I played an Avicus tournament by Ciaan August 5, 2017 at 9:08 PM UTC

so what exactly is the block glitch here

the fact he placed a boat ABOVE height limit to get in the wool?

So, to summarise..

There's no evidence so you cannot justify a punishment.

We need more tournament staff. Specifically Referees.

but wouldn't that be boat glitching?
and plus isn't that how boats normally work? you place them on blocks? not even a glitch tbh

I don't think the amount of referee's was the main issue here.

the point of the height limit/border is to prevent players from jumping into the woolroom from the enemy spawn

flimbi bypassed the border by using a boat to jump over it, how is that not a glitch? if they allowed that there would be no point in the border being there

sounds like less of a "glitch" and more of a "mapmaker oopsie"

"Server exploits" =/= what you are describing

What would you call it then?

So we should suffer the loss because of a mapmaker's mistake? Seems fair

A strat, based on how you described it. Explain it again please i might be missing something

i mean he did have to get into your spawn to do it it seems
and couldn't a defender have shot him down mid-air?

Getting into the woolroom is by no means as easy as getting to spawn. You can't expect the defender to shoot him mid-air because he glitched.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVLzWqITfMs

Boating within the height limit - Ok thats kind of up for debate
Boating over the height limit - Yeah that isn't, its pretty obvious that isn't allowed

The official and the ref should be fired if they did fuck all. And if you argue the official was bringing it up in official chat, I'll come back and tell you you shouldn't be an official if you don't have the fucking confidence to control a match, but instead only feel confident when you've got several fuck buddies behind you.

You see in an ideal world, Team Rocket should get whatever punishment was set for bug exploits, oh wait, thats not in the fucking rules so I guess we'll put that one next to votes on the to do list.

Maybe if the officials get their act together the match can be replayed, that would seem pretty fair - game wasn't swinging in anyones favour when this happened.

But then I remembered this is Avicus so they'll go ahead and do neither of these...

it didn't have much to do with the game but okay, a different player got into the wool and returned it. No one has any proof of what happened, I didn't see it myself either.

FLIMBI went in front of our spawn to the left a bit. He pillared up to on top of the barriers to the side of spawn which were put there to prevent rushers like FLIMBI to easily jump from our spawn to the woolroom. He used a boat to get above height limit that isnt possible to bridge on and got into the wool. If this isnt a server exploit it's at least a mapmaker error imo

Nah yeah thats just a strat

As I said already, Mati didn't get in and out of the wool. He got a safety that FLIMBI placed. That safety wouldn't had been there had FLIMBI not got in.

As I already said, The safety was in the wool, if mat didn't pick it up he could of just as easy walked in and grabbed a wool.

pro strats

There's a reason map testing is done. I know for a fact that Apollo found a way to get into the wool way too easily on one of the maps and it was fixed. If that was fixed I don't see why this shouldn't have been, unless you decided to keep it on the dl to abuse it in the tourney

Be that as it may I can like 99% guarantee that if you asked Fouled if he intended for that to be possible and ask him the reason for putting the barriers there it'd be a different story. I genuinely don't care too much about the loss at this point, it's more the fact that the officials changed their reasons why they wouldnt do anything like 3 times. Just made it seem like they had something against us (minecraft rivals XDXD)

That's exactly why it is a good strategy. The best strategies are the ones that are so random that even map makers who work hard trying to perfect the map and rival teams, who do everything they can to keep their opponent from winning, cant predict them.

Examples of other such strategies from OCN: the elytra strat on wallop 2 that arguably won KFC for Fussion. Punishers' nearly un-cannonable SSB icarus that brought them into the finals, etc.

Honestly yeah fair point. Although this situation seems kinda more glitchy that the examples you gave there's not much I can argue to that. Like I said, I made this to get other opinions because shockingly enough Apollo weren't the happiest. There's also the point that the officials agreed with Apollo that what I described to you and them was "glitch abusing" or whatever, it's just that they didn't have evidence so yeah

I mean not to sound critical while saying this but I would like to voice my own opinion.  I just don't think name calling on the forums is the best place to do this. I know at that moment no referees were paying attention to his block glitching but you could have instead went to someone and dmed them afterwards with the evidence and told them personally.  I know you personally as an honest person whom I know would not lie about this (and you have evidence you shared anyway) but I personally just disagree with how you handled this.  You could have voiced criticisms of the referees voicing your view that they are not doing their jobs.  Specially calling out individuals to use for your intended purposes of reporting on this broad issue of abusing glitches and non-spectating referees is just not a way I would personally go about handling this.  I agree with some of your points here but it just doesn't seem the right thing to go use your post to go about and name call others.  Just my 2 cents and I remain neutral on this issue as it doesn't concern me.

The audio evidence could be used still.  What I was saying was that it was unnecessary to tell everyone on Avicus about this situation.  He could have made it more private, handed over the audio that could be used to a staff member, etc.  He is bringing massive amounts of attention to the scrimmage issue he discussed.  It could be inciting harassment against the individuals.  That is why /report is used in games.  To make it more private so the person being discussed and the witness are not known.  That is just an example.  He could have gone on discord and said "Hey fouled these people abused glitches in the scrimmage" instead of going on the forums and saying "Hey everyone these people abused glitches and these individual scrimmage refs are lazy too."

