Idea For A Future Tournament by Legoche July 13, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
Walls.Instead of 4 squadrons, 2.
1 team vs another, enough supplies for each player.
No kits.
Could work, could not. Ideas please.
Lucifist July 13, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
Interesting, and very original!+1
ProfessorUtonium July 13, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
Plz make this the next tournament. This could help revive the walls gamemodeiKronix_Gaming July 13, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
Nice ideaLucifist July 13, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
Actually, I'd like it if it 4 squadrons. 4 teams going against each other would be fun.ClubberNugget July 13, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
Actually, I'd like it if it 4 squadrons. 4 teams going against each other would be fun.
Teams of four
Use the maps in rots right now, but add a higher ore percentage, I say use maps on rot because a part of being good at walls is knowing the secrets of each map
PublixEmployee July 13, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
I was thinking of a walls tournament for a while now, to be honest with you.Two teams might just work out better for the sake of the brackets, so I'll note that.
BoldAndBrash July 13, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
4 teams will end too fast. 2 teams is great, in my opinion. And the no kits sounds great.+1.
Legoche July 13, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
I was thinking of a walls tournament for a while now, to be honest with you.
Two teams might just work out better for the sake of the brackets, so I'll note that.
Lucifist July 13, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
Hype?!?!?!?!
ClubberNugget July 13, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
It's real.
awesome_apricot July 13, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
This would be interesting!Lakitue July 13, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
Sg tournament ftwjracer15 July 13, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
YES PLZ! +1Numberz_ July 13, 2015 at 4:07 PM UTC
Inb4 Murph, Polar, Potato, Trevor, Megs and Porc make a team. +1Notalgicular July 13, 2015 at 4:07 PM UTC
you should probably add this to public before having it in a tournament..ProfessorUtonium July 13, 2015 at 4:07 PM UTC
you should probably add this to public before having it in a tournament..
jracer15 July 13, 2015 at 4:07 PM UTC
Inb4 Murph, Polar, Potato, Trevor, Megs and Porc make a team. +1
Goodnighht July 13, 2015 at 4:07 PM UTC
Best team: Me, Polar, Meggs, Pork, and Coco :D All of us know the maps, Polar's PVP is well, we all know. All of us are fairly good at PVP, we all know the strategies to raid sky bases, teamwork, etc.DonaldMyTrump July 13, 2015 at 4:07 PM UTC
Best team: Me, Polar, Meggs, Pork, and Coco :D All of us know the maps, Polar's PVP is well, we all know. All of us are fairly good at PVP, we all know the strategies to raid sky bases, teamwork, etc.
Vijf July 13, 2015 at 4:07 PM UTC
Damn, walls.kycrafft July 13, 2015 at 5:07 PM UTC
Inb4 Murph, Polar, Potato, Trevor, Megs and Porc make a team. +1
Anyways, it would be interesting to allow either a restricted amount of kits or have allow teams to veto certain kits before the game.
Tazz July 13, 2015 at 5:07 PM UTC
You are still the best walls player. 99=carry
Anyways, it would be interesting to allow either a restricted amount of kits or have allow teams to veto certain kits before the game.
ClubberNugget July 13, 2015 at 5:07 PM UTC
Best team: Me, Polar, Meggs, Pork, and Coco :D All of us know the maps, Polar's PVP is well, we all know. All of us are fairly good at PVP, we all know the strategies to raid sky bases, teamwork, etc.
Ezno
Optic
Izjust4delolz
Dont think we could beat that team you lined up but we could sure try haha
Notalgicular July 13, 2015 at 5:07 PM UTC
Why does everyone want walls when you can have TDM? Its the same but better because you don't have to get items which is incredibly boringjracer15 July 13, 2015 at 5:07 PM UTC
Why does everyone want walls when you can have TDM? Its the same but better because you don't have to get items which is incredibly boring
ImRaging July 13, 2015 at 5:07 PM UTC
I H8 WALLZClubberNugget July 13, 2015 at 6:07 PM UTC
Why does everyone want walls when you can have TDM? Its the same but better because you don't have to get items which is incredibly boring
So ultimately, it's a matter of opinion, because I like walls a lot more than TDM but others may have the opposite opinion
kycrafft July 13, 2015 at 7:07 PM UTC
Why does everyone want walls when you can have TDM? Its the same but better because you don't have to get items which is incredibly boring
Of all the games on Avicus, walls is the most dynamic. There is a large variety of aspects that can be taken advantage of (potions, enchantments, lava, skybases, traps, tnt). The games may not be as long as nebula but they will definitely be just as intense.
JDKL July 13, 2015 at 8:07 PM UTC
Having a tournament like this would be awesome! I agree with 2 teams rather than 4.Pelpelajax July 13, 2015 at 9:07 PM UTC
Mhm, we'll see. Other plans as of now.ProfessorUtonium July 13, 2015 at 10:07 PM UTC
Mhm, we'll see. Other plans as of now.
Upsoar July 14, 2015 at 3:07 AM UTC
I'd find a walls tourney more interesting that a TDM tourney.Dyspa July 14, 2015 at 4:07 AM UTC
I'd find a walls tourney more interesting that a TDM tourney.
ProfessorUtonium July 14, 2015 at 4:07 AM UTC
Walls nor TDM require any strats or tactics so it's basically the same thing, but, personally, I'd like to see TDM as the main theme for the next tourney cause I don't like walls at all.
1. lava/fire for pvp
2. You can place blocks (skybases/traps)
3. You have limited amount of items so your team needs to decide who gets what
TDM really doesn't have anything. Maybe just camping location
jjst because you don't like walls doesn't mean there shouldn't be a tournament for walls.
to me, I think it would be interesting to see this.
SWEET_Johny July 14, 2015 at 4:07 AM UTC
This would actually be really interesting, and I would definitely compete. Mods pl0x.Dyspa July 14, 2015 at 4:07 AM UTC
Walls DOES have strats and tactics
1. lava/fire for pvp
2. You can place blocks (skybases/traps)
3. You have limited amount of items so your team needs to decide who gets what
TDM really doesn't have anything. Maybe just camping location
jjst because you don't like walls doesn't mean there shouldn't be a tournament for walls.
to me, I think it would be interesting to see this.
Yet, you can't say TDM doesn't have anything. You still need to organize the team-pushes and what not, plus, working as a group during the match is an important factor as well.
I didn't disagree with a walls tournament just because I don't like it but that gamemode doesn't seem so important to me and I'd rather make just a mini-tourney with it.
ItzAidan July 19, 2015 at 6:07 AM UTC
4 squadrons, 3v3v3v3. Kits but custom kits, such as a kit with a stone axe, stone pickaxe, stone sword, and stone shovel.AstroPizza July 19, 2015 at 6:07 AM UTC
If it's tdm and you can place blocks i can see it perhaps working with some cool strats c: Even though personally i would love to see ctw.Vijf July 19, 2015 at 11:07 AM UTC
no TDM plz. We don't need to practice strategy on maps. All we need to do is pvp
kycrafft July 19, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
Wait, you are saying that you don't need tactics for TDM? So, I just need a team with Dualzz, DGB, TheTrail(however you write it), N3xt and all the other gods.
