Race for victory....?

I don't want to be rude but are the officials going to make an attempt to let Aussies player easier, or is it going to be 1 AM for us again? I don't think it is that hard to cater for Australians but if you can't then I guess that's it. Plus, Cammy's parents wouldn't allow him to play at 1AM lmao

It is very hard to cater to aussies. If you make it later in the day, its terrible for BST. I believe they are going to do two different timezone brackets so lets hope it works for you.

when you need 12 players to sign up for an 8v8 tourney and can have 10 subs 
 

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when you need 12 players to sign up for an 8v8 tourney and can have 10 subs 
 

I don't want to be rude but are the officials going to make an attempt to let Aussies player easier, or is it going to be 1 AM for us again? I don't think it is that hard to cater for Australians but if you can't then I guess that's it. Plus, Cammy's parents wouldn't allow him to play at 1AM lmao

You'd be surprised how many teams have no-showed/almost no-showed even with 18 players registered.

tbh 1am isnt that late...

that sounds like a problem with specific teams rather than a good reason to give 18 maximum team rosters.

Well it's there to compensate for those teams. Nobody is forcing you to fill up all 18 slots.

if you think 18 player team sizes don't have a negative effect on the overall health of gameplay you're delusional

what are those negative effects then

Map Pool Release: June 27th

First round of Matches: July 8th

giving teams a week (and a half) to prepare for maps with (example of preparation can be scrims). What a really smart idea! Will Money be on the line this time too? The issue with this is that there is not enough time for preparation. There is no real life tournament that gives you the detail of what is happening a week before the tournament. An example of this is sports. You have weeks/months of preparation before the playoffs/final tournament matches to fit things such as team chemistry and how the team performs in certain matchups/roles/team lineup. This can relate back to scrims because not only will you get to learn the map, you learn how everyone plays in each role. You give players a week (10 days) to learn a map. To those who are probably going to rebel against what I said, I'm going to assume your first argument will be "IT'S SUMMER BREAK". Yes, it's summer break but you are forgetting about timezones. My Team (or example) has EU players and US players. That gives us about 2-7 hours (depending on scheduling) to look at maps each day. "OH BUT THAT'S ENOUGH TIME", do you know how long it takes to find scrims? The other thing is reliable scrim servers We don't have that sooooooooooooooooooooo

We had this same issue last tournament!

Hope there won't be any last minute changes to maps like last tournament >.>

p.s:

this is constructive feedback on your datings. Please give teams more ample time to prepare (example being 3 weeks) (or even better, release it with the informational post) to learn the maps, team chemistry, and for good practice sessions.

footnote:

this is my opinion on the duration between Map Pool Release date and Tournament Dates. Please remember that this is my opinion and you may have your own :)

"Will Money be on the line this time too? "
No. We have zero guidelines and empty promises. If we should learn anything from the chaos which was last tournament,  is to have strict guidelines with money so that the issues that did arise won't happen again. 

here's something i wrote a few days ago against 14 man rosters, consider avicus is using 18 whilst reading

"It's actually retarded that people wanted 16 rosters on 8v8, I'll get to 14 in a second. That's literally merging two 8 full team squads together. You never need 8 subs, if your entire main roster possibly wont show up, you probably need a new main roster. Also the "we want to sub people in and out for certain maps" is stupid. It's not fun for players to be stuck into a certain role and only be played for that role, and it's also just not healthy for what's being called a "competitive" tournament. I've seen people using the comparison to sports, where players are only played in certain positions because that's what they're best at, but this comparison makes 0 sense. PGM players also have positions, that part is comparable, but the different maps of PGM and gamemodes ruins that comparison. PGM's gamemodes with their massive differences makes it difficult to be at a top tier level in a position in each of them, but this difficulty should be embraced as what makes PGM such a unique and fun competitive game, it shouldn't be worked around by huge roster sizes. The players who should win should be the best players, not the team that has the best frankenstein monster of players who are good at 1-2 things stitched together.

14v14 falls into the same trap, needing 6 subs is a stretch. Let's say 2 subs don't show up, because they're the kind of people who like you said you never know if they'll show up, you now have 4 subs. That can replace half of your main roster, and that's only under the assumption some of your subs didn't show. If you really have the problem that 6 of your players can't say "oh yeah I can make it" and then don't show up, that's not a problem with the roster sizes, that's a problem with your shit ass team who can't organise themselves. Again the subbing people in and out of matches shit comes up, which again, is retarded. Saying a cannoner shouldn't try to turn himself into a well-rounded player incase it effects his cannoning is retarded. No other "competitive" game favours people who fall into such a small sub-role so hard. People shouldn't be allowed to be a one trick pony player and win tournaments with it.

12v12 deals with a lot of these problems atleast to some extent, because the subbing in and out based on maps/gm is probably never going to stop, it's become a part of PGM tournaments. However just because it's become commonplace doesn't mean it isn't unhealthy to the community and the tournaments.

And I sympathise with the argument of wanting to play with friends. Having to ask your friends to leave or kick them is stupid and annoying, but again, since this tournament is calling itself "competitive". It should to an extent, put the competitive health of the tournament before the social circles of its participants"

can't wait to wake up at like 7 so that our british """""""""""""friends"""""""""""""" can play at 3 pm their time AGAIN

I don't want to be rude but are the officials going to make an attempt to let Aussies player easier, or is it going to be 1 AM for us again? I don't think it is that hard to cater for Australians but if you can't then I guess that's it. Plus, Cammy's parents wouldn't allow him to play at 1AM lmao

Isnt it 'Race 'for' Victory II'?

I agree with Seth.

One week really isn't enough for teams to practice because most teams scrim on weekends. The map pool release should be earlier.

