Actually, I'd like it if it 4 squadrons. 4 teams going against each other would be fun.
+1
Teams of four
Use the maps in rots right now, but add a higher ore percentage, I say use maps on rot because a part of being good at walls is knowing the secrets of each map
Best team: Me, Polar, Meggs, Pork, and Coco :D All of us know the maps, Polar's PVP is well, we all know. All of us are fairly good at PVP, we all know the strategies to raid sky bases, teamwork, etc.
Best team: Me, Polar, Meggs, Pork, and Coco :D All of us know the maps, Polar's PVP is well, we all know. All of us are fairly good at PVP, we all know the strategies to raid sky bases, teamwork, etc.
Thing is tourney and rotation maps are two different things. :)
Best team: Me, Polar, Meggs, Pork, and Coco :D All of us know the maps, Polar's PVP is well, we all know. All of us are fairly good at PVP, we all know the strategies to raid sky bases, teamwork, etc.
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Dont think we could beat that team you lined up but we could sure try haha
Why does everyone want walls when you can have TDM? Its the same but better because you don't have to get items which is incredibly boring
That's a matter of opinion, I like mining the diamonds, finding the secret chests and all that, plus in walls, if you die, your out, where in TDM, you respawn.
So ultimately, it's a matter of opinion, because I like walls a lot more than TDM but others may have the opposite opinion
Why does everyone want walls when you can have TDM? Its the same but better because you don't have to get items which is incredibly boring
There's more strategy if you have to get your own resources and choose how to use them/split them up among your team. If kits are allowed, we could see some interesting kit strategies.
Of all the games on Avicus, walls is the most dynamic. There is a large variety of aspects that can be taken advantage of (potions, enchantments, lava, skybases, traps, tnt). The games may not be as long as nebula but they will definitely be just as intense.
I'd find a walls tourney more interesting that a TDM tourney.
Walls nor TDM require any strats or tactics so it's basically the same thing, but, personally, I'd like to see TDM as the main theme for the next tourney cause I don't like walls at all.
Walls nor TDM require any strats or tactics so it's basically the same thing, but, personally, I'd like to see TDM as the main theme for the next tourney cause I don't like walls at all.
Walls DOES have strats and tactics
1. lava/fire for pvp
2. You can place blocks (skybases/traps)
3. You have limited amount of items so your team needs to decide who gets what
TDM really doesn't have anything. Maybe just camping location
jjst because you don't like walls doesn't mean there shouldn't be a tournament for walls.
to me, I think it would be interesting to see this.
3. You have limited amount of items so your team needs to decide who gets what
TDM really doesn't have anything. Maybe just camping location
jjst because you don't like walls doesn't mean there shouldn't be a tournament for walls.
to me, I think it would be interesting to see this.
Ok first all, regarding your first point, I don't see anything coming out from that. How's using lava or fire stratting or making any tactics. And to be honest, I'll agree with the other 2 points merely because they're fair enough.
Yet, you can't say TDM doesn't have anything. You still need to organize the team-pushes and what not, plus, working as a group during the match is an important factor as well.
I didn't disagree with a walls tournament just because I don't like it but that gamemode doesn't seem so important to me and I'd rather make just a mini-tourney with it.
no TDM plz. We don't need to practice strategy on maps. All we need to do is pvp
Wait, you are saying that you don't need tactics for TDM? So, I just need a team with Dualzz, DGB, TheTrail(however you write it), N3xt and all the other gods.
Wait, you are saying that you don't need tactics for TDM? So, I just need a team with Dualzz, DGB, TheTrail(however you write it), N3xt and all the other gods.
Walls players can put up with a TDM, why not Nebula players put up with a walls match :D I personally would like to see some of you guys try it, it would be something fresh and new. Go out your comfort zone for once :P
I personally don't like DTM vey much, there's lots of tourney's for that. It's a matter of opinion, you DTM people get your tourney time, let us have ours. You can join, have fun if you want to, but there's no reason to completely hate the idea just because it's not as popular.
What's the complication that makes you not want to?
Right now, we sense that we need to focus on other gamemodes. I have never seen walls as a competitive gamemode, and that's what a tournament is all about. In addition, there are only a few that play it on a regular basis.
The thing is with walls, and i know pelp already said it but their isn't a large enough player base for the community to support it and ,aking walls competitive would be very difficult. Also walls scrim servers? Walls bracket, even walls teams, it's just not a gamemode that is cut out for a tournament.
Right now, we sense that we need to focus on other gamemodes. I have never seen walls as a competitive gamemode, and that's what a tournament is all about. In addition, there are only a few that play it on a regular basis.
Yes! More Nebula tournaments! Just what the community needs! It's not like that gamemode is boring with stalematey maps and normal DTM/CTW/TDM maps with no pizzazz
am funny
now back to y I replied. BUT ISN'T THAT THE POINT? To make walls more popular using a tournament?
Yes! More Nebula tournaments! Just what the community needs! It's not like that gamemode is boring with stalematey maps and normal DTM/CTW/TDM maps with no pizzazz
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now back to y I replied. BUT ISN'T THAT THE POINT? To make walls more popular using a tournament?
Yes it is, but we already have things set up. In addition, with tournaments, we try to atract new players, I don't think new players will be queing up for a walls tournament.
Yes it is, but we already have things set up. In addition, with tournaments, we try to atract new players, I don't think new players will be queing up for a walls tournament.
We had some new players, and in general DTM is more popular than walls. Stats suggest that.
Walls is the 2nd most played gamemode (usually 15-30 players online which is funny compared to DTM -_-) so why can't we revive this gamemode by showing what it really is for more players to actually play other gamemodes instead of the same gamemode every day. Some players are getting sick of the usual "DTM" on avicus. Might as well rename avicus "The DTM Server"
Walls is the 2nd most played gamemode (usually 15-30 players online which is funny compared to DTM -_-) so why can't we revive this gamemode by showing what it really is for more players to actually play other gamemodes instead of the same gamemode every day. Some players are getting sick of the usual "DTM" on avicus. Might as well rename avicus "The DTM Server"
Because there is more in other gamemodes. If we hadn't planned ahead, walls might have been an option, but we took the decision to start preparing something else already, however, nothing is confirmed. If the community does show more interest in a walls tournament, we might have to do some more thinking.
Because there is more in other gamemodes. If we hadn't planned ahead, walls might have been an option, but we took the decision to start preparing something else already, however, nothing is confirmed. If the community does show more interest in a walls tournament, we might have to do some more thinking.
More interest? There are 2 pages on this thread with players talking about how a walls tournament would be and how they would like to play a walls tournament. Yeah, more interest needed
More interest? There are 2 pages on this thread with players talking about how a walls tournament would be and how they would like to play a walls tournament. Yeah, more interest needed
There is more to a community than just the forums.