BmB July 19, 2015 at 8:07 PM UTC
Oh god no, please, no.jracer15 July 20, 2015 at 12:07 AM UTC
Walls players can put up with a TDM, why not Nebula players put up with a walls match :D I personally would like to see some of you guys try it, it would be something fresh and new. Go out your comfort zone for once :PGoodnighht July 20, 2015 at 1:07 AM UTC
I personally don't like DTM vey much, there's lots of tourney's for that. It's a matter of opinion, you DTM people get your tourney time, let us have ours. You can join, have fun if you want to, but there's no reason to completely hate the idea just because it's not as popular.ClubberNugget July 20, 2015 at 12:07 PM UTC
Us Officials aren't keen on hosting a Walls tournament.
jracer15 July 20, 2015 at 1:07 PM UTC
Us Officials aren't keen on hosting a Walls tournament.
I can't see why you guys won't cater to a part of your community because it seems like we're only being left out :(
Pelpelajax July 20, 2015 at 1:07 PM UTC
Talk about busting the hype train
I can't see why you guys won't cater to a part of your community because it seems like we're only being left out :(
Pelpelajax July 20, 2015 at 1:07 PM UTC
What's the complication that makes you not want to?
BmB July 20, 2015 at 1:07 PM UTC
The thing is with walls, and i know pelp already said it but their isn't a large enough player base for the community to support it and ,aking walls competitive would be very difficult. Also walls scrim servers? Walls bracket, even walls teams, it's just not a gamemode that is cut out for a tournament.ProfessorUtonium July 20, 2015 at 1:07 PM UTC
Right now, we sense that we need to focus on other gamemodes. I have never seen walls as a competitive gamemode, and that's what a tournament is all about. In addition, there are only a few that play it on a regular basis.
am funny
now back to y I replied. BUT ISN'T THAT THE POINT? To make walls more popular using a tournament?
Pelpelajax July 20, 2015 at 1:07 PM UTC
Yes! More Nebula tournaments! Just what the community needs! It's not like that gamemode is boring with stalematey maps and normal DTM/CTW/TDM maps with no pizzazz
am funny
now back to y I replied. BUT ISN'T THAT THE POINT? To make walls more popular using a tournament?
ProfessorUtonium July 20, 2015 at 1:07 PM UTC
Yes it is, but we already have things set up. In addition, with tournaments, we try to atract new players, I don't think new players will be queing up for a walls tournament.
Pelpelajax July 20, 2015 at 1:07 PM UTC
Did new players queue up for the DTM tournament?
ProfessorUtonium July 20, 2015 at 1:07 PM UTC
We had some new players, and in general DTM is more popular than walls. Stats suggest that.
Spoookeh July 20, 2015 at 1:07 PM UTC
We had some new players, and in general DTM is more popular than walls. Stats suggest that.
I think its a really good idea. +1
Pelpelajax July 20, 2015 at 1:07 PM UTC
Walls is the 2nd most played gamemode (usually 15-30 players online which is funny compared to DTM -_-) so why can't we revive this gamemode by showing what it really is for more players to actually play other gamemodes instead of the same gamemode every day. Some players are getting sick of the usual "DTM" on avicus. Might as well rename avicus "The DTM Server"
ProfessorUtonium July 20, 2015 at 1:07 PM UTC
Because there is more in other gamemodes. If we hadn't planned ahead, walls might have been an option, but we took the decision to start preparing something else already, however, nothing is confirmed. If the community does show more interest in a walls tournament, we might have to do some more thinking.
Pelpelajax July 20, 2015 at 1:07 PM UTC
More interest? There are 2 pages on this thread with players talking about how a walls tournament would be and how they would like to play a walls tournament. Yeah, more interest needed
ProfessorUtonium July 20, 2015 at 1:07 PM UTC
There is more to a community than just the forums.
Pelpelajax July 20, 2015 at 2:07 PM UTC
Why archive your post from before? (Stating that the officials aren't keen on making a walls tournament)
BoldAndBrash July 20, 2015 at 2:07 PM UTC
IMO, we really don't need another Nebula tourney. Nebula is the only game mode that always has at least 1 match open. We should try advertising other game modes like Walls and Nexus. If we make a tourney for lets say Walls, we could boost our player count not only for the server, but for the actually game mode, too.BmB July 20, 2015 at 2:07 PM UTC
Why archive your post from before? (Stating that the officials aren't keen on making a walls tournament)
Stop whining about not getting your walls tournament and either play in the next tournament or don't, who knows there might be a walls tourney sometime but you have to know when to give up kid.
BmB July 20, 2015 at 2:07 PM UTC
IMO, we really don't need another Nebula tourney. Nebula is the only game mode that always has at least 1 match open. We should try advertising other game modes like Walls and Nexus. If we make a tourney for lets say Walls, we could boost our player count not only for the server, but for the actually game mode, too.
What is the point in hosting a tournament to raise popularity for a game mode that is available in so many other places. None.
Numberz_ July 20, 2015 at 2:07 PM UTC
Maybe because you've knocked their confidence by being a little asshole. Maybe you want a walls tournament and maybe lots of people on this thread do. But even more don't want a walls tournament and actually the DTM tourney did attract new players. Only about half of the teams entered were all Avicus member teams anyway, look and you will see that many new players arrived for the tournament. The officials had already started organising what I believe is a TDM and CTH style tourney which once again will attract more players, TDM is also an overlooked gamemode on Avicus, it also is easily compatible with a tournament bracket and scrim servers and everything else that comes with it.
Stop whining about not getting your walls tournament and either play in the next tournament or don't, who knows there might be a walls tourney sometime but you have to know when to give up kid.
Anyway we already had a DTM tourney I think walls should be next bring some more life to that gamemode its really needed.
BoldAndBrash July 20, 2015 at 2:07 PM UTC
But maybe, if it hasn't occured to you, the reason there is always a nebula game in progress is because people enjoy that gamemode and not the Walls. Therefore making a tournament that will annoy most of the community who would be involved in a tournament what do you achieve? Whereas a nebula or TDM tournament, which people already want to play and that will still attract new players is probably a better idea.
What is the point in hosting a tournament to raise popularity for a game mode that is available in so many other places. None.
Vijf July 20, 2015 at 2:07 PM UTC
With your attitude you'll be lucky if you can play the next tournament.
Anyway we already had a DTM tourney I think walls should be next bring some more life to that gamemode its really needed.
ProfessorUtonium July 20, 2015 at 2:07 PM UTC
then hold a mini event or something not a Tournament.
1. Can't play public matches or players not playing in the event will join
2. can't play on normal servers because we don't have YML/map/plugin
3. Can't play on Mapdev because of #1 and it's illegal (you can only test maps)
jracer15 July 20, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
Lmao, this seems a little childish, why can't we cater to everyone? I don't understand how a little more variety is a bad thing.Walls is the second most played gamemode on Avicus so its not its not played. There are so many other game modes that aren't even played on Avicus so why not try to revive it? If you really don't like walls then don't do the tournament.
It would be something nice for those who play it. It seems when you say "see the community interest" or only asking hardcore Nebula players. Hell, even some Nebula players are interested in the idea!
BmB July 20, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
With your attitude you'll be lucky if you can play the next tournament.
Anyway we already had a DTM tourney I think walls should be next bring some more life to that gamemode its really needed.
but anyway i wasn't suggesting another DTM i was suggesting a TDM/CTH tourney. Incorporating Nexus, CTH and Nebula all into one tournament and overall pleasing more members of the community.
The short story is that Walls has a small player base and that's the way it's gonna stay and no tournament is going to really change that.
I'm pretty sure legoche made the post suggesting a walls tournament for the fun of it, not so that a load of people could scream and cry about needing a walls tournament so that the minority is happy, all seems a bit selfish to me.
