yes, you read my statement wrong.

I would most definitely take this elsewhere and talk to the community, but I gave up with that when I was turned down by two people the other day saying they wanted a person with an actual brain and at least half a level of understanding, guess the community has let you down Iron. And yes, you read my statement wrong.

@Admins & Seniors

Dont you guys see now? So many people have been pushed away by your new changes. Please change it back.... I mean if you guys wanted you can even let me train the mods. I dont really care, as long as TS is changed back and the mods are taught properly..

"I mean if you guys wanted you can even let me train the mods. I dont really care"
Try not to let your ego get involved in this. It dampens the point you're trying to make.

Dude I actually do have a huge ego, I actually am trying to fix it :C. However, I did actually want to set up a Teamspeak mentoring thing as a junior, I did get Jozz's approval. I just wasn't able to carry out the idea.

They do have a staff training room now.
Not quite sure what it's always used for but it's a good addition.

Ok list the players.

Second, you shouldnt be immature in an 18+ chat? (LOL WHAT)

Third, You can be rude in 18+ Chats (xDDD)

Fourth, Non-Valid reasons? Please, explain. Evidently the 10 or so people who have agreed with me on this post don't think so.

You've clearly understood loud and public, but what I don't get is why it has to be so harsh and negative, surely you can say something that doesn't have pathetic, shit, dumb or useless in every sentences.
Sorry for sounding harsh, but it's what we see this as.

The players have pretty much been listed already multiple times.

By "immature" it can be trolling the other players, and correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't trolling not allowed in the 18+ above channels?

There is a difference between being rude and bullying/racism.

Lets see, one of you're valid reasons is to loosen up to offensive jokes? 9/11 for example, even though it was one of the most devastating attacks America has ever faced, that almost three thousand people died?

Instead of arguing with every player who has a different opinion then yours, talk about the situation with Staff members (senior moderators/admins) and try to fix this situation instead of making a rant page every time they make a choice, and try to not start riot or a flame war. In all honesty, making rants and riots isn't going to solve the situation.

This isn't about morals or acting mature, this is about having a place for people to be their toxic selves, the whole POINT of the channel is to be toxic, that's why it's "18+", it's supposed to be cancerous.

"18+ channels aren't even necessary. All I hear is "Omfg, She was getting humped and it took the guy so long to get a boner". 

Actually now that the channels are removed you'll be hearing stuff like that a lot more in your "safe" chats.

"Not one former girl staff member is immature on this server."

Because a majority of staff are male, don't even make that fucking comparison.

Nobody wants to censor themselves just so Mr. "im 12 but mature for my age" can keep his feelings intact.

Well actually, it is. If you weren't morons we wouldn't be discussing this. Why do people have to be toxic? It is a completely dumbass idea. 
"Actually now that the channels are removed you'll be hearing stuff like that a lot more in your "safe" chats."
Haha, Funny. That's why we get mature staff who actually deal with things, or this server will turn into more pieces of you know what
"Nobody wants to censor themselves just so Mr. "im 12 but mature for my age" can keep his feelings intact.".

I never classified myself of being mature. I am stating the fact that you take it to a huge  extent in being immature. I don't say any of that crap, you do realise?

Zac made his own ts server, so why not use it? You said yourself that you made it because you got banned, so why don't you use it? And I'm sure all of his friends are allowed to join too, so I really don't see why you care so much about it since you already took the initiative to fix the problem. All your rules are allowed on your TeamSpeak, all your friends are there, you don't really have a reason to want those channels back unless you just want to feel like you're right.

Honestly, the channel is called 18+ channel for a reason so if you are under 18 and getting offended, who's fault is that?

The 18+ channels caused too much hassle and trouble for everyone so it is a good thing that they were removed, it now means that there are hardly any rule 'loopholes'. Sorry to everyone annoyed by it but in reality, who is 18+ that comes on TS anyway too?

Honestly, the channel is called 18+ channel for a reason so if you are under 18 and getting offended, who's fault is that?

Everyone here is blowing this way out of proportion. It's a fucking channel on Teamspeak. Who cares.

According to the OP, you care very much about it. :p

According to the OP, you care very much about it. :p

Yes that very much contradicts my point.

Wait! No it doesn't. You know why? Because I didn't put my name there. Iron did. And I'm not the one making a massive fuss about TS. You guys are. And you are completely overreacting to an issue so small, so minute due to the fact that it affects only a small select few people, since the population of Teamspeak is about the population of like Sealand.

Yes that very much contradicts my point.

Wait! No it doesn't. You know why? Because I didn't put my name there. Iron did. And I'm not the one making a massive fuss about TS. You guys are. And you are completely overreacting to an issue so small, so minute due to the fact that it affects only a small select few people, since the population of Teamspeak is about the population of like Sealand.

Not bad

Ok why was my post deleted exactly? Perfect reason why TeamSpeak and the server itself is a hugbox.

Server is PG mate, watch out.

Just a friendly reminder that this thread is for constructive criticism and opinions on the channels being removed. There is no need for the "Avicus is going PG" posts, they don't help with anything. So if you really want to try to get your opinions across it'd be best to write up useful replies that might end up bringing the channels back. Thanks guys!

"Avicus is going PG" is called constructive criticism there. The staff team literally just reads through threads like this and discuss about it and then make comments like this. Bringing the channels back just sounds like a lie coming from staff. You take opinions too harshly and act so irrational when you see the community telling you feedback. Go ahead and request an IP check on me in #requests if you want, because I know you are, and I don't care.