IMO, we really don't need another Nebula tourney. Nebula is the only game mode that always has at least 1 match open. We should try advertising other game modes like Walls and Nexus. If we make a tourney for lets say Walls, we could boost our player count not only for the server, but for the actually game mode, too.
Why archive your post from before? (Stating that the officials aren't keen on making a walls tournament)
Maybe because you've knocked their confidence by being a little asshole. Maybe you want a walls tournament and maybe lots of people on this thread do. But even more don't want a walls tournament and actually the DTM tourney did attract new players. Only about half of the teams entered were all Avicus member teams anyway, look and you will see that many new players arrived for the tournament. The officials had already started organising what I believe is a TDM and CTH style tourney which once again will attract more players, TDM is also an overlooked gamemode on Avicus, it also is easily compatible with a tournament bracket and scrim servers and everything else that comes with it.
Stop whining about not getting your walls tournament and either play in the next tournament or don't, who knows there might be a walls tourney sometime but you have to know when to give up kid.
IMO, we really don't need another Nebula tourney. Nebula is the only game mode that always has at least 1 match open. We should try advertising other game modes like Walls and Nexus. If we make a tourney for lets say Walls, we could boost our player count not only for the server, but for the actually game mode, too.
But maybe, if it hasn't occured to you, the reason there is always a nebula game in progress is because people enjoy that gamemode and not the Walls. Therefore making a tournament that will annoy most of the community who would be involved in a tournament what do you achieve? Whereas a nebula or TDM tournament, which people already want to play and that will still attract new players is probably a better idea.
What is the point in hosting a tournament to raise popularity for a game mode that is available in so many other places. None.
Maybe because you've knocked their confidence by being a little asshole. Maybe you want a walls tournament and maybe lots of people on this thread do. But even more don't want a walls tournament and actually the DTM tourney did attract new players. Only about half of the teams entered were all Avicus member teams anyway, look and you will see that many new players arrived for the tournament. The officials had already started organising what I believe is a TDM and CTH style tourney which once again will attract more players, TDM is also an overlooked gamemode on Avicus, it also is easily compatible with a tournament bracket and scrim servers and everything else that comes with it.
Stop whining about not getting your walls tournament and either play in the next tournament or don't, who knows there might be a walls tourney sometime but you have to know when to give up kid.
With your attitude you'll be lucky if you can play the next tournament.
Anyway we already had a DTM tourney I think walls should be next bring some more life to that gamemode its really needed.
But maybe, if it hasn't occured to you, the reason there is always a nebula game in progress is because people enjoy that gamemode and not the Walls. Therefore making a tournament that will annoy most of the community who would be involved in a tournament what do you achieve? Whereas a nebula or TDM tournament, which people already want to play and that will still attract new players is probably a better idea.
What is the point in hosting a tournament to raise popularity for a game mode that is available in so many other places. None.
Don't you think some Walls players were "annoyed" when we had our DTM server, and then found out that we'd be having another? The Walls community has almost no members on the forums,which kind of sucks since they aren't sharing what they believe. I can assure you, there are a lot of people who want a Walls tourney. Even people who don't regularly play it, like me.
Lmao, this seems a little childish, why can't we cater to everyone? I don't understand how a little more variety is a bad thing.
Walls is the second most played gamemode on Avicus so its not its not played. There are so many other game modes that aren't even played on Avicus so why not try to revive it? If you really don't like walls then don't do the tournament.
It would be something nice for those who play it. It seems when you say "see the community interest" or only asking hardcore Nebula players. Hell, even some Nebula players are interested in the idea!
With your attitude you'll be lucky if you can play the next tournament.
Anyway we already had a DTM tourney I think walls should be next bring some more life to that gamemode its really needed.
Coming from you, but anyway i wasn't suggesting another DTM i was suggesting a TDM/CTH tourney. Incorporating Nexus, CTH and Nebula all into one tournament and overall pleasing more members of the community.
The short story is that Walls has a small player base and that's the way it's gonna stay and no tournament is going to really change that. I'm pretty sure legoche made the post suggesting a walls tournament for the fun of it, not so that a load of people could scream and cry about needing a walls tournament so that the minority is happy, all seems a bit selfish to me.
Who says that walls can't be a tournament after the next one?
The title of the thread obviously states that walls should be a "future" tournament, so perhaps after the next tournament it will happen. But that's just my way of looking at it.
1. Can't play public matches or players not playing in the event will join
2. can't play on normal servers because we don't have YML/map/plugin
3. Can't play on Mapdev because of #1 and it's illegal (you can only test maps)
A player could take it upon themselves to host one? Or you could ask the staff if they could let you use an official server or mapdev to host a mini event. I'm sure they would co-operate.
Who says that walls can't be a tournament after the next one?
The title of the thread obviously states that walls should be a "future" tournament, so perhaps after the next tournament it will happen. But that's just my way of looking at it.
giant walls tourney!!1!1!1!! 40v40v40v40? :P or decrease the numbers to 20v20v20v20
A player could take it upon themselves to host one? Or you could ask the staff if they could let you use an official server or mapdev to host a mini event. I'm sure they would co-operate.
I'm sure the officials will allow using the official servers (if they actually cooperate and set the maps) but we aren't allowed to use mapdev server for that reason (it's used for testing maps only)
Coming from you, but anyway i wasn't suggesting another DTM i was suggesting a TDM/CTH tourney. Incorporating Nexus, CTH and Nebula all into one tournament and overall pleasing more members of the community.
The short story is that Walls has a small player base and that's the way it's gonna stay and no tournament is going to really change that. I'm pretty sure legoche made the post suggesting a walls tournament for the fun of it, not so that a load of people could scream and cry about needing a walls tournament so that the minority is happy, all seems a bit selfish to me.
The Walls isn't the "minority." Last time I checked, it's the second most popular game on Avicus.
Walls is the 2nd most played gamemode (usually 15-30 players online which is funny compared to DTM -_-) so why can't we revive this gamemode by showing what it really is for more players to actually play other gamemodes instead of the same gamemode every day. Some players are getting sick of the usual "DTM" on avicus. Might as well rename avicus "The DTM Server"
It's a fucking joke that you think walls should be the next tournament.
It's a fucking joke that you think walls should be the next tournament.
Ya, cause it seems just because someone doesn't like the gamemode it means no one else should have the tournament. There is a whole other part of Avicus then just Nebula you know and they have been wishing for this for ages.
Ya, cause it seems just because someone doesn't like the gamemode it means no one else should have the tournament. There is a whole other part of Avicus then just Nebula you know and they have been wishing for this for ages.
Na, cause you got it wrong. I don't mind walls at all, in fact I quite like it.
but let's be real here, pel already explained a tournament should be competitive and somewhat skill based. Randomly finding spots of iron and right clicking on chests isn't exactly competitive as a team based tournament/event. Not to mention, for some reason you think having a walls tournament will do anything positive for the gamemode, when really, it won't. For the nebula tourney, there was a struggle for teams to even get a spot after 16 teams (which by itself isn't even that much), and I'll be extremely surprised if more than 16 teams will even give a fuck about a walls tourney (avicus is known for nebula). A TDM would also be a good idea because again, it's actually skill based. Walls is literally just who can tower the highest or who can get the most lucky with finding iron etc.