Fouled July 20, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
Who says that walls can't be a tournament after the next one?
The title of the thread obviously states that walls should be a "future" tournament, so perhaps after the next tournament it will happen. But that's just my way of looking at it.
BmB July 20, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
And how would you do that?
1. Can't play public matches or players not playing in the event will join
2. can't play on normal servers because we don't have YML/map/plugin
3. Can't play on Mapdev because of #1 and it's illegal (you can only test maps)
Okiba July 20, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
Who says that walls can't be a tournament after the next one?
The title of the thread obviously states that walls should be a "future" tournament, so perhaps after the next tournament it will happen. But that's just my way of looking at it.
BmB July 20, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
giant walls tourney!!1!1!1!! 40v40v40v40? :P or decrease the numbers to 20v20v20v20
ProfessorUtonium July 20, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
A player could take it upon themselves to host one? Or you could ask the staff if they could let you use an official server or mapdev to host a mini event. I'm sure they would co-operate.
Vijf July 20, 2015 at 4:07 PM UTC
And how would you do that?
1. Can't play public matches or players not playing in the event will join
2. can't play on normal servers because we don't have YML/map/plugin
3. Can't play on Mapdev because of #1 and it's illegal (you can only test maps)
BoldAndBrash July 20, 2015 at 6:07 PM UTC
Coming from you,
but anyway i wasn't suggesting another DTM i was suggesting a TDM/CTH tourney. Incorporating Nexus, CTH and Nebula all into one tournament and overall pleasing more members of the community.
The short story is that Walls has a small player base and that's the way it's gonna stay and no tournament is going to really change that.
I'm pretty sure legoche made the post suggesting a walls tournament for the fun of it, not so that a load of people could scream and cry about needing a walls tournament so that the minority is happy, all seems a bit selfish to me.
Legoche July 20, 2015 at 6:07 PM UTC
The Walls isn't the "minority." Last time I checked, it's the second most popular game on Avicus.
BmB July 20, 2015 at 9:07 PM UTC
I agree with you. People play walls, but nobody knows because everyone plays DTM.
And actually walls is the minority compared to nebula, there isn't any denying it.
pope_panda July 20, 2015 at 9:07 PM UTC
The Walls isn't the "minority." Last time I checked, it's the second most popular game on Avicus.
jracer15 July 20, 2015 at 10:07 PM UTC
That sentence made no sense, read it, you contradicted yourself.
And actually walls is the minority compared to nebula, there isn't any denying it.
OriginaI July 20, 2015 at 10:07 PM UTC
I would loveeeee this, get the old team back <3DaGoldBrick July 21, 2015 at 12:07 AM UTC
Walls is the 2nd most played gamemode (usually 15-30 players online which is funny compared to DTM -_-) so why can't we revive this gamemode by showing what it really is for more players to actually play other gamemodes instead of the same gamemode every day. Some players are getting sick of the usual "DTM" on avicus. Might as well rename avicus "The DTM Server"
BoldAndBrash July 21, 2015 at 12:07 AM UTC
It's a fucking joke that you think walls should be the next tournament.
jracer15 July 21, 2015 at 12:07 AM UTC
It's a fucking joke that you think walls should be the next tournament.
NolanDalton July 21, 2015 at 1:07 AM UTC
Why don't we build on others ideas rather than starting a flame war? That could work.BoldAndBrash July 21, 2015 at 1:07 AM UTC
Why don't we build on others ideas rather than starting a flame war? That could work.
DaGoldBrick July 21, 2015 at 2:07 AM UTC
Ya, cause it seems just because someone doesn't like the gamemode it means no one else should have the tournament. There is a whole other part of Avicus then just Nebula you know and they have been wishing for this for ages.
but let's be real here, pel already explained a tournament should be competitive and somewhat skill based. Randomly finding spots of iron and right clicking on chests isn't exactly competitive as a team based tournament/event. Not to mention, for some reason you think having a walls tournament will do anything positive for the gamemode, when really, it won't. For the nebula tourney, there was a struggle for teams to even get a spot after 16 teams (which by itself isn't even that much), and I'll be extremely surprised if more than 16 teams will even give a fuck about a walls tourney (avicus is known for nebula). A TDM would also be a good idea because again, it's actually skill based. Walls is literally just who can tower the highest or who can get the most lucky with finding iron etc.
It's a joke.
BoldAndBrash July 21, 2015 at 2:07 AM UTC
Na, cause you got it wrong. I don't mind walls at all, in fact I quite like it.
but let's be real here, pel already explained a tournament should be competitive and somewhat skill based. Randomly finding spots of iron and right clicking on chests isn't exactly competitive as a team based tournament/event. Not to mention, for some reason you think having a walls tournament will do anything positive for the gamemode, when really, it won't. For the nebula tourney, there was a struggle for teams to even get a spot after 16 teams (which by itself isn't even that much), and I'll be extremely surprised if more than 16 teams will even give a fuck about a walls tourney (avicus is known for nebula). A TDM would also be a good idea because again, it's actually skill based. Walls is literally just who can tower the highest or who can get the most lucky with finding iron etc.
It's a joke.
kycrafft July 21, 2015 at 2:07 AM UTC
Na, cause you got it wrong. I don't mind walls at all, in fact I quite like it.
but let's be real here, pel already explained a tournament should be competitive and somewhat skill based. Randomly finding spots of iron and right clicking on chests isn't exactly competitive as a team based tournament/event. Not to mention, for some reason you think having a walls tournament will do anything positive for the gamemode, when really, it won't. For the nebula tourney, there was a struggle for teams to even get a spot after 16 teams (which by itself isn't even that much), and I'll be extremely surprised if more than 16 teams will even give a fuck about a walls tourney (avicus is known for nebula). A TDM would also be a good idea because again, it's actually skill based. Walls is literally just who can tower the highest or who can get the most lucky with finding iron etc.
It's a joke.
Just like 90% of the teams actually having a chance in TDM
ClubberNugget July 21, 2015 at 3:07 AM UTC
Na, cause you got it wrong. I don't mind walls at all, in fact I quite like it.
but let's be real here, pel already explained a tournament should be competitive and somewhat skill based. Randomly finding spots of iron and right clicking on chests isn't exactly competitive as a team based tournament/event. Not to mention, for some reason you think having a walls tournament will do anything positive for the gamemode, when really, it won't. For the nebula tourney, there was a struggle for teams to even get a spot after 16 teams (which by itself isn't even that much), and I'll be extremely surprised if more than 16 teams will even give a fuck about a walls tourney (avicus is known for nebula). A TDM would also be a good idea because again, it's actually skill based. Walls is literally just who can tower the highest or who can get the most lucky with finding iron etc.
It's a joke.
Now if they are new maps, that's a different story, but you can still practice the new ones on practice servers
badgg July 21, 2015 at 10:07 AM UTC
Here is my take on this particular ideaWalls may be fun, sure. I enjoy playing it whenever I don't feel like playing PvP based gamemodes. Actually, that pretty much backups the argument that "Walls isn't skill based". Instead, it's knowledge based - in the sense that the player with the most knowledge about the item locations will most likely end up winning; no matter their actual ability to sword fight or archer. Which is exactly why new players enjoy walls. They don't feel the need to play competitively.
Additionally, TDM is actually more than just PvP engagements. Think about the team work that could be involved and how teams lock down choke points. Let me tell you this... a team can end up victorious even against the most strongest opponents if they play the gamemode/map well. In walls, it's not like that. You spend X amount of time gathering items - some of which are OP - and abuse that to rush teams (essentially cheap wins).
