Locking Post Boundaries and Thoughts by Stimulating March 21, 2015 at 12:03 AM UTC

"there are no clear rules around what topics should be allowed and not allowed"

Avicus.net/rules 
Forum Rules E.7 and 8
Discussions surrounding personal updates is frowned upon as they are meant to be inclusive rather than oriented around a single person. Punishments for this will only be distributed in the event that a user continually uses the discussions for this purpose alone.

Attention seeking status updates are prohibited. The Avicus Network forum is not designed to be a social network to keep others up to date with what is going on in your personal or online life, but rather an environment where all users are involved in discussions that pertain to larger and more relatable topics.

Seems pretty clear to me.

moderators in general are playing it too by the books
We are Moderators, "playing it by the books" is what we do.
We enforce rules. That's our job.

play it less by the books...get some actual guidelines 
This seems a bit contradictory. 

it feels like mods lock EVERYTHING
From your standpoint, it might but that's simply not true.
We archive and lock unnecessary threads. We don't lock everything.

Avicus = Unorganized.

I just love when Admins say "Oh ye, we're doing stuff, we'll be more efficient".
No Offence, but no shit has been done.

This is what I mean, it seems like from the staff perspective that threads can only be seen in one light. If someone got Cancer or had to get surgery, or if someone is leaving in general, would you lock their post for being self-centered?  

2nd part...Let's face it, the mods have been on a locking spree for the most petty stuff and it's pissing the community off, the staff's decisions are so robotic now tbh. I'm not saying don't enforce the rules, just don't act as if the rules on the website are the equivalent of the bible, lmao.

1st part...Once again, that single-minded approach that I mentioned before, that everything has to be by the rules and black or white. I made a more self-centered leaving post and it wasn't locked, his was, first prestige threads were said to be allowed weeks ago, now are being locked. Im guessing a lot of the community is confused about this, and I wanted clarification.

2nd part...Let's face it, the mods have been on a locking spree for the most petty stuff and it's pissing the community off, the staff's decisions are so robotic now tbh. I'm not saying don't enforce the rules, just don't act as if the rules on the website are the equivalent of the bible, lmao.
Do you even understand how the community pisses us off by ignoring us half of the time?

1st part...Once again, that single-minded approach that I mentioned before, that everything has to be by the rules and black or white. I made a more self-centered leaving post and it wasn't locked, his was, first prestige threads were said to be allowed weeks ago, now are being locked. Im guessing a lot of the community is confused about this, and I wanted clarification.
If you wanted clarification, all you need to do is whip up Skype, and PM a staff member (preferably a senior moderator and/or the moderator who locked it).

Issue is the same as the thing with spawnkilling, every mod seems to have a different interpretation of what it is. In this case lockable or not, so I want a general outline across the board. Because there is obviously a disconnect here, how the locking all of a sudden changed without an announcement and how certain posts that deserved to be pocked didn't get locked and posts that should be.

Ah yes, regarding the spawnkilling issue... the map devs were going to add redstone to where spawnkilling would be punishable. Not sure if they are continuing this.. 

Not every moderator is a robot, and you have to agree with me on that one. You can't help it when a staff member takes their role seriously. If that's their nature, we can't alter that.

Yeah, I'm just saying you can take your job seriously and be non-robotic at the same time, like Juano when he was Jr. Mod. He stayed connected with the community VERY well and was chill and did his job and took it seriously. I'm not saying take back your desicions, just it is possible to do so. 

I'm glad to hear there is some stuff being implemented to clarify boundaries. As long as the chasing back into spawn is fine, OK by me, unless you're making the coding so they can't enter that area like OCN.

It's very rare to see two individuals with the same approach at set tasks.

Can't we just hug this out?

Yeah, I'm just saying you can take your job seriously and be non-robotic at the same time, like Juano when he was Jr. Mod. He stayed connected with the community VERY well and was chill and did his job and took it seriously. I'm not saying take back your desicions, just it is possible to do so. 

I'm glad to hear there is some stuff being implemented to clarify boundaries. As long as the chasing back into spawn is fine, OK by me, unless you're making the coding so they can't enter that area like OCN.