Na, cause you got it wrong. I don't mind walls at all, in fact I quite like it.
but let's be real here, pel already explained a tournament should be competitive and somewhat skill based. Randomly finding spots of iron and right clicking on chests isn't exactly competitive as a team based tournament/event. Not to mention, for some reason you think having a walls tournament will do anything positive for the gamemode, when really, it won't. For the nebula tourney, there was a struggle for teams to even get a spot after 16 teams (which by itself isn't even that much), and I'll be extremely surprised if more than 16 teams will even give a fuck about a walls tourney (avicus is known for nebula). A TDM would also be a good idea because again, it's actually skill based. Walls is literally just who can tower the highest or who can get the most lucky with finding iron etc.
Na, cause you got it wrong. I don't mind walls at all, in fact I quite like it.
but let's be real here, pel already explained a tournament should be competitive and somewhat skill based. Randomly finding spots of iron and right clicking on chests isn't exactly competitive as a team based tournament/event. Not to mention, for some reason you think having a walls tournament will do anything positive for the gamemode, when really, it won't. For the nebula tourney, there was a struggle for teams to even get a spot after 16 teams (which by itself isn't even that much), and I'll be extremely surprised if more than 16 teams will even give a fuck about a walls tourney (avicus is known for nebula). A TDM would also be a good idea because again, it's actually skill based. Walls is literally just who can tower the highest or who can get the most lucky with finding iron etc.
It's a joke.
"It's a joke"
Just like 90% of the teams actually having a chance in TDM
Na, cause you got it wrong. I don't mind walls at all, in fact I quite like it.
but let's be real here, pel already explained a tournament should be competitive and somewhat skill based. Randomly finding spots of iron and right clicking on chests isn't exactly competitive as a team based tournament/event. Not to mention, for some reason you think having a walls tournament will do anything positive for the gamemode, when really, it won't. For the nebula tourney, there was a struggle for teams to even get a spot after 16 teams (which by itself isn't even that much), and I'll be extremely surprised if more than 16 teams will even give a fuck about a walls tourney (avicus is known for nebula). A TDM would also be a good idea because again, it's actually skill based. Walls is literally just who can tower the highest or who can get the most lucky with finding iron etc.
It's a joke.
Well that depends on what maps are played, if we use regular walls rot maps, the "random boxes" and iron are complete obsolete problems, because a skill needed in walls is knowing the map and it's secrets.
Now if they are new maps, that's a different story, but you can still practice the new ones on practice servers
Here is my take on this particular idea Walls may be fun, sure. I enjoy playing it whenever I don't feel like playing PvP based gamemodes. Actually, that pretty much backups the argument that "Walls isn't skill based". Instead, it's knowledge based - in the sense that the player with the most knowledge about the item locations will most likely end up winning; no matter their actual ability to sword fight or archer. Which is exactly why new players enjoy walls. They don't feel the need to play competitively.
Additionally, TDM is actually more than just PvP engagements. Think about the team work that could be involved and how teams lock down choke points. Let me tell you this... a team can end up victorious even against the most strongest opponents if they play the gamemode/map well. In walls, it's not like that. You spend X amount of time gathering items - some of which are OP - and abuse that to rush teams (essentially cheap wins).
@BowSpamNoob: "...a skill needed in walls is knowing the map and it's secrets."
I'm sure I'm not the only one... but I don't want teams winning purely off their map experience.
Na, cause you got it wrong. I don't mind walls at all, in fact I quite like it.
but let's be real here, pel already explained a tournament should be competitive and somewhat skill based. Randomly finding spots of iron and right clicking on chests isn't exactly competitive as a team based tournament/event. Not to mention, for some reason you think having a walls tournament will do anything positive for the gamemode, when really, it won't. For the nebula tourney, there was a struggle for teams to even get a spot after 16 teams (which by itself isn't even that much), and I'll be extremely surprised if more than 16 teams will even give a fuck about a walls tourney (avicus is known for nebula). A TDM would also be a good idea because again, it's actually skill based. Walls is literally just who can tower the highest or who can get the most lucky with finding iron etc.
It's a joke.
"It's a joke"
Why, instead of saying no at first glance, don't we look more into it and see if it's a good idea. We can't just be having DTM, CTW and TDM tourneys the whole time.
A walls tournament would be so interesting, and why would teams not apply? It's a chance to win a tourney and you might as well have a go.
Also, the only skills involved in walls aren't just randomly finding a pocket of iron or right clicking chests. Teams would have to strategise and use tactics to win.
Why, instead of saying no at first glance, don't we look more into it and see if it's a good idea. We can't just be having DTM, CTW and TDM tourneys the whole time.
A walls tournament would be so interesting, and why would teams not apply? It's a chance to win a tourney and you might as well have a go.
Also, the only skills involved in walls aren't just randomly finding a pocket of iron or right clicking chests. Teams would have to strategise and use tactics to win.
I, as said before, think this is a great idea.
Strategies like what? The only skill in the walls is being able to memorise the entire map. We haven't had a TDM or CTW tourney yet so..... Teams wouldn't apply because nobody outside of this forums post cares about having a walls tourney, whereas we attracted lots of new players for the DTM tourney. People are saying that most walls players aren't on the forums, well it's the same for nebula players and not only that if most walls players are off the forums they aren't going to know about the tournament anyway.
Strategies like what? The only skill in the walls is being able to memorise the entire map. We haven't had a TDM or CTW tourney yet so..... Teams wouldn't apply because nobody outside of this forums post cares about having a walls tourney, whereas we attracted lots of new players for the DTM tourney. People are saying that most walls players aren't on the forums, well it's the same for nebula players and not only that if most walls players are off the forums they aren't going to know about the tournament anyway.
The tournament didn't attract new players. We still have an average of like 120 people on.
Strategies like what? The only skill in the walls is being able to memorise the entire map. We haven't had a TDM or CTW tourney yet so..... Teams wouldn't apply because nobody outside of this forums post cares about having a walls tourney, whereas we attracted lots of new players for the DTM tourney. People are saying that most walls players aren't on the forums, well it's the same for nebula players and not only that if most walls players are off the forums they aren't going to know about the tournament anyway.
Lol, people who play walls who aren't on forums said they would join the forums just to be apart of the tournament. And plus, why not advertise a tournament is happening on the server. Idk if you do, I assume you do.
There is TONS of strategies. Remember, in walls your more open to what you can do in that game. You could make traps, Rush teams that are still mining, I know that Murph has this one srat where she crouches and her team mate doesn't. So when someone runs in thinking its there fighting just one they are surprised to find more in there. In Tetris, the bow in the middle in the sky so people have the strat to make a small base the build over there.