@BowSpamNoob:
"...a skill needed in walls is knowing the map and it's secrets."
I'm sure I'm not the only one... but I don't want teams winning purely off their map experience.
Spoookeh July 21, 2015 at 12:07 PM UTC
Na, cause you got it wrong. I don't mind walls at all, in fact I quite like it.
but let's be real here, pel already explained a tournament should be competitive and somewhat skill based. Randomly finding spots of iron and right clicking on chests isn't exactly competitive as a team based tournament/event. Not to mention, for some reason you think having a walls tournament will do anything positive for the gamemode, when really, it won't. For the nebula tourney, there was a struggle for teams to even get a spot after 16 teams (which by itself isn't even that much), and I'll be extremely surprised if more than 16 teams will even give a fuck about a walls tourney (avicus is known for nebula). A TDM would also be a good idea because again, it's actually skill based. Walls is literally just who can tower the highest or who can get the most lucky with finding iron etc.
It's a joke.
Why, instead of saying no at first glance, don't we look more into it and see if it's a good idea. We can't just be having DTM, CTW and TDM tourneys the whole time.
A walls tournament would be so interesting, and why would teams not apply? It's a chance to win a tourney and you might as well have a go.
Also, the only skills involved in walls aren't just randomly finding a pocket of iron or right clicking chests. Teams would have to strategise and use tactics to win.
I, as said before, think this is a great idea.
BmB July 21, 2015 at 12:07 PM UTC
"It's a joke"
Why, instead of saying no at first glance, don't we look more into it and see if it's a good idea. We can't just be having DTM, CTW and TDM tourneys the whole time.
A walls tournament would be so interesting, and why would teams not apply? It's a chance to win a tourney and you might as well have a go.
Also, the only skills involved in walls aren't just randomly finding a pocket of iron or right clicking chests. Teams would have to strategise and use tactics to win.
I, as said before, think this is a great idea.
We haven't had a TDM or CTW tourney yet so.....
Teams wouldn't apply because nobody outside of this forums post cares about having a walls tourney, whereas we attracted lots of new players for the DTM tourney.
People are saying that most walls players aren't on the forums, well it's the same for nebula players and not only that if most walls players are off the forums they aren't going to know about the tournament anyway.
BmB July 21, 2015 at 12:07 PM UTC
"It's a joke"
Just like 90% of the teams actually having a chance in TDM
BoldAndBrash July 21, 2015 at 1:07 PM UTC
Strategies like what? The only skill in the walls is being able to memorise the entire map.
We haven't had a TDM or CTW tourney yet so.....
Teams wouldn't apply because nobody outside of this forums post cares about having a walls tourney, whereas we attracted lots of new players for the DTM tourney.
People are saying that most walls players aren't on the forums, well it's the same for nebula players and not only that if most walls players are off the forums they aren't going to know about the tournament anyway.
Pelpelajax July 21, 2015 at 1:07 PM UTC
The tournament didn't attract new players. We still have an average of like 120 people on.
ProfessorUtonium July 21, 2015 at 1:07 PM UTC
We need to advertise it better.
Pelpelajax July 21, 2015 at 1:07 PM UTC
Maybe officials should get access to the broadcasting system to send global messages to all servers?
jracer15 July 21, 2015 at 1:07 PM UTC
Strategies like what? The only skill in the walls is being able to memorise the entire map.
We haven't had a TDM or CTW tourney yet so.....
Teams wouldn't apply because nobody outside of this forums post cares about having a walls tourney, whereas we attracted lots of new players for the DTM tourney.
People are saying that most walls players aren't on the forums, well it's the same for nebula players and not only that if most walls players are off the forums they aren't going to know about the tournament anyway.
There is TONS of strategies. Remember, in walls your more open to what you can do in that game. You could make traps, Rush teams that are still mining, I know that Murph has this one srat where she crouches and her team mate doesn't. So when someone runs in thinking its there fighting just one they are surprised to find more in there. In Tetris, the bow in the middle in the sky so people have the strat to make a small base the build over there.
I wouldn't say Walls isn't competitive but isn't so dependent on some pvp skills. I think you guys underestimate how much fun a Walls match can really be. And it could always just be a mini tourney where you don't need 16 teams. I'm just saying, there is a whole group of people on Avicus who feel ignored since the majority play Nebula, but there are other game modes that aren't even played on the server, so why not try something new for once?
ClubberNugget July 21, 2015 at 1:07 PM UTC
Here is my take on this particular idea
Walls may be fun, sure. I enjoy playing it whenever I don't feel like playing PvP based gamemodes. Actually, that pretty much backups the argument that "Walls isn't skill based". Instead, it's knowledge based - in the sense that the player with the most knowledge about the item locations will most likely end up winning; no matter their actual ability to sword fight or archer. Which is exactly why new players enjoy walls. They don't feel the need to play competitively.
Additionally, TDM is actually more than just PvP engagements. Think about the team work that could be involved and how teams lock down choke points. Let me tell you this... a team can end up victorious even against the most strongest opponents if they play the gamemode/map well. In walls, it's not like that. You spend X amount of time gathering items - some of which are OP - and abuse that to rush teams (essentially cheap wins).
@BowSpamNoob:
"...a skill needed in walls is knowing the map and it's secrets."
I'm sure I'm not the only one... but I don't want teams winning purely off their map experience.
I don't know about everyone else, but when I was new on the server, I hated walls, because I was bad at pvp and I didn't want to wait 10 minutes just to get killed right away, so I joined elimination to get better at my pvp, so I don't really follow your statement
And plus, your basing this off normal walls matches, ones with a mix of noobs, people not trying, ok players and the experienced ones, have you ever seen a match when every team is compiled of top notch players? It doesn't happen often, but it's a crazy game with lots of skills involved
Then study the maps, if they know more than you, your at fault, you can always download the maps and search them through, you assume that one team will know it all but a lot of walls regulars know secrets
badgg July 21, 2015 at 1:07 PM UTC
Although games can go that way, there are also rounds where two different teams know where the items are, then it's skill based, how to approach this opposing team, whose better at pvp, who can outwit the other, it's definitely skill
I don't know about everyone else, but when I was new on the server, I hated walls, because I was bad at pvp and I didn't want to wait 10 minutes just to get killed right away, so I joined elimination to get better at my pvp, so I don't really follow your statement
And plus, your basing this off normal walls matches, ones with a mix of noobs, people not trying, ok players and the experienced ones, have you ever seen a match when every team is compiled of top notch players? It doesn't happen often, but it's a crazy game with lots of skills involved
Then study the maps, if they know more than you, your at fault, you can always download the maps and search them through, you assume that one team will know it all but a lot of walls regulars know secrets
You are contradicting yourself with your second statement. More reason why we Officials aren't keen on doing so.
No I'm no basing my reason off public matches. I've been in many elitist walls matches, thank you very much.
Study the maps? Yeah sure, that's easy. That is exactly why I am so opposed to hosting a walls tournament. Once a map is mastered, it gets so easy. When you think about it, walls is also quite restricted. What do you do knce you have all the items? Sit and wait? It's repetitive and doesn't match the variety of gamestyles like tdm, ctw and dtm have.
See, us Officials want to host a walls tournament... so it seems... but we have other plans on our minds ATM.
Certainly, it could be a mini event in the future, but not right now.
BmB July 21, 2015 at 2:07 PM UTC
Lol, people who play walls who aren't on forums said they would join the forums just to be apart of the tournament. And plus, why not advertise a tournament is happening on the server. Idk if you do, I assume you do.