Boating within the height limit - Ok thats kind of up for debate
Boating over the height limit - Yeah that isn't, its pretty obvious that isn't allowed

The official and the ref should be fired if they did fuck all. And if you argue the official was bringing it up in official chat, I'll come back and tell you you shouldn't be an official if you don't have the fucking confidence to control a match, but instead only feel confident when you've got several fuck buddies behind you.

You see in an ideal world, Team Rocket should get whatever punishment was set for bug exploits, oh wait, thats not in the fucking rules so I guess we'll put that one next to votes on the to do list.

Maybe if the officials get their act together the match can be replayed, that would seem pretty fair - game wasn't swinging in anyones favour when this happened.

But then I remembered this is Avicus so they'll go ahead and do neither of these...

The audio evidence could be used still.  What I was saying was that it was unnecessary to tell everyone on Avicus about this situation.  He could have made it more private, handed over the audio that could be used to a staff member, etc.  He is bringing massive amounts of attention to the scrimmage issue he discussed.  It could be inciting harassment against the individuals.  That is why /report is used in games.  To make it more private so the person being discussed and the witness are not known.  That is just an example.  He could have gone on discord and said "Hey fouled these people abused glitches in the scrimmage" instead of going on the forums and saying "Hey everyone these people abused glitches and these individual scrimmage refs are lazy too."

Boating within the height limit - Ok thats kind of up for debate
Boating over the height limit - Yeah that isn't, its pretty obvious that isn't allowed

The official and the ref should be fired if they did fuck all. And if you argue the official was bringing it up in official chat, I'll come back and tell you you shouldn't be an official if you don't have the fucking confidence to control a match, but instead only feel confident when you've got several fuck buddies behind you.

You see in an ideal world, Team Rocket should get whatever punishment was set for bug exploits, oh wait, thats not in the fucking rules so I guess we'll put that one next to votes on the to do list.

Maybe if the officials get their act together the match can be replayed, that would seem pretty fair - game wasn't swinging in anyones favour when this happened.

But then I remembered this is Avicus so they'll go ahead and do neither of these...

There were officials / refs in our chat at the time and we were screaming at them for help but they did fuck all and ignored us.

Alright, its blockglitch. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxOxjUGqCR8&feature=youtu.be
Why?
In the video you can clearly see that the player its bypassing the max height limit. The plugin doesnt allow you to put blocks there and even theres a message about that on the chat. Why are you able to put blocks? Its just a bug, but as the rules says, you CANT glitch or use bugs.
If you are wondering, this has NOTHING to do with Dopamines minecart.


The 2nd part of this is that theres no proof or no one that is staff/streamer saw the guy doing it. Alright, even if there was going only 2 matches, ill assume theres not a lot of referees, but even if they didnt saw the guy doing it, i suppose atleast one of them would tp to player that makes the touch and by doing that, they had to see that : 1-The defence was not broken 2- The defender didnt die 3-Theres a fucking pilar on the spawn and probably a boat in the top of the barrier block. And that 3 things combined show clearly that this glitch happened.

I will probably edit this later, and ill add some clips of what the 3 points i put above

Let you know i dont have nothing against TR

Whoops thats not how he explained it at all imo

Apollo explained me on that scrim server what happened, and its what its in the video

Whoops thats not how he explained it at all imo

Just because Ciaan is the one whom posted it does not mean that this thread shouldn't be locked.  This thread is one that obviously is in the wrong place, has a misleading title, is full of making accusations, etc. It is a lockable thread.  This is no different from a thread in the discussion "Avicus Lounge" making a hackusation post.  For someone who was staff for so long he should have known better then to post this on the forums.  He knows to go and discuss his issue personally with a member of the staff. This thread is also causing a lot of unnecessary upheaval and flaming as well. I request a lock on this thread please for the reasons stated.  He might as well have titled this thread ("FLIMBI cheated during the scrimmage and the refs weren't doing anything!" Since that is essentially what he is saying, though he changed the title to something more misleading "I played at an Avicus tournament").  Gee, I wonder why he changed the title to that innocent sounding name "I played at an Avicus Tournament" instead of keeping the good ol" "FLIMBO cheated during the scrimmage and the refs did nothing"?  It's obviously not because he didn't want this thread to be instantly locked.  No way that could be true in any sort of manner. 100% false and implausible.

I saw the title as very vague misleading is not the correct term there.  I just didn't agree with individual name calling with the glitches.  You could have reported individual players through another medium.  Flimbi need not have been mentioned in this, as that is something that should have been reported and not told to everyone here. I see rant posts all of the time and that is olay.  You could have said "This player was exploiting glitches and they did nothing" without explicitly calling out a name.  I agree you are doing a good thing calling out incompetent officials.  It was just that part that should have been edited our in my view.  I disagree with just that portion nothing else.  Just that could unintentionally incite harassment against FLIMBI.  You could do both that private report and the given the community a warning.  One giving out specific names and one giving a warning to the community against the corrupt and incompetent officials in general and general unnamed cases of abuses.

I wasn't playing or even watching the match since I was streaming team Allah vs horizon at that moment but I thought about the exact same strat with boats and I wanted to do that cheeky trick in the tourney too and I asked 2 officials before the tourney started and got confirmed that it's not allowed :( but hey just saying

can any officials confirm or deny this?

Squadcat just got DQ'd from the tournament for the exact same thing. 

Shows the complete incompetence and inconsistency of the official team.

um no they weren't

um yes we were why do you think lft froze me in mid air LUL

Squadcat just got DQ'd from the tournament for the exact same thing. 

Shows the complete incompetence and inconsistency of the official team.