But we did agree that first prestige posts were allowed and that leaving posts were allowed, and some lock them, some don't...

Then contact a senior staff member. Does it not say this?

I didn't know self-centered posts weren't allowed when several staff members left and made posts...

Look man cut the crap. If Zinteka was making a leaving post he should have just made a leaving post. But he snubbed the staff and the community, and shit like that just ain't excusable. You dont wanna see that pop up on your forums, you dont want them to be toxic or nothing. You know why it seemed like technicalities? Why it seemed like Midnight was stretching it? He was defusing a situation which was bound to spiral out of control; you cannot just have a discussion when there is so slanted and hostile a post as that leaving post. Midnight made a very smart decision that was trying to clean up the forums. Don't criticise him for doing what he thought was best for the community just cos it was a friend's post he locked. These forums are meant to be fun; if you wanna bitch about stuff do it to the staff, cos at least then you'd be somewhat helping them solve problems, instead of whining out loud.

I didn't know self-centered posts weren't allowed when several staff members left and made posts...

We have recently (a few minutes ago) restricted locking and archiving to Senior Staff members only. Hopefully, it will help in making the forums a more relaxed and fun place. However, I'd really like if we cut down posts that reiterate what others said, especially negative ones. I'm not directing that at you, just my general opinion.

We have recently (a few minutes ago) restricted locking and archiving to Senior Staff members only. Hopefully, it will help in making the forums a more relaxed and fun place. However, I'd really like if we cut down posts that reiterate what others said, especially negative ones. I'm not directing that at you, just my general opinion.

I'm usually the nice guy on this server, but today I'm not. This post is pretty silly stimulating. Seriously. Why do you just assume the mods are robots who just lock random posts? You know they lock certain discussions for certain reasons right? There are rules on this server, look at them. The moderators, and the rest of the staff have done a wonderful job managing avicus. Just think about all the great things that the mods have done for you! Some
mods just let flames burn forever on the forums. Don't just scream at them about locking posts. Just realize they have a purpose. There is is a support email dude. Use it to complain. Not the forums. 

I hope you understand my concern for your actions, and for the way you are treating the wonderful staff of avicus!!

Tbh I've snubbed staff way harder in other post a that took way longer to get locked, he was stating an opinions, which he has every right it have. I've offered a way for the staff to help themselves, and this isn't about him, it is just a point out of many examples. Tbh, that thread was not instigating flame and was not being responded to with any negative feeling, so idk where you get this "defusing a situation that was bound to spiral out of control" when it never was in the first place and there were no signs of such happening.

Ay bro we got different understandings on that then. It wasn't trying to instigate a flame war but shit happens man, and it was bound to happen if he hadn't locked it.

A lot of the Sr. Mods don't respond and are difficult to reach due to work loads tbh...

Look man cut the crap. If Zinteka was making a leaving post he should have just made a leaving post. But he snubbed the staff and the community, and shit like that just ain't excusable. You dont wanna see that pop up on your forums, you dont want them to be toxic or nothing. You know why it seemed like technicalities? Why it seemed like Midnight was stretching it? He was defusing a situation which was bound to spiral out of control; you cannot just have a discussion when there is so slanted and hostile a post as that leaving post. Midnight made a very smart decision that was trying to clean up the forums. Don't criticise him for doing what he thought was best for the community just cos it was a friend's post he locked. These forums are meant to be fun; if you wanna bitch about stuff do it to the staff, cos at least then you'd be somewhat helping them solve problems, instead of whining out loud.

Tell me, how exactly was I "snubbing" the staff and the community? I was just telling the reasons why i was leaving. 

"Do you want me to lie?"

Let me tell you this. 

• My first post was understandable for being locked.
• My second post did not need to be locked as it was not me who instigated.
• My third post was just people saying goodbye to me and a random mod coming along and locking the post. Very unnecessary. 
• A leaving post was what I made, so don't get it twisted.

Stop it. Just stop. The third post was just people saying goodbye to me.

You do not sound logical in this statement I'm afraid. Go read my third post and you can clearly see that the topic did NOT need to be locked.

Temp-Leaving posts aren't allowed. I even requested mine to be locked for that reason.