There is TONS of strategies. Remember, in walls your more open to what you can do in that game. You could make traps, Rush teams that are still mining, I know that Murph has this one srat where she crouches and her team mate doesn't. So when someone runs in thinking its there fighting just one they are surprised to find more in there. In Tetris, the bow in the middle in the sky so people have the strat to make a small base the build over there.
I wouldn't say Walls isn't competitive but isn't so dependent on some pvp skills. I think you guys underestimate how much fun a Walls match can really be. And it could always just be a mini tourney where you don't need 16 teams. I'm just saying, there is a whole group of people on Avicus who feel ignored since the majority play Nebula, but there are other game modes that aren't even played on the server, so why not try something new for once?
Lets face it walls attracts barely any players, at most 50 people on the server would enjoy a walls tournament. Oh wait that makes up 4 teams.
All these strats aren't exactly complicated or advanced in fact they are simple, i'm not denying walls can't be fun, it actually is quite a lot of fun but it's just not a game mode that is cut out to be played competitively.
If you have followed what i have been saying a Conquer style tournament would be great. It includes TDM from nebula and obviously nexus is also TDM and if there a maps with capture points it also incorporates CTH. 3 gamemode in 1 tournament, try and argue that walls would still be a better idea i dare you/
16 teams isn't a large tournament anyway, infact it is quite a small tournament and as mentioned before walls could only really pull 4 competitive teams.
Your arguments are flawed and there is no way of denying that walls isn't a good game mode for a tournament.
BmB July 21, 2015 at 2:07 PM UTC
Also keep in mind with all this discussion you are probably delaying the tournament officials are currently working on.kycrafft July 21, 2015 at 2:07 PM UTC
That made no sense.
I don't care what gamemode the next tournament is but please give it some more thought before you make it TDM
badgg July 21, 2015 at 2:07 PM UTC
Think about it, a TDM tournament will likely have 2-3 teams cut above the rest, with the others really not having much of a chance. At least in DTM you can compensate better for a lack of PVP skill with tactics.
I don't care what gamemode the next tournament is but please give it some more thought before you make it TDM
JS :)
Goodnighht July 21, 2015 at 2:07 PM UTC
Maybe because you've knocked their confidence by being a little asshole. Maybe you want a walls tournament and maybe lots of people on this thread do. But even more don't want a walls tournament and actually the DTM tourney did attract new players. Only about half of the teams entered were all Avicus member teams anyway, look and you will see that many new players arrived for the tournament. The officials had already started organising what I believe is a TDM and CTH style tourney which once again will attract more players, TDM is also an overlooked gamemode on Avicus, it also is easily compatible with a tournament bracket and scrim servers and everything else that comes with it.
Stop whining about not getting your walls tournament and either play in the next tournament or don't, who knows there might be a walls tourney sometime but you have to know when to give up kid.
ClubberNugget July 21, 2015 at 2:07 PM UTC
Your first statement... I fail to comprehend what you mean.
You are contradicting yourself with your second statement. More reason why we Officials aren't keen on doing so.
No I'm no basing my reason off public matches. I've been in many elitist walls matches, thank you very much.
Study the maps? Yeah sure, that's easy. That is exactly why I am so opposed to hosting a walls tournament. Once a map is mastered, it gets so easy. When you think about it, walls is also quite restricted. What do you do knce you have all the items? Sit and wait? It's repetitive and doesn't match the variety of gamestyles like tdm, ctw and dtm have.
See, us Officials want to host a walls tournament... so it seems... but we have other plans on our minds ATM.
Certainly, it could be a mini event in the future, but not right now.
But if they are competitive teams, if they die right after the ten minutes, that's their fault, they lost.
Ok, i didn't know that, but we are talking about a tournament here, people wont be slacking off and messing around, they'll be trying to win, so walls not being competitive is irrelevant because the tournament will be competitive.
Well you can build traps during that time, build a base, you also have to split out who gets what secrets items, like: who gets the diamond chest plate, who gets the special sword, all that. Different maps have completely different varieties, playing a match on Overworld isn't anywhere near the same as playing a match on Neirus, Vanilla or Tetris Swamp or many other maps
Ok if you already have another planned, go ahead, its your place to choose not mine, i am just trying to say a walls tourney isn't a bad idea
personally id prefer a four team walls tourney compiled of rather two man teams or three man teams
Goodnighht July 21, 2015 at 2:07 PM UTC
That sentence made no sense, read it, you contradicted yourself.
And actually walls is the minority compared to nebula, there isn't any denying it.
If you don't like the idea, then just stay out of the tournament. You have TDM tourney's all the time, why can't we have some fun? Plus, FlyHacks rarely plays walls, and he's still supporting it as much as any walls player would. Walls is fun, it may not be 'your type of game' but that doesn't mean that we can't have one. And at this point, I'd be a little frustrated if there was another TDM tourney. So please, if you don't like the idea, just just stay out of the conversation.
"walls is in the minority" How would you know that if you only play TDM. You can't. Walls is fun to some people, if you don't like the game, then you don't have to play. You're not being forced to... Just stop...
Pelpelajax July 21, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
I'll spill the beans. Walls will not be a game mode for the next tournament. But don't worry, it will happen sooner or later.FrozenSolstice July 21, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
I'll spill the beans. Walls will not be a game mode for the next tournament. But don't worry, it will happen sooner or later.
BoldAndBrash July 21, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
I'll spill the beans. Walls will not be a game mode for the next tournament. But don't worry, it will happen sooner or later.
Anyways, looking forward to the tourneys!
ProfessorUtonium July 21, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
At least we'll have it someday, haha. :)
Anyways, looking forward to the tourneys!
>:(
Pelpelajax July 21, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
I'd rather replay the omega tournament with the same maps and plugin and same rules than play a TDM
>:(
Robin_DD_J July 21, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
TDM is the shit mate, let's gooooDaGoldBrick July 21, 2015 at 3:07 PM UTC
"It's a joke"
Why, instead of saying no at first glance, don't we look more into it and see if it's a good idea. We can't just be having DTM, CTW and TDM tourneys the whole time.
A walls tournament would be so interesting, and why would teams not apply? It's a chance to win a tourney and you might as well have a go.
Also, the only skills involved in walls aren't just randomly finding a pocket of iron or right clicking chests. Teams would have to strategise and use tactics to win.
I, as said before, think this is a great idea.
I only say people who are "veterans" would carry their team because they've dealt with the same old strategies over and over again, time and time again, making it simply seem like them eating a sandwich. The only extra strategies walls adds out of the ordinary TDM is towering and tunneling/trapping.
It's a joke. All of you who are saying that strategies in walls would add skill don't know what you're talking about at all.
jracer15 July 21, 2015 at 4:07 PM UTC
I'll spill the beans. Walls will not be a game mode for the next tournament. But don't worry, it will happen sooner or later.
Spoookeh July 21, 2015 at 4:07 PM UTC
Strategies like what? The only skill in the walls is being able to memorise the entire map.
We haven't had a TDM or CTW tourney yet so.....
Teams wouldn't apply because nobody outside of this forums post cares about having a walls tourney, whereas we attracted lots of new players for the DTM tourney.
People are saying that most walls players aren't on the forums, well it's the same for nebula players and not only that if most walls players are off the forums they aren't going to know about the tournament anyway.