I wouldn't say Walls isn't competitive but isn't so dependent on some pvp skills. I think you guys underestimate how much fun a Walls match can really be. And it could always just be a mini tourney where you don't need 16 teams. I'm just saying, there is a whole group of people on Avicus who feel ignored since the majority play Nebula, but there are other game modes that aren't even played on the server, so why not try something new for once?
Here is my take on this particular idea Walls may be fun, sure. I enjoy playing it whenever I don't feel like playing PvP based gamemodes. Actually, that pretty much backups the argument that "Walls isn't skill based". Instead, it's knowledge based - in the sense that the player with the most knowledge about the item locations will most likely end up winning; no matter their actual ability to sword fight or archer. Which is exactly why new players enjoy walls. They don't feel the need to play competitively.
Additionally, TDM is actually more than just PvP engagements. Think about the team work that could be involved and how teams lock down choke points. Let me tell you this... a team can end up victorious even against the most strongest opponents if they play the gamemode/map well. In walls, it's not like that. You spend X amount of time gathering items - some of which are OP - and abuse that to rush teams (essentially cheap wins).
@BowSpamNoob: "...a skill needed in walls is knowing the map and it's secrets."
I'm sure I'm not the only one... but I don't want teams winning purely off their map experience.
Although games can go that way, there are also rounds where two different teams know where the items are, then it's skill based, how to approach this opposing team, whose better at pvp, who can outwit the other, it's definitely skill
I don't know about everyone else, but when I was new on the server, I hated walls, because I was bad at pvp and I didn't want to wait 10 minutes just to get killed right away, so I joined elimination to get better at my pvp, so I don't really follow your statement
And plus, your basing this off normal walls matches, ones with a mix of noobs, people not trying, ok players and the experienced ones, have you ever seen a match when every team is compiled of top notch players? It doesn't happen often, but it's a crazy game with lots of skills involved
Then study the maps, if they know more than you, your at fault, you can always download the maps and search them through, you assume that one team will know it all but a lot of walls regulars know secrets
Although games can go that way, there are also rounds where two different teams know where the items are, then it's skill based, how to approach this opposing team, whose better at pvp, who can outwit the other, it's definitely skill
I don't know about everyone else, but when I was new on the server, I hated walls, because I was bad at pvp and I didn't want to wait 10 minutes just to get killed right away, so I joined elimination to get better at my pvp, so I don't really follow your statement
And plus, your basing this off normal walls matches, ones with a mix of noobs, people not trying, ok players and the experienced ones, have you ever seen a match when every team is compiled of top notch players? It doesn't happen often, but it's a crazy game with lots of skills involved
Then study the maps, if they know more than you, your at fault, you can always download the maps and search them through, you assume that one team will know it all but a lot of walls regulars know secrets
Your first statement... I fail to comprehend what you mean.
You are contradicting yourself with your second statement. More reason why we Officials aren't keen on doing so.
No I'm no basing my reason off public matches. I've been in many elitist walls matches, thank you very much.
Study the maps? Yeah sure, that's easy. That is exactly why I am so opposed to hosting a walls tournament. Once a map is mastered, it gets so easy. When you think about it, walls is also quite restricted. What do you do knce you have all the items? Sit and wait? It's repetitive and doesn't match the variety of gamestyles like tdm, ctw and dtm have.
See, us Officials want to host a walls tournament... so it seems... but we have other plans on our minds ATM. Certainly, it could be a mini event in the future, but not right now.
Lol, people who play walls who aren't on forums said they would join the forums just to be apart of the tournament. And plus, why not advertise a tournament is happening on the server. Idk if you do, I assume you do.
There is TONS of strategies. Remember, in walls your more open to what you can do in that game. You could make traps, Rush teams that are still mining, I know that Murph has this one srat where she crouches and her team mate doesn't. So when someone runs in thinking its there fighting just one they are surprised to find more in there. In Tetris, the bow in the middle in the sky so people have the strat to make a small base the build over there.
I wouldn't say Walls isn't competitive but isn't so dependent on some pvp skills. I think you guys underestimate how much fun a Walls match can really be. And it could always just be a mini tourney where you don't need 16 teams. I'm just saying, there is a whole group of people on Avicus who feel ignored since the majority play Nebula, but there are other game modes that aren't even played on the server, so why not try something new for once?
Because i am sure you have located every player who enjoys walls on the server and contacted them about a possible tournament, not only that i'm sure that they would all join a team. Lets face it walls attracts barely any players, at most 50 people on the server would enjoy a walls tournament. Oh wait that makes up 4 teams.
All these strats aren't exactly complicated or advanced in fact they are simple, i'm not denying walls can't be fun, it actually is quite a lot of fun but it's just not a game mode that is cut out to be played competitively.
If you have followed what i have been saying a Conquer style tournament would be great. It includes TDM from nebula and obviously nexus is also TDM and if there a maps with capture points it also incorporates CTH. 3 gamemode in 1 tournament, try and argue that walls would still be a better idea i dare you/
16 teams isn't a large tournament anyway, infact it is quite a small tournament and as mentioned before walls could only really pull 4 competitive teams. Your arguments are flawed and there is no way of denying that walls isn't a good game mode for a tournament.
Think about it, a TDM tournament will likely have 2-3 teams cut above the rest, with the others really not having much of a chance. At least in DTM you can compensate better for a lack of PVP skill with tactics.
I don't care what gamemode the next tournament is but please give it some more thought before you make it TDM
Think about it, a TDM tournament will likely have 2-3 teams cut above the rest, with the others really not having much of a chance. At least in DTM you can compensate better for a lack of PVP skill with tactics.
I don't care what gamemode the next tournament is but please give it some more thought before you make it TDM
Maybe because you've knocked their confidence by being a little asshole. Maybe you want a walls tournament and maybe lots of people on this thread do. But even more don't want a walls tournament and actually the DTM tourney did attract new players. Only about half of the teams entered were all Avicus member teams anyway, look and you will see that many new players arrived for the tournament. The officials had already started organising what I believe is a TDM and CTH style tourney which once again will attract more players, TDM is also an overlooked gamemode on Avicus, it also is easily compatible with a tournament bracket and scrim servers and everything else that comes with it.
Stop whining about not getting your walls tournament and either play in the next tournament or don't, who knows there might be a walls tourney sometime but you have to know when to give up kid.
Lots of people came for the TDM tournament, a lot also left afterwards, Just because people came for the tourney doesn't mean every one of them stayed.
Your first statement... I fail to comprehend what you mean.
You are contradicting yourself with your second statement. More reason why we Officials aren't keen on doing so.
No I'm no basing my reason off public matches. I've been in many elitist walls matches, thank you very much.
Study the maps? Yeah sure, that's easy. That is exactly why I am so opposed to hosting a walls tournament. Once a map is mastered, it gets so easy. When you think about it, walls is also quite restricted. What do you do knce you have all the items? Sit and wait? It's repetitive and doesn't match the variety of gamestyles like tdm, ctw and dtm have.
