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Is this allowed? by JKawesome December 11, 2014 at 8:12 PM UTC

Lets say you grabbed three sets of diamond armor in Quinus, about to share it with two other friends. You throw the armor to them, and some guy runs over and picks it up.

It's happened to me too many times, with different moderators telling me different things. One said that it isn't stealing, since I technically don't own the armor anymore, but another moderator tempbanned someone for it. Is this allowed or not?

Also, if some guy gets the entire diamond chest, then dies, is it considered team grief?

If it actually is allowed, there should be a rule against it, since it's basically the same thing as mining all the iron from your team and throwing it off. Not only is it increasing the chances of the enemy team winning, but it's generally a dick move.

IviFetita December 11, 2014 at 8:12 PM UTC

In my opinion, it is. But.... it maybe not, because you should work in a team, and there should be the same possibilitiesfor each member of your own team, or he maybe didn't want do it...

Zedther December 11, 2014 at 8:12 PM UTC

If someone runs over the diamond and steals it, it's considered team trolling.

If someone takes everything in a chest, it is team trolling, as well as if he/she died on purpose.

MajestysDream December 11, 2014 at 8:12 PM UTC

I believe it is punishable if someone steals the diamond armor from you. 

If someone were to take all the diamonds from the chest, and (purposely) die, it would be punishable.

JKawesome December 11, 2014 at 8:12 PM UTC

Alright, thanks. Would the stealing only be worth a kick, or would it be worth the time to record and upload it?

mooncat69 December 11, 2014 at 8:12 PM UTC

If I was a staff then kick; if they do it again then temp-ban, I don't believe in no second chance punishment.

MajestysDream December 11, 2014 at 8:12 PM UTC

Alright, thanks. Would the stealing only be worth a kick, or would it be worth the time to record and upload it?
I would kick.

Notalgicular December 11, 2014 at 8:12 PM UTC

Why would it be disallowed? (when someone takes armour that you drop for a friend)
Someone using your teams resources appropriately? The amrour is as much theirs as it is anyone else in the game on your team.

Notalgicular December 11, 2014 at 8:12 PM UTC

I would kick.
For what? Using items that are rightfully his?

JKawesome December 11, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

For what? Using items that are rightfully his?
Not really "rightfully his". They're basically stealing resources; imo it's the same thing as breaking a crafting table and taking the diamonds.

IviFetita December 11, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

For what? Using items that are rightfully his?
But you are giving these items to a friend, not to that person who gave the items. He, in fact, is stealing you. Because is like if you are giving something to your brother, and a person (with bad intentions) takes it and ran away.

Notalgicular December 11, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

Not really "rightfully his". They're basically stealing resources; imo it's the same thing as breaking a crafting table and taking the diamonds.
Stealing resources from his team?
Basically like breaking into your own home.
And crafting table is different as you've already done your bit to secure the items and are now using them for your team.
With you dropping them, you have more than you need in the first place.

Notalgicular December 11, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

But you are giving these items to a friend, not to that person who gave the items. He, in fact, is stealing you. Because is like if you are giving something to your brother, and a person (with bad intentions) takes it and ran away.
No its not. Because with armour, the other person technically has rights to use it too.
A better example would be if you give something your mother bought for you AND your siblings to have and you give it to your brother, then your other brother swoops and takes it.

mooncat69 December 11, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

Well what if they throw it into the void?

Notalgicular December 11, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

Well what if they throw it into the void?
Then thats team grief.

IviFetita December 11, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

No its not. Because with armour, the other person technically has rights to use it too.
A better example would be if you give something your mother bought for you AND your siblings to have and you give it to your brother, then your other brother swoops and takes it.
Anyways, the point is <<How would you feel if you give these diamonds to x-player, and another player take it>> you are giving that to a player who you want to give that item, and someone else takes it. I don't know you, but I'd feel very annoyed by this, and the person who took it had bad intentions.

mooncat69 December 11, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

Team Grief is when you break the teams base.