Some may consider that constructive but I don't. It doesn't really give any ideas, just the usual comments about how bad Avicus is. And sorry if you think I act irrational towards feedback, but it's not a problem to me. It would just be a little nice if we could get feedback that wasn't in a package that said "You guys suck" all over it.

I somewhat do agree with the channels being brought back because of how easy it is to just leave the channel, but it's going to need more than that to fully convince me. :>

Well actually, it is. If you weren't morons we wouldn't be discussing this. Why do people have to be toxic? It is a completely dumbass idea. 
"Actually now that the channels are removed you'll be hearing stuff like that a lot more in your "safe" chats."
Haha, Funny. That's why we get mature staff who actually deal with things, or this server will turn into more pieces of you know what
"Nobody wants to censor themselves just so Mr. "im 12 but mature for my age" can keep his feelings intact.".

I never classified myself of being mature. I am stating the fact that you take it to a huge  extent in being immature. I don't say any of that crap, you do realise?

Some may consider that constructive but I don't. It doesn't really give any ideas, just the usual comments about how bad Avicus is. And sorry if you think I act irrational towards feedback, but it's not a problem to me. It would just be a little nice if we could get feedback that wasn't in a package that said "You guys suck" all over it.

I somewhat do agree with the channels being brought back because of how easy it is to just leave the channel, but it's going to need more than that to fully convince me. :>

If the demographic that is holding the Avicus teamspeak together are ones that want to be racist, offend groups, and be overall toxic, then by all means we would want to change TeamSpeak. That group is welcome to go somewhere else, but Avicus is a Minecraft server for everyone to enjoy, not just to be insulting.

Some may consider that constructive but I don't. It doesn't really give any ideas, just the usual comments about how bad Avicus is. And sorry if you think I act irrational towards feedback, but it's not a problem to me. It would just be a little nice if we could get feedback that wasn't in a package that said "You guys suck" all over it.

I somewhat do agree with the channels being brought back because of how easy it is to just leave the channel, but it's going to need more than that to fully convince me. :>

"I believe that in a situation like this, rules similar to the cruelty of Hammurabi's codes in retaliation to rule breaking could and should be implemented." LMAO EYE FOR AN EYE PUNISHMENTS! IF SOMEONE CALLS YOU THE N WORD YOU GET TO CALL THEM IT BACK?!?! +1 +1 +1 Hammurabi's code, not codes is notoriously strict. These punishments you are suggesting mostly refer to massive indebted fines, removal of limbs or other crucial body parts and of course execution. How exactly do you suggest avicus staff implement this? Send Spartemex out with a longsword to chop heads and take names? Yes, yes we're the inhumane ones. Btw I do love that you brought up constitutional rights, because 1. avicus is not based out of one country nor is it's access defined to a specific area and what about free speech? lmao I gtg keep an eye out for greg now, I heard he caught me spamming and is coming over to cut my fingers off.

I bet the discussion we're havin' here would make sense if people weren't arguing against 13-year-old mods who're not capable of doing their job correctly. It's just a god damn channel people, if you don't like racism and such, move to another channel, it's not that hard.

Exactly, its an 18+ channel ffs. There are obviously adult jokes. It was their choice to go in there, and their choice to get offended by whatever someone said.

I think this 9 "trash" chapters of this theme shouldn be use on something more productive like next Avicus Tournament or IG Play feedback.. And not on just "+18 Channel" and things like that, If you have any problem of racism/rudeness go somewhere else.

I don't know why they were even called 18+ in the first place because everyone in those channels acted with the maturity of a four year old.

Why not just categorise chats, here's a few examples:

im 8 years old and I want to be a creeper when I grow up

12 years old hate getting kissed by mum when she drops me off with my friends, not allowed to use swear words but 1 drops though every now and again and all fellow 12 year olds orgasm when they hear it

 15 year olds, brain cells developing, medium swearing "oh fuck I died", "shit the cunt killed me"

sr chat which I would personally call "cards against humanity". Be prepared to hear swear words, racism, sexual jokes, "camping faggot suck my big black dick" and everything else that makes people who dont participate in this chat cry.

let people choose their chat that way no one can say that they were offended and that x rated chats are clearly known to be x rated

I would most definitely take this elsewhere and talk to the community, but I gave up with that when I was turned down by two people the other day saying they wanted a person with an actual brain and at least half a level of understanding, guess the community has let you down Iron. And yes, you read my statement wrong.

Well, maybe if you 15-year-olds actually acted your age we wouldn't be having this conversation? That list mentioned are the bunch of 5-year-olds, acting like 2-year-olds. I don't find any maturity in Avicus; especially the former staff. I am sick of all these racist jokes, cancer jokes, DDoS threats, so on. If you are gonna act that way you can piss off. I can't believe this is the community you bring Avicus to because listen up sunshine, you have something more in life. I am sick of a load of bs happening in TeamSpeak. Let's give you some examples!

Me getting called a squeaker. Can you nick off, please? I don't see you little brats being called a squeaker when you were young, and don't give me the bitchy comment "Leave if you don't like it". I am sick of the one leaving, you know why? Because if you pissed off and acted maturely I wouldn't have to leave; no one would have to leave actually. I'm not saying be a serious bunch of teens, but I am saying grow up a little.

18+ channels aren't even necessary. All I hear is "Omfg, She was getting humped and it took the guy so long to get a boner". Why would we want a bunch of skunks on the TeamSpeak if they make a fool of themselves by being douche bag faces? 

I can't believe this nonsense is coming from former staff. Not one former girl staff member is immature on this server.

Snow's comments are words of truth

'Douche bag faces'
wow shots fired
Also
Bring them back, it wont stop anything.

I was gonna use something else but I didn't