See, us Officials want to host a walls tournament... so it seems... but we have other plans on our minds ATM. Certainly, it could be a mini event in the future, but not right now.
I meant, when two teams know where the items are, they will have to face each other with similar armor, which means the better team will win due to their skill, pvp and tactics.
But if they are competitive teams, if they die right after the ten minutes, that's their fault, they lost.
Ok, i didn't know that, but we are talking about a tournament here, people wont be slacking off and messing around, they'll be trying to win, so walls not being competitive is irrelevant because the tournament will be competitive.
Well you can build traps during that time, build a base, you also have to split out who gets what secrets items, like: who gets the diamond chest plate, who gets the special sword, all that. Different maps have completely different varieties, playing a match on Overworld isn't anywhere near the same as playing a match on Neirus, Vanilla or Tetris Swamp or many other maps
Ok if you already have another planned, go ahead, its your place to choose not mine, i am just trying to say a walls tourney isn't a bad idea
personally id prefer a four team walls tourney compiled of rather two man teams or three man teams
That sentence made no sense, read it, you contradicted yourself.
And actually walls is the minority compared to nebula, there isn't any denying it.
If you don't like the idea, then just stay out of the tournament. You have TDM tourney's all the time, why can't we have some fun? Plus, FlyHacks rarely plays walls, and he's still supporting it as much as any walls player would. Walls is fun, it may not be 'your type of game' but that doesn't mean that we can't have one. And at this point, I'd be a little frustrated if there was another TDM tourney. So please, if you don't like the idea, just just stay out of the conversation.
"walls is in the minority" How would you know that if you only play TDM. You can't. Walls is fun to some people, if you don't like the game, then you don't have to play. You're not being forced to... Just stop...
Why, instead of saying no at first glance, don't we look more into it and see if it's a good idea. We can't just be having DTM, CTW and TDM tourneys the whole time.
A walls tournament would be so interesting, and why would teams not apply? It's a chance to win a tourney and you might as well have a go.
Also, the only skills involved in walls aren't just randomly finding a pocket of iron or right clicking chests. Teams would have to strategise and use tactics to win.
I, as said before, think this is a great idea.
You really think strategies work in walls? If you're up against a player who actually knows what the fuck they're doing, you stand no chance. Ever played MCPVP HG? Well I did for the latter part of 3+ years, it's extremely similar to walls in a sense, except with 1 addition which added skill into the game, soups. If you took soups out it would make it a non-competitive gamemode, and that's exactly what happened, it died. Not to mention, if you get any veteran player for walls or even HG, they would crush 'strategies' without even thinking about them (I only mention HG because it was really intense AND skill based, mixed with as you say, strategies). Like seriously, anyone who's a veteran playing walls or HG would just come in and carry the living fuck out of their team, so in that case you might as well just make it a 1v1v1v1 or some shit. Tactics wouldn't work for shit against me, I know this one for a fact (considering I would try to win), because many people used to do the same on a larger skill based server in teams and such, and it was seen as a gimmick to strategise. Walls is like a more lucky version of TDM.
I only say people who are "veterans" would carry their team because they've dealt with the same old strategies over and over again, time and time again, making it simply seem like them eating a sandwich. The only extra strategies walls adds out of the ordinary TDM is towering and tunneling/trapping.
It's a joke. All of you who are saying that strategies in walls would add skill don't know what you're talking about at all.
I'll spill the beans. Walls will not be a game mode for the next tournament. But don't worry, it will happen sooner or later.
I'm ok with walls not being the next tournament, you already had it planned. But I can't see any tournament not being competitive. The server needs to realize its not smart to only rely on one gamemode. The biggest servers have tons of variety! Hope a Walls tournament is planned in the furture!
Strategies like what? The only skill in the walls is being able to memorise the entire map. We haven't had a TDM or CTW tourney yet so..... Teams wouldn't apply because nobody outside of this forums post cares about having a walls tourney, whereas we attracted lots of new players for the DTM tourney. People are saying that most walls players aren't on the forums, well it's the same for nebula players and not only that if most walls players are off the forums they aren't going to know about the tournament anyway.
What new players? I haven't seen a rise in player count since the tourney. And why would teams not apply? It's a good chance to win a tournament...
You really think strategies work in walls? If you're up against a player who actually knows what the fuck they're doing, you stand no chance. Ever played MCPVP HG? Well I did for the latter part of 3+ years, it's extremely similar to walls in a sense, except with 1 addition which added skill into the game, soups. If you took soups out it would make it a non-competitive gamemode, and that's exactly what happened, it died. Not to mention, if you get any veteran player for walls or even HG, they would crush 'strategies' without even thinking about them (I only mention HG because it was really intense AND skill based, mixed with as you say, strategies). Like seriously, anyone who's a veteran playing walls or HG would just come in and carry the living fuck out of their team, so in that case you might as well just make it a 1v1v1v1 or some shit. Tactics wouldn't work for shit against me, I know this one for a fact (considering I would try to win), because many people used to do the same on a larger skill based server in teams and such, and it was seen as a gimmick to strategise. Walls is like a more lucky version of TDM.
I only say people who are "veterans" would carry their team because they've dealt with the same old strategies over and over again, time and time again, making it simply seem like them eating a sandwich. The only extra strategies walls adds out of the ordinary TDM is towering and tunneling/trapping.
It's a joke. All of you who are saying that strategies in walls would add skill don't know what you're talking about at all.
Oh, so I have no clue what I'm talking about then? Ok.
So let's say there is one of your 'veterans' who 'can't be beaten'. The other team would strategise and all move together to target that person, therefore the rest of the team can't be 'carried'.
Then lets say I've been playing walls for years and know every tactic and practically win every match. It comes down to me and one last guy and that person is better at pvp than me. I'm just sprinting through one of the quadrants and the other guy comes out to 1v1 me. He wins.
Strategies do come into play in every game mode and you can't say they don't.
Oh, so I have no clue what I'm talking about then? Ok.
So let's say there is one of your 'veterans' who 'can't be beaten'. The other team would strategise and all move together to target that person, therefore the rest of the team can't be 'carried'.
Then lets say I've been playing walls for years and know every tactic and practically win every match. It comes down to me and one last guy and that person is better at pvp than me. I'm just sprinting through one of the quadrants and the other guy comes out to 1v1 me. He wins.
Strategies do come into play in every game mode and you can't say they don't.
How would the other team know that the guy/girl is a veteran? Also if they target that 1 player, the rest of the team can just gank the team in the back, and that's not even a walls based strategy as I said, that's a TDM based one lol. I don't even know what you're trying to prove by your 2nd point.
How would the other team know that the guy/girl is a veteran? Also if they target that 1 player, the rest of the team can just gank the team in the back, and that's not even a walls based strategy as I said, that's a TDM based one lol. I don't even know what you're trying to prove by your 2nd point.