Could you really not think of a name that isn't a sequel l<.<

At least it's happening faster this time

Xuph

Meanwhile i still dont have my prize from last tourney

Why would it be

Btw nice another chance to prove avicus' competitive scene is a meme

Meanwhile i still dont have my prize from last tourney

why did you tag me?

Map Pool Release: June 27th

First round of Matches: July 8th

giving teams a week (and a half) to prepare for maps with (example of preparation can be scrims). What a really smart idea! Will Money be on the line this time too? The issue with this is that there is not enough time for preparation. There is no real life tournament that gives you the detail of what is happening a week before the tournament. An example of this is sports. You have weeks/months of preparation before the playoffs/final tournament matches to fit things such as team chemistry and how the team performs in certain matchups/roles/team lineup. This can relate back to scrims because not only will you get to learn the map, you learn how everyone plays in each role. You give players a week (10 days) to learn a map. To those who are probably going to rebel against what I said, I'm going to assume your first argument will be "IT'S SUMMER BREAK". Yes, it's summer break but you are forgetting about timezones. My Team (or example) has EU players and US players. That gives us about 2-7 hours (depending on scheduling) to look at maps each day. "OH BUT THAT'S ENOUGH TIME", do you know how long it takes to find scrims? The other thing is reliable scrim servers We don't have that sooooooooooooooooooooo

We had this same issue last tournament!

Hope there won't be any last minute changes to maps like last tournament >.>

p.s:

this is constructive feedback on your datings. Please give teams more ample time to prepare (example being 3 weeks) (or even better, release it with the informational post) to learn the maps, team chemistry, and for good practice sessions.

footnote:

this is my opinion on the duration between Map Pool Release date and Tournament Dates. Please remember that this is my opinion and you may have your own :)

Map Pool Release: June 27th

First round of Matches: July 8th

giving teams a week (and a half) to prepare for maps with (example of preparation can be scrims). What a really smart idea! Will Money be on the line this time too? The issue with this is that there is not enough time for preparation. There is no real life tournament that gives you the detail of what is happening a week before the tournament. An example of this is sports. You have weeks/months of preparation before the playoffs/final tournament matches to fit things such as team chemistry and how the team performs in certain matchups/roles/team lineup. This can relate back to scrims because not only will you get to learn the map, you learn how everyone plays in each role. You give players a week (10 days) to learn a map. To those who are probably going to rebel against what I said, I'm going to assume your first argument will be "IT'S SUMMER BREAK". Yes, it's summer break but you are forgetting about timezones. My Team (or example) has EU players and US players. That gives us about 2-7 hours (depending on scheduling) to look at maps each day. "OH BUT THAT'S ENOUGH TIME", do you know how long it takes to find scrims? The other thing is reliable scrim servers We don't have that sooooooooooooooooooooo

We had this same issue last tournament!

Hope there won't be any last minute changes to maps like last tournament >.>

p.s:

this is constructive feedback on your datings. Please give teams more ample time to prepare (example being 3 weeks) (or even better, release it with the informational post) to learn the maps, team chemistry, and for good practice sessions.

footnote:

this is my opinion on the duration between Map Pool Release date and Tournament Dates. Please remember that this is my opinion and you may have your own :)

Map Pool Release: June 27th

First round of Matches: July 8th

giving teams a week (and a half) to prepare for maps with (example of preparation can be scrims). What a really smart idea! Will Money be on the line this time too? The issue with this is that there is not enough time for preparation. There is no real life tournament that gives you the detail of what is happening a week before the tournament. An example of this is sports. You have weeks/months of preparation before the playoffs/final tournament matches to fit things such as team chemistry and how the team performs in certain matchups/roles/team lineup. This can relate back to scrims because not only will you get to learn the map, you learn how everyone plays in each role. You give players a week (10 days) to learn a map. To those who are probably going to rebel against what I said, I'm going to assume your first argument will be "IT'S SUMMER BREAK". Yes, it's summer break but you are forgetting about timezones. My Team (or example) has EU players and US players. That gives us about 2-7 hours (depending on scheduling) to look at maps each day. "OH BUT THAT'S ENOUGH TIME", do you know how long it takes to find scrims? The other thing is reliable scrim servers We don't have that sooooooooooooooooooooo

We had this same issue last tournament!

Hope there won't be any last minute changes to maps like last tournament >.>

p.s:

this is constructive feedback on your datings. Please give teams more ample time to prepare (example being 3 weeks) (or even better, release it with the informational post) to learn the maps, team chemistry, and for good practice sessions.

footnote:

this is my opinion on the duration between Map Pool Release date and Tournament Dates. Please remember that this is my opinion and you may have your own :)

The Officials have decided to move some of the dates back two weeks, giving more time to map test and allow teams to practice more.

Here are these new dates:

Tournament Announcement: June 17th

Registration Opens: June 20th

Registration Closes: July 4th

Map Pool Release: June 28th

First round of Matches: July 22nd

The Officials have decided to move some of the dates back two weeks, giving more time to map test and allow teams to practice more.

Here are these new dates:

Tournament Announcement: June 17th

Registration Opens: June 20th

Registration Closes: July 4th

Map Pool Release: June 28th

First round of Matches: July 22nd

Yay now some of our players cant make it :D

you guys dont have a retarded cell in your body :D


:D

wow I didn't know we should plan the tournament around your team1!!!!>!??!?!?!?!?!?!{!

lol its the fact that they changed the date at late notice so now people cant make it

im sure it isnt only our team

and why do you feel the need to comment on my post when you have nothing to with it :D

btw congrats on beating night vision yesterday! :D

Registration has moved back until July 5th at 4pm EDT due to the website being down for a day.

"The map pool will be released soon"


Its been a whole month!