Spoookeh July 21, 2015 at 4:07 PM UTC
You really think strategies work in walls? If you're up against a player who actually knows what the fuck they're doing, you stand no chance. Ever played MCPVP HG? Well I did for the latter part of 3+ years, it's extremely similar to walls in a sense, except with 1 addition which added skill into the game, soups. If you took soups out it would make it a non-competitive gamemode, and that's exactly what happened, it died. Not to mention, if you get any veteran player for walls or even HG, they would crush 'strategies' without even thinking about them (I only mention HG because it was really intense AND skill based, mixed with as you say, strategies). Like seriously, anyone who's a veteran playing walls or HG would just come in and carry the living fuck out of their team, so in that case you might as well just make it a 1v1v1v1 or some shit. Tactics wouldn't work for shit against me, I know this one for a fact (considering I would try to win), because many people used to do the same on a larger skill based server in teams and such, and it was seen as a gimmick to strategise. Walls is like a more lucky version of TDM.
I only say people who are "veterans" would carry their team because they've dealt with the same old strategies over and over again, time and time again, making it simply seem like them eating a sandwich. The only extra strategies walls adds out of the ordinary TDM is towering and tunneling/trapping.
It's a joke. All of you who are saying that strategies in walls would add skill don't know what you're talking about at all.
So let's say there is one of your 'veterans' who 'can't be beaten'. The other team would strategise and all move together to target that person, therefore the rest of the team can't be 'carried'.
Then lets say I've been playing walls for years and know every tactic and practically win every match. It comes down to me and one last guy and that person is better at pvp than me. I'm just sprinting through one of the quadrants and the other guy comes out to 1v1 me. He wins.
Strategies do come into play in every game mode and you can't say they don't.
DaGoldBrick July 21, 2015 at 4:07 PM UTC
Oh, so I have no clue what I'm talking about then? Ok.
So let's say there is one of your 'veterans' who 'can't be beaten'. The other team would strategise and all move together to target that person, therefore the rest of the team can't be 'carried'.
Then lets say I've been playing walls for years and know every tactic and practically win every match. It comes down to me and one last guy and that person is better at pvp than me. I'm just sprinting through one of the quadrants and the other guy comes out to 1v1 me. He wins.
Strategies do come into play in every game mode and you can't say they don't.
Spoookeh July 21, 2015 at 4:07 PM UTC
How would the other team know that the guy/girl is a veteran? Also if they target that 1 player, the rest of the team can just gank the team in the back, and that's not even a walls based strategy as I said, that's a TDM based one lol. I don't even know what you're trying to prove by your 2nd point.
That because there is 1 person from the other team who is a veteran and amazing at walls that doesn't mean you've automatically lost.
Ending this now will probably be for the best. I personally think that a Walls tournament is a great idea. Others have their different opinions.
kycrafft July 21, 2015 at 5:07 PM UTC
You really think strategies work in walls? If you're up against a player who actually knows what the fuck they're doing, you stand no chance. Ever played MCPVP HG? Well I did for the latter part of 3+ years, it's extremely similar to walls in a sense, except with 1 addition which added skill into the game, soups. If you took soups out it would make it a non-competitive gamemode, and that's exactly what happened, it died. Not to mention, if you get any veteran player for walls or even HG, they would crush 'strategies' without even thinking about them (I only mention HG because it was really intense AND skill based, mixed with as you say, strategies). Like seriously, anyone who's a veteran playing walls or HG would just come in and carry the living fuck out of their team, so in that case you might as well just make it a 1v1v1v1 or some shit. Tactics wouldn't work for shit against me, I know this one for a fact (considering I would try to win), because many people used to do the same on a larger skill based server in teams and such, and it was seen as a gimmick to strategise. Walls is like a more lucky version of TDM.
I only say people who are "veterans" would carry their team because they've dealt with the same old strategies over and over again, time and time again, making it simply seem like them eating a sandwich. The only extra strategies walls adds out of the ordinary TDM is towering and tunneling/trapping.
It's a joke. All of you who are saying that strategies in walls would add skill don't know what you're talking about at all.
I miss getting 2v1'ed in HG
BmB July 21, 2015 at 10:07 PM UTC
If you don't like the idea, then just stay out of the tournament. You have TDM tourney's all the time, why can't we have some fun? Plus, FlyHacks rarely plays walls, and he's still supporting it as much as any walls player would. Walls is fun, it may not be 'your type of game' but that doesn't mean that we can't have one. And at this point, I'd be a little frustrated if there was another TDM tourney. So please, if you don't like the idea, just just stay out of the conversation.
"walls is in the minority" How would you know that if you only play TDM. You can't. Walls is fun to some people, if you don't like the game, then you don't have to play. You're not being forced to... Just stop...
1: we have never had a TDM tourney before
2. Walls is a minority, you don't need to play it to know that, you can just check the player count.
3. Your argument literally had no valid points, I could literally copy and paste your argument and replace walls with TDM/CTH and it would serve the same purpose. Clearly I don't want a walls tournament and clearly you don't want a TDM tournament.
Please read what you write before posting it.
BmB July 21, 2015 at 11:07 PM UTC
What new players? I haven't seen a rise in player count since the tourney. And why would teams not apply? It's a good chance to win a tournament...
AV and not only that if a Nebula tourney, AV's most popular game mode didn't cause a player rise then a Walls tourney ain't either.
ClubberNugget July 22, 2015 at 2:07 AM UTC
Are you stupid? Like seriously:
1: we have never had a TDM tourney before
2. Walls is a minority, you don't need to play it to know that, you can just check the player count.
3. Your argument literally had no valid points, I could literally copy and paste your argument and replace walls with TDM/CTH and it would serve the same purpose. Clearly I don't want a walls tournament and clearly you don't want a TDM tournament.
Please read what you write before posting it.
Calling him stupid is kind of uncalled for, and it wont help make a point :/
ProfessorUtonium July 22, 2015 at 2:07 AM UTC
I think hes mixed up and un updated, i think he meant DTM.
Calling him stupid is kind of uncalled for, and it wont help make a point :/
these players always calling players out for "stupidity" or "being an idiot"
some players can't take fucking opinions
DaGoldBrick July 22, 2015 at 3:07 AM UTC
That because there is 1 person from the other team who is a veteran and amazing at walls that doesn't mean you've automatically lost.
Ending this now will probably be for the best. I personally think that a Walls tournament is a great idea. Others have their different opinions.
jracer15 July 22, 2015 at 3:07 AM UTC
Are you stupid? Like seriously:
1: we have never had a TDM tourney before
2. Walls is a minority, you don't need to play it to know that, you can just check the player count.
3. Your argument literally had no valid points, I could literally copy and paste your argument and replace walls with TDM/CTH and it would serve the same purpose. Clearly I don't want a walls tournament and clearly you don't want a TDM tournament.
Please read what you write before posting it.
Numberz_ July 22, 2015 at 9:07 AM UTC
Okay, so my opinion on this whole topic. I personally think that the next tournament should not be TDM, due to the fact it doesn’t involve much strategies. You can say “holding choke points” is a strategy but it isn’t really because depending on the type of TDM it wouldn’t work, since most of the maps would be 1 hit or have protection not allowing players to place blocks. If officials already have something in the works for the next tournament please for the love of god make it DTM or CTW, something that actually has a ton of teamwork and planning needed. I talked to one official that is completely against the idea of a TDM tournament because it would be extremely unfair to some teams, when you have to play against PvP based teams like BC and Impact. Even look at this topic, two of the players that really want a TDM tournament are probably two of the best PvPers in Minecraft.