That because there is 1 person from the other team who is a veteran and amazing at walls that doesn't mean you've automatically lost.
Ending this now will probably be for the best. I personally think that a Walls tournament is a great idea. Others have their different opinions.
You really think strategies work in walls? If you're up against a player who actually knows what the fuck they're doing, you stand no chance. Ever played MCPVP HG? Well I did for the latter part of 3+ years, it's extremely similar to walls in a sense, except with 1 addition which added skill into the game, soups. If you took soups out it would make it a non-competitive gamemode, and that's exactly what happened, it died. Not to mention, if you get any veteran player for walls or even HG, they would crush 'strategies' without even thinking about them (I only mention HG because it was really intense AND skill based, mixed with as you say, strategies). Like seriously, anyone who's a veteran playing walls or HG would just come in and carry the living fuck out of their team, so in that case you might as well just make it a 1v1v1v1 or some shit. Tactics wouldn't work for shit against me, I know this one for a fact (considering I would try to win), because many people used to do the same on a larger skill based server in teams and such, and it was seen as a gimmick to strategise. Walls is like a more lucky version of TDM.
I only say people who are "veterans" would carry their team because they've dealt with the same old strategies over and over again, time and time again, making it simply seem like them eating a sandwich. The only extra strategies walls adds out of the ordinary TDM is towering and tunneling/trapping.
It's a joke. All of you who are saying that strategies in walls would add skill don't know what you're talking about at all.
But you don't need strategies in HG if you have a Specialist-Urgal team.
If you don't like the idea, then just stay out of the tournament. You have TDM tourney's all the time, why can't we have some fun? Plus, FlyHacks rarely plays walls, and he's still supporting it as much as any walls player would. Walls is fun, it may not be 'your type of game' but that doesn't mean that we can't have one. And at this point, I'd be a little frustrated if there was another TDM tourney. So please, if you don't like the idea, just just stay out of the conversation.
"walls is in the minority" How would you know that if you only play TDM. You can't. Walls is fun to some people, if you don't like the game, then you don't have to play. You're not being forced to... Just stop...
Are you stupid? Like seriously: 1: we have never had a TDM tourney before 2. Walls is a minority, you don't need to play it to know that, you can just check the player count. 3. Your argument literally had no valid points, I could literally copy and paste your argument and replace walls with TDM/CTH and it would serve the same purpose. Clearly I don't want a walls tournament and clearly you don't want a TDM tournament.
What new players? I haven't seen a rise in player count since the tourney. And why would teams not apply? It's a good chance to win a tournament...
Maybe you haven't but there's no denying over half the teams entered weren't from AV and not only that if a Nebula tourney, AV's most popular game mode didn't cause a player rise then a Walls tourney ain't either.
Are you stupid? Like seriously: 1: we have never had a TDM tourney before 2. Walls is a minority, you don't need to play it to know that, you can just check the player count. 3. Your argument literally had no valid points, I could literally copy and paste your argument and replace walls with TDM/CTH and it would serve the same purpose. Clearly I don't want a walls tournament and clearly you don't want a TDM tournament.
Please read what you write before posting it.
I think hes mixed up and un updated, i think he meant DTM. Calling him stupid is kind of uncalled for, and it wont help make a point :/
That because there is 1 person from the other team who is a veteran and amazing at walls that doesn't mean you've automatically lost.
Ending this now will probably be for the best. I personally think that a Walls tournament is a great idea. Others have their different opinions.
Again. How has a 1v1 at the end got anything to do with walls separately as it's own gamemode lol. I never said you automatically lose if you have someone who knows how to beat the walls type strategies you're thinking of, simply, that it takes those strategies like towering or w/e out of the game and basically makes it a luck based TDM (due to mining and shit).
Are you stupid? Like seriously: 1: we have never had a TDM tourney before 2. Walls is a minority, you don't need to play it to know that, you can just check the player count. 3. Your argument literally had no valid points, I could literally copy and paste your argument and replace walls with TDM/CTH and it would serve the same purpose. Clearly I don't want a walls tournament and clearly you don't want a TDM tournament.
Please read what you write before posting it.
Lol, I still can't see why everyone can't get a tournament. It doesn't have to be right away but at least to know that they are being planned is a good thing. We can have Walls tournaments, we can have TDM tournaments, we can have any tournaments that are in interest, just have to be paitent. But to say Avicus should only focus on one gameode is not going to help the server grow(I'm not just talking about tournaments, but the server itself.) I just don't see why your so against others getting to have some fun in these tournaments for once.
Okay, so my opinion on this whole topic. I personally think
that the next tournament should not be TDM, due to the fact it doesn’t involve
much strategies. You can say “holding choke points” is a strategy but it isn’t
really because depending on the type of TDM it wouldn’t work, since most of the maps would be
1 hit or have protection not allowing players to place blocks. If officials already have
something in the works for the next tournament please for the love of god make
it DTM or CTW, something that actually has a ton of teamwork and planning needed.
I talked to one official that is completely against the idea of a TDM tournament
because it would be extremely unfair to some teams, when you have to play
against PvP based teams like BC and Impact. Even look at this topic, two of the
players that really want a TDM tournament are probably two of the best PvPers
in Minecraft.
Also I’m 100% for the idea of a Walls tournament or mini
event, heck I would even host it myself. Although I don’t think it could work
on the same size of a scale as the Omega Championship simply because most Walls
players don’t have forum accounts or access to TS3. I’ve talked to couple
officials some that are completely for this idea because of how unique it is. I'm not saying this event needs to happen very soon, I just think it should sometime in the near future.
@BmB Just want to
comment on a few of the things you’ve said on this topic.
“Lets face it walls
attracts barely any players, at most 50 people on the server would enjoy a
walls tournament. Oh wait that makes up 4 teams. “
Wouldn’t that be the point of this event to get more players
playing Walls? I’m sure if this was announced a bunch of teams that played in
the Nebula tournament would play in this one. Berzerk and Apollo would most
likely play that’s already 42 players; most other teams would join just for the
chance of playing/winning.
“Your argument
literally had no valid points, I could literally copy and paste your argument
and replace walls with TDM/CTH and it would serve the same purpose. “
Walls is nothing like TDM or CTH, you don’t need to actually
strategize in those gamemodes, it’s something good PvPers are automatically
good at. In Walls you need to work as a team gather enough armour and gear
within the 10 minute prep time. It gives you more chance for teamwork, sharing
with teammates, building traps, creating distractions or just simply a full on
team rush.
“Clearly I don't want
a walls tournament and clearly you don't want a TDM tournament. “
I know that both the above comments were directed towards
Jracer, but I think it applies for anyone on this topic. I personally don’t
care, I just want something different. Something with a twist that isn’t just straight
PvP or objective rushing.
Sorry for my shity grammar and spelling, hopefully some of my points are somewhat understandable.