Yet mine wasn't locked =_=

Tell me, how exactly was I "snubbing" the staff and the community? I was just telling the reasons why i was leaving. 

"Do you want me to lie?"

Let me tell you this. 

• My first post was understandable for being locked.
• My second post did not need to be locked as it was not me who instigated.
• My third post was just people saying goodbye to me and a random mod coming along and locking the post. Very unnecessary. 
• A leaving post was what I made, so don't get it twisted.

Stop it. Just stop. The third post was just people saying goodbye to me.

You do not sound logical in this statement I'm afraid. Go read my third post and you can clearly see that the topic did NOT need to be locked.

Link?

I aint being logical?
Bro, you talkin about the staff and community in such a rude fashion wasn't needed. You was snubbing them. If you really wanted people to say goodbye then just talk about the other stuff, don't bring other people into it and just talk about your personal motivation for leaving. I ain't telling you to lie, but some shit you should just keep to yourself. 
You can be all idealistic and shit about "wanting to speak the truth" and all that stuff, I ain't gonna argue about your personal views. But the way you talked it dont seem like you cared much about other people's feelings.
"players banned on avicus being banned on TS, robotic-like and cold mods, and the faults on the players' side is simply too much to list."
Tell me how that part was needed. Just say "The community wasn't welcoming and I didn't feel comfortable with the environment." If you truly wanted to say goodbye, to truly be respectful to Avicus and its community you wouldn't have been so harsh, you would've just said goodbye and been done with it.

You have a point there, but let me tell you a few things:

• I would be lying if i said that I didn't feel welcomed into the community. Right now though, you are giving me a clear view of the many faults of players. The ones who are too petty and think that every little statement is a declaration of war.
• I wasn't raised that way, I was raised to hear the whole truth and learn from my mistakes as well as say the whole truth. A good child and one who follows their parents' rules is disciplined and raised in this manner. No sugar-coating, you need to know exactly what you're doing wrong and try to correct it.
• It isn't really harsh, its stuff that is common knowledge among us and other people have posted these on their posts as well. So when I do it should it suddenly be a supreme court case or a United Nations Military tribunal? Am I being court marshaled?
• It is my post, if i wish to post my reasons for leaving then I am free to do so. Perhaps if i post this, many people might try to find what they're doing wrong and try to better themselves. It may not be constructive criticism as i did not add ways to improve, but any human being with common sense can find out how to fix these faults on their own.
• And finally, like i said. The part of me bringing other people into it was a mistake. I did not mean to accidentally single him out. When I was told about it as i did not notice that mentioning every other mapdev would single him out (Yes, stupid decision) I tried to edit the first post but it was locked and archived. In the third post i even got rid of the 4th bullet altogether.
  

When I made my posts, the first lock was justifiable but the second post the lock was not needed. 

So i thought "Third times the charm" and oop, a few goodbye comments.

Respond to Stimulating's comment.

Go to respond to other comments and i was thinking, "Topic is going so well".

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ModeratorDiscussions surrounding personal updates is frowned upon as they are meant to be inclusive rather than oriented around a single person. Punishments for this will only be distributed in the event that a user continually uses the discussions for this purpose alone.
Attention seeking status updates are prohibited. The Avicus Network forum is not designed to be a social network to keep others up to date with what is going on in your personal or online life, but rather an environment where all users are involved in discussions that pertain to larger and more relatable topics.

Also..
"I might come back after the update."
This makes this a temporary leaving post, which isn't allowed.

Locking...

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

Yeah, but in all seriousness, I felt like i was being attacked. And for what? Leaving? Just because I say I might come back doesnt mean I might consider coming back. 

I mean, from all this I am considering packing my figurative bags and leaving Avicus forever.

Look man I aint saying you are a bad person or nothing for saying the truth. It's just you gotta sugar coat for the sake of the community, it's toxic enough as it is. It may not feel right, then feel free to ignore me and you do you, but I'm just saying that you was being too harsh. I mean you may call it common sense or something already known, but it's still pretty mean, and anything that's that slanted is gonna be a problem. 
I've made my point, take it as you will. I'm done c:

Wait so are 1st and 15th prestige posts allowed?

I'm not sure; but Avicus is dying so run while you can.