Also I’m 100% for the idea of a Walls tournament or mini
event, heck I would even host it myself. Although I don’t think it could work
on the same size of a scale as the Omega Championship simply because most Walls
players don’t have forum accounts or access to TS3. I’ve talked to couple
officials some that are completely for this idea because of how unique it is. I'm not saying this event needs to happen very soon, I just think it should sometime in the near future.
@BmB Just want to comment on a few of the things you’ve said on this topic.
“Lets face it walls attracts barely any players, at most 50 people on the server would enjoy a walls tournament. Oh wait that makes up 4 teams. “
Wouldn’t that be the point of this event to get more players playing Walls? I’m sure if this was announced a bunch of teams that played in the Nebula tournament would play in this one. Berzerk and Apollo would most likely play that’s already 42 players; most other teams would join just for the chance of playing/winning.
“Your argument literally had no valid points, I could literally copy and paste your argument and replace walls with TDM/CTH and it would serve the same purpose. “
Walls is nothing like TDM or CTH, you don’t need to actually strategize in those gamemodes, it’s something good PvPers are automatically good at. In Walls you need to work as a team gather enough armour and gear within the 10 minute prep time. It gives you more chance for teamwork, sharing with teammates, building traps, creating distractions or just simply a full on team rush.
“Clearly I don't want a walls tournament and clearly you don't want a TDM tournament. “
I know that both the above comments were directed towards Jracer, but I think it applies for anyone on this topic. I personally don’t care, I just want something different. Something with a twist that isn’t just straight PvP or objective rushing.
Sorry for my shity grammar and spelling, hopefully some of my points are somewhat understandable.
samthemenace July 22, 2015 at 9:07 AM UTC
Walls wouldn't work, only a few people wound play and it wouldn't make a good tournament. Barely anyone plays it. saying that its a hell of alot more than the other gamemodes that usually have 0. Having a wall tournament would mean that you would have to have walls teams, because the scrim teams are clearly too big. If avicus gains a bit more popularity in the future (which they need to do because there dropping), and there is a walls playerbase similar in size to the nebula one, it would be a great idea.Only DTM and CTW have the gameplay and tactics to make a good tourney at the moment.
A survival games tourney would be better because you wouldnt have to sort out teams, you would register a nice number of people and allocate them times to go.
BmB July 22, 2015 at 9:07 AM UTC
Okay, so my opinion on this whole topic. I personally think that the next tournament should not be TDM, due to the fact it doesn’t involve much strategies. You can say “holding choke points” is a strategy but it isn’t really because depending on the type of TDM it wouldn’t work, since most of the maps would be 1 hit or have protection not allowing players to place blocks. If officials already have something in the works for the next tournament please for the love of god make it DTM or CTW, something that actually has a ton of teamwork and planning needed. I talked to one official that is completely against the idea of a TDM tournament because it would be extremely unfair to some teams, when you have to play against PvP based teams like BC and Impact. Even look at this topic, two of the players that really want a TDM tournament are probably two of the best PvPers in Minecraft.
Also I’m 100% for the idea of a Walls tournament or mini event, heck I would even host it myself. Although I don’t think it could work on the same size of a scale as the Omega Championship simply because most Walls players don’t have forum accounts or access to TS3. I’ve talked to couple officials some that are completely for this idea because of how unique it is. I'm not saying this event needs to happen very soon, I just think it should sometime in the near future.
@BmB Just want to comment on a few of the things you’ve said on this topic.
“Lets face it walls attracts barely any players, at most 50 people on the server would enjoy a walls tournament. Oh wait that makes up 4 teams. “
Wouldn’t that be the point of this event to get more players playing Walls? I’m sure if this was announced a bunch of teams that played in the Nebula tournament would play in this one. Berzerk and Apollo would most likely play that’s already 42 players; most other teams would join just for the chance of playing/winning.
“Your argument literally had no valid points, I could literally copy and paste your argument and replace walls with TDM/CTH and it would serve the same purpose. “
Walls is nothing like TDM or CTH, you don’t need to actually strategize in those gamemodes, it’s something good PvPers are automatically good at. In Walls you need to work as a team gather enough armour and gear within the 10 minute prep time. It gives you more chance for teamwork, sharing with teammates, building traps, creating distractions or just simply a full on team rush.
“Clearly I don't want a walls tournament and clearly you don't want a TDM tournament. “
I know that both the above comments were directed towards Jracer, but I think it applies for anyone on this topic. I personally don’t care, I just want something different. Something with a twist that isn’t just straight PvP or objective rushing.
Sorry for my shity grammar and spelling, hopefully some of my points are somewhat understandable.
No tournament will include 1 hit maps.
Also to prove a point about me being able to use his argument:
If you don't like the idea, then just stay out of the tournament. You have lots of walls servers that are always available. Why can't we have some fun? Plus, I rarely plays TDM and CTH, and i'm still supporting it as much as any TDM and CTH player would. TDM and CTH is fun, it may not be 'your type of game' but that doesn't mean that we can't have one. And at this point, I'd be a little frustrated if there was a walls tourney. So please, if you don't like the idea, just just stay out of the conversation.
Oh look, it worked. Michah's entire argument just with some words changed. What a suprise.
Numberz_ July 22, 2015 at 9:07 AM UTC
Walls wouldn't work, only a few people wound play and it wouldn't make a good tournament. Barely anyone plays it. saying that its a hell of alot more than the other gamemodes that usually have 0. Having a wall tournament would mean that you would have to have walls teams, because the scrim teams are clearly too big. If avicus gains a bit more popularity in the future (which they need to do because there dropping), and there is a walls playerbase similar in size to the nebula one, it would be a great idea.
Only DTM and CTW have the gameplay and tactics to make a good tourney at the moment.
A survival games tourney would be better because you wouldnt have to sort out teams, you would register a nice number of people and allocate them times to go.
2. Nope, as I said above Walls also has tactics.
3. That idea could never work because it has nothing to do with teams at all. You're missing the point of this topic these tournaments are suppose to be team based, not a huge SG with 100 people...
BmB July 22, 2015 at 9:07 AM UTC
1. That's the whole point of a tournament is to make gamemodes more popular.
2. Nope, as I said above Walls also has tactics.
3. That idea could never work because it has nothing to do with teams at all. You're missing the point of this topic these tournaments are suppose to be team based, not a huge SG with 100 people...
2. Not really.
3. Okay i agree.
Numberz_ July 22, 2015 at 9:07 AM UTC
You don't seem to understand that TDM is entirely tactical. Yes pvp is a large part but that's a skill in itself. There is far more to TDM than holding down chokepoints. You have to know what players will be playing where, if their is an objective like a hill or a scorebox who does what, who will stand back and bow and when you will organise a team push.
No tournament will include 1 hit maps.
Also to prove a point about me being able to use his argument:If you don't like the idea, then just stay out of the tournament. You have lots of walls servers that are always available. Why can't we have some fun? Plus, I rarely plays TDM and CTH, and i'm still supporting it as much as any TDM and CTH player would. TDM and CTH is fun, it may not be 'your type of game' but that doesn't mean that we can't have one. And at this point, I'd be a little frustrated if there was a walls tourney. So please, if you don't like the idea, just just stay out of the conversation.
Oh look, it worked. Michah's entire argument just with some words changed. What a suprise.