Walls wouldn't work, only a few people wound play and it wouldn't make a good tournament. Barely anyone plays it. saying that its a hell of alot more than the other gamemodes that usually have 0. Having a wall tournament would mean that you would have to have walls teams, because the scrim teams are clearly too big. If avicus gains a bit more popularity in the future (which they need to do because there dropping), and there is a walls playerbase similar in size to the nebula one, it would be a great idea.
Only DTM and CTW have the gameplay and tactics to make a good tourney at the moment.
A survival games tourney would be better because you wouldnt have to sort out teams, you would register a nice number of people and allocate them times to go.
Okay, so my opinion on this whole topic. I personally think
that the next tournament should not be TDM, due to the fact it doesn’t involve
much strategies. You can say “holding choke points” is a strategy but it isn’t
really because depending on the type of TDM it wouldn’t work, since most of the maps would be
1 hit or have protection not allowing players to place blocks. If officials already have
something in the works for the next tournament please for the love of god make
it DTM or CTW, something that actually has a ton of teamwork and planning needed.
I talked to one official that is completely against the idea of a TDM tournament
because it would be extremely unfair to some teams, when you have to play
against PvP based teams like BC and Impact. Even look at this topic, two of the
players that really want a TDM tournament are probably two of the best PvPers
in Minecraft.
Also I’m 100% for the idea of a Walls tournament or mini
event, heck I would even host it myself. Although I don’t think it could work
on the same size of a scale as the Omega Championship simply because most Walls
players don’t have forum accounts or access to TS3. I’ve talked to couple
officials some that are completely for this idea because of how unique it is. I'm not saying this event needs to happen very soon, I just think it should sometime in the near future.
@BmB Just want to
comment on a few of the things you’ve said on this topic.
“Lets face it walls
attracts barely any players, at most 50 people on the server would enjoy a
walls tournament. Oh wait that makes up 4 teams. “
Wouldn’t that be the point of this event to get more players
playing Walls? I’m sure if this was announced a bunch of teams that played in
the Nebula tournament would play in this one. Berzerk and Apollo would most
likely play that’s already 42 players; most other teams would join just for the
chance of playing/winning.
“Your argument
literally had no valid points, I could literally copy and paste your argument
and replace walls with TDM/CTH and it would serve the same purpose. “
Walls is nothing like TDM or CTH, you don’t need to actually
strategize in those gamemodes, it’s something good PvPers are automatically
good at. In Walls you need to work as a team gather enough armour and gear
within the 10 minute prep time. It gives you more chance for teamwork, sharing
with teammates, building traps, creating distractions or just simply a full on
team rush.
“Clearly I don't want
a walls tournament and clearly you don't want a TDM tournament. “
I know that both the above comments were directed towards
Jracer, but I think it applies for anyone on this topic. I personally don’t
care, I just want something different. Something with a twist that isn’t just straight
PvP or objective rushing.
Sorry for my shity grammar and spelling, hopefully some of my points are somewhat understandable.
You don't seem to understand that TDM is entirely tactical. Yes pvp is a large part but that's a skill in itself. There is far more to TDM than holding down chokepoints. You have to know what players will be playing where, if their is an objective like a hill or a scorebox who does what, who will stand back and bow and when you will organise a team push.
No tournament will include 1 hit maps.
Also to prove a point about me being able to use his argument:
If you don't like the idea, then just stay out of the tournament. You have lots of walls servers that are always available. Why can't we have some fun? Plus, I rarely plays TDM and CTH, and i'm still supporting it as much as any TDM and CTH player would. TDM and CTH is fun, it may not be 'your type of game' but that doesn't mean that we can't have one. And at this point, I'd be a little frustrated if there was a walls tourney. So please, if you don't like the idea, just just stay out of the conversation.
Oh look, it worked. Michah's entire argument just with some words changed. What a suprise.
Walls wouldn't work, only a few people wound play and it wouldn't make a good tournament. Barely anyone plays it. saying that its a hell of alot more than the other gamemodes that usually have 0. Having a wall tournament would mean that you would have to have walls teams, because the scrim teams are clearly too big. If avicus gains a bit more popularity in the future (which they need to do because there dropping), and there is a walls playerbase similar in size to the nebula one, it would be a great idea.
Only DTM and CTW have the gameplay and tactics to make a good tourney at the moment.
A survival games tourney would be better because you wouldnt have to sort out teams, you would register a nice number of people and allocate them times to go.
1. That's the whole point of a tournament is to make gamemodes more popular. 2. Nope, as I said above Walls also has tactics. 3. That idea could never work because it has nothing to do with teams at all. You're missing the point of this topic these tournaments are suppose to be team based, not a huge SG with 100 people...
1. That's the whole point of a tournament is to make gamemodes more popular. 2. Nope, as I said above Walls also has tactics. 3. That idea could never work because it has nothing to do with teams at all. You're missing the point of this topic these tournaments are suppose to be team based, not a huge SG with 100 people...
You don't seem to understand that TDM is entirely tactical. Yes pvp is a large part but that's a skill in itself. There is far more to TDM than holding down chokepoints. You have to know what players will be playing where, if their is an objective like a hill or a scorebox who does what, who will stand back and bow and when you will organise a team push.
No tournament will include 1 hit maps.
Also to prove a point about me being able to use his argument:
If you don't like the idea, then just stay out of the tournament. You have lots of walls servers that are always available. Why can't we have some fun? Plus, I rarely plays TDM and CTH, and i'm still supporting it as much as any TDM and CTH player would. TDM and CTH is fun, it may not be 'your type of game' but that doesn't mean that we can't have one. And at this point, I'd be a little frustrated if there was a walls tourney. So please, if you don't like the idea, just just stay out of the conversation.
Oh look, it worked. Michah's entire argument just with some words changed. What a suprise.
I understand that it is entirely tactical, but there is not a lot of interesting features to it other than PvP. At lest with CTW and DTM you need to have defenders, offense and mid, making it far more tactical. Fairness wise if my team were to play yours the score would be completely one sided as we don't have players that are as highly skilled with PvP.
Lol, I still can't see why everyone can't get a tournament. It doesn't have to be right away but at least to know that they are being planned is a good thing. We can have Walls tournaments, we can have TDM tournaments, we can have any tournaments that are in interest, just have to be paitent. But to say Avicus should only focus on one gameode is not going to help the server grow(I'm not just talking about tournaments, but the server itself.) I just don't see why your so against others getting to have some fun in these tournaments for once.
You actually made sense i congratulate you, to be honest i have realised i'm seriously over reacting here, and as long as a Walls tournament is not the next tournament i don't mind. When AV do host a walls tournament it'll have to be really well planned because the game mode is just not cut out for competetiveness.
I understand that it is entirely tactical, but there is not a lot of interesting features to it other than PvP. At lest with CTW and DTM you need to have defenders, offense and mid, making it far more tactical. Fairness wise if my team were to play yours the score would be completely one sided as we don't have players that are as highly skilled with PvP.