Notalgicular December 11, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

Team Grief is when you break the teams base.
Actually, team grief is when you cause grief to your team.
Anything that you do with the motive to put your team at a disadvantage is team grief.

TheTNTPotato December 11, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

I personally would kick for the stealing.

"Also, if some guy gets the entire diamond chest, then dies, is it considered team grief?" If they died to an enemy, obviously not. If they grab the contents of the chest, then jump off the map intentionally, it is considered Team Grief.

mooncat69 December 11, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

That's team trolling or team raiding really.

Notalgicular December 11, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

That's team trolling or team raiding really.
Which are both forms of team grief

TheTNTPotato December 11, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

That's team trolling or team raiding really.
Some staff are very specific with it (Team Troll, Team Grief, Team Kill, etc.), while some of us will just generalize it as either Team Grief or Team Kill. Someone walk out of the world with iron/diamond? I call it Team Grief. Block Spawn? Spawn blocking. Kill a team mate? Team Spleef/Kill. It depends on what the moderator thats dealing the punishment(s) classifies it as.

Emmaye December 11, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

That's team trolling or team raiding really.
Wait, you're back?

Notalgicular December 11, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

Wait, you're back?
Yes, he made a thread on it

Stimulating December 11, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

The idea is that the person who would steal the dia isn't supposed to have it in the first place. Taking it from the chest is securing it as much as putting it in a crafting table. You've already done your work to secure it and someone steals it at the only vulnerable point from there (breaking crafting table/taking when you throw it to a friend). It's Team Trolling/Griefing depending on what they do with it. First come first serve, really.

S3M3L December 11, 2014 at 9:12 PM UTC

I don't like Quintus at all just because of the fact that people ALWAYS take more than one set of diamond gear. I understand, you take it "for a friend", but what about the other 10+ players in your team who want to play to? Nah, I stay away from Quintus as much as I can. I do spectate when others play the map and something I always see, especially when it comes to staff, they always keep more than one set in their inventory plus the gear they wear. I will not namedrop anyone, but I do not expect staff members to act like this, and in my opinion it counts as teamgriefing. Quintus is a big no no for me.

Sunaye December 11, 2014 at 10:12 PM UTC

I keep on playing  if someone manages to "steal" my diamond. Don't really do that much since they own it just as much as I do usually just have a little talk occasionally kick.

_Stormz December 11, 2014 at 11:12 PM UTC

I believe that a kick should be administered. This is considered as team trolling.

kycrafft December 11, 2014 at 11:12 PM UTC

Wait, you're back?
is ur body reddy?

SnowSX3 December 12, 2014 at 12:12 AM UTC

To prevent this happening in the future, go to an area that's far away from everyone else.
That way, you know no-one will steal the armour.

JKawesome December 12, 2014 at 3:12 AM UTC

To prevent this happening in the future, go to an area that's far away from everyone else.
That way, you know no-one will steal the armour.
I do that, but sometimes there's these weird people that follow me everywhere.

source_route December 12, 2014 at 4:12 AM UTC

i think its team trolling, so it shouldn't be allowed

Emmaye December 12, 2014 at 12:12 PM UTC

is ur body reddy?
For what? Also if a player picked up armor I was trying to give to a friend, I would ask them to give
it back, and if they didn't give it back I would kick them, anyways those type of people occasionally try to break your crafting table too.

PictureFrames December 12, 2014 at 1:12 PM UTC

I'll completely clear this up, since there are answers being thrown back, and fourth.

If you were to give armor to your friend and another player runs in and steals it; if the act is done by accident it is very common they'll either ask you if you'd like it back, turn around and just give it back anyway, or if you ask them, they'll most often give it back. 

However if the act is done on purpose, which is very clear to tell the difference between whether they tried to steal it or not, yes it is punishable. This is considered team trolling (which is basically the act of degrading, harassing, etc. To your own team mates) and will be punished for the same duration of time as anyone else would be who was trolling their own team.

Hope this helped, and since this topic's been going on for quite a while and you now know the answer, I'm going to go ahead and lock this. Great question!