BmB July 22, 2015 at 9:07 AM UTC
Lol, I still can't see why everyone can't get a tournament. It doesn't have to be right away but at least to know that they are being planned is a good thing. We can have Walls tournaments, we can have TDM tournaments, we can have any tournaments that are in interest, just have to be paitent. But to say Avicus should only focus on one gameode is not going to help the server grow(I'm not just talking about tournaments, but the server itself.) I just don't see why your so against others getting to have some fun in these tournaments for once.
When AV do host a walls tournament it'll have to be really well planned because the game mode is just not cut out for competetiveness.
BmB July 22, 2015 at 10:07 AM UTC
I understand that it is entirely tactical, but there is not a lot of interesting features to it other than PvP. At lest with CTW and DTM you need to have defenders, offense and mid, making it far more tactical. Fairness wise if my team were to play yours the score would be completely one sided as we don't have players that are as highly skilled with PvP.
As i said before Pvp is a skill, it's not our fault that you may not be as good in pvp, but because we might be better at pvp than you that is no argument to not hosting a tournament.
BmB July 22, 2015 at 10:07 AM UTC
Exactly
these players always calling players out for "stupidity" or "being an idiot"
some players can't take fucking opinions
Please don't make any more of a fool of yourself.
Pelpelajax July 22, 2015 at 10:07 AM UTC
Okay, so my opinion on this whole topic. I personally think that the next tournament should not be TDM, due to the fact it doesn’t involve much strategies. You can say “holding choke points” is a strategy but it isn’t really because depending on the type of TDM it wouldn’t work, since most of the maps would be 1 hit or have protection not allowing players to place blocks. If officials already have something in the works for the next tournament please for the love of god make it DTM or CTW, something that actually has a ton of teamwork and planning needed. I talked to one official that is completely against the idea of a TDM tournament because it would be extremely unfair to some teams, when you have to play against PvP based teams like BC and Impact. Even look at this topic, two of the players that really want a TDM tournament are probably two of the best PvPers in Minecraft.
Also I’m 100% for the idea of a Walls tournament or mini event, heck I would even host it myself. Although I don’t think it could work on the same size of a scale as the Omega Championship simply because most Walls players don’t have forum accounts or access to TS3. I’ve talked to couple officials some that are completely for this idea because of how unique it is. I'm not saying this event needs to happen very soon, I just think it should sometime in the near future.
@BmB Just want to comment on a few of the things you’ve said on this topic.
“Lets face it walls attracts barely any players, at most 50 people on the server would enjoy a walls tournament. Oh wait that makes up 4 teams. “
Wouldn’t that be the point of this event to get more players playing Walls? I’m sure if this was announced a bunch of teams that played in the Nebula tournament would play in this one. Berzerk and Apollo would most likely play that’s already 42 players; most other teams would join just for the chance of playing/winning.
“Your argument literally had no valid points, I could literally copy and paste your argument and replace walls with TDM/CTH and it would serve the same purpose. “
Walls is nothing like TDM or CTH, you don’t need to actually strategize in those gamemodes, it’s something good PvPers are automatically good at. In Walls you need to work as a team gather enough armour and gear within the 10 minute prep time. It gives you more chance for teamwork, sharing with teammates, building traps, creating distractions or just simply a full on team rush.
“Clearly I don't want a walls tournament and clearly you don't want a TDM tournament. “
I know that both the above comments were directed towards Jracer, but I think it applies for anyone on this topic. I personally don’t care, I just want something different. Something with a twist that isn’t just straight PvP or objective rushing.
Sorry for my shity grammar and spelling, hopefully some of my points are somewhat understandable.
Numberz_ July 22, 2015 at 10:07 AM UTC
1. No it's not.
2. Not really.
3. Okay i agree.
2. It has some, I will agree that all the gamemodes have some tactics.Walls has traps, skybases, full on rushes, attacking mid and making potions. Those are just a few I can think of, but there is several more.
Numberz_ July 22, 2015 at 10:07 AM UTC
If you don't have defense, mid and offense in aTDM you're screwed, depending on the map albeit. You still have positions in TDM just not something as simple as Defense, Offense and mid. I'm not denying CTW and DTM are more tactical but TDM is still tactical and far more so than walls.
As i said before Pvp is a skill, it's not our fault that you may not be as good in pvp, but because we might be better at pvp than you that is no argument to not hosting a tournament.
2. I know just stating the fact that some teams like Bad Company, Impact and even Apollo would dominate a TDM tournament.
BmB July 22, 2015 at 10:07 AM UTC
1. It may not be the main point of hosting a tournament but it turns out to be a major factor. Even if its temporary, we can't really see how Nebula was increased by the past event because it was already the gamemode with the most players.
2. It has some, I will agree that all the gamemodes have some tactics.Walls has traps, skybases, full on rushes, attacking mid and making potions. Those are just a few I can think of, but there is several more.
2. Maybe so it's just walls is a game mode that happens to be effected largely by map knowledge and luck.
pope_panda July 22, 2015 at 10:07 AM UTC
I'll spill the beans. Walls will not be a game mode for the next tournament. But don't worry, it will happen sooner or later.
Spoookeh July 22, 2015 at 10:07 AM UTC
You don't seem to understand that TDM is entirely tactical. Yes pvp is a large part but that's a skill in itself. There is far more to TDM than holding down chokepoints. You have to know what players will be playing where, if their is an objective like a hill or a scorebox who does what, who will stand back and bow and when you will organise a team push.
No tournament will include 1 hit maps.
Also to prove a point about me being able to use his argument:If you don't like the idea, then just stay out of the tournament. You have lots of walls servers that are always available. Why can't we have some fun? Plus, I rarely plays TDM and CTH, and i'm still supporting it as much as any TDM and CTH player would. TDM and CTH is fun, it may not be 'your type of game' but that doesn't mean that we can't have one. And at this point, I'd be a little frustrated if there was a walls tourney. So please, if you don't like the idea, just just stay out of the conversation.
Oh look, it worked. Michah's entire argument just with some words changed. What a suprise.
Robin_DD_J July 22, 2015 at 10:07 AM UTC
Ladies calm down, it won't be Walls tournament.Legoche July 22, 2015 at 11:07 AM UTC
Ladies calm down, it won't be Walls tournament.
Patrikano July 22, 2015 at 8:07 PM UTC
Hello!This is literally my first post on the forums!
I have very little to say, I joined avicus when it was still called McZone, I had quit avicus for maybe 6-7 months, and only now a few days ago did I finally get back into avicus and minecraft in general and I started playing on walls!
The idea of a walls tournament in the future is a great idea! I understand the next tournament will not be a walls tourney, but the next one should be! It is hard for new players to go into a large gamemode like nebula and do good. Walls is different, pretty much anyone can join the server and play. Even though I just came back to avicus, I already made many friends, and could make a walls team. So to the people who say 'there won't be enough teams' How do you know? Lets try, lets see if teams will join. I respect everyones opinion, so please respect mine!
-Pat :D
jracer15 July 22, 2015 at 8:07 PM UTC
Hello!
This is literally my first post on the forums!
I have very little to say, I joined avicus when it was still called McZone, I had quit avicus for maybe 6-7 months, and only now a few days ago did I finally get back into avicus and minecraft in general and I started playing on walls!
The idea of a walls tournament in the future is a great idea! I understand the next tournament will not be a walls tourney, but the next one should be! It is hard for new players to go into a large gamemode like nebula and do good. Walls is different, pretty much anyone can join the server and play. Even though I just came back to avicus, I already made many friends, and could make a walls team. So to the people who say 'there won't be enough teams' How do you know? Lets try, lets see if teams will join. I respect everyones opinion, so please respect mine!
-Pat :D