If you don't have defense, mid and offense in aTDM you're screwed, depending on the map albeit. You still have positions in TDM just not something as simple as Defense, Offense and mid. I'm not denying CTW and DTM are more tactical but TDM is still tactical and far more so than walls.
As i said before Pvp is a skill, it's not our fault that you may not be as good in pvp, but because we might be better at pvp than you that is no argument to not hosting a tournament.
Okay, so my opinion on this whole topic. I personally think
that the next tournament should not be TDM, due to the fact it doesn’t involve
much strategies. You can say “holding choke points” is a strategy but it isn’t
really because depending on the type of TDM it wouldn’t work, since most of the maps would be
1 hit or have protection not allowing players to place blocks. If officials already have
something in the works for the next tournament please for the love of god make
it DTM or CTW, something that actually has a ton of teamwork and planning needed.
I talked to one official that is completely against the idea of a TDM tournament
because it would be extremely unfair to some teams, when you have to play
against PvP based teams like BC and Impact. Even look at this topic, two of the
players that really want a TDM tournament are probably two of the best PvPers
in Minecraft.
Also I’m 100% for the idea of a Walls tournament or mini
event, heck I would even host it myself. Although I don’t think it could work
on the same size of a scale as the Omega Championship simply because most Walls
players don’t have forum accounts or access to TS3. I’ve talked to couple
officials some that are completely for this idea because of how unique it is. I'm not saying this event needs to happen very soon, I just think it should sometime in the near future.
@BmB Just want to
comment on a few of the things you’ve said on this topic.
“Lets face it walls
attracts barely any players, at most 50 people on the server would enjoy a
walls tournament. Oh wait that makes up 4 teams. “
Wouldn’t that be the point of this event to get more players
playing Walls? I’m sure if this was announced a bunch of teams that played in
the Nebula tournament would play in this one. Berzerk and Apollo would most
likely play that’s already 42 players; most other teams would join just for the
chance of playing/winning.
“Your argument
literally had no valid points, I could literally copy and paste your argument
and replace walls with TDM/CTH and it would serve the same purpose. “
Walls is nothing like TDM or CTH, you don’t need to actually
strategize in those gamemodes, it’s something good PvPers are automatically
good at. In Walls you need to work as a team gather enough armour and gear
within the 10 minute prep time. It gives you more chance for teamwork, sharing
with teammates, building traps, creating distractions or just simply a full on
team rush.
“Clearly I don't want
a walls tournament and clearly you don't want a TDM tournament. “
I know that both the above comments were directed towards
Jracer, but I think it applies for anyone on this topic. I personally don’t
care, I just want something different. Something with a twist that isn’t just straight
PvP or objective rushing.
Sorry for my shity grammar and spelling, hopefully some of my points are somewhat understandable.
It won't be 1 hit kill, and you can place blocks. The maps we have so far tested very well, so it should be fine. If you can't seem to find strategies in a tdm, it's a gamemode that doesn't suit you, which is perfectly fine. Also, this 'Official' hasn't voiced their concern to us, so we can't do anything if they don't communicate with us. Also the Officials who want a walls a tournament, again haven't communicated with us, so that's there loss. I am not going to force Officials to share there ideas, but to be honest, it's rather dissapointing that they don't share these ideas.
1. It may not be the main point of hosting a tournament but it turns out to be a major factor. Even if its temporary, we can't really see how Nebula was increased by the past event because it was already the gamemode with the most players.
2. It has some, I will agree that all the gamemodes have some tactics.Walls has traps, skybases, full on rushes, attacking mid and making potions. Those are just a few I can think of, but there is several more.
If you don't have defense, mid and offense in aTDM you're screwed, depending on the map albeit. You still have positions in TDM just not something as simple as Defense, Offense and mid. I'm not denying CTW and DTM are more tactical but TDM is still tactical and far more so than walls.
As i said before Pvp is a skill, it's not our fault that you may not be as good in pvp, but because we might be better at pvp than you that is no argument to not hosting a tournament.
1. I realize that people still have positions during a TDM match but its still not as interesting as DTM or CTW when its completely based on PvP.
2. I know just stating the fact that some teams like Bad Company, Impact and even Apollo would dominate a TDM tournament.
1. It may not be the main point of hosting a tournament but it turns out to be a major factor. Even if its temporary, we can't really see how Nebula was increased by the past event because it was already the gamemode with the most players.
2. It has some, I will agree that all the gamemodes have some tactics.Walls has traps, skybases, full on rushes, attacking mid and making potions. Those are just a few I can think of, but there is several more.
1. That could be due to the fact that the tournament didn't exactly put Avicus in a shining light.
2. Maybe so it's just walls is a game mode that happens to be effected largely by map knowledge and luck.
You don't seem to understand that TDM is entirely tactical. Yes pvp is a large part but that's a skill in itself. There is far more to TDM than holding down chokepoints. You have to know what players will be playing where, if their is an objective like a hill or a scorebox who does what, who will stand back and bow and when you will organise a team push.
No tournament will include 1 hit maps.
Also to prove a point about me being able to use his argument:
If you don't like the idea, then just stay out of the tournament. You have lots of walls servers that are always available. Why can't we have some fun? Plus, I rarely plays TDM and CTH, and i'm still supporting it as much as any TDM and CTH player would. TDM and CTH is fun, it may not be 'your type of game' but that doesn't mean that we can't have one. And at this point, I'd be a little frustrated if there was a walls tourney. So please, if you don't like the idea, just just stay out of the conversation.
Oh look, it worked. Michah's entire argument just with some words changed. What a suprise.
Regarding your first paragraph, don't you use at least half of those in walls?
This is literally my first post on the forums! I have very little to say, I joined avicus when it was still called McZone, I had quit avicus for maybe 6-7 months, and only now a few days ago did I finally get back into avicus and minecraft in general and I started playing on walls!
The idea of a walls tournament in the future is a great idea! I understand the next tournament will not be a walls tourney, but the next one should be! It is hard for new players to go into a large gamemode like nebula and do good. Walls is different, pretty much anyone can join the server and play. Even though I just came back to avicus, I already made many friends, and could make a walls team. So to the people who say 'there won't be enough teams' How do you know? Lets try, lets see if teams will join. I respect everyones opinion, so please respect mine!
This is literally my first post on the forums! I have very little to say, I joined avicus when it was still called McZone, I had quit avicus for maybe 6-7 months, and only now a few days ago did I finally get back into avicus and minecraft in general and I started playing on walls!
The idea of a walls tournament in the future is a great idea! I understand the next tournament will not be a walls tourney, but the next one should be! It is hard for new players to go into a large gamemode like nebula and do good. Walls is different, pretty much anyone can join the server and play. Even though I just came back to avicus, I already made many friends, and could make a walls team. So to the people who say 'there won't be enough teams' How do you know? Lets try, lets see if teams will join. I respect everyones opinion, so please respect mine!
-Pat :D
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